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Title: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 23, 2009, 02:33:58 PM
Basically I was going to post this in Prothink's thread but apparently the thread has been deleted.

Judaism is an supremacist ideology created so that it adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.  In that respect it similar to the cast system in India with the Brahmans at the top. Once Jews were able to become a close caste they then focused on becoming administrators and specialists within various kingdoms. For example, Jews were the Goldsmiths to German Kings. Jews were the banking specialist to various Popes (kings). Jews even were hired develop contiguous ideas like communist i.e. Karl Marx. Today the modern structure of the Jewish close caste administrators is divided into the inner group and the outer group. The outer group of Jews are your rank and file Jews that  everyone is familiar with. They are he deli shops owners, the Jewelry store owners, and various small business men and women. They go to temple and know very little about what is going on. The Inner group Jews are close caste of administrator with very high social status. They administer various social institutions like the supreme court, run multi-national corporations, banking specialist, and other administrative niches. Collectively, this close caste socially engineers desire outcomes, pushes agenda and creates policy. For example, the feminist movement was Jewish inspired and Jewish lead. The civil rights movement was also another Jewish run and inspired agenda.

Finally, Antisemitism is social engineering mechanism used to pressure the Jewish administrators to implement certain policies.  Lets be frank the angry goy mob can be justifiably goated into attacking the Jew collectively and the Jew reacts by creating the legislative agenda to counter the goys.  The Hate Speech Bill comes to mind or even the hate crime legislation.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Free Truth on July 23, 2009, 06:08:59 PM
I'd tend to agree, Latin. I share a somewhat similar line of thought.

QuoteJudaism is a supremacist ideology created so that its adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.

Question is: When do you think it was created (I don't know about saying "created" though...) and in your opinion, by whom?
Unanswerable, I guess...
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 23, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: "Free Truth"I'd tend to agree, Latin. I share a somewhat similar line of thought.

QuoteJudaism is a supremacist ideology created so that its adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.

Question is: When do you think it was created (I don't know about saying "created" though...) and in your opinion, by whom?
Unanswerable, I guess...

I don't know who created the ideology. Dr. McDonald made some interesting claims that Rabbi's started eugenic programs in Tsarist Ghetto's. There is also the persistent idea that Jews are always in gated communities (ghettos) at the disposal of the ruling king. This fact couple with there consistence presence in positions of administrative power is confounding. My position makes the "facts" a little easier to piece together.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2009, 12:57:30 AM
Quote from: "Free Truth"I'd tend to agree, Latin. I share a somewhat similar line of thought.

QuoteJudaism is a supremacist ideology created so that its adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.

Question is: When do you think it was created (I don't know about saying "created" though...) and in your opinion, by whom?
Unanswerable, I guess...

(http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/imgs/Bishop%20heads.jpg)
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: sullivan on July 24, 2009, 04:29:11 AM
Quote from: "JohnSavage"Question is: When do you think it was created (I don't know about saying "created" though...) and in your opinion, by whom?
Unanswerable, I guess...

(http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/imgs/Bishop%20heads.jpg)[/quote]

Which proves what?
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 24, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: "JohnSavage"
Quote from: "Free Truth"I'd tend to agree, Latin. I share a somewhat similar line of thought.

QuoteJudaism is a supremacist ideology created so that its adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.

Question is: When do you think it was created (I don't know about saying "created" though...) and in your opinion, by whom?
Unanswerable, I guess...
Hmmmm... Belief creation. This is complicated. I tend to think that belief in the supernatural, God, supertition, republicans, Bin laden and Santa are a by product of Man's intelligence. Bertrand Russell once wrote "man is a credulous being." In that respect the religious superstructure that we see today is the evolved remnant of previous religious institutions coupled with necessary political modifications to persist as centers of power. In other words, the first Shaman that understood his or her power over his followers could be seen as the  forefather of these religious institutions. However the real question is when did these loose belief systems become organized religion ? My guess is that it began roughly 1,000 years ago.  Monotheism as a tool of imperialism began roughly 800 years ago.  Catholicism roughly 760 years ago and Judaism and Islam both respectively under 600 years old. Regardless of my perception of history please consider my definition of Jew.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 24, 2009, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"Basically I was going to post this in Prothink's thread but apparently the thread has been deleted.

Judaism is an supremacist ideology created so that it adherents would have the intellectual and emotional superstructure to isolate themselves from the rest humanity.  In that respect it similar to the cast system in India with the Brahmans at the top. Once Jews were able to become a close caste they then focused on becoming administrators and specialists within various kingdoms. For example, Jews were the Goldsmiths to German Kings. Jews were the banking specialist to various Popes (kings). Jews even were hired develop contiguous ideas like communist i.e. Karl Marx. Today the modern structure of the Jewish close caste administrators is divided into the inner group and the outer group. The outer group of Jews are your rank and file Jews that  everyone is familiar with. They are he deli shops owners, the Jewelry store owners, and various small business men and women. They go to temple and know very little about what is going on. The Inner group Jews are close caste of administrator with very high social status. They administer various social institutions like the supreme court, run multi-national corporations, banking specialist, and other administrative niches. Collectively, this close caste socially engineers desire outcomes, pushes agenda and creates policy. For example, the feminist movement was Jewish inspired and Jewish lead. The civil rights movement was also another Jewish run and inspired agenda.

Finally, Antisemitism is social engineering mechanism used to pressure the Jewish administrators to implement certain policies.  Lets be frank the angry goy mob can be justifiably goated into attacking the Jew collectively and the Jew reacts by creating the legislative agenda to counter the goys.  The Hate Speech Bill comes to mind or even the hate crime legislation.

