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QuoteOver past several years many researcher have suggested that they have a firm grasp of history. Most awaken persons scoff at the limited knowledge of those we collectively call the MASSES or the sheepeople. But very few of us question our own assumptions and we take for granted that we know enough to have a general grasp of many of the problems the world faces. However, very few of have ventured into this topic because of its taboo nature and the corrosive effect it has on deeply seated notions of history and beliefs. This is part one of an uncompleted collaboration between my friend John Savage and myself. If there is interest we may continue to discuss this rather bizarre topic- History in future shows. We hope that this will spark your curiosity. LAV
Note: I count seven faces in the painting and five nudes. There a few other things also. How many faces and nudes do you see?
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/bzfny6 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/bzfny6)
Being Latin (http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savage/BS-shows/BS-56-beinglatin-may20th09.mp3)
It's nice to see you are still active Latin. I really appreciate all the efforts you make to keep the good fight going, along with all the truth warriors here at TIU. I have almost all of your past audios, and all of the "BeingSavage" shows too. Both of you deserve all my respect. Keep them coming gentlemen.
Nice one gentlemen, downloading now
Good to have LaV doing audios again :D
good show guys, like the 1984 clips, plese do some more!
Quote from: "Aztec_Ghost"It's nice to see you are still active Latin. I really appreciate all the efforts you make to keep the good fight going, along with all the truth warriors here at TIU. I have almost all of your past audios, and all of the "BeingSavage" shows too. Both of you deserve all my respect. Keep them coming gentlemen.
Thank you. Our hope was to give food for thought. Although not included in the audio, we postulate that there are various groups with there own historical time lines. Consider this: 911 has created to alternative histories or two time lines. The government sanction fairy tale or various unverified alternative accounts. Think of the psychological impact this has on the believers of these divergent accounts. Think about the cost in
Blood and treasure this has had in the Middle east. Anyway, History is complicated. ;)
Quote from: "Ognir"Nice one gentlemen, downloading now
Good to have LaV doing audios again :D
Thank you. I am still writing my book. I have about 90 pages written so many audios may no be possible. But thank you for the compliments.
Quote from: "memory hole"good show guys, like the 1984 clips, plese do some more!
Orwell is an interesting fellow. He was a child of a high ranking administrator in India. He Kings Scholar at Eaton College where we was tutoured in French J. Huxley. He was a propagandist. He wrote the fourth great dystopian novel compared to Huxley's
brave new world. Orwell work was published by
Warburg press. 1984 was censored in America. Doubtful we has ever seen the author's Original work.
congratulations - another wonderful show, especially wonderful.
btw, quit listening to hate mail about BS#11 - that one was exceptional too.
Could we please get LAV's shows posted here?
He used sendspace and similar services and the files have all expired.
I ran through the LAV threads recently (a show I missed)
and found I could not download any of the shows.
apparently he has a file section like you have (speaking to John)
I guessed - http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/ (http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/)
yet the audio directory does not contain the show files
but merely some ancillary files he must have posted in reference
again - a wonderful show
(John, I have half-written a promising article to explain some things we've discussed privately - which I think make sense to the show - and which relate to Fomenko and his description of Byzantium... so I'll post it in a thread here somewhere - I have some AF book four scans to go with it too.)
Quote from: "keeptruthfree"congratulations - another wonderful show, especially wonderful.
btw, quit listening to hate mail about BS#11 - that one was exceptional too.
Could we please get LAV's shows posted here?
He used sendspace and similar services and the files have all expired.
I ran through the LAV threads recently (a show I missed)
and found I could not download any of the shows.
apparently he has a file section like you have (speaking to John)
I guessed - http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/ (http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/)
yet the audio directory does not contain the show files
but merely some ancillary files he must have posted in reference
again - a wonderful show
(John, I have half-written a promising article to explain some things we've discussed privately - which I think make sense to the show - and which relate to Fomenko and his description of Byzantium... so I'll post it in a thread here somewhere - I have some AF book four scans to go with it too.)
