The SOLUTION: follow the money?

[Helphand]

Much time can be spent and interest had discussing the origin and identity of the Jews; the effects they have had on societies over thousands of years; crypto jewish personalities; and so on.

However the thought occurs from time to time that this is all a distraction, a diversion. And given the power of the Zionist media in shaping popular thought and instilling fear of expressing anti-Jewish sentiment, is the airing of such matters likely to achieve any concrete results? Did Stalin not say he couldn't care if 10% of the population knew the truth so long as the other 90% didn't?

Why obsess with the periphery when you can attack the core?

If A.M. Rothschild said that he cares not who writes the laws if he has power to issue the money, isn't the best mode of attack just to arrange affairs so the reverse pertains -
educating the public on fractional reserve debt-based banking, and securing a popular mandate for revisions to the system?

There's a UK General Election in the offing, isn't now the time for those who understand the system to present their case? There's even a money reform party fielding a candidate.
Yet curiously there is silence it seems from various Islamically orientated money reform groups, the British Constitution Group, and the other 'alternative' parties and interest groups who have previously been vocal.

The absence - especially in the UK - of a widely disseminated, clear and concise expression of the money problem and potential solutions is a most interesting phenomenon.

Maj. Osman Bey - The Conquest Of The World By The Jews (1878)
[page 25:]
There is only one hostility, which the
Jews fear; it is that which assumes the shape of
competition, and attacks them on their own field; that
is, the principle of material interests. So long as
you allow the Jews quietly to accumulate money they
care about nothing else; on the contrary, they mocked
behind their backs both the victors by force of arms
and the victors by the spiritual principle.

[page 29:]
"In this commercial and financial conflict it
often happens, that the Jew beats hundreds of his
opponents from the field, solely because the principle
of material interests, the bait of gain, makes him
more sober, active and powerful than hundreds of his
opponents taken together."


Osman Bey was not saying that accumulation of wealth is in itself the objective of the Jews; rather it is a MEANS to an end, a vector, to their true objective, world government presided over by Jews in which all other peoples will be subjected. This view is borne out by
the fact, for example that Hollywood, WILL forgo monetary gain if doing so will conflict with the Jewish cultural, occult, religious agenda; such as when funding was declined by the major studios for Mel Gibson's film The Passion of the Christ.

[Helphand]

I know, I know, it's totally onanistic responding to one's own posts but the magnitude of this topic - given its absence from the agenda of all other UK political parties in the General Election just passed - merits the mention of at least one money reform political organisation in the UK:

<http://www.moneyreformparty.org.uk/download/index.php>

I haven't yet worked out if they're false opposition or what. But you'd think that with threats of 6% more on income tax, doubtless other taxes, and major cuts in government expenditure, plus no real discussion by the parties of *how* their savings to close the deficit gap would be realised in detail,  people (and I mean the general population out there) would start finding this dry topic worthy of their attention...

[InLaKesh]

IMO, they need to be rooted out of every influential sector of society from which they utilize to manipulate from behind the scenes. Though, the complete eradication of fractional reserve banking is of the utmost imminent priority, we can not compromise the other aspects of the problem for the threat of malevolent interests would still exist, thereby jeopardizing all the progress we gained in the first place. It would be ashame to end the banking matter only to see it reinstated because they were able to manipulate it back into being through all the other tools they currently have at their disposal. While the masses are beginning to come face to face with the perils at hand, NOW, is as good a time as any to attack on all fronts, particularly on unsound money.

Thinking about the greatness of our endeavor, I can't help but to ponder an illuminating story of the wise man and the fool, found in "Mao's Little Red Book":
A foolish old man went to North Mountain and began to dig; a wise old man passed by and said, "Why do you dig, foolish old man? Do you not know that you cannot move the mountain with a little shovel?" But the foolish old man answered resolutely, "While the mountain can not get any higher, it will get lower with each shovelful. When I pass on, my sons and his sons and his sons sons will go on making the mountain lower. Why can't we move the mountain?" And the foolish old man kept digging, and the generations that followed after him, and the wise old man looked on in disgust. But the resoluteness and the spirit of the generations that followed the foolish old man touched God's heart, and God sent two angels who put the mountain on their backs and moved the mountain.
     When he spoke of God he spoke of the millions of people that struggled in the the same great endeavor.

[Free Truth]

Much time can be spent and interest had discussing the origin and identity of the Jews; the effects they have had on societies over thousands of years; crypto jewish personalities; and so on.

However the thought occurs from time to time that this is all a distraction, a diversion.

It could be described as that, but given the undeniable role of so-called jews, "judaism" and zionism, I see it as much more complicated.
Maybe not a distraction but a trap...

And given the power of the Zionist media in shaping popular thought and instilling fear of expressing anti-Jewish sentiment, is the airing of such matters likely to achieve any concrete results? Did Stalin not say he couldn't care if 10% of the population knew the truth so long as the other 90% didn't?

Rather then "fear(ing)...expressing anti-Jewish sentiment," there's an adoption of their beliefs, values and version of history that has the socialized individual oppose anything that goes against their "jew" created or, actually, legitimately "jewish" paradigm.

We face a huge Catch 22...

The truth in general is "anti-semitic."
It seems that after the creation of the world zionist organization 1897, or (especially!) some time after WW2, they decided to run with it.  