I, for the most part, disagree with your Jew premise.  I really don't know where to begin with my critique but before I begin I wish that you would supply some evidence for the following assertions:

" Jews even were hired develop contiguous ideas like communist i.e. Karl Marx"-  By whom?

"Today the modern structure of the Jewish close caste administrators is divided into the inner group and the outer group"-Did they copy Hinduism?  Says whom?

"Finally, Antisemitism is social engineering mechanism used to pressure the Jewish administrators to implement certain policies." Maybe it's your wording here, please clarify.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 24, 2009, 04:52:06 PM
Quote" Jews even were hired develop contiguous ideas like communist i.e. Karl Marx"- By whom?

Karl Marx was hired by a mysterious group who called themselves the League of Just Men to write the Communist Manifesto as a demogogic boob-bait to appeal to the mob. In actual fact the Communist Manifesto was in circulation for many years before Marx's name was widely enough recognized to establish his authorship of this revolutionary handbook. All Karl Marx really did was to update and codify the very same revolutionary plans and principles set down seventy years earlier by Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Order of Illuminati in Bavaria. And, it is widely acknowledged by serious scholars of this subject that the League of Just Men was simply an extension of the Illuminati which was forced to go deep underground after it was exposed by a raid in 1786 conducted by the Bavarian authorities. Source: None Dare call it Conspiracy

The League of Just Men was a Wealthy group of Industrialists. Frederick Engels was one of the Members.
Quote"Today the modern structure of the Jewish close caste administrators is divided into the inner group and the outer group"-Did they copy Hinduism? Says whom?
Based on simple observation is clear they are close caste. They do not recruit members into their ranks and fear assimilation on the part of their adherents. The next thing which can be observed is that not all Jews are create equal some Jews are more equal than others. Some Jews have social status and power while other Jews do not. No one here is complaining about the deli owner but rather the Larry Silverstiens, Greenspans,and Pearls of the world. Ergo there are different groups!

Quote"Finally, Antisemitism is social engineering mechanism used to pressure the Jewish administrators to implement certain policies." Maybe it's your wording here, please clarify.

Jews have a group identity. Some argue that they have adopted a group survival strategy.  Antisemitism applies pressure to the group. The Jewish group that has access to power can then justifiably act to protect group interest when threaten. For example, an Angry TIU mob goes marching to Jew Central-  powerful  Jews with legislative power can argue the need for Jew specific legislation to protect them from angry TIUers. Social engineering is subtle. Think of it as problem reaction solutions with Jews as the targets and the agents of change.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 24, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
Thank you for the elucidation, LAV.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: anarchore on July 25, 2009, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: "veritasvincit"
QuoteWimpy wrote:
Oh, I see Prothink has been wiped off the website again,....with all associated posts.

Problem: Prothink Arrives and given a second chance by Ognir.

Reaction: A couple of members and administrator keep harping and warning preemptively while referencing the past.

Solution: Ban Prothink, again, and erase all posts: the original goal.

Who are the creators of problem-reaction-solution?

I don't really care whether prothink is a member of this website or not however, I was just curious as to why the previous thread was deleted?

Looks like Prothink is outta here... I remember replying to his nonsense a few days ago, but haven't had time to check back in until now.  My guess is he went ape when he read my comment, like he usually does.  Went into a tirade, called me a J-w.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: anarchore on July 25, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
Has the ring of truth, LAV.  Because a lot of "Jews" have no idea what is going on, it is irresponsible, inaccurate, and self-defeating to say it's "the Jews".

But of course "Zionist" does not fit the historical model.  

I think a lot of people use "Zionist" to mean the kind of ideology and behaviour associated with the Pharisaic J-wish leadership. It is still much better to say "Zionist" than "Jew", because while saying "Zionist" doesn't state the problem(although, today it is foremost), neither does "Jew"(which distracts from the problem of the power Zionist).  

It's a criminalizing system, run from the top of the money pile by the ruthless types that hoarded the most and then created artificial scarcity out of a fecund, beautiful bountiful earth so they could hoard even more.

And everyone(with exceptions - are there good people??  see the fallacy of the "are there good Jews" argument?) wants to be like them.  Everyone wants a slice of that pie.

Another irony is that the essential J-wish behaviour we are condemning is but the reflection of what whites[EDIT: PHARISAIC CAPITALISM?] have done to others in the past.  Now we don't like it done to us.  

But for too many the solution is strife with all J-ws.  

If we deport the J-ws, we still will have the same stupid system of government and capitalism, and people like [name redacted] who think that monopoly capitalism, pornography, or corruption in general is a "Jew thing" are just running in myopic circles.  

It's not the Federal Reserve that is the problem either(it is part of it), but this monster capitalism in general, that has been shown to breed for deceptive, immoral, sociopathic traits.

The system is the antithesis of our humanity... so while we think about who the ones in power tormenting us are, remember The Who's "Won't get fooled again"... forget a revolution, we need a permanent solution.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: abduLMaria on July 27, 2009, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: "anarchore"If we deport the J-ws, we still will have the same stupid system of government and capitalism, and people like [name redacted] who think that monopoly capitalism, pornography, or corruption in general is a "Jew thing" are just running in myopic circles.  