Thank you. John and I have enough information to complete the second half of the show. The second part deals with A little more of Scaliger and his methods of history fabrication. Fomenko et al how they have developed methods of analysis for the current historical model. Limitations to the model and limitations on our knowledge. And Finally over arching conclusions about the fate of humanity.
John Savage and Latin ask themselves how in Treblinka II
could 850,000 people have been exterminated, without a
trace? where's the biomass? 99,5% of these were Jews.
I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
I am not sure that answers the question what happened to the bio-mass? How much diesel fuel did it take to murder those people? Why would the Germans choose gas over bullets in a time time when fuel was short? Additionally once the people where gassed then who or how was the bio-mass transported from point A to point point B?
Here is another interesting point: Where the pigs you processed on hooks and a conveyor belt? Another point is how wide spread was the use of chain saws during WWII? Again where is the beef ?
QuoteAndreas Stihl - Father of the Modern Chainsaw
In 1926, German mechanical engineer, Andreas Stihl patented the "Cutoff Chain Saw for Electric Power". Born in 1896, Andreas Stihl founded a company that manufactured steam boiler prefiring systems in Stuttgart, Germany. In 1929, Stihl patented the first gasoline-powered chainsaw called the tree-felling machine. These were the first successful patents for hand-held mobile chainsaws designed for woodcutting. Andreas Stihl is most frequently credited as being the inventor of the mobile and motorized chainsaw. He invented what we today recognize as being the modern chainsaw.
I think the point of The treblinka example was that with every story there should be a way to scientifically prove it true, false or unknowable.
Quote from: "rmstock"I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
2500 pigs a day :? very unlikely
on another note: Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site? :evil: :shock:
Quote from: "blueocean"Quote from: "rmstock"I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
2500 pigs a day :? very unlikely
on another note: Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site? :evil: :shock:
Another point; this pigs are
CONSUMED , the bodies at Treblinka were assumed not to have been consumed. So if you had to bury or burn 850,000 pigs a year, where would the bodies go, if not consumed? How about the ash and bones? (and remember the Germans allegedly only used wood to burn the dead, then they buried the ashes and bones)
There's no comparison to be made here, between the two, except that Talmudic Jews are very comparable to pigs. ;)
Quote from: "GordZilla"Quote from: "blueocean"Quote from: "rmstock"I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
2500 pigs a day :? very unlikely
on another note: Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site? :evil: :shock:
Another point; this pigs are CONSUMED , the bodies at Treblinka were assumed not to have been consumed. So if you had to bury or burn 850,000 pigs a year, where would the bodies go, if not consumed? How about the ash and bones? (and remember the Germans allegedly only used wood to burn the dead, then they buried the ashes and bones)
There's no comparison to be made here, between the two, except that Talmudic Jews are very comparable to pigs. ;)
Ole' Gordo makes an interesting point the German allegedly used wood to cremate the bodies. How much wood would it take to render 850,000 human beings to ashes? Again the point is to think critically of the official fiction. The real point of all this is to perceive that the official story line is merely a model of the past. It is not the past itself. And those familiar with the conspiracy are fully aware that at any given point in time particular interest groups have hijacked the "HISTORY MODEL" and used it for political gain. The Holocaust is a good example.
Latin, why did you delete all of your audio files from TIU? I can't find any of the originals and it doesn't make any sense to me why you would get rid of many hours of your work.
LINDSEY
QuoteLatin, why did you delete all of your audio files from TIU? I can't find any of the originals and it doesn't make any sense to me why you would get rid of many hours of your work.
LINDSEY
Basically because I did not want to become embroiled in controversy. Just a point of clarification Mike Delaney created a movie called 911 Missing Links. He asked me to do a voice over for his production. I provided a voice over for him. At any rate then Mr. Delaney and John Martinson then when on an ultra-Jew bashing rampage. I disagree with there methods and their conclusions. However, via the magic of the internet I am now linked to these future Patsies. This is problematic. So I took down most of my shows. About 50% of the shows could be found at the Truth data base. I was unable to delete them from there. The show I would most recommend is the one on Leo Strauss and Political Science.
