The Info Underground
TiU Radio
Wednesday 23rd July 2008
Special Guest Daryl
Daryl Bradford Smith (http://www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com))
TiU welcomes DBS to discuss the issues of the day
Zionism
Politics
Financial crisis
When will the system breakdown
Alex Jones and his Zionist supporters
Israel and Iran
Money
Bird flu
The UN, WHO, and the rest
Apartheid state of Israel
Ireland and Europe
Sarkosy and France
EH
Small problem with the audio
lost the last 10 mins or so
Only words of wisdom for Prothink
and lots more
Enjoy
DBS http://www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com)
Og http://www.theinfounderground.com (http://www.theinfounderground.com)
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com)
Direct Download http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... 0Smith.mp3 (http://theinfounderground.com/archives/The%20Info%20Underground%20Radio%202008-07-23%20Guest%20Daryl%20Bradford%20Smith.mp3)
alf shukran, kheyli mamnoon, muchas gracias, tack så mycket, danke schon!!!!!!!! Greatest TiU ever!
It amazes me how people could still follow people like Alex Jones(present company (excluded). Anyone who reaches some sort of enlightenment 6 or 7 years after the fact should not be leading any type of movement. Honestly- Do really want someone who is 6/7 years behind the learning curve? Robert Fisk is another of these shills that has recently started questioning the official story. lol
Good Show, anyone interested in that video by ww3; http://youtube.com/watch?v=LniAOut4ruE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LniAOut4ruE) it's in the first 5 min where the Satanist angle pops in, I dont understand his explanation one bit. How about you guys?
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4311956/The ... ford_Smith (http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4311956/The_Info_Underground_Radio_2008-07-23_Guest_Daryl_Bradford_Smith)
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Why won't these people explain their attacks on others? DBS side stepped Og's question about calling into RBN (Rick Adams) shows. He said just recently that anyone who calls in, their names are being taking. Meanwhile he has been calling into Rick Adams, Sofia Smallstrom, Charles Gulliuani and Hertzog shows. I know the one time he called Rick Adams his brother was co hosting the show.
As far as Humura he also side stepped Og's question about the attack on Prothink coming from his site. WTF is going on?
Will download tonight and listen to this, sounds like a good show ognir..
keep up the good work!
As for what we *suggested* to Mike Prothink, we already said to him on the phone the previous day. Personally I'm getting a lot of emails from people worried about him since he meet up with John. Someone is actually calling him an agent, however I don't buy into that.
John is a different kettle of fish altogether. He's seems to be a stand up guy but adding in the guns and violence is setting off alarm bells amongst members of the movement. From history or my understanding of US history, these sort of groups are open to infiltration and could get some good people like Mike taken down and our point is that, Mike has a very young kid and family and they must be number one.
Feck sake, we all openly talk about the police state in the US and this is not the time for us to lose good men as our numbers grow.
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Great show.
It opened my eyes a bit concerning John. I liked his videos that he made but they seem to be dark in nature.
I really have to ask concerning the last bit of this interview. How exactly are you planning on wining without the possibility of things getting violent. Do you honestly believe people are all going to rise up off their asses and arrest the criminals peacefully? If so, why haven't any of you arrested the criminals? We are all waiting for them to make the move. Not the other way around.
I am not a trusting person in any way which is what brought me to these facts. But I won't say the direction that Mike at Prothink and John are taking is wrong. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If DBS talks about "things coming to a head" and how the whole world's economy is going to collapse in September, how is it possible that in the same breath he can say that Militias are bad? If there is chaos things are going to be peaceful? we can have a non-violent approach during chaos? I'm confused on that. Our masters will make the first move so if you are not trained, not prepared you may as well go to a camp where you will still have your needs taken care of. Project Off the Grid is an excellent idea and the fact that they have acquired all that native land is a step in the right direction. If you believe Militias are wrong and that we can win this thing without it getting violent, you are delusional.
John for WW3News is bashed for being part of the church of Satan. He admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past. But his information and his presentation IMO is very well done. Because of his past that makes him a bad guy now according to DBS? Especially when we take into consideration we know nothing about DBS' real past and the man snapped after a photograph of him was placed on the internet. You want to be the front guy for the real truth movement but you don't want anyone to know what you look like or know really anything about you? I can understand why Hufschmid would consider him a "voice on the phone" in that sense. John posts videos where you can see him, he gives out his contact phone number publicly and has stated his past. Mike has done the same and they are bashed (well not so much Mike) for it. So why all the secrecy with DBS? He is secretive about giving out his number and how the bad guys want to get him but he calls into RBN to be on shows where they obviously record your whereabouts? what is this?? His info is gold and so is his site but these cat fights have really got to stop.
Also at the end Hufschmid is bashed because he says all Jews are guilty. I've read where he says be suspicious of all Jews since we know that the people pushing this conspiracy come from the Jewish crime network. Now in the same interview DBS talks about a guy named Siegel having a Jewish last name. The way he said it was like he was suspicious. Which would then mean (IMO) that he is suspicious of Jews. Which could then be drawn to the conclusion that he, like Hufschmid, is suspicious of all Jews and if they aren't completely ignorant they are simply ignoring what they see which makes them complicit. Only difference is Hufschmid is saying what he feels right out in the open, and that is, all Jews had better start looking at these facts and screaming along side the Goyim or they will all be swept up in the same dust pan. It isn't even a case of being "racist" as there is no Jewish race. This is a war, an information war for the time being and if the enemy is Talmudic Judaism, NOT ZIONISM (That dis-info needs to be squashed) then all members of the enemy faction need to be examined until we can separate the complicit from the innocent. Zionism is a political movement that is a little over 100 years young. There was a problem with Jews long before that. You all know this even if some of you don't admit it.
The banking families are not "Zionist Jews" they are Jews. If they let the Goyim have their way and Israel was destroyed but Usury stayed in existence, they still have complete control over us. These bankers could care less about Israel as far as I'm concerned and have no affiliation to any nation. Israel and religion is just another tool for them to make the world easier to conquer by using the millions of Christians to ultimately work against themselves. It also allows them to destroy Islam and take control of the black gold.
Good interview over all but it got very strange near the end with all the attacks on the messengers while claiming in the same audio file that attacking the messenger is wrong. Hufschmid is a strange character (anti-social it seems) but he has very unique ideas in his audio files and his information on deception is gold. DBS is a very secretive person but his info is also gold. Mike and John are doing the right thing by preparing for the worse. If this comes to a head we need to be prepared and trained to survive. A man can't really help anyone else unless he can help himself.
Thanks for your comments
That was only one show, my first real time chatting to DBS and I'm looking forward to doing more audios in the future and we'll learn from this one and hopefully do better the next time.
Remember we are not all on the same level of awareness and we are trying to wakeup people that might be open to the message about our talmudic jewish conspiracy. If we only said jew jew jew, how far would we get with the message?
Thanks, Ognir, for having DBS as a guest. You asked a lot of great questions and he had some great answsers and explanations.
Looking forward to additional interviews with DBS.
If I may say a word about John a.k.a. WW3News and now Force Multiplication; I think the guy is on the level and at the very least, honest, about who he is and where he comes from. He did not have to admit to anything from his past in his videos, but he did, without providing the finer details of his escapades into the occult. And remember, occult only means "hidden" it does not necessarily imply anything satanic. I've studied the occult since I was a child, myself, although I chose not to go down the same road as John did. Now, I'm not much into the militia experience and I agree with both DBS and Ognir about the violence issue and not providing our masters the opportunity to crush us at this point. We need to lay low for as long as possible before the shooting starts. But, I think we should consider that John and others are spot on regarding preparation for that day because it will come. We are all internalizing this experience in various expressive ways. Some, like myself, are just doing their best to get the word out and others like John are attempting to expose us to a completely different experience, which is learning how to defend ourselves and our families. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater because he does not fall into a pre-accepted mode of conduct or thought. When the shit hits the fan it will take all of us, no matter who we are or where we come from, or, what we think to fight off the Zionist dogs if we want to survive. That's just my two-sense. Thanks.
Compliments, makes a lot of sense AK3N470N!! Yet I fully understand Daryl & Ognir's arguments, it is really difficult to make a choice, but there is a lot in between sitting around passively and militias & grabbing the guns! What about a citizens arrest of one of the top criminals, as Eric explained: 1000 men with a gun can do that without a single shot, they will be scared to death, just set an example of what the 'patriot goyim' is capable of! Being aware of every Jew is the correct attitude, I myself, I see my Jewish friends & family in a different light than a year ago although I know they are not more than poor dupes, just as we were, and actually their Jewishnes is a huge mental burden on their shoulders!
I have phantasies of what 1000 men with a gun easily could do, without a single shot: they could go to the NY or Wahington Post and demand they print an bombshell article on their frontpage, or they could go Fox O'reilly and have him read an article on national television! :-)
Papillon.
QuoteI have phantasies of what 1000 men with a gun easily could do, without a single shot: they could go to the NY or Wahington Post and demand they print an bombshell article on their frontpage, or they could go Fox O'reilly and have him read an article on national television! :-)
I was going to say something else but I wouldn't.
I hope I do many more shows and educate myself along the way
Quote from: "joeblowman"(http://i37.tinypic.com/14awp07.jpg)
I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with this pic. If you are trying to say that John is bad because Curt Maynard replied to his video and Curt Maynard is a racist, you should have a look at DBS' site. I'll send you a link:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Je ... abbers.htm (http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Jewish.Gun.Grabbers.htm)
Where did that piece of information originate from?
Or this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AiQJEk-STo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AiQJEk-STo)
If you can explain to me what you meant by posting that pic that would be excellent.
Just Joeblow stirring the pot again
Quote from: "AK3N470N"http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Je ... abbers.htm (http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Jewish.Gun.Grabbers.htm)
If you really think that showing WITH EVIDENCE that gun-grabbing originated with Jewish people is racist, then you are both extremely behind the curve and are probably at the wrong place. But don't worry, there's plenty of people who will agree with you -> http://www.infowarsforum.com (http://www.infowarsforum.com) .
Curt Maynard is Satan's Asshole and is a sick, cancerous poison that must be excised from any legitimate group fighting the NWO.
this was a great show. and id just like to say in regards to the whole dont trust any jew thing coming from eric, and then DBS saying dont trust bart cuz his last name is jewish. the difference here is eric is saying dont trust any jew, anywhere, ever. DBS is saying dont trust jewish ppl who are seemingly trying to control this truth momvement. be suspicious of any jewish person in this 9/11 truth movement. that makes sense because obviously it has been taken over or derailed by suspicious jewish ppl. hes not saying trust no jew ever. like eric is saying. rather to not trust any jewish person in the truth movement, as with the govt, there is obviously a disproportionate ammount of jews in this movement. and they more times than not seem to be giving out disinfo and/or trying to fuck with the movement in a negative way.
if your still sticking up for eric at this point i dont know what to tell you. i still like to listen to him from time to time because he does usualy make sense. but i also do not trust him at all after all the shit he caused with daryl, and al the shinanigans hes guilty of creating. there is definitly something up with him; what it is i do not know. but i surely dont trust him. he starts fights and trys to divide the entire cause. he needs to settle down and maybe just concentrate on doing his own thing and not worry about what daryl is doing.
its pretty apparent that he tried to completely ruin daryl from behind the scenes. he slings a lot of shit and never addresses the strange things going on with himself.
Quote from: "joeblowman"Quote from: "AK3N470N"http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Je ... abbers.htm (http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Jewish.Gun.Grabbers.htm)
If you really think that showing WITH EVIDENCE that gun-grabbing originated with Jewish people is racist, then you are both extremely behind the curve and are probably at the wrong place. But don't worry, there's plenty of people who will agree with you -> http://www.infowarsforum.com (http://www.infowarsforum.com) .