It's not the Federal Reserve that is the problem either(it is part of it), but this monster capitalism in general, that has been shown to breed for deceptive, immoral, sociopathic traits.

one of the problems being, that next generation of Zionist sociopaths is inheriting 150-200 nuclear bombs.  guys like this young Israeli soldier
(http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Mar/Week3/15245789.jpg)

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... 3315245946 (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israeli-Army-T-Shirts-Mock-Killing-Palestinian-Women-And-Children-During-Gaza-Offensive/Article/200903315245946)

i'm not anti-Semitic, i'm anti-Criminal.  and my observation is that Zionists comprise the largest crime organization on earth.  it was not a conclusion reached quickly or easily.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 27, 2009, 11:43:14 AM
This thread was created  not to solve any problems but rather to identify was a Jew is. If one were to go through the anti-Zionist literature there are countless explanations that rely on the Jew being supernatural being, appeal to biblical tradition and other non logical explanations. Honestly, what can we do if Jews are in league with Lucifer? Yet these views persist without any appeal to the rational non-superstitious persons. So encourage everyone to try to define  the Jew.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 27, 2009, 12:41:48 PM
The Jew is Racist based Nationalism. The difficultly with understanding the Jewish Clan  form of Nationalism is cleverly hidden by the fact that, until the formation of modern Israel, their Nationalism was and is practiced within the borders of Sovereign Countries.  Collectively, they are a Country of like individuals acting aggressively, as a sworn adversary, towards the inhabitants of the host Country. This is no different than one Nation declaring traditional war upon another Nation.  Instead of a war machine to accomplish rape, pillage and destruction their Nationalism is achieved through complex deception and infiltration.

I believe that a host Country is, more or less, oblivious to nature of this type of War and this is probably due to instilled ignorance by the invaders.  The concept of war and how wars are fought has been deeply ingrained into most from childhood, so it's no wonder that the majority can not recognize a war if guns, tanks and missiles aren't involved.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 27, 2009, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: "Wimpy"The Jew is Racist based Nationalism. The difficultly with understanding the Jewish Clan  form of Nationalism is cleverly hidden by the fact that, until the formation of modern Israel, their Nationalism was and is practiced within the borders of Sovereign Countries.  Collectively, they are Country of like individuals acting aggressively, as a sworn adversary, towards the inhabitants of the host Country. This is no different than one Nation declaring traditional war upon another Nation.  Instead of a war machine to accomplish rape, pillage and destruction their Nationalism is achieved through complex deception and infiltration.

I believe that a host Country is, more or less, oblivious to nature of this type of War and this is probably due to instilled ignorance by the invaders.  The concept of war and how wars are fought has been deeply ingrained into most from childhood, so it's no wonder that the majority can not recognize a war if guns, tanks and missiles aren't involved.

Now we are getting somewhere! Thank you wimpy. But here are few questions for you. What is the intellectual and emotional rationale for the creation of the Jewish state? In my personal view it that without an appeal to the new biblical tradition there could be no justification Jewish land theft. The ideology is derived from British Israelism. Another problem with your position is that it ignores the military and geopolitical importance of the physical state of Israel. Israel stands in the heart of the middle east and in the center of the old Ottoman empire. The fall of the Ottoman Empire is poorly understood by modern conspiracy theorists. Another question is could all the world intelligence communities be completely oblivious to how Jewish inflitration works? Waging war without bullets surely has advantages which would have to be studied at all war colleges or do you think that we are first to conceive of this notion?
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 27, 2009, 02:01:10 PM
"What is the intellectual and emotional rationale for the creation of the Jewish state?"LAV

When your numbers are far fewer than your adversary, a plodding and consistent patience is requisite.    Assuming the goal is World conquest it seems Israel's creation was inevitable, knowing that strategic land must be acquired and expanded upon, and this acquisition was eventually made possible via an accumulation of prior successes.  The establishment of Israel now permits an acceleration of World conquest in that traditional War, now having their own War machine, is and has always been much more expedient.

   "Another question is could all the world intelligence communities be completely oblivious to how Jewish infiltration works? Waging war without bullets surely has advantages which would have to be studied at all war colleges or do you think that we are first to conceive of this notion?"LAV


Are we the first "to conceive of this notion"; oh yes, absolutely. : )

I believe that the infiltration of our (and others) military and intelligence community is as crucial as controlling the money, media, industry, agriculture and religious culture.  Certainly there are chosen Goy, team player dupes, whom are fully aware of the mechanics of deception and infiltration but may not be aware of the big picture.  Only at the very top will we find Goy that 'know'.  To that I say we, as in most here, are surely some of the few to understand the big picture.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 27, 2009, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: "Wimpy""What is the intellectual and emotional rationale for the creation of the Jewish state?"LAV

When your numbers are far fewer than your adversary, a plodding and consistent patience is requisite.    Assuming the goal is World conquest it seems Israel's creation was inevitable, knowing that strategic land must be acquired and expanded upon, and this acquisition was eventually made possible via an accumulation of prior successes.  The establishment of Israel now permits an acceleration of World conquest in that traditional War, now having their own War machine, is and has always been much more expedient.

   "Another question is could all the world intelligence communities be completely oblivious to how Jewish infiltration works? Waging war without bullets surely has advantages which would have to be studied at all war colleges or do you think that we are first to conceive of this notion?"LAV


Are we the first "to conceive of this notion"; oh yes, absolutely. : )

I believe that the infiltration of our (and others) military and intelligence community is as crucial as controlling the money, media, industry, agriculture and religious culture.  Certainly there are chosen Goy, team player dupes, whom are fully aware of the mechanics of deception and infiltration but may not be aware of the big picture.  Only at the very top will we find Goy that 'know'.  To that I say we, as in most here, are surely some of the few to understand the big picture.
Firstly, the State of Isreal was not necessarily going to be in the middle east. Zimbawe was one of the places first proposed. However, the biblical justification is not there. We are the first to conceive of the Jewish strategy. Please consider game theory.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 27, 2009, 03:06:27 PM
I can think of several reasons for choosing the geographical location of Israel and that being among the traditional Ottoman's region is merely an inconvenience if not ancillary to their goals.