Quote from: "blueocean"Quote from: "rmstock"I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
2500 pigs a day :? very unlikely
on another note: Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site? :evil: :shock:
Assuming an 8 hour day that would be:
312.8 pigs an hour
5.2 pigs per minute
That does sound like a major exaggeration :mrgreen: .
Quote from: "jai_mann"Quote from: "blueocean"Quote from: "rmstock"I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.
2500 pigs a day :? very unlikely
on another note: Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site? :evil: :shock:
Assuming an 8 hour day that would be:
312.8 pigs an hour
5.2 pigs per minute
That does sound like a major exaggeration :mrgreen: .
Don't forget you have shave the pigs heads, strip them naked, check for gold in mouths, gas them and then break out the chainsaw and slice them in half. I don't RMSTOCK could do the "leatherface" routine that quickly.
awesome collaboration, rightly or wrongly. really enjoyed it keep up the good work.
Quote from: "mgt23"awesome collaboration, rightly or wrongly. really enjoyed it keep up the good work.
Thank you but support your statements. We have given a definition for history and methods in which it was or could be fabricated. Ask us questions.
i need to review formenko first more fully and consider my opinion. i think u can negatively attack history although your claims to facts get destroyed by your own arguments. You need to study agnostic logical positivism to see the true destructive power of philosophy on history. and any historical model put forward. Kurt godel incompleteness theorem and bertrand russells paradox would destroy any argument put forward by formenko. Personally i left uni because of ALP after 4 years after i realised its destruction on wittgensteins philosophy of language and its implications for epistemology and hence history. My current view is the best guess argument combining science and instinct as to a workable framework for living life. My search for historical certainty continues but the most pressing concerns are more the survival of consciousness and humanity in the face of impending destruction of the universe.
I will debate you any day of the week. PM me. You are a fool.
i feel a show coming up......
http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page ... f50ef82649 (http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e17833f1251c8081f08cd2cf453fecf50ef82649)
you might want to check out Hume first and you'll see what i mean.
and aj ayer and the vienna circle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer)
Quoteface of impending destruction of the universe.
Holy fucking crap! Do you have any evidence for this? Jewish domination certainly seems rather insignificant in light of this information.
Quote from: "mgt23"http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e17833f1251c8081f08cd2cf453fecf50ef82649
you might want to check out Hume first and you'll see what i mean.
and aj ayer and the vienna circle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer)
I have a degree in philosophy.
excellent, then we are on the same level. i think that IF Prof Tipler's view of baryon tunneling is correct then the implications of homo sapiens near future are vast. Not only would it collapse the universe, but depending on how far they take this it would fulfill the final protocol of the kabballah- the reunification with the light. (or in my opinion the creation of absolute nothingness)
my previous shows have looked into this and the physics are under review. am having a fight with amazon at the moment.
QuoteIn 2007 Prof. Tipler's book The Physics of Christianity was published, which analyzes the Omega Point Theory's pertinence to Christian theology.[12] In the book Tipler identifies the Omega Point as being the Judeo-Christian God, particularly as described by Christian theological tradition, e.g., that the Omega Point cosmology when formulated in multiversal terms (of which multiverse conception isn't necessary for the physics upon which the Omega Point itself is based) is fundamentally triune in its structure: the Final Singularity (i.e., the Omega Point), the All-Presents Singularity (which Tipler states exists at all times at the edge of the multiverse), and the Initial Singularity (i.e., the beginning of the Big Bang), which Tipler identifies with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, respectively (successively, the First, Second and Third Persons of the Trinity). In this book Tipler also analyzes how Jesus Christ could have performed the miracles attributed to him in the New Testament without violating any known laws of physics, even if one were to assume that we currently don't exist on a level of implementation in a computer simulation (in the case that we did, then according to Tipler such miracles would be trivially easy to perform for the society which was running the simulation, even though it would seem amazing from our perspective).
