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Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« on: October 24, 2011, 08:50:08 PM »
sure he debunked 1/3rd of the holocaust http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

but then goes on to throw all his weight behind Jewry's 9/11 fable... he said:
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You have to know when to stop. It's disappointing to me that so many revisionists are 9-11 conspiracy theorists ... The holocaust really is a hoax and the other things you mentioned really are untrue conspiracy theories, including 9-11. I think 9-11 happened just like the media says it did. http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2 ... enier.html

Eric Hunt (who made The Last Days of the Big Lie) also somewhat defends the Jewish story re: 911. Listen to his paltry attempt at a defense of the Jewish MSM's Al Qaeda conspiracy theory on Guiliani's show
Have a listen around the 86:30 mark (not exactly a sterling defense :lol: ):
http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archi ... 04_16k.mp3

Why have denierbud and Hunt thrown all logic and reason out the window when it comes to 9/11? Evidently neither have even studied the subject in any great depth, yet have naively and recklessly swallowed the Zionist pill on the matter.  :think:

Also, I think Kevin MacDonald plays a kosher tune on both the holohoax and 9/11. He criticized Brendon O'Connell for using the phrase "holohoax".
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Further, Mr. O’Connell’s use of the term “Holohoax” is needlessly offensive and is an example of the tendency to overattribute malevolence, resulting in misstatements of fact. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/20 ... -oconnell/



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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2011, 10:03:22 PM »
Well...MSMD... that's the stuff that might get a Prof. fired or prevented from travel to Europe... Bishop Williamson is a current example as is Brendan O'Connell... while some may disagree with them... they are at the end of the day, very brave European men.  

For some, the current WWII and 9/11 stories fit into their point of view...for others they just are not up to speed on the evidence or don't want to appear "non-academic" that leads to an immediate ban in Journals or other circles."

I'm of the opinion, that if a Holohoax "Sims Holocaust" was programmed as Open Source ... it would convince 90% of those under the age of 30 years old.  
Basically, if  a "player" played the Nazi "holohoax" to the 'nth degree... how many people could they "hoax" in 4 years?  Like Nazi Zombies... there could be a "hoaxing" version and a "real version"... I'm sure people would find the "hoaxing" version much easier to play.

As for a 9/11 game, you'll need a good realistic physics engine and some top programmers... but perhaps it could be done as well... with slow-mo frames of the "collapse"... Mossad parked in Vans.  In a decade, it might be done by some bored kids with a good engine.  

I really believe a SIMS Holohoax could swing millions... a 9/11 game could too... like take any angle, any zoom, and "character"... before and during the collapse.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2011, 10:34:54 PM »
And this can't be excused by saying that these guys are just "too focused on the holocaust" to get 9/11. They are going out of their way to make public statements endorsing the Zionist-trumpeted fantasy version of 9/11. Believing 19 Arabs perpetrated 9/11 and that those buildings fell the way they did without explosives, is equivalent to believing 6,000,000 Jews were gassed, steamed, electrified, and made into soap, lampshades, handbags, furniture and fertilizer, during WWII. Both stories defy basic laws of physics and science.

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2011, 11:51:43 PM »
Maybe they watched Ben Chertoff's Popular Mechanics piece, or saw videos by the Bush Supporter/pro-war apologist/RKOwens, and were "swayed"... or watched the Shill Bermas Setup-Shoot down on this Shill Amy Goodman show.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ws/3705191

[youtube:1vwpvhxc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfd3P3S9iIw[/youtube]1vwpvhxc]

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Here's Bollyn's piece on the steering of the press:

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The Hidden Hand Of The CIA, 911 And Popular Mechanics (and Israelis)
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
3-19-5
 

A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.
 
The Reichstag fire, a key event in German history, and the steps that followed en suite leading to the Nazi dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, provide remarkable precedents for what occurred in the United States on 9/11 and since.
 
The fire that consumed the German parliament building on the night of February 27, 1933, is widely believed, according to Encyclopedia Britannica, to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government to turn public opinion against its opponents and allow it to assume emergency powers.
 
The day after the burning of the Reichstag, the government headed by Adolf Hitler enacted a decree for the Protection of the People and the State. Hitlers emergency decree dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.
 
Likewise, a month after 9/11 the U.S. Congress passed, without even reading, similar emergency legislation: the Bush administrations USA PATRIOT Act of 2001. The pre-prepared massive security act's long title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism."
 
Within a month of the Reichstag fire, on March 23, 1933, the parliament passed the Enabling Act, whereby its legislative powers were transferred to Hitler's Reich Cabinet. This act, passed by a vote of 444 to 94, legally sanctioned the Nazi dictatorship,
 
Another parallel is seen in the way George W. Bush and Hitler came to power. Bush obtained the presidency in 2001 through a Supreme Court decision after a flawed and un-counted election, while Hitler secured the German chancellorship through elections in November 1932 in which the Nazi Party failed to win an outright majority.
 
Hitlers propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is thought to have let arsonists into the parliament building through a tunnel leading from the official residence of Hermann Gvring, Reichstag president and Hitler's chief minister.
 
Gvring then presided over the official investigation, which blamed the communists. In a similar manner, the Bush administration openly opposed an independent investigation of 9/11 and fixed blame on Osama Bin Laden and 19 Arab terrorists. Based on this official, but unproven, explanation for 9/11 the United States has invaded and occupied two Middle Eastern nations.
 
"DISINFORMATION AND DECEPTION"
 
"Ninety-five percent of the work of intelligence agencies around the world is disinformation and deception," Andreas von B|low, former parliamentary official responsible for the budget for Germany's intelligence agencies, told American Free Press in December 2001.
 
Like Nazi Germany of 1933, American newsstands today carry a mainstream magazine dedicated to pushing the government's truth of 9/11 while viciously smearing independent researchers as extremists who peddle fantasies and make poisonous claims.
 
The magazine pushing the government's 9/11 propaganda, Popular Mechanics (PM), is published by the Hearst family. Its March cover story, Debunking 9/11 Lies, has been exposed by credible researchers to contain numerous distortions and flawed conclusions. American Free Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior researcher who authored the 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The PM article illustrates how a propaganda method, used by dictatorships, is now being employed by the U.S. government: controlling mainstream media outlets to promote its version of 9/11.
 