Curt Maynard is Satan's Asshole and is a sick, cancerous poison that must be excised from any legitimate group fighting the NWO.
I guess you really missed the point of what I was writing. You must have also skipped past my first post in this thread. Not sure what to make of what you have written so I will make it clear what I was originally trying to state.
You posted a screenshot of 2 comments coming from Curt Maynard towards John from ForceMultiplication. Then you spliced that shot with his opinion based article about Niggers and I'm sure he thinks all black people are cancerous parasites but I could really care less about that. Now in case your not reading this properly, that gun-grabbing article comes from a source and the author of that source is.... CURT MAYNARD. So I'm not saying that outting the gun grabbers being Jewish is racist, if you read my first post in this thread I state clearly that there is no Jewish race. I also posted the video that goes with that CURT MAYNARD article which was presented by Mike and John. If Curt Maynard is Satan's asshole like you say, how can you not notice that the gun-grabbing article originates from him? Or did you think there were two people named Curt Maynard...
You see it's doing tactics like this that cause stupid cat fights. Curt Maynard is a racist obviously but the gun-grabbing article is useful info. So you take that info and whatever other useful info he might have, and leave him the hell alone. But trying to make John look bad for having approved comments by this guy and then not noticing that DBS also linked to this guy, is very hypocritical and lazy researching.
You need to read everything before you share your thoughts. If you read my first post you wouldn't be able to say that I am behind the curve and need to go back to Infowars. I left AJ is 2005.
Take care,
AK3N470N
Quote from: "AK3N470N"I really have to ask concerning the last bit of this interview. How exactly are you planning on wining without the possibility of things getting violent. Do you honestly believe people are all going to rise up off their asses and arrest the criminals peacefully? If so, why haven't any of you arrested the criminals? We are all waiting for them to make the move. Not the other way around.
I am not a trusting person in any way which is what brought me to these facts. But I won't say the direction that Mike at Prothink and John are taking is wrong. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If DBS talks about "things coming to a head" and how the whole world's economy is going to collapse in September, how is it possible that in the same breath he can say that Militias are bad? If there is chaos things are going to be peaceful? we can have a non-violent approach during chaos? I'm confused on that. Our masters will make the first move so if you are not trained, not prepared you may as well go to a camp where you will still have your needs taken care of. Project Off the Grid is an excellent idea and the fact that they have acquired all that native land is a step in the right direction. If you believe Militias are wrong and that we can win this thing without it getting violent, you are delusional.
John for WW3News is bashed for being part of the church of Satan. He admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past. But his information and his presentation IMO is very well done. Because of his past that makes him a bad guy now according to DBS? Especially when we take into consideration we know nothing about DBS' real past and the man snapped after a photograph of him was placed on the internet. You want to be the front guy for the real truth movement but you don't want anyone to know what you look like or know really anything about you? I can understand why Hufschmid would consider him a "voice on the phone" in that sense. John posts videos where you can see him, he gives out his contact phone number publicly and has stated his past. Mike has done the same and they are bashed (well not so much Mike) for it. So why all the secrecy with DBS? He is secretive about giving out his number and how the bad guys want to get him but he calls into RBN to be on shows where they obviously record your whereabouts? what is this?? His info is gold and so is his site but these cat fights have really got to stop.
Also at the end Hufschmid is bashed because he says all Jews are guilty. I've read where he says be suspicious of all Jews since we know that the people pushing this conspiracy come from the Jewish crime network. Now in the same interview DBS talks about a guy named Siegel having a Jewish last name. The way he said it was like he was suspicious. Which would then mean (IMO) that he is suspicious of Jews. Which could then be drawn to the conclusion that he, like Hufschmid, is suspicious of all Jews and if they aren't completely ignorant they are simply ignoring what they see which makes them complicit. Only difference is Hufschmid is saying what he feels right out in the open, and that is, all Jews had better start looking at these facts and screaming along side the Goyim or they will all be swept up in the same dust pan. It isn't even a case of being "racist" as there is no Jewish race. This is a war, an information war for the time being and if the enemy is Talmudic Judaism, NOT ZIONISM (That dis-info needs to be squashed) then all members of the enemy faction need to be examined until we can separate the complicit from the innocent. Zionism is a political movement that is a little over 100 years young. There was a problem with Jews long before that. You all know this even if some of you don't admit it.
The banking families are not "Zionist Jews" they are Jews. If they let the Goyim have their way and Israel was destroyed but Usury stayed in existence, they still have complete control over us. These bankers could care less about Israel as far as I'm concerned and have no affiliation to any nation. Israel and religion is just another tool for them to make the world easier to conquer by using the millions of Christians to ultimately work against themselves. It also allows them to destroy Islam and take control of the black gold.
Good interview over all but it got very strange near the end with all the attacks on the messengers while claiming in the same audio file that attacking the messenger is wrong. Hufschmid is a strange character (anti-social it seems) but he has very unique ideas in his audio files and his information on deception is gold. DBS is a very secretive person but his info is also gold. Mike and John are doing the right thing by preparing for the worse. If this comes to a head we need to be prepared and trained to survive. A man can't really help anyone else unless he can help himself.
I agree with this brotha right here. I stated something similar on khanverse phorums when someone brought up not liking the content expressed between Mike and John. Bottom line, things will get worse before they get better and their will be violence. I am throughly prepared to protect my family and friends and everyone else should be as well. These criminals will take the first violent step and it will not be their last either. When the SHTF we need to fight back less we are herded to the camps. I got my rifle and plenty of ammo and I would rather die free than a slave. Its funny, about 2 years ago I had emailed DBS about things going on in this country and he specifically stated to make sure you have guns and plenty of ammo. I got that. Food too. And growing a garden. People should do the same. I am somewhat confused on his stances as far as violence because defense includes violence... to some degree. I really thing DBS is more concerned with the association with the church of satan and with Koernke's association with Alex Jones. I listen to Koernke - as John suggested - and he has A LOT of good information. AJ is bad all the way and I won't waste any time on that. The point is the spread of the message and self defense. Those should be priority in everyones life right now. When the economy collapses or that first nuke goes off.... panic and fear will be everyones enemy and the criminals running the show will use that to their advantage. Be prepared or be dead.
Quote from: "Papillon"I have phantasies of what 1000 men with a gun easily could do, without a single shot: they could go to the NY or Wahington Post and demand they print an bombshell article on their frontpage, or they could go Fox O'reilly and have him read an article on national television! :-)
Papillon.
Think what 1000 men with 30 round mags can do when it comes down to defending their town.... :shock:
Quote from: "AK3N470N"Quote from: "joeblowman"Quote from: "AK3N470N"http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Je ... abbers.htm (http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Jewish.Gun.Grabbers.htm)
If you really think that showing WITH EVIDENCE that gun-grabbing originated with Jewish people is racist, then you are both extremely behind the curve and are probably at the wrong place. But don't worry, there's plenty of people who will agree with you -> http://www.infowarsforum.com (http://www.infowarsforum.com) .
Curt Maynard is Satan's Asshole and is a sick, cancerous poison that must be excised from any legitimate group fighting the NWO.
I guess you really missed the point of what I was writing. You must have also skipped past my first post in this thread. Not sure what to make of what you have written so I will make it clear what I was originally trying to state.
You posted a screenshot of 2 comments coming from Curt Maynard towards John from ForceMultiplication. Then you spliced that shot with his opinion based article about Niggers and I'm sure he thinks all black people are cancerous parasites but I could really care less about that. Now in case your not reading this properly, that gun-grabbing article comes from a source and the author of that source is.... CURT MAYNARD. So I'm not saying that outting the gun grabbers being Jewish is racist, if you read my first post in this thread I state clearly that there is no Jewish race. I also posted the video that goes with that CURT MAYNARD article which was presented by Mike and John. If Curt Maynard is Satan's asshole like you say, how can you not notice that the gun-grabbing article originates from him? Or did you think there were two people named Curt Maynard...
You see it's doing tactics like this that cause stupid cat fights. Curt Maynard is a racist obviously but the gun-grabbing article is useful info. So you take that info and whatever other useful info he might have, and leave him the hell alone. But trying to make John look bad for having approved comments by this guy and then not noticing that DBS also linked to this guy, is very hypocritical and lazy researching.
You need to read everything before you share your thoughts. If you read my first post you wouldn't be able to say that I am behind the curve and need to go back to Infowars. I left AJ is 2005.
Take care,
AK3N470N
Well said.
Quote from: "ThaTruth920"Quote from: "Papillon"I have phantasies of what 1000 men with a gun easily could do, without a single shot: they could go to the NY or Wahington Post and demand they print an bombshell article on their frontpage, or they could go Fox O'reilly and have him read an article on national television! :-)
Papillon.
Think what 1000 men with 30 round mags can do when it comes down to defending their town.... :shock:
Hey are you new? Welcome, the more the merrier.
Quote from: "Canard"Quote from: "ThaTruth920"Quote from: "Papillon"I have phantasies of what 1000 men with a gun easily could do, without a single shot: they could go to the NY or Wahington Post and demand they print an bombshell article on their frontpage, or they could go Fox O'reilly and have him read an article on national television! :-)
Papillon.
Think what 1000 men with 30 round mags can do when it comes down to defending their town.... :shock:
Hey are you new? Welcome, the more the merrier.
New to this forum... I think this is the second forum i've ever joined. First was khanverse phorum... I am not new to whats going on in this world though. Same story as the rest ... ran into AJ online, then kept bumping into people bashing a guy named DBS and the topic of zionism... wanted to find out more info on the people and subject... read a bunch of books, etc.... learned a bunch from DBS and EH almost 4 years ago...
Thanks for the welcome. Much appreciated.
Quote from: "AK3N470N"I really have to ask concerning the last bit of this interview. How exactly are you planning on wining without the possibility of things getting violent. Do you honestly believe people are all going to rise up off their asses and arrest the criminals peacefully? If so, why haven't any of you arrested the criminals? We are all waiting for them to make the move. Not the other way around.
I am not a trusting person in any way which is what brought me to these facts. But I won't say the direction that Mike at Prothink and John are taking is wrong. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If DBS talks about "things coming to a head" and how the whole world's economy is going to collapse in September, how is it possible that in the same breath he can say that Militias are bad? If there is chaos things are going to be peaceful? we can have a non-violent approach during chaos? I'm confused on that. Our masters will make the first move so if you are not trained, not prepared you may as well go to a camp where you will still have your needs taken care of. Project Off the Grid is an excellent idea and the fact that they have acquired all that native land is a step in the right direction. If you believe Militias are wrong and that we can win this thing without it getting violent, you are delusional.
John for WW3News is bashed for being part of the church of Satan. He admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past. But his information and his presentation IMO is very well done. Because of his past that makes him a bad guy now according to DBS? Especially when we take into consideration we know nothing about DBS' real past and the man snapped after a photograph of him was placed on the internet. You want to be the front guy for the real truth movement but you don't want anyone to know what you look like or know really anything about you? I can understand why Hufschmid would consider him a "voice on the phone" in that sense. John posts videos where you can see him, he gives out his contact phone number publicly and has stated his past. Mike has done the same and they are bashed (well not so much Mike) for it. So why all the secrecy with DBS? He is secretive about giving out his number and how the bad guys want to get him but he calls into RBN to be on shows where they obviously record your whereabouts? what is this?? His info is gold and so is his site but these cat fights have really got to stop.