Are you familiar with the board game "Risk"; I know, not as sophisticated as chess but more visual perhaps?  That location allows control of Africa and all shipping from the Mediterranean Region to the near and far East.  It also allows nearby access to the known shallow oil fields at the time (late 1800's) found in Armenia (reference Turkish-Armenian genocide).  The location also conveniently fits a salable fable of a 'Promised Land' to the duped Christians.

Being in the Ottoman area is ancillary because infiltration and 'divide and conquer' techniques are too difficult to implement with these wise people. Only traditional war will succeed to control most of the known oil and this ancient arch enemy.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 27, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
But how were they duped? I suspect that is was done with Zionism and British Israelism.

Quote from: "Wimpy"I can think of several reasons for choosing the geographical location of Israel and that being among the traditional Ottoman's region is merely an inconvenience if not ancillary to their goals.

Are you familiar with the board game "Risk"; I know, not as sophisticated as chess but more visual perhaps?  That location allows control of Africa and all shipping from the Mediterranean Region to the near and far East.  It also allows nearby access to the known shallow oil fields at the time (late 1800's) found in Armenia (reference Turkish-Armenian genocide).  The location also conveniently fits a salable fable of a 'Promised Land' to the duped Christians.

Being in the Ottoman area is ancillary because infiltration and 'divide and conquer' techniques are too difficult to implement with these wise people. Only traditional war will succeed to control most of the known oil and this ancient arch enemy.
Armenians were the administrators of the Sultan. In other words, the intelligentsia was destroyed and replaced with a group that had an agenda contrary to the Ottoman empire.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 27, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
Other than the notorious "Sampson" option, Israel is not yet powerful to have at it alone.  As with the co-opting of the Sultan's forces, USA, Britain,...Israel still needs to  manipulate other armies as if their own.

A plus for our side is the realistic possibility of waking up the inhabitants and true owners of the respective Countries and stopping them.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2009, 07:53:43 PM
The "Jew" came out of Shinar or Sumer as a business man with a contract for sale.
Later the Pharisee's took to interpreting the contracts (law) believing the verbal iterpretation be regarded, without question.
Treaties are contracts.....for sale.
Below is a brief explanation of how this took place and got us where we are today.....
Business = busy-ness.  Business = commercial agreements, contracts, charters... stemming from the 6000 B.C. culture at a place called Shinar or Sumer.  There, the beginnings of "contract" as the essence of "law" begins to take shape and form, by The State beginning to create for itself its own "management" agency... made up of 
"separated out ones", identified by some "oath" binding them to loyal obedience or adherence to The State... a self-fulfilling accretive device... ever seeking to create and to produce and to pass more and more laws, rules, regulations... creating more and more and more of a separation between "the private sector"... those who do not occupy official office, or take "oaths" of office, or swear allegiance to some entity... under the terms of contract that provide for the equivalent of "the confessional"...
 
Secrecy.  Contractual secrecy.  An inherent aspect of the "hiring" by The State... of people... to speak The State's version of "the truth"... yet hiding behind "solicitor/client privilege"... the omerta of our "adversarial" system... the same "adversarial" system prevelant in belief systems, or webs of belief named : zoroastrianism... where perpetually the nut and the shell are at war... good v. bad... right v. wrong... black v. white...
 
The "suzerain" treaty, contract, agreement = a "superior" contracts with an "inferior", designed as an "unequal" bargaining situtation, one party exercises power, immunity and privilege the other party does not have...
 
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Free Truth on July 28, 2009, 12:19:23 AM
There is no such thing as a "jew"...

We need to be clear. If anything, they are ashkenazi talmudists. Or just keep it simple for others and call them talmudists.

But being a so-called jew is mental. In my mind, the "normal" individual that is a victim of their 100% controlled information, is a "jew." Those that are brought up on Western indoctrination, the "official" history and pop culture are jewish upstairs. If you believe the story about WW2, you're certainly a victim.  

QuoteJudaism is an supremacist ideology...

Do you notice many of "normal" individuals around you seem to have a bit of this?

QuoteArmenians were the administrators of the Sultan.

I guess a big question is: Whom might you say the zionist mafia are administrators for?

The bloodlines is what I've been thinking. That's when we start getting into Kabbalah and ancient beliefs and knowledge, huh? The real owners are not askenazi talmudists IMO.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 28, 2009, 12:09:44 PM
Well let's see...(don't read this as a GENERALIZATION of all jews mind you)

Some say a jew is a khazar who is not really a jew but a basically a bag of mixed nutts.

Some say jew is a race.

Some say jew is a religion.

A jew will say a jew is a race and a religion that was/is hated by all people at one time or another for no reason at all other than they are Jewish. So even if their not a religion, they claim to be a race. And if their not from the tribe, they are a jew by religion, or their mother was a religious or race jew. (?) Either way, it's a win, win situation for them.

Jew is an ethnocentric group of clannish people who have to resort to sneaky methods of survival and world domination because of their perpetual paranoia as a result of a mental sickness that everyone is out to get them.

Jew is mostly a non-semitic klan of European/Mongol/Turkish bloodline yet who claim to be semitic by using the canard to further their often malicious activities while providing a cover to run all aspects of society that matter (finance, media, entertainment, publishing, etc.,)

Jew is a group who proclaim 'self-chosen-ness' and putting themselves above others—supremacists basically.

And on it goes...
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: AbdulHaq on July 28, 2009, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: "Free Truth"There is no such thing as a "jew"...