The actions of Michael Chertoff concerning the events of 9/11, the non-investigation that followed, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the propaganda being disseminated in PM, are strikingly similar to actions attributed to the Nazi ministers Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Gvring.
 
While Chertoff is the czar of DHS, he is not sovereign at PM or Hearst Magazines, its corporate parent. The president of Hearst Magazines, one of the world's largest publishers of monthly magazines with 18 U.S. titles and more than 100 international editions, is Cathleen P. Black, a 60-year old native of Chicago. Black oversees the publication of 175 titles around the world including Cosmopolitan, Harpers Bazaar, Town & Country, Esquire, Good Housekeeping, and Popular Mechanics.
 
Black is a former president and publisher of USA Today. In 1983, Black was made president of the new newspaper published by Gannett. The following year she was made publisher and soon became a member of Gannetts board of directors.
 
Despite her efforts, her biography reads, USA Today did not show an operating profit in the eight years that Black was there. The newspaper's non-profitability notwithstanding, Gannett paid Black $600,000 a year for her efforts. USA Today reportedly had a circulation of 1.8 million when Black left in 1991. USA Today is often given away free of charge.
 
Black left USA Today to become president and chief executive of the nascent Newspaper Association of America (NAA), formed on June 1, 1992. She then became the leading spokesperson and lobbyist for the nation's newspaper industry. Black's position at the NAA carried "considerable political heft," Paul Farhi of The Washington Post wrote, "given that the 1,400 members of her organization control the nations editorial pages.
 
In 1995, for an annual salary reported to be "in excess of $1 million," Black was hired by Hearst Corp. to head its magazine division. Named by Fortune magazine as one of the Most Powerful Women in American Business, Black sits on the boards of Hearst Corp., the Advertising Council, IBM, and Coca-Cola. She is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
 
It is often said that USA Today is controlled by the CIA, which, like the paper, is based in McLean, Virginia. The little-known fact that Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, an obscure lawyer who became a White House Fellow in 1977 and served as special assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), provides substance to these rumors. Black's corporate biography does not mention her husband.
 
President Jimmy Carter made Harvey a White House Fellow in May 1977. "In that capacity," Harvey's biography reads, he "served as special assistant to the Director of the C.I.A. Following that he held senior appointed positions within the Department of Defense."
 
The DCI at the time was Stansfield Turner, who had replaced George H.W. Bush.
 
Prior to serving the CIA, Harvey worked at the New York law office of Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The international law firm, co-founded by Morris Hadley, a 1916 member of Yale University's secret society Skull & Bones, has ties to the CIA and lists William H. Webster, DCI from 1987-1991, as a senior partner. Webster also serves on the Homeland Security Advisory Council.
 
In the 1980s, Harvey served as General Counsel and Congressional Liaison of the U.S. Information Agency, the former external propaganda arm of the U.S. government. Harvey also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Army and Navy. In 1992, Harvey was personnel director for the Bush-Quayle 92 Campaign.
 
Calls to the offices of Black and Harvey for the purpose of this article went unanswered.
 
THE COUP AT POPULAR MECHANICS
 
In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazines former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a deputy, Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PMs 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.
 
A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. Three or four people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.
 
PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May 2003. Since the purge last September, however, PM readers have noticed that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter to the editor in the current issue says, I think you guys are just another tool in the governments propaganda machine.
 
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http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 12:05:35 AM »
Cathie Black, the Governess of Hearst Corporation, and "Queen" of the Dumbed Down "USA Today". Looks like she is tight with JewYork's Mayor Bloomberg... figures she was on board for the wars... as she's a CFR member. Not sure, but it looks like she might have married a Jew. A total Jew hungry, Prop-Rag artist for the dollar with Oprah magazine.

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Business career

Black began her career at Holiday Magazine, went on to work at New York Magazine, City magazine, Ms. Magazine and eventually return to New York Magazine as publisher, the first woman publisher of a weekly consumer magazine.[9]

She later worked for USA Today starting in 1983, the year after it was launched.[8] She served as both president and publisher of USA Today, spending eight years at the newspaper. Black was also a board member and executive vice president/marketing of Gannett, its parent company. [10]

As President and CEO of the Newspaper Association of America from 1991 to 1996,[11] Black, along with newspaper industry leaders on the NAA Board, conceived of the idea of a national newspaper network to stimulate demand from major national advertisers. Black oversaw Newspaper National Network’s founding, raised funding, and hired the first management team.[12]

Black became president of Hearst Magazines in 1996.[8] She was president of Hearst Magazines until 2010, when she became chairman.[13] During her tenure at Hearst Magazines, the company expanded to publish 200 editions around the globe, launched O, The Oprah Magazine and Food Network Magazine, formed COMAG MARKETING GROUP (CMG) with Condé Nast and acquired the assets of Gruner+Jahr U.K., Seventeen, Veranda magazine and iCrossing, a digital marketing agency. [14]

She has been a member of the board of directors of IBM and The Coca-Cola Company, Hearst Corporation, Advertising Council, United Way of America and Gannett Co. Inc. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations [15]

She is also on the National Leadership Board of Harlem Village Academies and a Trustee of the University of Notre Dame. [16]

In Black's nearly 20 years on the Coke board and on "a company committee that focused on policy issues including obesity and selling soda to children," Bloomberg and others opposed the company and other manufacturers' sales efforts in schools. Black resigned her position on the Coke board after the NYC nomination, citing potential conflicts of interest. She was paid over $2 million in cash and stock over her tenure on the board, and still owns over $3 million worth of company stock. The mayor reiterated both the school policy against soda sales and his support for Black when the subject was raised after the nomination. Donald McHenry, "a longtime Coke board member and a professor at Georgetown University who sat on the committee" with Black, confirmed that the issue had faced the board continuously but did not address Black's position or individual role in the internal company debates, decisions and actions.[17]
[edit] Schools chancellor

As chancellor, Black was head of the New York City Department of Education, the largest public school system in the United States, which serves more than 1.1 million students in more than 1,600 schools. She resigned, after much controversy, on April 7, 2011.