Also at the end Hufschmid is bashed because he says all Jews are guilty. I've read where he says be suspicious of all Jews since we know that the people pushing this conspiracy come from the Jewish crime network. Now in the same interview DBS talks about a guy named Siegel having a Jewish last name. The way he said it was like he was suspicious. Which would then mean (IMO) that he is suspicious of Jews. Which could then be drawn to the conclusion that he, like Hufschmid, is suspicious of all Jews and if they aren't completely ignorant they are simply ignoring what they see which makes them complicit. Only difference is Hufschmid is saying what he feels right out in the open, and that is, all Jews had better start looking at these facts and screaming along side the Goyim or they will all be swept up in the same dust pan. It isn't even a case of being "racist" as there is no Jewish race. This is a war, an information war for the time being and if the enemy is Talmudic Judaism, NOT ZIONISM (That dis-info needs to be squashed) then all members of the enemy faction need to be examined until we can separate the complicit from the innocent. Zionism is a political movement that is a little over 100 years young. There was a problem with Jews long before that. You all know this even if some of you don't admit it.
The banking families are not "Zionist Jews" they are Jews. If they let the Goyim have their way and Israel was destroyed but Usury stayed in existence, they still have complete control over us. These bankers could care less about Israel as far as I'm concerned and have no affiliation to any nation. Israel and religion is just another tool for them to make the world easier to conquer by using the millions of Christians to ultimately work against themselves. It also allows them to destroy Islam and take control of the black gold.
Good interview over all but it got very strange near the end with all the attacks on the messengers while claiming in the same audio file that attacking the messenger is wrong. Hufschmid is a strange character (anti-social it seems) but he has very unique ideas in his audio files and his information on deception is gold. DBS is a very secretive person but his info is also gold. Mike and John are doing the right thing by preparing for the worse. If this comes to a head we need to be prepared and trained to survive. A man can't really help anyone else unless he can help himself.
VERY well said! I will address this issue more in depth later and will be taking an independent stance on the entire issue myself.
1 If John is for real and reformed,as he says, then let him do a complete outing of the occult/satanism he was a part of (or founder) and out it completely and also make a video how to really out AND hurt these satanists/occultists and their practices and their teachings the hardest. (all three)
After all he was an insider. That way he can become a 'Riddick' type companion to the fight. simple aye?
2 Looking forward to Mike's individual standpoint.
3 Be aware of what type of message we want to bring to the public (including enemy media) and how to best manage that for maximum succes.
Quote from: "AK3N470N"I really have to ask concerning the last bit of this interview. How exactly are you planning on wining without the possibility of things getting violent. Do you honestly believe people are all going to rise up off their asses and arrest the criminals peacefully? If so, why haven't any of you arrested the criminals? We are all waiting for them to make the move. Not the other way around.
I am not a trusting person in any way which is what brought me to these facts. But I won't say the direction that Mike at Prothink and John are taking is wrong. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If DBS talks about "things coming to a head" and how the whole world's economy is going to collapse in September, how is it possible that in the same breath he can say that Militias are bad? If there is chaos things are going to be peaceful? we can have a non-violent approach during chaos? I'm confused on that. Our masters will make the first move so if you are not trained, not prepared you may as well go to a camp where you will still have your needs taken care of. Project Off the Grid is an excellent idea and the fact that they have acquired all that native land is a step in the right direction. If you believe Militias are wrong and that we can win this thing without it getting violent, you are delusional.
John for WW3News is bashed for being part of the church of Satan. He admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past. But his information and his presentation IMO is very well done. Because of his past that makes him a bad guy now according to DBS? Especially when we take into consideration we know nothing about DBS' real past and the man snapped after a photograph of him was placed on the internet. You want to be the front guy for the real truth movement but you don't want anyone to know what you look like or know really anything about you? I can understand why Hufschmid would consider him a "voice on the phone" in that sense. John posts videos where you can see him, he gives out his contact phone number publicly and has stated his past. Mike has done the same and they are bashed (well not so much Mike) for it. So why all the secrecy with DBS? He is secretive about giving out his number and how the bad guys want to get him but he calls into RBN to be on shows where they obviously record your whereabouts? what is this?? His info is gold and so is his site but these cat fights have really got to stop.
Also at the end Hufschmid is bashed because he says all Jews are guilty. I've read where he says be suspicious of all Jews since we know that the people pushing this conspiracy come from the Jewish crime network. Now in the same interview DBS talks about a guy named Siegel having a Jewish last name. The way he said it was like he was suspicious. Which would then mean (IMO) that he is suspicious of Jews. Which could then be drawn to the conclusion that he, like Hufschmid, is suspicious of all Jews and if they aren't completely ignorant they are simply ignoring what they see which makes them complicit. Only difference is Hufschmid is saying what he feels right out in the open, and that is, all Jews had better start looking at these facts and screaming along side the Goyim or they will all be swept up in the same dust pan. It isn't even a case of being "racist" as there is no Jewish race. This is a war, an information war for the time being and if the enemy is Talmudic Judaism, NOT ZIONISM (That dis-info needs to be squashed) then all members of the enemy faction need to be examined until we can separate the complicit from the innocent. Zionism is a political movement that is a little over 100 years young. There was a problem with Jews long before that. You all know this even if some of you don't admit it.
The banking families are not "Zionist Jews" they are Jews. If they let the Goyim have their way and Israel was destroyed but Usury stayed in existence, they still have complete control over us. These bankers could care less about Israel as far as I'm concerned and have no affiliation to any nation. Israel and religion is just another tool for them to make the world easier to conquer by using the millions of Christians to ultimately work against themselves. It also allows them to destroy Islam and take control of the black gold.
Good interview over all but it got very strange near the end with all the attacks on the messengers while claiming in the same audio file that attacking the messenger is wrong. Hufschmid is a strange character (anti-social it seems) but he has very unique ideas in his audio files and his information on deception is gold. DBS is a very secretive person but his info is also gold. Mike and John are doing the right thing by preparing for the worse. If this comes to a head we need to be prepared and trained to survive. A man can't really help anyone else unless he can help himself.
Damn straight! Good post.
Truth is we can all learn a little something from everyone!
-Gord
Quote from: "blueocean"1 If John is for real and reformed,as he says, then let him do a complete outing of the occult/satanism he was a part of (or founder) and out it completely and also make a video how to really out AND hurt these satanists/occultists and their practices and their teachings the hardest. (all three)
After all he was an insider. That way he can become a 'Riddick' type companion to the fight. simple aye?
2 Looking forward to Mike's individual standpoint.
3 Be aware of what type of message we want to bring to the public (including enemy media) and how to best manage that for maximum succes.
I agree with much of what you say. I have no clue what they really teach you in a dark occult school but if you are symbol literate and understand subliminal messages and have a basic understanding of sacred geometry, I am not sure what else there is that could be outed. I will have to wait until I learn something new from an insider however. I have been told many times not to focus on this side of information too deeply long before I heard of John. A lot of what these students may be taught wouldn't necessarily be the truth and doesn't do us much good to pass it on to new listeners IMO. Like I said it is not good to focus on this kind of thing too deeply. For example, about a year and a half ago I was approached by a supposed member to the Canadian Rocky Mountain Mystery School Headquarters which teaches Universal kabbalah and other mystery school "info" (I really want to say nonsense here). They do so at a ridiculous price and the whole thing is a racket, but that is just my opinion. This school teaches or tries to give the teachings of King Solomon from 3,000-3,500 years ago. Solomon derives from Latin not Hebrew such word in Hebrew is Sh'lomo so right off the bat we know we are being fed a truth that isn't quite right. No one was speaking Latin at that time. Sol comes from Latin and the sun was Ra in those days. Latin comes later and elsewhere. The same type of translation example can be made with Lucifer in the King James bible.
Like stated elsewhere, this network will be destroyed much quicker from the inside out. I have a contact in Israel who I have been sharing info and thoughts with for the last 6+ months. We don't agree on everything as it is harder for me to have compassion after growing up in the western world and this contact being Jewish. Of course we know that this separation is a great tool "The anti-Semites shall be our best friends" and is done so by design. It is excellent however to know that Israelis are speaking out and learning about Zionism and the money changers. In return I get to learn more on Hebrew and the spiritual (that word has been misused so I don't really like using it) side of things. She and her husband live in Tzfat and they are well versed on the Torah and Hebrew. I also get to learn from first hand knowledge how their govt just like all others are screwing them over. But it helps our cause greatly when the people of Jewish faith start researching and speaking out.
Another thing that has been on my mind along the lines of the cat fighting are "theories" and fact. There are many definitions of a theory but the one I will use for what I am getting at is "A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment". Such definition means that to have this belief you are basing your judgment on your opinion not facts. The theory I am talking about is the concept that there are 2 factions of Jews fighting for control of the world. The banking Jews vs the Zionist Jews. Such a theory can only make sense if you have the solid inside proof that such events are in fact occurring. There is definitely infighting going on, don't get me wrong but to out people as "shills working for the enemy" because they produce info on the banking Jews is wrong. Lets say for a moment that we have hard proof that the banking Jews really are at war with the Zionist Jews. The Zionist Jews as rich as some of them may be, depend on money, money coming from where? If we know that not all Jews in the world could possibly be involved but there is a war going on between the Zionists and the Banking Jews this would then make their numbers even smaller. If this is the case, there is no way for them to even take control of the world. But like I stated in my first post, if we were to eliminate Zionism but Usury remained, we are still slaves to the very thing we need in our daily lives. Zionist Jews vs Banking Jews is a theory and nothing more.
I always just go for the info and don't spend anytime on the personality of the person sharing the info but that is not to say I don't keep such thoughts in my mind. We have truth seekers who are almost all alone complaining that they have been ignored by everyone else in the movement and so therefore everyone else is a shill. This again is another theory. If a person creates fights with everyone around them, they will be left alone. Their information is still worthy of praise none the less.
I have lots on my mind regarding how attacks were made almost out of the blue as far as I'm concerned. As well as the condemnation for us to defend ourselves. I will save my thoughts for later as it's Friday night and I have some "slave minded sheeple fun" to adhere to :D .
Peace be upon you all.
AK3N470N
QuoteHe admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past.
Keen memory.
I find it interesting that DBS praised me on the telephone and then publicly denounces me. This is only to be expected. More will come, to be sure.
I have a number of corrections and rebuttals to make to the statements presented against me and they will come in time. For now, I would like to note that it is interesting that DBS speaks out of complete ignorance when it comes to Satanism and the Church of Satan and compares me to Jeffrey Dahmer. I would expect slander but not such paltry research from a man such as Mr. Smith, who I have unfortunately held in the highest esteem.
For those unaware, Anton Szandor LaVey (real name: Howard Levi [Jew], founder of the Church of Satan (http://churchofsatan.com/) circa 1966, author of The Satanic Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Anton-Szandor-Lavey/dp/0380015390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217043834&sr=8-1) circa 1969) denounces animal and human sacrifice and any such sensationalist evils presented at the pulpit by hysterical so-called Christian preachers who have no actual familiarity with the things they fulminate. Apparently DBS is not aware that there are various sects of Satanism just as there are with Christianity and [LaVey] Satanists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism) are atheistic (neither actually believing in Satan or God, and merely use Satan as a poster icon for a rebellious philosophy based upon Ayn Rand's Objectivism and the words of Nietzsche). Such a statement is not an attack on Mr. Smith as most people are unfamiliar with such facts. Devil Worshipers and those who call themselves "Traditional Satanists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_satanism)" are quite different than [LaVey] Satanists. Additionally, all such sects are different from Luciferianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferian).
For the record,I
was a member of the Church of Satan, registered at the age of 17. On the day I sent my membership request to the Church of Satan, LaVey dropped dead (October 29, 1997). Following that I quickly trounced LaVey as a charlatan and assisted in the founding of a non-profit [religious] corporation dedicated to the expansion of Satanism in the two-thousand and third year of the common era; which is the Grand Black Lodge. I have no association to Satanism other than the tattoos that I still bare. Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism). As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars) for starters. The inner priesthood of the Black Lodge has always known that it existed to secretly serve the Christic principle, just as in quite the opposite direction the so-called White Lodge of Freemasonry serves Lucifer. It should be noted that Lutherianism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism were all started by Freemasons, but that's another talk-show. There is a no longer a need for the Black Lodge as it is abundantly clear to an important few and an instrumental many who the enemies of humanity and Christ's teachings really are.