We need to be clear. If anything, they are ashkenazi talmudists. Or just keep it simple for others and call them talmudists.


sephardic talmudists don't count?
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 28, 2009, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: "AbdulHaq"
Quote from: "Free Truth"There is no such thing as a "jew"...

We need to be clear. If anything, they are ashkenazi talmudists. Or just keep it simple for others and call them talmudists.


sephardic talmudists don't count?
It all depends on your version of history. If you believe that the bible is a historical document then your assumption is granted; however, then we should be able to apply the scientific method to determine the validity of biblical claims. Since most believers have issues with that application of science to their holy texts we reach a standoff. This why the Jewish strategy is so brilliant. The beliefs of the pious keeps the Jews from being exposed.

QuoteI guess a big question is: Whom might you say the zionist mafia are administrators for?

It depends on what region of the world you are referring to. It is safe to say that they administer for "Jewish" elites and Non-Jewish elites.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 28, 2009, 07:15:48 PM
LAV,

 I believe this article supports our discussion regarding Jewish control of Turkey.



 Fertile Crescent 'will disappear this century'

    * 13:18 27 July 2009 by Fred Pearce
    * For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide

Is it the final curtain for the Fertile Crescent? This summer, as Turkish dams reduce the Tigris and Euphrates rivers to a trickle, farmers abandon their desiccated fields across Iraq and Syria, and efforts to revive the Mesopotamian marshes appear to be abandoned, climate modellers are warning that the current drought is likely to become permanent. The Mesopotamian cradle of civilisation seems to be returning to desert.

Last week, Iraqi ministers called for urgent talks with upstream neighbours Turkey and Syria, after the combination of a second year of drought and dams in those countries cut flow on the Euphrates as it enters Iraq to below 250 cubic metres a second. That is less than a quarter the flow needed to maintain Iraqi agriculture.

Tensions have been growing since May, when the Iraqi parliament refused to approve a new much-needed trade deal with Turkey unless it contained binding clauses on river flows. But Turkey appears in no mood to compromise. In July, it announced the final go-ahead for yet another dam, the Ilisu on the Tigris.

Meanwhile, according to Hassan Partow at the UN Environment Programme, Iraq's hydrological misery is compounded by Iran, which is also building new dams on tributaries of the Tigris. "Some of these rivers have run completely dry," he told New Scientist. And Iraq itself is set to worsen the problem with its own dam building, he says. This year construction is set to begin on another Tigris tributary at Bekhme Gorge in Iraq's northern province of Kurdistan. At 230 metres it will be one of the world's tallest dams.



Rest of Article at:  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... nline-news (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17517-fertile-crescent-will-disappear-this-century.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news)
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 28, 2009, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: "Wimpy"LAV,
 I believe this article supports our discussion regarding Jewish control of Turkey.
The domeh Jews or cryto Jews if you prefer took our the administrative duties from the Armenians which were the Sultans right hand during the reign of the Ottoman empire. Most of the Young Turks were western university indoctrinated. Additionally, it appears that they were schooled in British universities. The question is who were the young Turks working for? I remind the careful reader that there was young British movement. This is say that many roads lead back to London but it is not clear who is working for whom. Or maybe they were working for their own self interests? Empire strongholds do not get undone by some young Turks. Just look at how the Ottoman empire was being encroach on many fronts by British interests. After the creation of Israel, British interests are non-existent. Poof! The Middle east becomes an American and Israeli quagmire with the British peacefully in the background. The empire get craved up because of rising nationalist interests. Whose interest was served by the carving up of nations?

http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf (http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf)

Please pay attention after the 1700s
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 29, 2009, 10:15:28 AM
Lyndon LaRouche makes a pretty solid argument pointing to the British being responsible for the past and current World situation.  Well at least since the 1700's.

The man is quite the historian and It was his knowledge of the Venetians that painted a clearer pre-Rothschilds picture for me.  At a minimum, this knowledge provided me a better understanding of Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice'.

http://www.larouchepac.com/ (http://www.larouchepac.com/)
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 01:50:08 AM
Quote from: "Wimpy"Lyndon LaRouche makes a pretty solid argument pointing to the British being responsible for the past and current World situation.  Well at least since the 1700's.

The man is quite the historian and It was his knowledge of the Venetians that painted a clearer pre-Rothschilds picture for me.  At a minimum, this knowledge provided me a better understanding of Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice'.

http://www.larouchepac.com/ (http://www.larouchepac.com/)

Be careful people might accuse you of working for the jew or blaming whitey.

Yes The many Venetians[Arms dealers and Financiers]  moved up to England and Netherlands after the fall of Constantinople [The City] aka Jerusalem, for fear of being next in line for the Allegedly Greek Sultan Turk. With them they brought the Venetian ship building knowledge and arms technology that ultimately allowed the protestant Netherlands to kick the imperial  catholic UN like army out of the Netherlands and take over England. so you get The City of London charter at this time, and British East India tea company and the Dutch east Indies tea company both strong navel countries and explorers, among other things. You also have Shakespear propaganda trying to humanize these Venetians while Christopher Marlow and others try to warn against these foreigners. The rot childs are connected to this saga as well.

cheers
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: abduLMaria on July 30, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"Now we are getting somewhere! Thank you wimpy. But here are few questions for you. What is the intellectual and emotional rationale for the creation of the Jewish state?

Another question is could all the world intelligence communities be completely oblivious to how Jewish inflitration works?

part of the rationale is derived from the oil in the region.  at $70 a barrel, with 110 billion barrels of reserves, Iraq has $7.7 trillion of oil that has a low recovery cost ($1 to $5 a barrel).

in the intelligence communities, the "recent hires" are often motivated by some version of "serving my country"/ needed a steady job.  at the upper levels, far from oblivious, since part of the job is to indentify workers who A/ support the Zionists and B/ "look the other way" when necessary.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 30, 2009, 11:49:12 AM
"Be careful people might accuse you of working for the jew or blaming whitey.