Controversy


Having neither three years of teaching experience nor a master's degree nor a professional degree in educational management, Black required a waiver from the New York State Education Department under Education Commissioner David M. Steiner.[6] The waiver was granted by Steiner, with Black's shortfall in formal qualifications "offset by the appointment of a chief academic officer to serve by her side [as well as her] 'exceptional record of successfully leading complex organizations and achievement of excellence in her endeavors.'" Black appointed Shael Polakow-Suransky to the academic-officer role, and assumed her post January 1, 2011.[18] Steiner announced his own resignation the very same afternoon, but did not disclose any reason. Before her appointment was approved, Bloomberg's office announced supporters of his choice included former Mayors Rudy Giuliani and Ed Koch, State Senator Malcolm Smith, City Council Majority Leader Joel Rivera. Oprah Winfrey has also publicly supported Black as the chancellor.[19]

After taking office, Black upset parents on January 14, 2011, when responding to a question from a parent about overcrowded classrooms in New York City by jokingly suggesting that the solution to future overcrowding may be birth control.[20] Black also said at the same meeting that making decisions about satisfying classroom space concerns is like making "many Sophie's Choices" – a reference to a novel in which a mother is forced to choose which of her children is killed at Auschwitz concentration camp.[20] A spokesman for the Department of Education later said Black cares about overcrowding, and "regrets if she left a different impression by making an off-handed joke in the course of that conversation."[20]

As Schools Chancellor, Black presided over meetings on February 1 and February 3, 2011, to close 22 schools that the City classified as failing. Towards the end of the meeting on February 1, Black spoke to the crowd of parents. At that meeting Black told the crowd "I can't speak if you're shouting," and after the crowd continued to boo Black, she responded by imitating the crowd's jeers in a "mocking" fashion.[21][22][23] As a result, at the following meeting on February 3, Black was booed by parents and criticized by members of the New York City Council.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathie_Black
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2011, 11:56:47 AM »
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Maybe they watched Ben Chertoff's Popular Mechanics piece, or saw videos by the Bush Supporter/pro-war apologist/RKOwens, and were "swayed"... or watched the Shill Bermas Setup-Shoot down on this Shill Amy Goodman show.

If they're dumb enough to buy the crackpot arguments of Popular Mechanics about 911 then they would also be dumb enough to buy the crackpot arguments of holocaustianity, which they haven't. It literally makes zero sense that they'd accept paltry anti-scientific arguments when it comes to 9/11 but not the holocaust.

Eric Hunt and Denierbud are close associates, perhaps denierbud advised him to stay kosher on the 9/11 topic (I sense denierbud is the one leading this anti-9/11 Truth within revisionist circles).

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2011, 10:46:11 PM »
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Maybe they watched Ben Chertoff's Popular Mechanics piece, or saw videos by the Bush Supporter/pro-war apologist/RKOwens, and were "swayed"... or watched the Shill Bermas Setup-Shoot down on this Shill Amy Goodman show.

If they're dumb enough to buy the crackpot arguments of Popular Mechanics about 911 then they would also be dumb enough to buy the crackpot arguments of holocaustianity, which they haven't. It literally makes zero sense that they'd accept paltry anti-scientific arguments when it comes to 9/11 but not the holocaust.

Eric Hunt and Denierbud are close associates, perhaps denierbud advised him to stay kosher on the 9/11 topic (I sense denierbud is the one leading this anti-9/11 Truth within revisionist circles).

Maybe they  had relatives in Iraq-Afghanistan.  Or they just saw 9/11, from the RKOwens point of view -- there isn't enough conclusive evidence.  I don't know.  Believe it or not, the "Official Theory" is the greatest obstacle to 'waking people up' to the crimes of 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks.  If these guys are not clued in, then they must be holding out due to conventional "evidence", "Physics" or some other reason.  

Combining the Anthrax attacks, with 9/11, and Israel-Aghanistan-Iraq wars does throw a few wrenches into any "simple" reasoning on how the "Arabs" did it.

[youtube:t8d7n0dq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q20NmYGE-T4[/youtube]t8d7n0dq]
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 12:22:07 AM »
Myself or denierbud do not "go out of our way" to support the official version of 9/11.

I won't speak for him, he's probably more sure of it not being a conspiracy than I am. I barely speak or write about it.

The bottom line is that I am not sold on the conspiracy theorist line -

- there is no coherent theory (possibly deliberately),
- the "movement" is led by the Loose Change Zionist Jews and Zionist Alex Jones, whose wife and kids are Jews
- They whined how Bush did 9/11, now 10 years later we have even worse problems from the puppet in chief, they have no explanation for that.
- There would be 9/11 conspiracy theories even if Arabs did it exactly as planned (and I believe they did)
- On a personal note - people thought I was part of a conspiracy, an "actor" or some nonsense when I was arrested and put on trial for a year and a half in the Wiesel case. Check out old Stormfront posts! It's hard for people on the Internet to understand that if you're determined, you can do anything (I'm against violence and didn't commit violence by grabbing Wiesel by the sleeve and asking for an interview).
- There are faked videos of the Building 7 collapse. I caught one that reversed the front, added cgi explosions and a zoom effect. Why are "truthseekers" forging phony evidence? Seems like something liars do.
- The Pentagon and World Trade Centers were prime targets for the Arabs against the military and banking centers of the Zionist New World Order. Dr. Pierce even wrote about a white suicide bomber flying into the Pentagon?
- 9/11 "researchers" are pathetic fools compared to brilliant Holocaust revisionists such as Mattogno, Graf, Kues, etc.
- You can spend a lifetime finding more lies, more clues, an avalanche of evidence of innocence regarding the Germans. We come up with new facts all the time regarding the Holohoax, 9/11 "truthers" keeps repeating the same tired untruths. Or adding more outlandish theories.
- It all comes down to "reasonable doubt" Evidence connecting Bush/ Israel / CIA to 9/11 is currently circumstantial and a jury would acquit. Just as if Revisionists presented a defense for the Germans against "Holocaust" atrocity lies.

That being said, I support all independent / government investigations into 9/11, Israeli involvement/foreknowledge, and Larry Silverstein.

Regarding "controlled demolition" - here's what I will say.