If, as DBS declares, we need "righteous forthrightness and
honesty" then I have given it and will continue to do so. I'll be back, but for now I'm trying to complete my time machine so I can go back and tell General George Washington that his involvement with militia groups is detrimental to the future of America. For now. . .
Be careful who you take to the stake. . .you may burn one of your greatest allies.
Esse Est Percipi
E Pluribus Unum
Stay strong,
John
Good clarification. Thanks for addressing the issue John ;) I have nothing to say on these topics (as I am ignorant of them), other than keep on trucking :D
Peace
Great show. I didnt even realise this site had podcasts. Been a fan of DBS for a while. I sent an email to him not that long ago after seeing these creepy Waco type vids on prothink's site.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.
DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row. What did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?
When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?
Now someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.
Anyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.
Prothink makes a good target to bring down. He made Alex Jones look like a complete asshole with a simple telephone call. I have a bad feeling prothink is a bit gullible, thats why he bothers with that hufschmid guy who is clearly putting out disinfo... i mean zionist jews vs banking jews... what a load of crap.
Anyway, just in anticipation of some criticism, I am not necessarily opposed to taking up guns but i think the best way forward is to wage an information war. Especially if the lower ranks of the army, police and health bureacracies can be targetted. We need more whistleblowers. If we really want large numbers of people behind us we all have to spread the word as much as possible. A lot more can be achieved this way from setting up the next waco media sensation out in the middle of nowhere.
I mean bartering...a barter system in project off the grid? .... come on... it seems like one of those communes set up in Israel.. its all very communist and jewish to me. If that project off the grid is not shutdown by the govt it will fall apart from internal bickering.
Quote from: "sirbadman"Great show. I didnt even realise this site had podcasts. Been a fan of DBS for a while. I sent an email to him not that long ago after seeing these creepy Waco type vids on prothink's site.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.
DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row. What did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?
When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?
Now someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.
Anyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.
Prothink makes a good target to bring down. He made Alex Jones look like a complete asshole with a simple telephone call. I have a bad feeling prothink is a bit gullible, thats why he bothers with that hufschmid guy who is clearly putting out disinfo... i mean zionist jews vs banking jews... what a load of crap.
Anyway, just in anticipation of some criticism, I am not necessarily opposed to taking up guns but i think the best way forward is to wage an information war. Especially if the lower ranks of the army, police and health bureacracies can be targetted. We need more whistleblowers. If we really want large numbers of people behind us we all have to spread the word as much as possible. A lot more can be achieved this way from setting up the next waco media sensation out in the middle of nowhere.
I mean bartering...a barter system in project off the grid? .... come on... it seems like one of those communes set up in Israel.. its all very communist and jewish to me. If that project off the grid is not shutdown by the govt it will fall apart from internal bickering.
Very interesting post. Lots of things have been on my mind about all of this cat fighting going on for the last while here. The last 20mins or so of that interview completely shocked me. DBS to me has always seemed too secretive, Hufschmid I found back with his documentary in 2003 but before that time my research only focused on the occult. Jordan Maxwell, Tsarion and Icke.
DBS has very good information with his books on history and Andy Hitchcock putting up the Synagogue of Satan for the site can only be commended. I have sent the link to that and the Rothschild time line to many people and plugged them around the net. Me and a friend on Facebook had infiltrated the group forum Loose Change: The Truth about 9/11. When we both arrived there over a year and a half ago, right from the start all we did was hammer the Zionist angle and the involvement with criminal Jews. I also criticized to great extent their documentary Loose Change. I was called every name in the book at first (Anti-Semite and Loose Change hater/Cohesion divider) but kept plugging info until 2 of the active Admins to that group started reading what I was writing. It is now at the point where I don't post there anymore because the Admins who post frequently are always plugging info for the new recruits about Zionism, Palestinian conflict and Israeli involvement with 9/11. Currently there are 10,500 or so members there. But the point I'm getting at is Jason Bermas is friends through the network with one of those active admins and I can tell Jason was reading the info that was plugged on this group. I had posted Prothink's trailer to the documentary he was working on back in late Dec, 2007. Then in Feb 2008 or so, one of the admin's had told me Jason and co were thinking about making a new doc called: Fabled Enemies exposing the Israeli connection and it would be out by summer. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it isn't.
QuoteDBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many.
Where can I find Koernke??
Thx, Papillon.
Good post, very interesting stuff AK, I'm very intrigued about you and your buddy spreading truth over at Screw Loose Change Forum. Good work btw, it couldn't have been easy. I'm really interested in Bermas Israeli Expose piece, its clearly too little too late, for me to swallow at least. Look how long it took, and right in time for when Jonesy starts talking truth on the matter. I cant wait for some TIU'ers to get ahold of his new video and splice it with all the crap he's been peddling which was anything but an Israeli connection since he came on the scene.
Free Palestine.
QuoteDBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John.
This is another part of the interview that I found very strange. He stated before that violence was the last thing we need which I agree with. But to say Militias are wrong and being prepared for violence is wrong almost made me feel as if DBS was getting worried that the criminals are in trouble and the ants have taken arms and are preparing in case they have to fight the grasshoppers that we outnumber so greatly. Also the statement about the media having a field day with the satanism links almost sounded like a call out to the media to do such actions. He is right that thousands would be listening and Mike had posted some very interesting IP locations who have been to his site. If violence takes over like he said, it would be them making the first move. If you live in America (I don't, neither does DBS) then you have a right to bare arms so why not bare arms? I don't get that.
QuoteWhen WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me.
This usually happens with people coming clean about what they know. They start off more secretive and once they get comfortable or praise from their listeners they share more information until it's all out in the open. Keep in mind John never had to tell us anything about his past. Also keep in mind that DBS to this day is very secretive considering his position in this movement. I'm not picking sides or anything just stating my opinion on all of this. Off the Grid also isn't a Waco project either.
QuoteAnyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.
Who are you? You see, this is the problem I have with the internet especially from where I am sitting as I don't have administrative rights to this forum. You keep talking pretty much bashing the guy who has put out good material IMO or I wouldn't even be bothering with replying to this post. Yet for the time being, you are seeming as secretive as DBS for a guy complaining about other people being suspicious. Talking about people "looking like Jews to you" is why DBS bashed Hufschmid in one of his recent files. The hypocrisy going on is making me laugh and there is about as much useless drama as a soap opera.
I have many black friends some are quarter black and I'll give you a quick example. 5 brothers all by the same mom and dad, the mom is black but more of a Sudan black if you know what I mean since you have a number of African friends. The dad is half black half white (very light skin) but the black in him is Jamaican. Most of the kids are dark except two. who are light skinned and they are all still 3 quarters black. A quarter black you could look almost white except some features if your mother is the one with the black genes. My sister's child looks about as light as John, my sister is dark like me.
QuoteProthink makes a good target to bring down.
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Once again, who are you? I mix what you just said with DBS saying "Prothink is making some fatal errors, with his work" with him saying Militias in AMERICA where defense is a right isn't the right step, mixed with recorded threats to Hufschmid and I don't end up with a very good assessment of what is going on here. Very strange indeed. The last 7 or so mins of the audio messengers are bashed but then it ends off with "It's about the message and not the messengers", next sentence, let's bash Hufschmid. What I don't get is how DBS' ability to tell the "truth" would be effected by the so called bad choices Mike and John are making if they are countries away from each other. Or how their choices effect DBS' listeners.
You can't really give this movement a black eye at this point in time unless DBS, Hufschmid, Prothink, John and others were to pull a David Shayler. Or they did this (NSFW)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJ_XQ0zdGg If I can talk out in the open now about this kind of thing and people say things like "Yeah eh?, I always had a feeling it came down to them...", the criminals are losing, they know it and their agents are having to tell more of the story they wish they didn't have to. They have to tell this story now due to pressure and fear of losing listeners and at the same time if they tell too much they are in a worse position. Not many exits for them, with the exception of the invisible money changers. We should all be more happy now than we were a year ago and some people are seeming more and more depressed. The Militia angle has these people really re-thinking their strategy IMO and calling on Veterans to join the cause is another blow against them. I'm in a better mood about this truth movement than I was last year and previous years so I just don't understand what is happening here.
Continue seeking the truth wherever it may lead you, pass it with those you know. If the truth seems "hateful" so be it. Why should we submit, be delayed in our efforts with cat fights and continue to have our brothers and sisters die in wars that are financed on both sides by people who see themselves as "god's chosen" and us as beasts. Share your truth with those receptive to such information, don't bother with waking up the whole general public, it is useless. They don't care and will never care, this is why they are called cattle/sheeple. Any creature that wants all its needs provided for, has no rights except those given to them by their masters.
AK3N470N
Quote from: "ForceMultiplication"QuoteHe admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past.
Keen memory.
I find it interesting that DBS praised me on the telephone and then publicly denounces me. This is only to be expected. More will come, to be sure.
I have a number of corrections and rebuttals to make to the statements presented against me and they will come in time. For now, I would like to note that it is interesting that DBS speaks out of complete ignorance when it comes to Satanism and the Church of Satan and compares me to Jeffrey Dahmer. I would expect slander but not such paltry research from a man such as Mr. Smith, who I have unfortunately held in the highest esteem.
For those unaware, Anton Szandor LaVey (real name: Howard Levi [Jew], founder of the Church of Satan (http://churchofsatan.com/) circa 1966, author of The Satanic Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Anton-Szandor-Lavey/dp/0380015390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217043834&sr=8-1) circa 1969) denounces animal and human sacrifice and any such sensationalist evils presented at the pulpit by hysterical so-called Christian preachers who have no actual familiarity with the things they fulminate. Apparently DBS is not aware that there are various sects of Satanism just as there are with Christianity and [LaVey] Satanists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism) are atheistic (neither actually believing in Satan or God, and merely use Satan as a poster icon for a rebellious philosophy based upon Ayn Rand's Objectivism and the words of Nietzsche). Such a statement is not an attack on Mr. Smith as most people are unfamiliar with such facts. Devil Worshipers and those who call themselves "Traditional Satanists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_satanism)" are quite different than [LaVey] Satanists. Additionally, all such sects are different from Luciferianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferian).
For the record,I was a member of the Church of Satan, registered at the age of 17. On the day I sent my membership request to the Church of Satan, LaVey dropped dead (October 29, 1997). Following that I quickly trounced LaVey as a charlatan and assisted in the founding of a non-profit [religious] corporation dedicated to the expansion of Satanism in the two-thousand and third year of the common era; which is the Grand Black Lodge. I have no association to Satanism other than the tattoos that I still bare. Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism). As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars) for starters. The inner priesthood of the Black Lodge has always known that it existed to secretly serve the Christic principle, just as in quite the opposite direction the so-called White Lodge of Freemasonry serves Lucifer. It should be noted that Lutherianism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism were all started by Freemasons, but that's another talk-show. There is a no longer a need for the Black Lodge as it is abundantly clear to an important few and an instrumental many who the enemies of humanity and Christ's teachings really are.
If, as DBS declares, we need "righteous forthrightness and honesty" then I have given it and will continue to do so. I'll be back, but for now I'm trying to complete my time machine so I can go back and tell General George Washington that his involvement with militia groups is detrimental to the future of America. For now. . .
Be careful who you take to the stake. . .you may burn one of your greatest allies.
Esse Est Percipi
E Pluribus Unum
Stay strong,
John
Well explained.
QuoteDon't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.