Yes The many Venetians[Arms dealers and Financiers] moved up to England and Netherlands after the fall of Constantinople [The City] aka Jerusalem, for fear of being next in line for the Allegedly Greek Sultan Turk. With them they brought the Venetian ship building knowledge and arms technology that ultimately allowed the protestant Netherlands to kick the imperial catholic UN like army out of the Netherlands and take over England. so you get The City of London charter at this time, and British East India tea company and the Dutch east Indies tea company both strong navel countries and explorers, among other things. You also have Shakespear propaganda trying to humanize these Venetians while Christopher Marlow and others try to warn against these foreigners. The rot childs are connected to this saga as well.

cheers"-John Savage

Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some?  Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?  

Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming.  I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: "Wimpy""Be careful people might accuse you of working for the jew or blaming whitey.

Yes The many Venetians[Arms dealers and Financiers] moved up to England and Netherlands after the fall of Constantinople [The City] aka Jerusalem, for fear of being next in line for the Allegedly Greek Sultan Turk. With them they brought the Venetian ship building knowledge and arms technology that ultimately allowed the protestant Netherlands to kick the imperial catholic UN like army out of the Netherlands and take over England. so you get The City of London charter at this time, and British East India tea company and the Dutch east Indies tea company both strong navel countries and explorers, among other things. You also have Shakespear propaganda trying to humanize these Venetians while Christopher Marlow and others try to warn against these foreigners. The rot childs are connected to this saga as well.

cheers"-John Savage

Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some?  Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?  

Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming.  I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 30, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
My question was direct and pertained to your post to me.  Why reply with obfuscation and evasion?  Again, my question:



    Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some? Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?

    Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming. I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.



Your Answer:

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 30, 2009, 01:15:45 PM
Quote from: "Wimpy"My question was direct and pertained to your post to me.  Why reply with obfuscation and evasion?  Again, my question:



    Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some? Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?

    Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming. I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.



Your Answer:

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke


Hey Whimpy, the blame White reference is an inside joke if you are following various arguments at TIU. However, one of the things that always seems to be overlooked is the geopolitical and military importance of creating a base in the heart of the old Ottoman empire.

We do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very intereting historical events.

QuoteThis article appears in the January 23, 2009 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
IT IS TIME TO BURY THE BRUTISH EMPIRE!
British Deception Responsible for Palestinian Bloodshed Today

by Hussein Askary

[PDF version of this article]

Preface: The history of the British manipulation of Arabs and Jews is, as the incredible suffering of the people of Gaza attests to today, a sad story. It is a pathetic one too, because the world, and the involved parties, who have failed to understand the evil nature of the British Empire, and thus, failed to react decisively to its machinations, before, during, and after World War I, have failed even now to correct that mistake. The British Empire and its servants in the consecutive British governments have been masters of deception, as we will see in the brief report below. Can you imagine the "Butcher of Baghdad" Tony Blair as a peace broker in Southwest Asia now? How could the U.S.A., Europe, Russia, and the UN (the Quartet on the Middle East) be so collectively insane as to accept Blair as their guide through the dense underbrush of the British-created "Middle East"?

As was the case in 1919, before the British put their Sykes-Picot knives to use against the people of Southwest Asia with the help of the French imperialists, people in the region are pleading to, and giving the new U.S. Presidency another chance to help mend what has been broken. Although a lot of blood has been spilled, and although the Sykes-Picot agreement and the Balfour Declaration cannot be reversed, there is still a chance for another Peace of Westphalia to preserve and promote the true nature of the human race, in place of the bestiality of the Brutish Empire which is being exhibited on the television screens every day.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3 ... nians.html (http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html)

The Blame Whitey thread

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6116 (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6116)
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 30, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
Quotehttp://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 30, 2009, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quotehttp://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:


QuoteWe do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very interesting historical events.

I cite this as an intro to a counter position. I put a disclaimer. You however, to not make effort for the sake of argument. I could research all links then put up a my research only to met with a one line response. Effort wasted.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 30, 2009, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quotehttp://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:


QuoteWe do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very interesting historical events.

I cite this as an intro to a counter position. I put a disclaimer. You however, to not make effort for the sake of argument. I could research all links then put up a my research only to met with a one line response. Effort wasted.

As is this whole 'whitey' did it nonsense. I mean where is all this fantastic truth? Build a thread a prove it. Hell I will even read it.

Most of what I have found is nonsense-the big smoking gun at Prison planet is the sykes-picot agreement. I'm like is that all you have? This is the whole basis for saying the the British are in control and are the top so to speak? Not that I don't think they have their share of elite who are in on the plot, but where is this evidence that shifts the focus away from who most of us (here) believe to be the primary culprits?
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 30, 2009, 02:58:12 PM
There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 30, 2009, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 30, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

It is not a British conspiracy. The creation of a religious argument for the sake of creating a justification for Jews to steal land appears to be a British intelligence scheme. Some have suggested that British Intelligence was are ready comprimised by Jewish inflitration when British Iraelism was created.  However, the real point is he creation of a religious argument for political purposes and military purposes.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 30, 2009, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

It is not a British conspiracy. The creation of a religious argument for the sake of creating a justification for Jews to steal land appears to be a British intelligence scheme. Some have suggested that British Intelligence was are ready comprimised by Jewish inflitration when British Iraelism was created.  However, the real point is he creation of a religious argument for political purposes and military purposes.