I'm from New Jersey. I used to see the Twin Towers all the time, and walked past them. I was in NYC on a day when General Norman Schwarzkopf was the head of a victory parade after the first Gulf War. I either walked past the Towers that day or was directly under them as the parade went through. I saw them first hand, but it's undeniable that the construction of the towers was nowhere near as sturdy as, for instance, the more heavily concreted Empire State building (I have been inside and stood on top of the observation deck).

Simply looking at the buildings, which would you guess would topple over?

I quickly googled a good site to explain the difference between the Empire State Building and the WTC http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html

No steel had to melt, or be "thermited" - it only had to be weakened by the heat - the incredible weight of the floors above caused the pancaking. There are good videos of the buckling directly before the pancaking collapse.

Denierbud is not a shill, he is not dumb, like me he has a position on 9/11 that is very defensible.

The 9/11 conspiracy theorists have not only not convinced us, but probably have done more to make us believe the other side. Remote controlled planes? Holograms? VOICE MIMICKING TECHNOLOGY used to call loved ones? Outlandish nonsense. I also went to college near the Stewart Air Force base they talk about as well... :roll:

The Pentagon stuff in particular is pretty sad on the 9/11 conspiracy theorists part. They repeatedly claim there were "no parts from the plane", even though you can obviously see pieces of the American Airlines fuselage on the lawn.

I definitely have questions about 9/11.

One major thing we forgot very quickly (and minimize) is how on the day of and shortly after, we thought the date 9/11 was odd, that it was the same as the emergency number 911. That seems like something an Orwellian intelligence agency would do. 911 always conjures up images of the towers. Emergency. Would "Remember 9/17" have  been as catchy?

The World Trade Center towers Lucky Larry bought were as I said, not constructed as well as the Empire State Building and I believe had millions of dollars of asbestos to be removed.

There was definitely motive by the Jews to commit a false flag act - it has led to the toppling (now) of practically every regime in the middle east except for Jew sycophants such as Saudi Arabia.
(Project for a New American Century)

Building 7 - From the front it does look like a controlled demolition, but the smoke spewing out the back massively damaged by the WTC obscures what was likely the structural damage that led to the collapse.

So I'm definitely open to be persuaded in the future if new evidence is uncovered. This probably won't happen - 9/11 "truthers" are poor researchers.

Pathetic 9/11 conspiracy theories are constantly mentioned when Holocaust revisionists present meticulously researched evidence about the Holocaust hoax. That's mostly my problem with it.

I wish 9/11 truthers luck in finding the truth.

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 01:26:05 AM »
Thanks for showing up Eric. Jews lied about the holocast and they lied about 9/11. We can and have proved that over and over, all other questions and theories not withstanding. End of story.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 01:40:33 AM »
If 9/11 isn't as obvious as a cockroach on wedding cake then just stick to your holoresearch because you've done good work there. No need to get involved in a needless food fight.

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 04:06:58 AM »
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- there is no coherent theory (possibly deliberately),
Are you suggesting that you will believe the official story until every single facet of 911 is known? What is the definition of "coherent" we are going by?  
How's this? Some buildings were demolished on live TV and thousands of people died.
Never before had any steel frame high rise fallen due to fire. On 911, three of them fell into their own footprint. >> If this REALLY happened the way the government said it happened, they would OBEY THE LAW and investigate the collapse of the towers. They would test for incendiary devices, just as the editor-in chief Bill Manning of fire engineering magazine was begging them to. Instead, the metal was shipped off by israeli companies.

We are told that 4 planes crashed on 911. If the official story were true, the ATSB would gather all the pieces of the wreckage and compare the serial numbers to the numbers on the parts manifest of the planes thought to be lost. The black boxes would also be recovered and their serial numbers checked.  This was also NOT DONE on 911.

We know that 5 israelis were arrested on 911 after they were seen celebrating. The released FBI file shows that at least one of them was at the scene of where they were seen video taping the event: a New Jersey parking lot with a perfect view of the towers. This indicates prior knowledge. So the US had israelis with prior knowledge in custody on 911 and LET THEM GO. Why? Because the US is run by Jews.

Before 911, there were two neocon documents, Clean Break and PNAC, that spell out a plan to destroy all of the Arab enemies of israshithole. PNAC says that it will be necessary to have a new pearl harbor event. 911 killed roughly the same amount of people as pearl harbor.  Then US started bombing all of the enemies of isravomit.

Larry Silverstein bought the WTC 6 weeks before 911. The NJ Port Authority had twice asked for a permit to demolish the twin towers, but they were refused because of the asbestos in the buildings. It would have cost billions to remove the asbestos. Silverstein, personal friend of israeli prime ministers, bought two white elephant buildings, and then 6 weeks later profited $4.5 billion dollars.

How's this for a coherent theory: israel did it. they got caught. israel runs the us government and the media and the banking system, so the media won't talk about it and the government won't pursue the evildoers.
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- the "movement" is led by the Loose Change Zionist Jews and Zionist Alex Jones, whose wife and kids are Jews
Alex Jewns is disinfo. Example: "The arabs own hollywood."  Because a disinfo agent has placed himself at the front of the 911 movement, that makes the movement not credible? That is the purpose of disinfo agents.
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- They whined how Bush did 9/11, now 10 years later we have even worse problems from the puppet in chief, they have no explanation for that.
israel did 911. 10 years later, israel is still in charge of this country, and they still did 911.  
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- There would be 9/11 conspiracy theories even if Arabs did it exactly as planned (and I believe they did)
This argument doesn't even make any sense. If arabs did 911, there would still be conspiracy theories, therefore since there are conspiracy theories, the arabs did it? This argument is just a bunch of fallacies soldered together.
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- On a personal note - people thought I was part of a conspiracy, an "actor" or some nonsense when I was arrested and put on trial for a year and a half in the Wiesel case. Check out old Stormfront posts! It's hard for people on the Internet to understand that if you're determined, you can do anything (I'm against violence and didn't commit violence by grabbing Wiesel by the sleeve and asking for an interview).
I appreciate that you are against violence, and I think your video was awesome. Wiesel is a weasel. But otherwise, this argument is irrelevant.
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- There are faked videos of the Building 7 collapse. I caught one that reversed the front, added cgi explosions and a zoom effect. Why are "truthseekers" forging phony evidence? Seems like something liars do.
The Fake WTC7 video was probably made by an intelligence agency with the purpose of making people assert exactly what you are asserting. There is so much evidence that the official story is a lie, there is no need to fake any.
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- The Pentagon and World Trade Centers were prime targets for the Arabs against the military and banking centers of the Zionist New World Order. Dr. Pierce even wrote about a white suicide bomber flying into the Pentagon?
If the "arab hijackers" hated the pentagon so much, why did they go through so much trouble to avoid doing any real damage? Why circle the building and hit the only reinforced side? Why not crash into the top? That would have been a lot easier.
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- 9/11 "researchers" are pathetic fools compared to brilliant Holocaust revisionists such as Mattogno, Graf, Kues, etc.
- You can spend a lifetime finding more lies, more clues, an avalanche of evidence of innocence regarding the Germans. We come up with new facts all the time regarding the Holohoax, 9/11 "truthers" keeps repeating the same tired untruths. Or adding more outlandish theories.
It's not really fair to lump all 911 researchers together. There are a lot more 911 researchers because the whole thing happened in the digital age. the hoax happened when everything was recorded on paper. all the hoax info was stored in libraries, so the researchers had to READ. most 911 researchers watch videos and cut and paste.