I find this exceedingly hilarious every time someone says that. I use a $35.00 cam, $25.00 microphone, Sony Vegas, Audacity, Camtasia, Any Video Converter and Photoshop. Mostly, I taught myself how to use each program and I'm not even that good. Simply observing and making mental notes of what makes an appealing YouTube video is where I began. In conjunction with being aware of the attention span of most people and knowing a few things about marketing. Not that many marketing techniques are even used in my videos. I just keep them simple and refrain from obnoxious colors and using a wide variety of pointless transition effects or other video effects. You might notice that the vocals in my present videos have less dead air between them in an attempt to retain people's attention better.
QuoteDBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John.
Hardly a concern, as they would fabricate anything which they could not deliver. Such is the case with Randy Weaver, David Koresh and Adolf Hitler. With present technology to mimic a person's voice, as well as CGI and superior film special effects abilities, if someone is a significant threat to them you might see a video of the person fucking a mule in the middle of Times Square and testifying to an outrageous crack habit while whistling Dixie. All of which can be done with present technology.
Of course, they needn't go to such lengths as the public will generally believe anything so long you put it on television and speak it from the mouth of a news reporter.
If you've ever watched the testimony of Kay Griggs you'll know why many potential allies don't come forward. It is because they blackmail those they put in power and make them fear the day the public finds out who they really are; what they've done. If you want to start silencing insiders then continue DBS's train of thought and concern yourself with the opinions of the largely petty and incompetent general public. A kind of thinking I find alarming considering Mr. Smith's intelligence. The opinions of the public do not matter as they do not shape history or control nations. If they did, America wouldn't be in two wars and working on a third and George Bush and his criminal buddies would be driven out and stoned in the street for being pedophiles and repeatedly committing acts of treason. Those who shape things don't concern themselves with the opinions of the public, and neither do I.
You'll note that the Jew media to this day will badger David Duke for his involvement in the KKK but he hardly concerns himself with it. Is it because Mr. Duke knows that those who will hear his message will hear it no matter who he was or is said to be so long as he speaks from a position of honesty? I would love to see the media trash me, as all publicity is good publicity. Furthermore. . .
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." - John 8:7
QuoteI have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row.
Far too many? I find this silly, and no offense, but most people who say this have never attempted to make a lot of YouTube videos at one time. It takes me six to twelve hours to make a 10 minute video. Keep in mind that several of my videos are chopped into several sections.
The Secret Covenant of Your Owners took two and a half days to produce. It accounts for 14 videos on the YouTube count of my total uploaded videos.
The Sons of Liberty: Guerrilla Warfare Training took a day and a half and accounts for 7 videos. That's 21 videos in a total of four days, and nearly half of the total of what I've produced. Etc.
QuoteWhat did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?
I prefer Internet marketer, but yes, my income is hands free.
QuoteWhen WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?
I've repeatedly said that the off-the-grid project is not an offensive project or anything of the sort. I've also repeatedly said I don't promote violence but only being prepared to deal with violence, but my detractors and other such sensationalists seem to have a way of reframing my words. Once again, this is only to be expected.
If you want to know more about the project all you need to do is ask, or you can visit the website at http://www.ProjectOffTheGrid.com (http://www.projectoffthegrid.com)
As for being in the dark with sunglasses. The glasses are so you don't see that I'm reading from the laptop screen and the darkness both looks cool and gives an air of seriousness to the subject matter. Moreover, my place of residence at the time was dimly lit so I set a lamp on the ground without a lampshade and placed a tinfoil shield behind it. It then gave off the effect you see which I stuck with.
QuoteNow someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.
I took the video down to not dissolve things into a religious debate, plus I could have improved delivery of the information. It is still available via ThePirateBay I believe. I'll probably put something back up that addresses my past, especially if more hysterics, sensationalists and drama queens keep making it a matter of concern. . .as if a past I no longer associate with somehow changes the nature of the information I put forth.
Imagine if I made a video in which a poster of the Star of David is behind me. Can you hear the voices of such people mentioned herein saying, "You see, he is working for the Jews!" Yet at the tail end of the video I move my head and you see that the poster reads "FUCK ISRAEL".
So long as people refuse to come from any other position but one of hysterical fear and overgrown paranoia they will always produce a melee of falsehoods and never see the simple facts for what they are.
Stay strong,
John
"I took the video down to not dissolve things into a religious debate" - Jeeze, I know exactly where you are coming from. I would also add making videos and show is rather time consuming and hectic. Not to mention the research for the shows.
Oops...lemme read page two before I comment. Posted before I saw page two and three.
Lemme say this. I have talked personally with John, and my opinion so far is that him and Mike are two of the most honest I've seen in this movement. HANDS DOWN. DBS, Hufschmid, and Bollyn are a lot of drama. Seems Bollyn started the good info, he got took out, and we're left with Hufschmid and DBS.
John's info is spot on. If it's not, show where. His PUSH to get you off your asses and ready to defend yourself is also SPOT ON. Look, the jews killed 58 million in Russia, 3.5 million in Armenia, and 265 million christians with WWII while they sat safely in their camps. If you don't do something to defend yourself you might as well give it up now.
I pretty much agree with AK3N470N (achin for zion??) 's take on all this. DBS has good info in his books, but he's very cryptic and wants to save too many jews. Hufschmid is a little better because he says don't trust any of them. Not bad advice really, but as intelligent as he is, to hear him push democracy in some of his audios ruins his credibility also. Not to mention how he clings to the idea of superior humans running things....just not superior CRIMINAL humans. Yeah....take those guys with a grain of salt. However John and Mike have both shown they are willing to go the FULL distance in this thing and are pushing hard to get people listening. At the same time they realize that only a few will hear the message, and they are preparing themselves.
At this point...I still listen to DBS, Hufschmid, John, Mike, etc. The only ones I think are trust worthy are John and Mike. Of course, I'm not putting FULL weight in ANYONE but MYSELF and my immediate family. I AM preparing. I AM ARMED and READY to fight. I refuse to go quietly into the night. I ask, and I shall give NO QUARTER to anyone who won't stand with me.
Quote from: "YearOfTheDragon"I pretty much agree with AK3N470N (achin for zion??) 's take on all this. DBS has good info in his books, but he's very cryptic and wants to save too many jews. Hufschmid is a little better because he says don't trust any of them. Not bad advice really, but as intelligent as he is, to hear him push democracy in some of his audios ruins his credibility also. Not to mention how he clings to the idea of superior humans running things....just not superior CRIMINAL humans. Yeah....take those guys with a grain of salt. However John and Mike have both shown they are willing to go the FULL distance in this thing and are pushing hard to get people listening. At the same time they realize that only a few will hear the message, and they are preparing themselves.
It's Akhenaton (A·khe·na·ton). I also see no problem with the more intelligent (superior humans) running things. It would be like a construction site if we narrowed it down to just one trade. General Foreman, Foreman, Sub Foreman, Journeyman and Apprentice. We wouldn't let the apprentices run the job we wish to complete within the time frame and budget allotted. Plus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view. Letting everybody vote when they continue to make horrible repeated decisions is a bad idea so I agree with Hufschmid on that one.
QuotePlus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view.
You may want to rethink that because your talking like an elitist. An educated population could be an intelligent voting population. If we didn't have a dumbed down, bread and circus population and were only better educated and politically active, the system could still work. An educated population of the "general public" would still have an adequate amount of more than qualified voters and potential leaders. Implementing a solid education system where citizens actually read and understood the Constitution for example and it's real intent could have produced the right results which in your mind would be general foreman and foreman. We have been intentionally dumbed down, consumerists and led astray. I think your getting a little bit cocky here. No elitist bullshit please.
this is a great thread.
And I will just say it. While Hufschmid puts out some often useful info, the guy is paranoid, delusional and an elitist. We need friggin unity, and the guy has done more to divide anyone in 'this camp' that I can think of. No one is perfect in this movement, no not one and we would be better off making allies then dividing. Those who do want to divide and cause constant infighting are hurting our cause. Since when did this movement come down to the person and not the truth and moving the info forward. Set aside the egos, lose them and remember your mission. Or do we have one anymore?
John I asked you to come clean on your satanic past, and in a way you did but also in a way you are still flashing satanic stuff, IN PLANE SIGHT, which makes me wonder.................
I will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum" (Out of many one)
I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.
It is also connected to the tower of babel. "Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.
you further write: "Apparently DBS is not aware that there are various sects of Satanism just as there are with Christianity and [LaVey] Satanists are atheistic (neither actually believing in Satan or God, and merely use Satan as a poster icon for a rebellious philosophy based upon Ayn Rand's Objectivism and the words of Nietzsche). "
Can I deduct from this that you fall/fell into this category of satanists? If So, you must by now realize that Both Miss Rand and Mr Nietzsche are both JEW Zionist Nihilists of the worst kind.........
There is of course nothing wrong with being a freedom lover/anarchist, but going into satanism to realize that, is obviously the wrong way.
Now you also write: "I have no association to Satanism other than the tattoos that I still bare. Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism. As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars for starters. "
nr 1 dragging the evil vatican into this to defend one's position is weak at best.
nr 2 Those lovely heroic Cathars were actually Separdic kabbalistic Jews, yup, SEPHARDIC KABBALISTIC JEWS. (read the book "the dying god" for reference).
so in short in your own, unwitting, words you have just equated your belief with Jewish Kabbalism. Satanism is all about kabbalism, but that you knew already.
you also wrote: "If, as DBS declares, we need "righteous forthrightness and honesty" then I have given it and will continue to do so"
In my book you have fallen somewhat short of the so called measure of "righteous forthrightness and honesty". You still appear to have allegiance to Satanic/illuminism, given your revealing "In plane sight" defence/words.
so I will reiterate my previous call upon you to come clean, and truly come up with blows to these illuminists/satanists/kabbalists, instead of flashing "illuminati" stuff in plane sight for those with eyes to see.
YearOfTheDragon wrote:
"At this point...I still listen to DBS, Hufschmid, John, Mike, etc. The only ones I think are trust worthy are John and Mike."
In my book Mike is trustworthy yes, and the jury is still open/out on John.
AK3N470N wrote: "I also see no problem with the more intelligent (superior humans) running things."
1 This is platonic kabbalistic illuminati doctrine + 2 the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?
Quote from: "Rockclimber"QuotePlus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view.
You may want to rethink that because your talking like an elitist. An educated population could be an intelligent voting population. If we didn't have a dumbed down, bread and circus population and were only better educated and politically active, the system could still work. An educated population of the "general public" would still have an adequate amount of more than qualified voters and potential leaders. Implementing a solid education system where citizens actually read and understood the Constitution for example and it's real intent could have produced the right results which in your mind would be general foreman and foreman. We have been intentionally dumbed down, consumerists and led astray. I think your getting a little bit cocky here. No elitist bullshit please.
I don't feel this is an elitist attitude but I am a tradesman (Journeyman Electrician) by career. I didn't feel my Journeyman or my Foreman was "elitist" when I was a 1st year and wasn't allowed to take part in the serious decision making. For I knew I didn't have enough knowledge and my input wouldn't make the entire project more successful.
Suppose we are to win and remove all of the criminals, you are saying that the general public who laughed at us and don't want to learn should be allowed to pick the leaders? In order to educate the entire public to the correct information would take a very long time. They haven't been dumbed down they have been blocked from certain knowledge. But ask yourself one question, what caused you to wake up in the first place? Did someone who was already awake tell you where to go to get knowledge or was it a spark in the back of your mind? For me it was a spark when I was 14 and read a book called Illusions by Richard Bach. In that same year I saw the first Matrix movie and that is what really started my quest. If certain people can see that something is wrong and we are all able to access the same information today, what makes one want to learn more and one want to entertain themselves and only worry about material goods? I have close friends who have told me flat out they believe me but they don't care and "learning boring information is bunk". A re-education process to the point where people thought it was fun to learn (a nation of info-junkies) is a Utopian fantasy IMO. Certain people will always want to learn more, others will want to play. The transition would be a lengthy and possibly frustrating process.