:shock: :lol: :? :shock: :lol:
Kurt Godel's Attack on the axioms of mathematics
On Formally Undecidable Propositions in Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I
brief overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del ... s_theorems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems)
this i imagine would have vast implications for formenkos analysis if it can be shown that maths has no certainty
Rudy Ruckers
Infinity and the Mind
Useful for understanding Omega and prepping one for
F J Tiplers
Physics of Immortality
Physics of Christianity
now i am no expert on mathematics so u may need to help me if you are. I am however a dozy at attacking certainty and various systems of epistemology and ethics.
I respect you and savage immensely and can tell you are both critical thinkers of high caliber. It is my humble hope i could offer you some different perspectives.
Quote from: "mgt23"Kurt Godel's Attack on the axioms of mathematics
On Formally Undecidable Propositions in Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I
brief overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del ... s_theorems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems)
this i imagine would have vast implications for formenkos analysis if it can be shown that maths has no certainty
Rudy Ruckers
Infinity and the Mind
Useful for understanding Omega and prepping one for
F J Tiplers
Physics of Immortality
Physics of Christianity
now i am no expert on mathematics so u may need to help me if you are. I am however a dozy at attacking certainty and various systems of epistemology and ethics.
I respect you and savage immensely and can tell you are both critical thinkers of high caliber. It is my humble hope i could offer you some different perspectives.
Look buddy, These are very deep waters. Different perspectives are important but rather time consuming once you have reached a certain level of understanding. Let us just say we have yet to formally state our argument. Savage and I partially agree with Fomenko. However we have not gone to this point in our shows.
QuoteSome have pointed out that the current acceleration of the universe's expansion due to the positive cosmological constant would appear to obviate the Omega Point.[31] On this matter Prof. Tipler states[32] (see also references [7] and [6]) that baryon annihilation—which he says would be the ideal form of energy resource and rocket propulsion during the colonization of the universe—will force the Higgs field to its absolute vacuum state, resulting in the universe's collapse:
The SM provides such a mechanism, which I actually discussed in the last section of the Appendix for Scientists in ([10], p. 515). This mechanism is the creation/destruction of baryon number by electroweak quantum tunneling. (Baryons are the heavy particles made up of quarks. Examples are neutrons and protons.) In my book, I pointed out that this mechanism would be ideal for propelling interstellar spacecraft, but I did not discuss its implications for the Higgs vacuum, a serious oversight on my part. (An oversight which invalidates the second part of my Fifth Prediction on page 149 of [10].) If the SM is true—ALL experiments conducted to date indicate that it is (e.g. [33] and [34], last full paragraph on p. 35)—then the net baryon number observed in the universe must have been created in the early universe by this mechanism of electroweak quantum tunneling. If the baryons were so created, then this process necessarily forces the Higgs field to be in a vacuum state that is not its absolute vacuum. But if the baryons in the universe were to be annihilated by this process, say by the action of intelligent life, then this would force the Higgs field toward its absolute vacuum, canceling the positive cosmological constant, stopping the acceleration, and allowing the universe to collapse into the Omega Point. Conversely, if enough baryons are not annihilated by this process, the positive cosmological constant will never be canceled, the universe will expand forever, unitarity will be violated, and the Omega Point will never come into existence. Only if life makes use of this process to annihilate baryons will the Omega Point come into existence.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/Omega-Point-Multiverse.png/512px-Omega-Point-Multiverse.png)
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"I will debate you any day of the week. PM me. You are a fool.
I retract this statement and offer an apology to MGT23.