Also, there has been a lot of disinfo on 911 to throw people off the scent. There is also hoax disinfo, but it is a lot harder to fake hoax disinfo. 911 info is all digital.

Also, this is a fallacious argument: "the researchers are dumber so therefore the official story is real?"
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- It all comes down to "reasonable doubt" Evidence connecting Bush/ Israel / CIA to 9/11 is currently circumstantial and a jury would acquit. Just as if Revisionists presented a defense for the Germans against "Holocaust" atrocity lies.
Even in a criminal trial, if there is enough circumstantial evidence you have to convict. At a certain point, circumstantial evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt. The alternative is coincidence, and the probability of coincidence is off the charts.

Tons of evidence links israel to 9/11:
 "dea report atta 1/2 mile to israeli spies";
"cousin of hijacker was israeli spy in lebanon";
"mossad caught with explosives in mexican congress";
"odigo im before 9/11";
"atta on board abramoff casino";
"200 israeli spies arrested before 911";
"larry silverstein buys wtc 6 weeks before 911";
"five dancing israelis arrested 911";
"amdocs comvers infosys israeli spying";
"israeli zim shipping moves out of WTC 1 week before 9/11"

That's all coincidence? And israel has already been caught TWICE before doing the SAME THING: the Lavon affair and the USS Liberty.

It boggles my mind that some people can't get their head around this obvious fact.
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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 04:19:57 AM »
Glad you showed up to explain your position Eric, although I disagree with you.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
Myself or denierbud do not "go out of our way" to support the official version of 9/11.

Well, denierbud has given an interview published on the net affirming his blind belief in the official version as well as disparaging anyone who doesn't buy the ZOG script as a "conspiracy theorist". within some of his vids/articles he has in passing lent his support to the official *Jew-produced* version. I think that's "going out of his way" to give credence to the official version of events.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
I won't speak for him, he's probably more sure of it not being a conspiracy than I am. I barely speak or write about it.

he's sure it's not a conspiracy? Whether you believe 19 A-rabs with boxcutters outfoxed the world's most sophisticated national security apparatus on earth or believe in an alternative theory, it's a conspiracy either way, since a conspiracy is simply two or more people getting together to commit a crime. His conspiracy theory is a lot more outlandish than anything else because it holds the laws of physics in contempt. Skyscrapers don't crumble to dust in seconds without explosive assistance, and crappy pilots cannot hit 75% of their targets in one go without a single interception.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
The bottom line is that I am not sold on the conspiracy theorist line -

But you're sold on the Jewish-penned Al Qaeda Conspiracy Theorist line? Have you read my piece? http://zioncrimefactory.com/israel-did-911/

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- there is no coherent theory (possibly deliberately),

What do you expect when the ZOG US government blocked any and all investigations into the matter? Jew-puppet Bush held out 411 days before finally cobbling together a rigged "commission" and placed the Jew Henry Kissinger in charge of it. He had to step down so Bush placed another Jew Philip Zelikow in charge of it. They were heavily underfunded only given $14 million as opposed to the $67 million devoted to investigating Clinton's blowjob or $30 million for the space shuttle disaster. Several of the 9/11 commission members, including its chairman, themselves have publicly disavowed their own report saying they weren't provided adequate funds or time, and that crucial evidence was ignored/withheld (anthing that didn't fit the "19 A-rabs" script), with the Jew Zelikow choosing what went in the report and what didn't. This is the "theory" you put your trust in?

Zionist Zelikow is a self-styled expert in "public myths" or "public presumptions". How Orwellian? http://www.rense.com/general78/rapestory.htm

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- the "movement" is led by the Loose Change Zionist Jews and Zionist Alex Jones, whose wife and kids are Jews

All you're proving is that the Jews got their operatives in there quickly to lead people away from the true perpetrators of the crime. There's no doubt that the Jews have co-opted the 9/11 skeptics movement from the beginning, and you have to wonder why, what would be the point if 9/11 was done by Arabs as you say?

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- They whined how Bush did 9/11, now 10 years later we have even worse problems from the puppet in chief, they have no explanation for that.

Well right, they blamed Bush because he's the Gentile face for the Jewish Neocon regime in Washington. Jews always put the blame on their puppets when a major crime goes down. When there is a gentile-jewish collaboration on something and things go south it is usually the gentile that gets left holding the bag, and the jew gets off scot free.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- There would be 9/11 conspiracy theories even if Arabs did it exactly as planned (and I believe they did)

And if Israel did it exactly as planned there would be theories saying Arabs did it (and you've naively bought it). Like they tried to do on many occasion before such as the Lavon Affair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair, USS Liberty attack http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... berty.html, and Operation Trojan http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... ption.html among other false-flags.