So really ask yourself what made you wake up and howcome you aren't falling for the BS you see on TV. What made you turn your TV off and get on your computer. If the people who are really concerned about running the society did and there was still the entertainment those who wish to play enjoyed, no usury, higher wages and shorter work weeks, would most of the general public bother voting?
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Why? Because in those cities and that Province, profits are booming. You can make 30-$43/hr (benefits added) as a Journeyman Electrician to work slack as compared to $18-$27/hr in Toronto working hard. If things are good for the general public, they don't vote. It isn't about being "elitist".
non est ad astra mollis e terris via *lol at my SATANISM in the open*
Take care,
AK3N470N
again: "the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?"
that is key to illuminism.
Psychopaths are very smart...............
Quote from: "blueocean"again: "the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?"
that is key to illuminism.
Psychopaths are very smart...............
If and when we do remove the criminals, how would you like to see the society run? (This question should almost be a new thread really)
Better to make a new thread for your question. (US constitution and bill of rights did a reasonable job, even though it has been subverted a lot)
Quote from: "blueocean"I will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum" (Out of many one)
I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.
It is also connected to the tower of babel. "Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.
So I take it Jamaica is also a Satanic island because it's motto is: Out of Many One People?
The Portuguese soccer team is also Satanic as it uses that motto.
Or did you stop to think the poster is of mixed race and he is in fact "Out of Many One". You see words can have many meanings. It's best to not throw handfuls of mud hoping something will stick.
Just found this as well:
http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/unum.html (http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/unum.html) (Still want to return to that constitution and Bill of Rights?)
You seem to know a lot about Kabbalistic, Illuministic and Satanic information...
Quote from: "Papillon"Where can I find Koernke??
Thx, Papillon.
http://mp3.wtprn.com/Koernke08.html
Firstly as I am the one here who at this point knows John best. I will explain how I came into contact with him and where I stand now. I happened to come across one of his videos early on when he had his youtube account "WW3NEWS" and after watching the "controlling dissent" one I was highly interested in other work he put out. I sent him an email notifying him I was going to promote his video on my website and that he did a great job. I didn't hear back from him until a few emails later and even then he was hesitant to talk with me and I could detect a sense of suspicion on his part as to who I was. Eventually after he reviewed my work we started some repore as he didn't have the knowledge I had about 9/11 (thanks to the Bollyn, DBS, EH trio and even Ry Dawson) and I didn't have the knowledge on some of the issues he knew about such as the occult as such. We ended up chatting on the phone a few times before he seemed to trust me a little more. We exchanged much knowledge and after I watched the rest of his work it made perfect sense to me that this was the evolution and direction I wanted to take.
After keeping in contact with him I finally invited him up to my area to hang out so I could get to know him better. He had donated $185 a week prior to me offering him to come up so I in turn used that money to purchase him a bus ticket (I offered plane but he preferred to do it "on the cheap"). He arrived up here and we went out and hit a few bars. I live in Milwaukee and its known to be the bar city of America so thats pretty much all there is here except festivals and lakefront. The bus ticket was one way because his employment is internet based ( and I verified it to be legit but wont tell his business other than that) and I am a stay-at-home-dad who fights this none stop off donations and my better half's income, neither one of us had a schedule or deadline. He met a bunch of people here locally who are well aware of this information and John was pretty impressed at the success I was having for this amount of people here informed.
After a week or so others I knew here locally started having suspicion of him and how fast he came onto the scene and how fast he made his '70' videos. This was partly due to how much I pushed his work everywhere early on and the fact that his message was spot on. Although I went against what some people were expressing concerns I used my experienced judgment of character and defended him but not too hard because I still wanted to feel him out and still had some questions of my own. He had a laptop that was on loan and that was what he was using and so I advised he return it and I could arrange for a laptop for him myself. In this period of time he was unable to produce videos do to not having a computer other than mine and that even sparked more people's suspicion that he had psy-op help with his videos. Several weeks later after I failed to come through on a laptop I just advised him to purchase one on his own. Within 24 hours he had his laptop set up the way he wanted with the software needed and produced a video in front of me. His work was similar to his other videos it made perfect sense how he knocked out so many videos like he did.
So at this point I can certainly say he has been doing his videos on his own out of his own time and sacrifice and that his income is legitimately made. After awhile we decided we needed to come up with a solution to these problems. Thats when the Project off the grid came about. I contacted someone on myspace I met that lived in the area and put her in contact with John and let him roll with the idea. He took it on and did his best to get it off the ground. After staying with me and occasionally some of my friends to give my family and I some privacy, for 6 weeks I have been able to see exactly what he has done, who he contacts, and pretty much everything there is to know about him and after this amount of time I would have to conclude that John is genuinely working on the right side and busting his tale to do so. He doesn't have any interest it seems in anything superficial and nor do I. He is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself. By thy fruits you shall know him: it should be pretty clear by his videos and ambition what side he stands on. So Like I said in the beginning of this I guess it is up to me to verify whether I felt he was or not. I might have had questions early on and I might have had issues with some meaningless quirks but I would have to say I would be honored to have him fighting along side me.
As far as DBS goes. I still consider him the in the highest regard in his information and for his efforts in his fight but with that being said no one is 100% right all the time and I would have to disagree with him on this one. I hope this issue will just be swept under the table and we can all fight on the same side. It peeves me that Loose Change, Alex Jones and the rest of that crew get along fine and ridicule us for looking like fools for chicken fighting at each other.
Liberty Or Death.
Mike Delaney
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I'm only going to respond to one thing. I will NOT stand for a country based on "voting"....that is democracy, and demonocracy is pure CRAP. I am all for LOCALLY controlled politics with representatives as the constitution intended (minus the hidden democratic processes, thanks jews and freemason founders) including EXTREMELY CLOSE oversight by ALL citizens of a given local area with the penalty of DEATH hanging VERY CLOSELY over the heads of those who wish to take it upon themselves to help the people by being a representative. The first time one steps out of line, we hang the bastard in the town square until he's stinky, bloated, and full of holes from birds and insects. Government MUST be held accountable, and EVERY citizen who wishes to be FREE MUST BE DILLIGENT in watching said govt and representatives. Complicity would be reason for PERMANENT EXILE of the entire bloodline.
Again, the voting is bullshit. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. I don't support any "elite" group running things. AVERAGE citizens with families to care for should run their OWN govt. with the same love they give their household or they're just shitting in the hen house. Small, tight, LOCAL control in the hands of THE PEOPLE. NOT some self proclaimed elite group who is better than the rest. Nobody is better...we all bleed and die the same and like I've said here numerous times....EVERYBODY has to sleep some time.
I think people are taking things further than need be on John's account. Call him and talk to him if you want. He's a regular guy who's dabbled in this or that like any of us did as teenagers. Hell, I used to dabble with the Ouija board and other crap, but I'm not satanist or freak. (btw, those things are dangerous, lol)
QuoteJohn I asked you to come clean on your satanic past, and in a way you did but also in a way you are still flashing satanic stuff, IN PLANE SIGHT, which makes me wonder.................
Your post is exactly the kind of paranoid delusional nonsense that I have repeatedly warned others about.
QuoteI will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum" (Out of many one) I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.
E Pluribus Unum is penned to my post because
only when we are together will we be able to defeat our Owners. You clearly don't understand the meaning of the Fasci and do not seem to grasp that both positive and so-called negative symbols are used by well-meaning good guys and evil doers alike. Is an upside-cross evil or is it the cross of Saint Peter? Does an owl tattoo mean a person is a member of Bohemian Grove or does the person just likes owls? Does a pyramid on a construction company logo mean they're Illuminati or did they use it because a triangle represents strength?
Quote"Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.
Really? Is it Satanic to insist on strength through unity? Is it Satanic to point out that it is our division that forms our weakness?
QuoteThere is of course nothing wrong with being a freedom lover/anarchist, but going into satanism to realize that, is obviously the wrong way.
Really? There are two ultimate figures of rebellion: Satan and Christ. The Christians are a bit lacking these days in the area of rebellion and instead opt to be sheep led to slaughter in decadent churches erected to material lust. It makes perfect sense that a youth would be attracted to a philosophically heavy and intellectually rebellious religion. I would hardly call it the wrong way, as nearly any experience can be beneficial. Where outsiders speak of knowing the path I walked,
I actually walked it.
Quotenr 1 dragging the evil vatican into this to defend one's position is weak at best.
This is a prime example of limited, paranoid, and defensive fear-based thinking. My sentence is hardly structured in a way that supports your claim that I am "dragging the evil vatican into this" to defend my position. The Vatican was merely mentioned in passing but since your mind is operating on a infantile reptilian reactionary level such clarity will continue to escape you.
Quotenr 2 Those lovely heroic Cathars were actually Separdic kabbalistic Jews, yup, SEPHARDIC KABBALISTIC JEWS. (read the book "the dying god" for reference). so in short in your own, unwitting, words you have just equated your belief with Jewish Kabbalism. Satanism is all about kabbalism, but that you knew already.
Regardless of what you believe of the Cathars, they were mentioned as merely one sect of Gnostics. I never claimed to mirror their beliefs but your delusions and sensationalist hysteria certainly offers that I have.
QuoteIn my book you have fallen somewhat short of the so called measure of "righteous forthrightness and honesty". You still appear to have allegiance to Satanic/illuminism, given your revealing "In plane sight" defence/words.
so I will reiterate my previous call upon you to come clean, and truly come up with blows to these illuminists/satanists/kabbalists, instead of flashing "illuminati" stuff in plane sight for those with eyes to see.
I have no desire to entertain paranoid whelps. You have little understanding of the things you profess the ability to detect. Your mindset will continue to devise "clues" for my allegiances in the most insignificant details. Therefore, like the Jew, away with you.
Regards,
John
QuoteHe is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.
Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.
seriously, great thread. :)
This is a very interesting thread. Thank you John and Mike for clarifying a few things. As far as who I am, I really can't afford to put myself out in the open. I'm not a very important person but I could be googled up, let me put it that way. The company I work for has freemason logo type stuff going on. It is easier to be brave when you have nothing to lose.
I can understand why DBS keeps his privacy secure because there is no doubt his info is pretty much the best out there, especially the financial stuff which keeps ringing true. I really hope his site stays online.
John, you made a valid point. I have not tried to make multiple youtube videos in one sitting before. Given the detail of Mike's post it looks like he has done quite a bit to check out your motivations.
I don't have any problems with any of the questions I have asked or implications I have made in my previous post and likewise I dont have any problems with what DBS said in the podcast. Really, there should be a lot of questions about this project off the grid stuff. I've only seen the vids on Prothink's site which are obviously promoting it.
Quote from: "ForceMultiplication"QuoteHe is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.
Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.
Ok that's my favorite post of all time. :lol: I wasn't sure if you were alright before, now i'm sure of it.
This is definitely one of the better threads that I have read in quite some time. Lots of different ideas and views of society in general. I do not disagree with any of these view points except for the extreme paranoia going on by some. I can understand the paranoia felt by Mike to John and by John to Mike because they made the next step to actually meet in person. When this transition happens one is putting their trust and well being on the line. Especially when one is taking a plane or bus to go to stay at someones house that you only know through your quest for truth. Christopher Bollyn comes to mind. In this type of event dis-trust would be acceptable. If Mike feels John is legitimate to the cause and at this point only Mike knows John on a face to face basis, why is it of concern to those who have never met John to care so deeply about his past?
I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate those who place themselves on a pedestal where there is guaranteed ridicule, but such people who make the choice to become leaders and who produce information and presentations that I can distribute locally can only be commended for their efforts. From my standpoint, it doesn't matter and has never mattered what someones past is when they create work I can pass onto others. Johns style of making youtube videos when I send them to others, they result has been consistent that they want to see more. Mixing cold hard truth that one can google up as they watch the video spliced with humour is what catches peoples attention. I'm not sure how someone can say you produce too much of anything unless what they are producing is garbage. If you have a problem with the message someone is saying that is acceptable but wanting to know everything about someones past when you have not and maybe will never personally meet them is a waste of time IMO.