Because of this, we must be careful about not falling into the joo joo trap and we must be careful about how we try to convert goyim to truth.

This is a tricky discussion to have.
It would be great to have this idea properly tackled at TIU. We should all be on the same (correct) page.

The division of wealth is our ultimate problem (everything else stems from this) and the manipulation of the masses by way of belief and/or race is the brilliant work of the beneficiaries of the divide.
It's a trap that protects them...

When you see the inability to form any real resistance or the looks you may (do and will) get for speaking truth, in the futility and the idiot you see the genius.

[Helphand]

Reverting to topic, here for example is the Earl of Caithness speech (cols. 1869-1871) mentioned in one of the MRP leaflets, in which the defects of the English debt based fractional reserve money system are briefly but pointedly discussed:

<http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1997/mar/05/the-economy#column_1869>

These MRP leaflets state that the UK politicians have also made sporadic attempts in recent times to grips with the system by e.g. calling for debates, establishing governmental committees, including MPs:

-- Captain Henry Kirby, who tabled an Early Day Motion in 1964;
-- Austin Mitchell and David Chayter who tabled an Early Day Motion in 1997 (EDM 390?).

Also Labour Peer Lord Beswick's speech of 27 November 1985 , Hansard vol. 468 (hl), cols. 935-939.

it is topical and interesting to note that David Chayter is now one of the three former Parliamentarians who is being sued for alleged fraudulent expenses claims.  Are the banksters after him?

[Helphand]

CORRECTION to my previous, bodged when a/c about to run out.

Chayter: not 'sued'; *prosecuted*.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

i apologize for derailing ur thread HelpHand. I've cleaned it up. Carry on.

[Free Truth]

MSMD, there was no need to delete my posts. You could and should have attempted to discuss.

I'm still interested so I have a couple of questions.

Much time can be spent and interest had discussing the origin and identity of the Jews; the effects they have had on societies over thousands of years; crypto jewish personalities; and so on.

However the thought occurs from time to time that this is all a distraction, a diversion.

It could be described as that, but given the undeniable role of so-called jews, "judaism" and zionism, I see it as much more complicated.
Maybe not a distraction but a trap...

And given the power of the Zionist media in shaping popular thought and instilling fear of expressing anti-Jewish sentiment, is the airing of such matters likely to achieve any concrete results? Did Stalin not say he couldn't care if 10% of the population knew the truth so long as the other 90% didn't?

Rather then "fear(ing)...expressing anti-Jewish sentiment," there's an adoption of their beliefs, values and version of history that has the socialized individual oppose anything that goes against their "jew" created or, actually, legitimately "jewish" paradigm.

We face a huge Catch 22...

The truth in general is "anti-semitic."
It seems that after the creation of the world zionist organization 1897, or (especially!) some time after WW2, they decided to run with it.  

Because of this, we must be careful about not falling into the joo joo trap and we must be careful about how we try to convert goyim to truth.

This is a tricky discussion to have.
It would be great to have this idea properly tackled at TIU. We should all be on the same (correct) page.

The division of wealth is our ultimate problem (everything else stems from this) and the manipulation of the masses by way of belief and/or race is the brilliant work of the beneficiaries of the divide.
It's a trap that protects them...

When you see the inability to form any real resistance or the looks you may (do and will) get for speaking truth, in the futility and the idiot you see the genius.

1. Is there anything in my post that you disagree with?

2. Which do you think is the greater problem that we all face? -The division of wealth in the world or "jews?"

[Free Truth]

And also to anybody else that has anything to contribute to this question/thought...

Which do you think is the greater problem that we all face? -The division of wealth in the world or "jews?"

[Wimpy]

Not fond of your choices but I see this as a chicken/egg issue.   Jews would precede or at least greatly exacerbate the division of wealth for without the Jewish influence, their laws, their love of legalese and contracts, their monopolistic mindset and the creation of illusion as reward for greed theft and fraud.  In days past Kings and Royalty sucked the peasants dry, with Jews an entire tribe sucks everyone else dry.  Surely the statistics of the richest people in the world being predominantly Jewish would somehow clue people as to the source of this current division of wealth.

Is the division of wealth the problem or the people behind it?

[Free Truth]

That's a pretty good answer...

But to be perfectly honest it was a loaded question because the word "jew" always needs to be defined.

When we say "jew" we are using a word that has unfairly come to represent a culture, race and religion.

So-called jews are identifiable as being responsible for much of the world's misery over the last century (or two) and more so with each decade. The alleged historical record of "them" being thrown out of many countries in earlier centuries to (seemingly try to) validate an anti-"jewish" view is questionable to me.

i just don't feel like we are currently analyzing this the best that we could.
The latest TIU/TFC felt pretty "jew" heavy (only listened once)...

There is so much more to say on this.
Hopefully more members will contribute their thoughts.

[Free Truth]

We know of all the so-called jews and what they're responsible for, or, what role they've
played, but our enemy is the rich.

[Wimpy]

Well then, you've defined a problem.  Who comprises the richest group and is therefore your enemy; North Koreans?

[Free Truth]

Alrighty then...

Are the billionaires Talmudists?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

We know of all the so-called jews and what they're responsible for, or, what role they've
played, but our enemy is the rich.

This sounds like something a communist would say.