This came out of a US military study published in the Washington Times the day before 9/11:
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Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."

surprise, surprise the Jew-run media was airing and re-airing a dubious clip of "celebrating Palestinians" on 9/11
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E[/youtube]1438fcgw]

while in reality five Israelis were dancing, celebrating and videotaping the event from a Rooftop in New Jersey, they turn out to be Mossad agents sent to "document the event". I'm sure you've heard of this story before
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw[/youtube]1438fcgw]

Two other Israelis are arrested trying to blow up the George Washington Bridge with a van bomb
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4[/youtube]1438fcgw]

and just prior to the incident two mysterious phone calls were put into the NYPD telling them they saw "Palestinians" mixing a bomb in a van headed towards the holland tunnel. You can hear the actual recording of those calls @ the 8:00 mark of this vid: http://www.viddler.com/explore/stenchofzion/videos/29/

Also on 9/11 two "ethnic middle-easterners" (israelis) were arrested after cops saw their van parked between 6th and 7th on King Street (near the towers) that literally had a painting of a plane crashing into the WTC and exploding:


Here's a recording of NYPD officers describing the truck with the picture of the 911 attacks on it on 9/11:
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huf2Kz7bV2k[/youtube]1438fcgw]


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- There are faked videos of the Building 7 collapse. I caught one that reversed the front, added cgi explosions and a zoom effect. Why are "truthseekers" forging phony evidence? Seems like something liars do.

I haven't seen that, but that's also something that cointelpro would do who are looking to discredit legit evidence. Building 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds, symmetrically into its own footprint. It was obviously demolished. No further discussion is required.

On the other hand, here's some of the phony/faked evidence that the US gov't used to bolster their 19 A-rabs conspiracy theory (besides the fact that NORAD lied under oath as did the FAA, who destroyed evidence)

A "passport" of one of the fake hijackers magically survived the fireball inferno UNSCATHED (and some guy just happened to pick it up off the ground? yeah, ok)


Another passport and a "hijacker letter" survived the flight 93 crash when there is NO PLANE DEBRIS visible in the crater


This is why we were told there was no plane debris in that chintsey 20 foot crater (which satellite images from 1994 show was already there):
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“United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers.” (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/01)

So a plane made of aluminum, steel and twin titanium jet engines is completely destroyed, but a piece of paper (hijacker letter), a passport of a hijacker, and the red bandanas they supposedly wore (unburned!!) all manage to survive the crash to be used as "evidence" to affirm the government's 19 A-rab hijackers conspiracy theory! LOL

Please, please tell me you don't buy that crap.  :crazy:

We are also told that Mohammad Atta packed a suitcase full of plethora of incriminating evidence including a flight data recorder, a Boeing 757 training video, a koran, his last will and testament (with the names of all the hijackers!), etc, and this bag miraculously doesn't make the flight and falls into the hands of the FBI! This is what supposedly "made the case" for the government's Al Qaeda narrative is this luggage.

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   “A former FBI agent and a former federal prosecutor who helped direct the New England investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks told Newsday that one bag found in Boston contained far more than what the commission report cited, including the names of the hijackers, their assignments and their al-Qaida connections.

    “It had all these Arab-language papers that amounted to the Rosetta stone of the investigation,” former FBI agent Warren Flagg said. The former federal prosecutor, who declined to be identified publicly, supported Flagg’s account.

    Hijacker IDs
    “How do you think the government was able to identify all 19 hijackers almost immediately after the attacks?” Flagg asked. “They were identified through those papers in the luggage. And that’s how it was known so soon that al-Qaida was behind the hijackings.”
http://web.archive.org/web/200705070544 ... bigpix2005

Why pack a suitcase and fill it with all this crap on a suicide mission when it's just going to get blown up anyway? And why carry passports on domestic flights when they aren't needed? Give me a break. :roll: This is the standard narrative of a Mossad false-flag operation.

And why did the government immediately haul all of the WTC debris out of there and sell it to Asian smelters to be melted down before any investigation into the collapses could be conducted? http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- The Pentagon and World Trade Centers were prime targets for the Arabs against the military and banking centers of the Zionist New World Order. Dr. Pierce even wrote about a white suicide bomber flying into the Pentagon?

Even if Arabs wanted to hit those targets they could never do it. We're talking $350 billion worth of US military/defense manpower including 20 intelligence agencies, NORAD, etc, and 19 guys manage to pull this off without interference? Absurd.

What do you think about the fact that Isser Harel, the founder of Mossad, "predicted" the 9/11 attacks back in 1979?

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At dinner Michael Evans asked Harel about terrorism and if it would come to America. Harel told Evans: “In Islamic theology, the phallic symbol is very important. Your biggest phallic symbol is New York City and your tallest building will be the phallic symbol they will hit.” http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christi ... phecy.aspx

1979 was the same year of the first conference of the Israeli-sponsored "Jonathan Institute" named after Benjamin Netanyahu's late brother who was killed in the Entebbe Raid in Uganda. The institute endeavored to promote a "clash of civilizations" between the West and the Islamic world, for Israel's benefit. Netanyahu wrote a book in 1986 called "Terrorism How The West Can Win" which he basically laid out the plan for an "intentional war on terrorism"  (the West vs Israel's Islamic enemies), using all of the vocabulary and verbiage that didn't enter our lexicon until 9/11 happened.


On 9/11 Ariel Sharon called for an "international war on terrorism"
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJT5ON9jfXs[/youtube]1438fcgw]

Within an hour of the collapse of the towers, before the dust even settled, Ehud Barak the Israeli defense minister is on the BBC pointing fingers at Bin Laden and calling for US military action against Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Libya (all Israel's enemies). Richard Perle and other Jew Neocons are all over the media promoting wars for Israel on the very day. All coincidental right, no planning or prearrangement here?  :lol:
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hhiJanLm7g[/youtube]1438fcgw]
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxcX5XrT2E[/youtube]1438fcgw]

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- 9/11 "researchers" are pathetic fools compared to brilliant Holocaust revisionists such as Mattogno, Graf, Kues, etc.