Quote from: "mgt23"QuoteSome have pointed out that the current acceleration of the universe's expansion due to the positive cosmological constant would appear to obviate the Omega Point.[31] On this matter Prof. Tipler states[32] (see also references [7] and [6]) that baryon annihilation—which he says would be the ideal form of energy resource and rocket propulsion during the colonization of the universe—will force the Higgs field to its absolute vacuum state, resulting in the universe's collapse:
The SM provides such a mechanism, which I actually discussed in the last section of the Appendix for Scientists in ([10], p. 515). This mechanism is the creation/destruction of baryon number by electroweak quantum tunneling. (Baryons are the heavy particles made up of quarks. Examples are neutrons and protons.) In my book, I pointed out that this mechanism would be ideal for propelling interstellar spacecraft, but I did not discuss its implications for the Higgs vacuum, a serious oversight on my part. (An oversight which invalidates the second part of my Fifth Prediction on page 149 of [10].) If the SM is true—ALL experiments conducted to date indicate that it is (e.g. [33] and [34], last full paragraph on p. 35)—then the net baryon number observed in the universe must have been created in the early universe by this mechanism of electroweak quantum tunneling. If the baryons were so created, then this process necessarily forces the Higgs field to be in a vacuum state that is not its absolute vacuum. But if the baryons in the universe were to be annihilated by this process, say by the action of intelligent life, then this would force the Higgs field toward its absolute vacuum, canceling the positive cosmological constant, stopping the acceleration, and allowing the universe to collapse into the Omega Point. Conversely, if enough baryons are not annihilated by this process, the positive cosmological constant will never be canceled, the universe will expand forever, unitarity will be violated, and the Omega Point will never come into existence. Only if life makes use of this process to annihilate baryons will the Omega Point come into existence.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/Omega-Point-Multiverse.png/512px-Omega-Point-Multiverse.png)
My position is that real history (events in the Past) is not knowable. However, the historical model of the past is knowable but must be analyzed via he scientific method. The real problem is that I suspect that the information of the past and the historical model that we have access to is false. Additionally, there are several versions of history competing with each other. This competing histories are sometimes contradictory and create limited windows of understanding. In my limited understanding of history- I know what is false but have little in formation about the truth... In regard to the many philosophical issues you brought up they are important but fail to address my Cartesian conundrum "the Evil Genius."
QuoteIn regard to the many philosophical issues you brought up they are important but fail to address my Cartesian conundrum "the Evil Genius."
your missing my point
ALP states
"I do not know, whether or not anything is nonsense or not."
this was the implication of the failure of poppers falsificationism's inability to escape induction problems. For how could one verify that a falsification test was true without using verification methods to make sure the falsification claim wasn't a misreading of the data as all scientific claims had to go through peer review and therefore reliant on phenomenal data(for this reason i claimed that solipsistic idealism was inescapable). We're talking years ago now but i think the example i used was an attack on the data of Issac Newton's moon test, where people thought his data was wrong but it turned out to be true years later. Since Logical Positivism had already been shot down in the vienna circle- ALP was the only conclusion.
So with this context your point of the evil genius is irrelevant, as the evil genius has to make sure he is not controlled by an evil/good genius and so on ad infinitum. The truth of ALP and the resulting inescapable solipsistic idealism is we can make no propositional claims whatsoever and is the one conclusion that wittgenstein refuses to accept in Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. The Tractatus if it was to be "true" should have stayed a blank page.
for the layman analogy ALP states "at this moment i know not of any propersition that i can utter, including this one"
In conclusion ALP was an extremely simple idea with devastating results and i remember now the a j ayer pupil that taught me he was called mike smithurst a gentlemen of the highest calibre and the best lecturer i have ever witnessed. He was in complete agreement with me, but never really addressed this fundamental issue which would destroy Wittgenstein's second philosophy of language. Maybe now you can see why Ray Monk hated me. I was in a way taking the tractatus forward to its logical end more than wittgenstein did and counterclaimed that if the tractatus was blank(rather than trying to defend it) it would have more truth than his second system.