The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: LatinAmericanview on July 30, 2009, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: "Rockclimber"The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).


This seems to be a really interesting point. According to some Jim Condit Jr. there was a group of Brits that consider themselves true Israelites. They called or call themselves the Avalon group. Just as a bit of trivia the Yale university Holocaust history (online) is called the Avalon project. Inflitration????? I think the problem should be looked at from both sides.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

Hey Rock

I tried to start a discussion with you but you never responded. Anyway I maintain  that the British and British Israelite conspiracy are elements to the puzzle, and should not be ignored. Maybe people think I am trying to shift focus, but I am actually filing in the pieces of the puzzle. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

Hope this clarifies my position
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
Quote from: "Rockclimber"The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).


This seems to be a really interesting point. According to some Jim Condit Jr. there was a group of Brits that consider themselves true Israelites. They called or call themselves the Avalon group. Just as a bit of trivia the Yale university Holocaust history (online) is called the Avalon project. Inflitration????? I think the problem should be looked at from both sides.

It is an interesting point, I have tried to explain this. The British Israelites change their story as often as I change my underwear about 20 years or so. After the 1920's a faction of British Israelites broke off from the pack after they had worked so hard to get Palestine as a home for what they called the Hebrews, but later Jews and later Jews who are not Jews. Either they felt duped by a geopolitical intrigue or were meant as a dialectic. Ultimately British Israelism is Zionism in nature since they believe the same things - Such as rebuilding the temple etc..

Richard Brothers movement  was taken over and used as a political weapon

You will see the pic of the freemasons dressing in hebrew garb among other things.

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6064 (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6064)

I should also point out that the location of Jerusalem depends on a person's historical beliefs.

here is is abstract from something I ran across last night

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals ... yuval.html (http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/ckn/v012/12.1yuval.html)

QuoteIsrael Jacob Yuval - The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship - Common Knowledge 12:1 Common Knowledge 12.1 (2006) 16-33 The Myth Of The Jewish Exile From The Land Of Israel A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship Israel J. Yuval [Erratum] More than that of any other nation, Jewish identity is based on the imaginaire of a collective memory rather than on a common territory. I intend to examine here the sources of one myth that has had critical influence on the establishment of Jewish collective memory and modern Israeli identity. In doing so, I find myself treading a thin line. On the one hand, I am a Zionist loyal to awareness of the need for the existence of the State of Israel. On the other hand, I am deeply troubled by the price paid by the Palestinians for the fulfillment of this dream. Like many others, I desperately seek a fair solution that will minimize the pain and suffering for both sides. I am presenting these remarks out of recognition that the historian -- especially a historian who deals with his own culture -- cannot evade the responsibility of clarifying the political, moral, and social significance of his research. I belong to the generation of Israeli historians who turned their back on Zionist historiography, which was characterized by the dominance of grand national narratives. My generation has preferred to cover itself in the warm, protective blanket of "professional history," of...

It might be an interesting read or more crap

but it certainly corresponds with this book

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6183 (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6183)

Chapter 3 is filled with tidbits of info

http://www.newjerseysolidarity.org/reso ... ter03.html (http://www.newjerseysolidarity.org/resources/roots/chapter03.html)

I do believe that the cruelest joke is that Jerusalem is actually Constantinople and the Palestinian have suffered because of this Joke
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Rockclimber on July 30, 2009, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: "JohnSavage"
Quote from: "Rockclimber"
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

Hey Rock

I tried to start a discussion with you but you never responded. Anyway I maintain  that the British and British Israelite conspiracy are elements to the puzzle, and should not be ignored. Maybe people think I am trying to shift focus, but I am actually filing in the pieces of the puzzle. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

Hope this clarifies my position

Hi John,

I would never deny that the British are involved (whether that be intelligence or the elite/royals) so please don't misunderstand me. I will follow the pieces of puzzle it's just that I didn't really have enough info at that time to carry on the debate. I find British Israelism to be annoying (more supremacy) so I would like to see the links so bring it on John as I have truly enjoyed yours and LAVs inputs/research/shows over the past year. Perhaps I took what you where saying earlier out of context so thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2009, 02:12:19 AM
will do, it will take me a few days to put it all together in a coherent sort of thing, will try to provide the info and sources as best i can.

but for now we start here north of Venice Italy.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lombard_banking (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lombard_banking)

the money changer

(http://images.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/m/mo/moneychangerrembrandt.jpg)
Title: Re: A Jew defined
Post by: Wimpy on July 31, 2009, 11:42:34 AM
On topic with the discussion of British Israel Israelism:


                                                Exerpt from "British Israelism: A Mirage"