Which 9/11 researchers are you talking about? Granted there are some idiots and plenty of shills shifting blame onto anyone but Israel, Mossad and Jews, but there are a number of credible, interpid researchers like Christopher Bollyn, Dr. Albert Pastore, etc, who have rightly pinned 9/11 on Zionists. What about all the former intelligence chiefs that have come out in favor of the Israel did it position such as Hamid Gul (former Pakistan ISI chief), Andreas Von Bulow (former German intel chief), Dr. Alan Sabrosky (US army war college), and Francesco Cossiga (former president of Italy)?

Whose opinion on this matter is more credible, these ex Intel Chiefs, or Eric Hunt and denierbud who ignore mountains of evidence in favor of an untenable conspiracy theory that was churned out by the Zionist media ?  :think:


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- You can spend a lifetime finding more lies, more clues, an avalanche of evidence of innocence regarding the Germans. We come up with new facts all the time regarding the Holohoax, 9/11 "truthers" keeps repeating the same tired untruths. Or adding more outlandish theories.

And there is an avalanche of evidence of the innocence of Arabs in this case. Here are four rock-solid sources laying out the proofs of Israeli planning and orchestraion of this false-flag:
http://zioncrimefactory.com/israel-did-911/
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc_stf.htm
http://www.911missinglinks.com/watch-movie/

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
- It all comes down to "reasonable doubt" Evidence connecting Bush/ Israel / CIA to 9/11 is currently circumstantial and a jury would acquit. Just as if Revisionists presented a defense for the Germans against "Holocaust" atrocity lies.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Evidently you haven't even seen all of the evidence implicating Israel and a broader Zionist conspiracy. You're not well read on the subject, you've probably just seen tidbits here and there on sites. Until you've digested those four sources I've provided for you, you don't really have a leg to stand on in your denunciations of this theory.


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
Regarding "controlled demolition" - here's what I will say.

I'm from New Jersey. I used to see the Twin Towers all the time, and walked past them. I was in NYC on a day when General Norman Schwarzkopf was the head of a victory parade after the first Gulf War. I either walked past the Towers that day or was directly under them as the parade went through. I saw them first hand, but it's undeniable that the construction of the towers was nowhere near as sturdy as, for instance, the more heavily concreted Empire State building (I have been inside and stood on top of the observation deck).

Simply looking at the buildings, which would you guess would topple over?

You're engaged in baseless speculation yet you scoff at the over 1500 Architects and engineers who say it's physically impossible for those towers (and building 7) to come down the way they did. http://www.ae911truth.org/


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
No steel had to melt, or be "thermited" - it only had to be weakened by the heat - the incredible weight of the floors above caused the pancaking. There are good videos of the buckling directly before the pancaking collapse.

 :lol: The pancake collapse theory is beyond ridiculous, kind of reminds me of the gas chambers theory in its absurdity. :roll: And, you're even contradicting the official story which does say that the fires "melted the steel" which it scientifically can't do. Below the impact zones there were 80+ floors of STONE COLD STEEL. Those buildings came down at near FREE FALL speed meaning there was ZERO RESISTANCE. That's not possible without explosives.

And does a "pancake collapse" completely pulverize hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete and building materials into dust clouds?


And hurl huge chunks of steel beam hundreds of yards lodging them into surrounding buildings?


Or produce squibs (lateral ejections of building material) dozens of stories BELOW the collapse wave?


And how about the fact that the LOBBY of the WTC was blown out before the collapse?
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwhU15UY3Fc[/youtube]1438fcgw]

And the dozens of eyewitness reports of secondary explosions? Were they all hallucinating?
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhtKR8tV1I[/youtube]1438fcgw]

You disregard ALL this empirical evidence in favor of a *ZOG approved* "pancake collapse" theory ? Come on dude, you're smarter than that.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
Denierbud is not a shill, he is not dumb, like me he has a position on 9/11 that is very defensible.

You, nor denierbud, have provided any defense for your position and you provided none on Giulinai's show either when he asked you about it. All you've done is scoff at the alternative theories, and claim that Zionist shills like the loosechange crew and Alex Jones represent everyone who doesn't buy the ZOG script on 9/11 which isn't true at all.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
The 9/11 conspiracy theorists have not only not convinced us, but probably have done more to make us believe the other side. Remote controlled planes? Holograms? VOICE MIMICKING TECHNOLOGY used to call loved ones? Outlandish nonsense. I also went to college near the Stewart Air Force base they talk about as well... :roll:

Remote controlled planes are much more plausible than 19 amateurs with less than poor piloting skills managing to precision fly three jumbo jets into these difficult targets, including the first floor of the Pentagon, going 575mph, on the same day, without a single interception. And how did these superhuman Arabs manage to breach the LOCKED cockpits on four flights with nothing more than boxcutters?

Have you read the material on Rabbi Dov Zakheim, the pentagon comptroller who is responsible for the missing $2.3 trillion that was announced the day before 9/11 by Rumsfeld, and how he use to run a company called systems planning corporation which specializes in remote control technology? http://www.rense.com/general75/latest.htm It's all connected.

Pilots say those planes flew way too precise into the towers to have been under human control, let alone the control of inexperienced tards. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Are we going to trust Eric Hunt's unprofessional opinion on this matter, or that of trained pilots who say it's impossible?

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
The Pentagon stuff in particular is pretty sad on the 9/11 conspiracy theorists part. They repeatedly claim there were "no parts from the plane", even though you can obviously see pieces of the American Airlines fuselage on the lawn.

Well for one, you're the conspiracy theorist if you buy the government's version. And actually what's pathetic is the story of the retard Hani Hanjour (whose flight instructor says he was an atrocious pilot who couldn't fly a cessna) could have maneuvered this thing like a jet-fighter and glide it 10 feet off the ground into the first floor of the Pentagon without scratching the lawn, or crashing prematurely, going 550 mph. According to the official story the reason why they never recovered the twin titanium jet engines and the black boxes from the crash site is because the plane was going so fast it "disintegrated" upon impact. YET, at the same time, the government claims to have RECOVERED the DNA of all the passengers and the hijackers! If the explosion was forceful and hot enough to destroy titanium, and steel, then it was hot enough to destroy carbon which is what our bodies are made of. And how did they manage to identify the hijackers by DNA in mere days? The authorities would have had to have collected DNA samples of these Arabs beforehand with which to match their remains magically recovered from the crash. Absurd fiction.