How do you approach people on the street when you are trying to wake them up, if you are successful what if the person you woke up has a "dark past"?
In the western world especially America it makes perfect sense to be suspicious of any member to the opposing faction which is preparing to enslave us. Guilty till they prove themselves innocent if that is how you want to view it. But to worry about every persons past as well as examine all members from the network we are up against, I have no time to do that.
If all the blackmailed politicians were to turn on their masters in mass and spill VERY useful info do we worry that they may have been member to a secret society or do we take their information and use it against the people they have blown the whistle on?
We always say that we wish someone from the inside would turn because that is the easiest way for us to win. I have contact with a Jewish person who knows what I know on this subject but feels the entire perception of Judaism presented to us is polluted. This person only cares for the Torah but I read somewhere not sure in this forum or the comment section of Prothink's site that Torah Jews can't be trusted and look at gentiles in disgust. This Jew doesn't see me in disgust and has used one of my quotes for her "great book of quotes" as she calls it. There are Jews awake and Jews who are anti-Zionist, anti-Pharisaic/anti-Talmudic but how do we reach these people when we are always saying Zionist-Jew this, Jew that etc? They don't want to hear it because it is insulting to them (doesn't speak for them and lumps them together) but they continue to learn about the crimes by going to truth seekers who don't use those words. I have even been suckered into this training of thought and it wasn't until very recently (my first post in this thread would have been changed) that she explained this to me. Does this now mean I am an agent who is working with Jews? :evil: :twisted: J00?
It is sad that AJ and Loose Change group can get along and we can't even get through a basic thread without bickering and highly paranoid delusions. I will leave with this. Those of you who want to be suspicious of peoples pasts, be suspicious of everyone's past and who everyone is that either makes videos/documentaries or does radio shows. If you don't want to have that double standard then just worry about the information that the person is sharing with you.
AK3N470N
QuoteI have contact with a Jewish person who knows what I know on this subject but feels the entire perception of Judaism presented to us is polluted. This person only cares for the Torah but I read somewhere not sure in this forum or the comment section of Prothink's site that Torah Jews can't be trusted and look at gentiles in disgust. This Jew doesn't see me in disgust and has used one of my quotes for her "great book of quotes" as she calls it. There are Jews awake and Jews who are anti-Zionist, anti-Pharisaic/anti-Talmudic but how do we reach these people when we are always saying Zionist-Jew this, Jew that etc? They don't want to hear it because it is insulting to them (doesn't speak for them and lumps them together) but they continue to learn about the crimes by going to truth seekers who don't use those words. I have even been suckered into this training of thought and it wasn't until very recently (my first post in this thread would have been changed) that she explained this to me. Does this now mean I am an agent who is working with Jews? :evil: :twisted: J00?
Well said. For the True Torah "Jews", one thing we need to understand is Torah can mean the Pentateuch, it can mean the Tanakh as well, or it can mean Talmud as well. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... n_Law.html (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/The_Written_Law.html)
These guys at the three sites of Jews against Zionism, have the Talmud in reference to certain things on their site. This is the reason to be weary. How do we know they don't use all the teachings while putting up a false front that they only use the "Torah" - of which is implied the Tanakh. Do a search on their site and you will see they reference the Talmud, and hold it in esteem. As far as I am concerned they are deceptive in their claim that they are "True Torah Jews". They make it seem like the Talmud says good things, while failing to mention the clearly bad things in it... if they follow and hold the Talmud is such high regard on par at the same level as the original Torah (Tanakh), how can they ignore the commentaries and tractates of the evil therein?
...will live striving for holiness secure in faith awaiting the true Moshiach led by pious sages ruled by Torah and Talmud trusting in G'd.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/nyt/nyt041972.html (http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/nyt/nyt041972.html)
First let me explain the relationship of the Torah and the Talmud, so you understand that they are both equally revered by all Orthodox Jews without exception.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about ... temNo=1052 (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1052)
You mention the Talmud. Let me alert you to the fact that we and all Orthodox Jews accept the authority of the Talmud.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about ... temNo=1047 (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1047)
So is your friend a follower of the Pentateuch Torah, the Tanakh Torah, or the whole of Written and Oral Law and calls it Torah? Yes Judaism is polluted. It has been controlled and warped. That is why we need to be cautious when dealing with people who pretend to follow only a certain canon, but when we look deeper we find they are lying. Given my research, I would not trust a majority of the Orthodox "Jews", and I wouldn't trust anyone who is in the halachic tradition.
But for anyone to blindly caste all "Jews" into the same pot when they don't adhere to any religious or hateful philosophy is egregious. Yes they can have a level of tribal loyalty due to their ignorance, but so do many non-"Jews", would we be so quick to cast them aside as well for their ignorance? We have to be better than the enemy, more caring, more respectful of life and the mistakes everyone makes in being deceived, non-"Jews" and "Jews" alike. To treat dupes and idiots as being culpable on the same level as the true criminals is a huge fallacy. Be cautious always, but when judging comes, judge rightly.
That is where I stand.
Peace.
QuoteYour post is exactly the kind of paranoid delusional nonsense that I have repeatedly warned others about.
Strong words, for someone who still hasn't come clean on his past as a founder of a satanic sect. Twice I have asked you to come clean, by this I mean: 1 tell us what your believes were and are and that of the satanic sect. 2 what practices 3 symbology 4 goals 5 etc etc. Simply saying: "yeah I was founder of a satanic sect" tells Not much.
Placing a person in the corner with using words like "paranoid delusional nonsense" is the same type of wording mainstream media would use to describe this forum and it's members. Come to think of it, they would describe satanism as "delusional nonsense" and those who oppose satanism as "paranoids" .
QuoteE Pluribus Unum is penned to my post because only when we are together will we be able to defeat our Owners. You clearly don't understand the meaning of the Fasci and do not seem to grasp that both positive and so-called negative symbols are used by well-meaning good guys and evil doers alike. Is an upside-cross evil or is it the cross of Saint Peter? Does an owl tattoo mean a person is a member of Bohemian Grove or does the person just likes owls? Does a pyramid on a construction company logo mean they're Illuminati or did they use it because a triangle represents strength?
I know all about the "Double" meaning of symbols. An old friend of mine continously hammered me on this, we started out with great ideals yet further along the road he adopted illuminati-elitist doctrine and phylosophy more and more until in the end the original ideals were completely snowed under and he called for goverment under the "electi" / "perfecti" .
Following your train of thought regarding symbols and it's use by companies it is all a coincidence and nothing to worry about, and if you do worry then you are paranoid. That is Exactly the message/mind control that is constantly being broadcasted by mainstream media : "move along there is nothing here to see".
I say: If you do use symbols one has to be EXTRA aware and make sure it is positive, and tell other people: "yes I am aware that this symbol is also used negatively (if so) BUT I intend to use it in a positive manner and disempower the negative use of it. Only focusing on the positive side and ignoring negative use doesn't cut it and leaves one open to manipulation.
Talmudic Kabbalists will tell people all about the the six pointed Seal of solomon and how it is all Rosy and Dandy and that there is nothing to it. "Nothing here to see, move along" Those who do point out are of course paranoid.
QuoteReally? Is it Satanic to insist on strength through unity? Is it Satanic to point out that it is our division that forms our weakness?
I say it is not satanic to insist on strength through unity. It is not Satanic to point out that it is our division that forms our weakness.
The story of Satan (some call it a fable) rebelling against god has been a great recruitment tool to lure people into secret societies and subvert their thinking and moving them outside of the law and into lawlesness. I call it PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION. 1 Create a fake tyranical psychopathic God and religion 2 good people will rebel and ask for a solution to this enslavement 3 Create the desired Fake solution and subvert people's ideals for Freedom, unity, Love etc.
the word "OPPOSAMES" also comes to mind.
QuoteReally? There are two ultimate figures of rebellion: Satan and Christ. The Christians are a bit lacking these days in the area of rebellion and instead opt to be sheep led to slaughter in decadent churches erected to material lust. It makes perfect sense that a youth would be attracted to a philosophically heavy and intellectually rebellious religion. I would hardly call it the wrong way, as nearly any experience can be beneficial. Where outsiders speak of knowing the path I walked, I actually walked it.
The Talmudic Jews, such as Ralph Ellis, are united in their effort to Merge Christ and Satan into ONE. Read the talmud were Jesus is Equated with Balaam. Ralph Ellis and other current day talmudists do the same Uniting Jesus with the Anti-Christ aka Balaam/Dajal/Satan (as I understand it, your definition of satan obviously differs from mine).
I say: Rebellion against Tyranny is excellent but don't fall into a problem-reaction-solution trap, for that is a yellow brick road....................
"nr 1 dragging the evil vatican into this to defend one's position is weak at best."
QuoteThis is a prime example of limited, paranoid, and defensive fear-based thinking. My sentence is hardly structured in a way that supports your claim that I am "dragging the evil vatican into this" to defend my position. The Vatican was merely mentioned in passing but since your mind is operating on a infantile reptilian reactionary level such clarity will continue to escape you.
But why out of the blue start mentioning the vatican to make a point? I reacted to this because It is mostly "it's the Vatican, it's the jesuits" followers who talk about the vatican all the time. And also the vatican is used all the time by Jews and and lovers/adeherents to freemasonry and the knights templar.
I also say that the vatican is fucked up, but I am also getting more data lately that in the past the vatican has actually been an obstacle to "the new Jew Order" .
"nr 2 Those lovely heroic Cathars were actually Separdic kabbalistic Jews, yup, SEPHARDIC KABBALISTIC JEWS. (read the book "the dying god" for reference). so in short in your own, unwitting, words you have just equated your belief with Jewish Kabbalism. Satanism is all about kabbalism, but that you knew already."
QuoteRegardless of what you believe of the Cathars, they were mentioned as merely one sect of Gnostics. I never claimed to mirror their beliefs but your delusions and sensationalist hysteria certainly offers that I have.
Let me remind you of what YOU said: "Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism. As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars for starters. "
You said your belief is Christian Gnosticism and that such a belief is quite the enemy of the VATICAN. Reference the Cathars for starters.
So I am delusional AND sensationalist hysteria in claiming that your beliefs mirror their beliefs? Mmmmmmmm.
QuoteI have no desire to entertain paranoid whelps. You have little understanding of the things you profess the ability to detect. Your mindset will continue to devise "clues" for my allegiances in the most insignificant details. Therefore, like the Jew, away with you.
Paranoid whelps? using your own words to deduct that your belief is Christian Gnosticism which mirrors that of Cathars?
Yup, sorry for being so paranoid . Sorry for using your own words as clues for your allegiances.
Therefore, like the Jew, away with you? sorry, such bully tactic/wording doesn't work.
Mike told in his post that you only recently came to the 911, and also zionist information, and that you both helped each other out with sharing info.
I have noticed time and time again that people are exellent at pointing out the faults in other doctrines/religions etc etc., but do not want to address the skeletons in their own closet/beliefs. This goes for Jews, muslims, christians, satanists etc etc etc..
I say: go search for the skeletons in your own beliefs, whether that be Satanism, Christian gnositicism or whatever.
regards,
Blue
QuoteI say: go search for the skeletons in your own beliefs, whether that be Satanism, Christian gnositicism or whatever.
Great advice! Meanwhile back on the farm, farmer Jones prepares his instruments of death to cull the heard. When one of the animals suggests that the WHOLE RELIGIOUS PARADIGM IS PROBLEMATIC AND CAN NOT BE ASSERTED WITH ANY objective knowing- the animals resort to chanting "Jesus good Satan bad" And the whole process devolves into pointless accusations and innuendos. Sadly, one can not side step this turd patty. (please see countless Gordzilla posts on my off tangent show threads)
Lets keep this simple:
Contribute with information!