The Origin of British Israelism
Tradition: That the ten tribes were distinct and maintained their identity after the Assyrian captivity is an old idea. It goes back to at least the second century B.C., the date of composition given to an apocryphal book called Tobit. The story in this book centers around Tobit, a member of the tribe of Naphtali, "who in the days of Shalmaneser, king of the Assyrians, was taken into captivity from Thisbe. ..." The action of the drama takes place primarily in Nineveh.
       In the pseudepigraphal 2 Baruch, a composite work produced in the latter half of the first century A.D., the author claims to be Baruch, the secretary of Jeremiah (cf. Jer. 36:4). In 2 Baruch 78:1 the author begins a letter "to the nine and a half tribes, which were across the river Euphrates. ..."
       In the apocryphal work 2 Esdras, composed toward the end of the first century A.D., there is mention of the ten tribes in 13:39-45: "These are the ten tribes which were led away from their own land into captivity in the days of King Hoshea, whom Shalmaneser the king of the Assyrians led captive; he took them across the river, and they were taken into another land. But they formed this plan . . . that they would ... go to a more distant region, where mankind had never lived . . . [to] Azareth." According to A. Cohen, it was generally believed by the rabbis of the Talmud that the ten tribes would come back and be united with the rest of Israel, usually through the work of the Messiah. There were a few rabbis, though —for example Tosifta (in Sanhedrin XIII. 12)—who stated that "The ten tribes will have no share in the World to Come." According to Jacob Meyers, writing in the Anchor Bible, 2 Esdras 13:45 evidenced the attitude of the Jewish people at the time of its composition, that the ten tribes were in a remote place, since for many years there had been no contact with them. The Mishna, in Sanhedrin 10:3, also expressed this idea.
       Rabbi Louis Isaac Rabinowitz mentions the interesting old legend (also in the Talmud and in Ginzberg's series, the Legends of the Jews, Vol. 4) of why the ten tribes were unable to rejoin their fellow Israelites: they were exiled beyond the river Sambatyon. During the six days of the week the water was rough and impassable. On the Sabbath, the water was quiet, but the laws of the Sabbath made it impossible for Israel to cross then.
       Josephus (first century A.D.) also mentions the ten tribes in his Antiquities: "Wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (XI, V, 2), Jerome, writing in the fifth century A.D., believed the ten tribes were still in the land of their captivity.
Why England? It is clear, therefore, that the belief in ten lost tribes has a long tradition behind it. Since the Middle Ages many works have been written "locating" the lost tribes among various peoples. But where exactly did the theory that the lost tribes are in England originate? Anton Damns writes that British Israelism can be traced back to a Protestant apologist, Dr. Abadie of Amsterdam who, in 1723, is quoted as stating: "Unless the ten tribes have flown into the air or have been plunged into the center of the earth, they must be sought for in the north and west, and in the British Isles."
Founders of the movement: Generally though, the British-Israel theory itself is traced back to Richard Brothers, born in 1757. Brothers was a lieutenant in the British navy for awhile, but quit the service in 1789. Because he refused to accept his half-pay on account of religious scruples, he found he was forever short of money; ultimately he was forced to labor in a workhouse.
       In 1790 Brothers says he received his first call from God. On May 12, 1792, he sent letters to the King of England, the ministers of state, and the Speaker of the House of Commons. In these letters he warned them that on May 17 he would declare the imminent fulfillment of Daniel 7. Sometime later Brothers proclaimed that the king would die and that the crown would be given to him, "the nephew of the Almighty, and prince of the Hebrews, appointed to lead them to the land of Canaan."
       Soon after predicting the king's death he was committed to Newgate, where he claimed to have received poor treatment. He did not remain there long, and the experience did not seem to hurt his career. He wrote fifteen books, most arguing for an Israelite ancestry for the English, including A Correct Account of the Invasion and Conquest of This Island by the Saxons. Because he made a series of political predictions, some of which came true, he was able to attract numerous followers. These he talked into selling their property so they could accompany him to his New Jerusalem, which he planned to build on both sides of the Jordan River beginning in 1795. Though his followers included mainly the poor and ignorant, he did attract a few educated and respectable people, such as Nathanial Brassey Halhed, the orientalist; a member of Parliament from Lymington; and Sharp, an engraver.
       Things did not continue to go well for Brothers, for by order of the government he was finally committed to Bedlam as a dangerous lunatic. Released in 1806, he lived for nearly two more decades, but when he died in 1824 his New Jerusalem was still unbuilt.
       In 1840, following the path blazed by Brothers, John Wilson of England published Lectures on Our Israehtish Origin. Apparently fairly popular, the book went through several editions, the fifth being issued in 1876.
       Five years before Wilson's fifth edition appeared, Edward Hine published his Identity of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel With the Anglo-Celto-Saxons, in which he expounded the basic tenets of British Israelism. Hine's book was very successful, selling more than 250,000 copies. Like Brothers, he occasionally got carried away with his own importance. While he was editor of a magazine called The Banner of Israel, a peculiar statement appeared on its pages: the reference in Isa. 60 which indicates a deliverer would come out of Zion to bring the glory of the Lord to Israel was applied to Hine himself—a rather strange exegesis of the Scripture, to say the least.
Its Modern Proponents
       Today there are many groups and individuals promoting British Israelism.
• One of the foremost proponents is Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God. Armstrong's presentation is different from that of most teachers of the doctrine, as he is the head of a cult, and British Israelism is simply one part of his mixed-up theology. Therefore, some other peculiar doctrines are added to the standard British-Israel message. Armstrong's teachings are propagated through the Plain Truth magazine and on The World Tomorrow broadcast. His book, The United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy contains the major elements of British Israelism as preached by Armstrong.
• Bertrand Comparet, a British Israelite who lives in San Diego, has a radio program and has written some literature on the subject of British Israelism.
• Howard Rand, head of Destiny Publishers, a firm that specializes in printing literature dealing with British Israelism, has written some literature on the subject.
       British Israelism is not a sect nor is it a cult in the normal sense of the term. The movement is interdenominational and normally does not try to persuade its members to abandon other beliefs. The movement is loosely organized, being divided into widely scattered groups, therefore there is generally little control over the members. According to John Wilson, British Israelism is "an appendage to orthodoxy, existing on the periphery of what is normally believed. , . ." Not too surprisingly, therefore, British Israelites will often remain members of orthodox churches.
       An examination of British Israelism and its dangerous errors will be made in the next issue.


http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume4 ... aelism.htm (http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume4/BritishIsraelism.htm)             "British Israelism: A Mirage