This sounds crazy but i stuck to this position and came up with the evolutionary best guess argument which would eventually lead to a harmonist position of a consciousness of an omega perspective. When I read tipler who i had in many ways already anticipated i was horrified to learn of baryon tunneling and the certainty that if omega consciousness was created then the destruction of the multi-universe was assured. As all forms of consciousness would be simulated including the one that built a LHC and used baryon tunneling to destroy all matter-creating a total and absolute nothingness. According to omega theory if it is possible then it would be done.
ignore anything you read on cern about micro-black holes/vacuum bubbles etc that's bullshit. they are building up the black hole fears so they can shoot it down and the LHC would appear safe and it would distract them from the real danger of the future applied technology of baryon tunneling. Baryon tunneling/Baryon Annihilation is the real danger and it is this that the LHC was built for and is what is being suppressed as i have not seen a single scientist refute tiplers work on this. (ignore everything on tiplers christianity etc thats a crock of shit fed to him from his zionist influences)
so as to what is the truth that you desire go with you instincts and act on that. offer it as food for the mind only and make no claims to certainty, but do qualify what you say.
think of the architect in the matrix film, he doesn't know himself whether he is in a matrix via a higher architect and so on. the answer to the red pill/blue pill problem is to swallow both.
Quote from: "mgt23"think of the architect in the matrix film, he doesn't know himself whether he is in a matrix via a higher architect and so on. the answer to the red pill/blue pill problem is to swallow both.
I am not sure what happened but it appears that you deleted the post that started this debate. It was the post where you talked about Tipler's Omega point. I am no expert in physics or logic positivism. However, if one's idea's can not be easily stated then usually there is a problem. Let me be clear. History is bunk. The historical model that people refer to as history is a fabrication to entertain the masses. There are several ways to demonstrate this point. Logical positivism as an argument to question the validity of history is strong. However, I argue that we do not have to go that far since there are invalid arguments in the current historical model rendering huge portions of our historical understanding useless. And if we see individuals arguing from that position then we can dismiss that position outright. I understand your arguments and I agree to a certain degree. However, at a certain point one must ask what cash value do certain ideas have? My old professor you to say "what is the pragmatic value of certain ideas?
i haven't deleted any posts latin!? your last point i agree with and your prof words sound in line with my best guess argument as i advocate science and instinct due to their pragmatic nature in discourse. :D
http://lib.ru/FOMENKOAT/engltr.txt (http://lib.ru/FOMENKOAT/engltr.txt)
this is a english translation of the new chronology of fomenko. from this i will be basing critique.
Quote from: "mgt23"http://lib.ru/FOMENKOAT/engltr.txt
this is a english translation of the new chronology of fomenko. from this i will be basing critique.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFAV ... gy#PPR1,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFAV4WZ9MC&pg=PR35&dq=A.T.Fomenko,++New+chronology#PPR1,M1)
cool. thx latin. fomenko seems to have done some other work as well. if and when you come across other links can you post them so other readers can check the out.
If its ok with you LAV/Savage I added your scalinger/formenko shows to my peercast broadcast.
Quote from: "mgt23"If its ok with you LAV/Savage I added your scalinger/formenko shows to my peercast broadcast.
Mgt23- Thank you for the citation. However, Johnny and I were never able to conclude the series. Basically, Johnny and myself suggest that Fomenko provides some very difficult questions to answer using the consensual chronology created by Scaliger. Furthermore, Fomenko creates so many holes in the consensual chronology that we suspend judgment on many of our formerly deep seated historical convictions. For example, what is the age of the bible? We think it is roughly 500 years old. The age of the pyramids? Roughly 800 years old.
QuoteFurthermore, Fomenko creates so many holes in the consensual chronology that we suspend judgment on many of our formerly deep seated historical convictions.
QuoteFor example, what is the age of the bible? We think it is roughly 500 years old. The age of the pyramids? Roughly 800 years old.
.......spoken like a true Agnostic logical Positivist.
it is precisely because of you're work that I remain open minded on Formenko. The diabolic nature of Zionism as rewritten by Abraham the jew fits your 500 year guess. The implications if true are vast and would explain why during history there has been many attempts to exterminate counter-historical documents; ranging from the library of Alexandria and the manchu's in china to the privatization of antiquities in the 18th century onwards.
Impo Zionism via the Kaballah/Tengrism can be traced back to Mongolia. The object has always been world domination via deception. To do that the elites needed to control information and that stands true now as it did then way back in the ancient past......