Let people decide on the information individually.
John and Prothink contribute to our understanding of the problem and have spearheaded some solutions. Bravo!
Thank you Men.
Cheers,
Latin
one last comment- I disagree with many of their (prothink and John) conclusions but support their activism! THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING!
"Lets keep this simple:
Contribute with information!
Let people decide on the information individually.'
Yes please, especially the "let people decide" bit. And if it contains the word 'God' or 'Satan' this doesn't discount it as being info, after all it seems all agree the Kabala is imbedded with Satanism, and what is Satan without God?
Of course there is something to be learned by exploring this avenue, do not right it off completely. Everything they're about is about 'Satan', I only suggested getting closer to God just may be a great defense (as it has been before).
But don't worry Latin, I've said about all I'll say on the topic (unless provoked ;) ), but in the mean time check this post from Khanverse's forum, this guy seems to get it too;
http://khanverse.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=948 (http://khanverse.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=948)
-Gord
Interesting interview by Dan Tatman:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... an-pt2.mp3 (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/07jul/RICR-080724-dtatman-pt2.mp3)
Especially start listening at min 18:00 until min 19:00. He talks about psyops. and the occult.
This should be interesting, thanks.
Ill check out that show thanks blueocean.
The Occult and the secret service agencies (Mossad, Mi5, Mi6, Cia, etc etc etc.) Are like two hands on one body, or the double headed eagle with ONE body.
examples: Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Crowley, L. Ron Hubard, Jack Parsons, Michael Aquino and many many many others.
In the past Crypto jews would join the Vatican or other churches/sects/cults to study the occult and get their hands on occult books/information.
This is from my contact in Israel that I am talking about with regards to Hebrew, Talmud etc.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7-WlXu9_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7-WlXu9_8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBs485U9h4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBs485U9h4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2hyM0-uGI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2hyM0-uGI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkg8b04DWc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkg8b04DWc0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2M8ZIBP_r (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2M8ZIBP_r)
You can message her and ask questions that you may have. I asked her if she would be OK with me placing these here and she said sure. Ask away I guess. I have my questions.
Yes I've spoken to her, she's wide awake, we need more like her. Good videos.
Hey "AK3N470N" !
If this is your 'source' from Israhell then you are in a real bad situation...
Seriously: Your ashkenazi ancestors were much more diabolic, insane and disgusting than this, it seems like this khazar generation is very weak...
Back then they really knew how to swindle the "stupid goyim"!!...
Please provide us with some more videos like that! So the readers could see how rotten, depraved, miserable and fraudulent you are!
Another polish ashkenazi nutcase trying to sell the "stupid goyim" she is Sephardi.... and in such a way... not even a bug will buy this sour pipe thing...
Please! anyone who didn't see it yet, please take a look! it's in part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU)
...and to foster animosity and problems to make a living of both sides blood.... as usual...
That is what you are, criminal blood sucking leaches, you have no capacity to gain something in an honorable and honest way, that is all you are. Now get up off the computer in the zionist pasture you are located now and look at yourself in the mirror. Face your depravity, yourself, and acknowledge what you are.
what does she mean about the car accidents near the empire state building
Quote from: "imsamhi"Hey "AK3N470N" !
If this is your 'source' from Israhell then you are in a real bad situation...
Seriously: Your ashkenazi ancestors were much more diabolic, insane and disgusting than this, it seems like this khazar generation is very weak...
Back then they really knew how to swindle the "stupid goyim"!!...
Please provide us with some more videos like that! So the readers could see how rotten, depraved, miserable and fraudulent you are!
Another polish ashkenazi nutcase trying to sell the "stupid goyim" she is Sephardi.... and in such a way... not even a bug will buy this sour pipe thing...
Please! anyone who didn't see it yet, please take a look! it's in part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU)
...and to foster animosity and problems to make a living of both sides blood.... as usual...
That is what you are, criminal blood sucking leaches, you have no capacity to gain something in an honorable and honest way, that is all you are. Now get up off the computer in the zionist pasture you are located now and look at yourself in the mirror. Face your depravity, yourself, and acknowledge what you are.
What??
NIce name by the way. I am Sam was mentally challenged and your post I've read I'm not sure how many time but even in this early hour, you make little to no sense. Either your post is to her or it is to me. If it starts as being to me but carries on with her, then send her your thoughts. I'm not in a bad situation.
Look at yourself in the mirror, see the person looking back at you. Read what people write or say so that you can do the same in a manner that they can comprehend. It really is people like you who would give this movement a black eye should you be in a position to publicly speak.
Oh no. My comments in this forum have been used in John's http://www.forcemultiplication.com (http://www.forcemultiplication.com) website. I have been shamed...well not really. It's kind of funny.
Quote from: "ForceMultiplication"QuoteHe is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.
Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.
LMFAO!!!!!!
Quote from: "ForceMultiplication"QuoteHe is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.
Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.
HA! Thats funny... I really like this guy... I don't doubt him... ;)
The info is spot on and I have to thank you for getting me hooked on the Intelligence Report. Mark does a good job with informing people (from a militia point of view)....
Quote from: "AK3N470N"This is from my contact in Israel that I am talking about with regards to Hebrew, Talmud etc.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7-WlXu9_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7-WlXu9_8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRu-FrWXzU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBs485U9h4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBs485U9h4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2hyM0-uGI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2hyM0-uGI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkg8b04DWc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkg8b04DWc0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2M8ZIBP_r (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2M8ZIBP_r)
You can message her and ask questions that you may have. I asked her if she would be OK with me placing these here and she said sure. Ask away I guess. I have my questions.
Whenever I have mentioned the Talmud, people have said things like "yeah but thats an ancient book, no one takes much notice of that" when I brought up the part in the Talmud about, well I won't even say it but it involves 3 year old kids. The response is that Jews do not really follow all that Talmudic stuff now - like in the bible it has "fire and brimstone" etc, odd bits of evil here and there, especially god in the 1st testament.
So my question is - how relevant is the Talmud today in Jewish circles?
Is the Talmud as important to Jewish people as the bible is to Christians or is it not comparable?
Some "Jews" are openly Orthodox, they use the Talmud.
Some "Jews" are closet Talmud adherants.
Some "Jews" are religious but don't follow Talmudic teachings
Some "Jews" are only culturally/tribally "Jewish".
Some "Jews" are only "Jews" by their so-called racial identification.
Quote from: "aZiXx"Some "Jews" are openly Orthodox, they use the Talmud.
Some "Jews" are closet Talmud adherants.
Some "Jews" are only culturally/tribally "Jewish".
Some "Jews" are only "Jews" by their so-called racial identification.
Yup , just hard to gauge how many of each because of that hidden variable, the 'closet' part. Marado (sp?) and Sayanim numbers are next to impossible to know.
-Gord
I do agree that when you look at the facts, all the main guys running things are Jewish.
Thing is they support the Zionist "political ideology" which is what makes them criminals.
Its a fine line I suppose between "Jews run the world" and "Criminals who happen to be Jewish, run the world".
Like so many have said before - Rothschild helped to kill Jews in WW2 because Rothschild funded Hitler.
The Talmud Today
After reciting the denunciations and condemnation of the Talmud down throught the centuries, Rodkinson, in his in troduction to the Talmud, states:
"Such was the past of the Talmud which we hope will never be repeated. Now a glance at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one.
"The colleges for the study of the Talmud are increasing almost in every place where Israel dwells, especially in this country where millions are gathered for the funds of the two great colleges, the Hebrew Union College of Cincinnati and the Jewish Theological Seminary of America in New York, in which the chief study is the Talmud and its post-Talmudical literature."
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/ch ... lmud_Today (http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html#The_Talmud_Today)
This was written early in the present century. Is what Rodkinson wrote true today?
The answer is "yes." Not only are Hebrew Union College of Cincinnati and the Jewish Theological Seminary of America more active than ever, but a network of schools to teach the Talmud to young Jews now exists from coast to coast.
[page 30] For example, in the Chicago area, the Associated Talmud Torahs of Chicago oversees some 57 schools where the Talmud is taught to young Jews, commencing with their tender years.
If you are told by anyone that the Jewish Talmud is merely ancient history concerning Judaism, don't be fooled. The Talmud is present-day Judaism and without it so-called Judaism would not exist.
Taken from
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html (http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html)
So they still use it today and its still got all the pedo stuff in it and stuff about everyone but Jews being inferior?
Nice.
Shouldn't the Talmud be banned in today's society? If black people or Chinese people had such vile material and were studying it, something would be done. They ban plenty of books that are less vile.
Holocau$t™ is one reason why "Jews" are the untouchables.
indeed. and i might add, even if this madness wasnt being taught today so rampantly as it appears, you still would have to understand that the ones in control, the ones doing all this work, it certainly is relevant.
Chertoff's Father and I believe Uncle are both Talmudic Scholars so I imagine they take it seriously. It would be pretty silly to right it off as "ancient text" because these people's actions speak for themselves and no a Jew isn't going to inform you that they follow those supremacist teaching and that they really think of you and a GOY P.O.S. This would be equivalent to a Klansman walking into the black ghetto and admitting he hates blacks. Here is Bollyn's take on Chertoff's family:
[youtube:36q8t0l1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9cn8m1j-wo[/youtube]36q8t0l1]
good point
Great to hear Ogg & DBS speak out on and oppose these civilian call to arms/militia camp ideas. I agree that this will only work against the people.
what should everyone do? i think everyone who disagrees with this fight thing should then suggest some other possible ways to deal with this. ppl cant just do nothing, so if u dont think u should bear arms and fight these ppl, then what should be done.
who the hell is there to fight?
there are armed bureaucracies tier upon tier wholly subservient to the Monsters
look @ iran's revolution, no one "fought."
it was massive civil disobedience and the shah, possibly the most brutal dictator in the muslim world EVER, stuck his tail between his legs and RAN.
and don't tell me iranians don't have 'fight' in them cuz in the iran-iraq war foisted by zionists upon muslims, SWARMS of thousands of 15-19 year old iranians were running up on tanks...
WITH STICKS!
how many americans do you know willing to do THAT for their country?
germans?
french?
pardon me if i'm not gonna jump in the ocean without a lifejacket...
It's one thing to get trained to DEFEND your family from AGGRESSION, it's quite another to talk about armed revolt against an amorphous enemy who has billions of dollars in avant garde military equipment.
yea, i'll have my guns and i'll train my children, but i'm not joining anyone else and allowing their agenda to manipulate mine, nor am I willing to ally myself with anyone who has little to no discipline and trusting them with my life.
all this we're gonna fight with guns and win shit is goofy as hell...
get some hydrogen bombs and the means to deploy them simultaneously and THEN maybe you can start issuing threats to an intergenerational ensconced power structure.
dont get me wrong with my question i dont think everyone should go join a militia and fight. im just asking the question from a neutral stand point. im in canada for one, but even if i were in the states i wouldnt be joining any armed group to try and take on the united states military, etc.
basicaly lets get some ideas and answers here. if everyone isnt gonna trake up arms and fight these ppl, then what are we gonna do. keep on with the information wars, keep informing as many as we can... but what if that isnt enough, or backfires on us. what if there just isnt enough ppl who give a shit.
i often think of a situation where so many ppl just say whatever, i like the way my life is and the way the system is, i dont want it to change. i bet theres lots and lots of dummies who would rather just passivly accept whats going on, even if they were to learn the truth. because they are both lazy and dumb. im scared from time to time that there just isnt gonna be enough ppl who give a shit. so what are we gonna do if we find this problem. what if we can inform as many ppl as we want, but it turns out that its still not enough.