This guy named Lloyd England basically admitted that his cab scene with the lightpole that supposedly impaled his windshield yet didn't leave a scratch on his hood was staged beforehand.
[youtube:1438fcgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho[/youtube]1438fcgw]

Not to mention that the specific section of the Pentagon hit was "recently reinforced" and contained all the budgetary information. Most of those killed there were accountants, bookkeepers, etc. The day after it was announced that Zakheim misplaced $2.3 trillion. A coincidence right Eric?


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
One major thing we forgot very quickly (and minimize) is how on the day of and shortly after, we thought the date 9/11 was odd, that it was the same as the emergency number 911. That seems like something an Orwellian intelligence agency would do. 911 always conjures up images of the towers. Emergency. Would "Remember 9/17" have  been as catchy?

It's something Jews would do.


Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
The World Trade Center towers Lucky Larry bought were as I said, not constructed as well as the Empire State Building and I believe had millions of dollars of asbestos to be removed.

And isn't it convenient that these asbestos filled towers get destroyed in a terror attack saving larry all that money to remove the asbestos and scoring a huge insurance payout? And Larry just happens to skip out on a routine business meeting at the top of the north tower on 9/11, along with his children. And he's personal friends with benjamen netanyahu. But arabs did it right?

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
There was definitely motive by the Jews to commit a false flag act - it has led to the toppling (now) of practically every regime in the middle east except for Jew sycophants such as Saudi Arabia.
(Project for a New American Century)

So you acknowledge Jews had the means, motive and opportunity, and benefited tremendously from 9/11, but are still blaming arabs for it. Doesn't make much sense to me.



Zionist Ehud Sprinzak said
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“From the perspective of the Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favour.”

Ariel Sharon called it Israel's "Hannakah Miracle" http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg01134.html

Jews benefit = Jews did it  <$>

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
Building 7 - From the front it does look like a controlled demolition, but the smoke spewing out the back massively damaged by the WTC obscures what was likely the structural damage that led to the collapse.

Structural damage eh?  :lol:  Yes, and Jews were turned into soap and lampshades too right?  ;)

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
So I'm definitely open to be persuaded in the future if new evidence is uncovered. This probably won't happen - 9/11 "truthers" are poor researchers.

Your making it out that all "9/11 truthers" are the same is erroneous. Just like in the revisionist community there are differences and there's no one cohesive theory. I agree with you somewhat that there are kooks who invent nonsense to discredit the legitimate narrative of cont'd demolition  + remote planes = Israel did it. You're being overly dismissive without even looking into the evidence of our position.

Quote from: "Eric Hunt"
Pathetic 9/11 conspiracy theories are constantly mentioned when Holocaust revisionists present meticulously researched evidence about the Holocaust hoax. That's mostly my problem with it.

If you're calling the Israel Did 9/11 theory as outlined in Christopher Bollyn's book, Albert Pastore's piece, my article, 9/11 missing links, which has been endorsed by no less than three former intelligence chiefs, and the former head of the US army war college, "pathetic" then you're out of your mind. Your position on this issue is beyond pathetic and came straight from the ZOG media machine which gave us holocaustianity.

You're not being consistent with your skepticism, for whatever reason.

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 01:18:11 PM »
Quote from: "maz"
Thanks for showing up Eric. Jews lied about the holocast and they lied about 9/11. We can and have proved that over and over, all other questions and theories not withstanding. End of story ... If 9/11 isn't as obvious as a cockroach on wedding cake then just stick to your holoresearch because you've done good work there. No need to get involved in a needless food fight.

Maz, it's not enough to just tell him they lied. You seem kind of lazy and unwilling to do any explaining to win people over to our side. You might be solidly convinced and well read on the issue but many other people still are ignorant of the facts (including holocaust revisionists evidently)

People like Hunt need to be shown point by point why it's a lie or else they'll just go on with their arrogant dismissals of anything that doesn't fit the ZOG script. He's sort of acting like a holocaust defender when it comes to 9/11, parroting a ZOG-approved "pancake collapse" theory that is as unscientific as the claims about homicidal gassings in WWII. He's even fallen for the cock-eyed "structural damage" b.s. about building 7. :roll:  

His arguments are paltry and nonsensical. I think I've provided him enough preliminary evidence in the last post to demolish the official fiction and indict Israel as having had the means, motive and opportunity, to carry out this false-flag. Not to mention the historical precedent of past Zionist false-flags framing Arabs. If, after reading that and the additional sources i have provided for further reading, he is still clinging to the ZOG story, then he's as hopeless as a convinced holocaustian. Which is quite ironic to say the least.

I think now that he's invested some time and effort defending the official conspiracy theory it's gonna be a lot harder for him to come around to our side and admit he was wrong. People just don't want to admit they were wrong, ever. Called cognitive dissonance. Seen it time and time again with Holocaustians, no different with 9/11. People cling to official stories with religious fervor.

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 03:17:53 PM »
What's so nonsensical and hypocritical of Hunt's unlearned position regarding 9/11, is that the Holocaust Hoax is a much vaster and far-reaching conspiracy than 9/11. He is fully convinced of that conspiracy, yet scoffs at the idea that Jews could pull a similar hoax with 9/11. :think:

He disputes one Zionist "Big Lie" but swallows the other one whole. That's downright retarded in my view.

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Re: Is denierbud a shill or just dumb?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 03:44:40 PM »
Eric Hunt, are you the voice in http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ ??

If so, great job on that documentary. Not that I agree with everything you say, but that was a fantastic documentary. checkitb4uwreckit (zioncrimefactory) is just jealous, because his videos are piss-poor and made in his mom's basement. You should know that checkitb4uwreckit is not well respected on this forum or anywhere else really. He has a small band of commie white supremacists that follow him and his god "Charles Giuliani." I wouldn't pay much mind to the little punk.

Regarding Kevin MacDonald criticizing Brendon O'Connell for using the term "Holohoax," it seems MacDonald was merely suggesting O'Connell dumb things down a bit so as not to discredit himself too much, which is perfectly understandable. If the issue is about Palestine, focus on Palestine. The Holohoax can be brought up at a later date when people are ready to hear the truth about it.
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