Hello to the new hardcore

[Negentropic]

Greetings to Everyone at TIU

I currently reside in Canoga Park, CA, by now probably a 60% Mexican suburb of Los Angeles just north of Woodland Hills and south of Chatsworth for anyone familiar with the San Fernando Valley area out here.  At least 2 gigantic Vallarta Mexican supermarkets over here in just a 3 square mile area should tell you the story of the neighborhood.  When we first moved here the neighborhood was probably 70% white.

I am of Armenian descent, mom from Lebanon, Dad from Iran. I was transferred to the West Coast of the USA as a small lad after the Ayatollah of Rock'n'a-hollah was installed by the Rothschilds (let's face it, CIA, Mossad, MI5, all these turds don't do a damn thing major, especially nothing as big as a revolution in a really big-ass country unless the kings-of-the-western hemisphere give their ok)  and the arrogant ex-puppet before him who had started to bite the hand that fed said his final farewell. Now, to what extent the Islamic Revolution turned genuine after that old decrepit douche was installed and whether it represents an authentic opposition to zio-bankster world power today under Ahmedinejacket, I don't exactly know. Eustace Mullins certainly didn't think either Iran or Russia represented authentic opposition and said so on one of the DBS interviews he did. Well, Russia and Putin have been proven to be 100% full of shit with all the Lubavitchers running rampant over there.  But if Israel, through their owners, the Rothschilds, already owns Iran through puppet proxy then why all the big dog-&-pony show?  I don't see why they would bother to push for war with Iran so much for their attack dogs the USA grunts to die in if Iran was not in some way being a major pain in their ass, just as Saddam probably was towards the end.  

As far as the so-called "truth movement" goes, I started off around 2000 on my brother's computer researching the extent of the veracity of the holohoax on whatever websites had info at the time. Took me about 6 months of research to figure out whatever I needed to know about that one: enough pieces of the puzzle fitted together  to let you see what the big picture is without having to put every last piece in there.  When they started locking up revisionists left and right for just expressing their opinions  that only confirmed that the research was on target. A lot of those websites were being linked by a weird-looking long-haired guy with a mustache named Jeff Rense. At the time, there was only a drawing of him there and a lot of UFO stuff in one column. I remember thinking from the very beginning. What the hell is this guy doing with all this UFO nonsense on the same page as all the rest of this valid info? Doesn't he know that people will just point at the UFO crap and laugh at him?  I couldn't figure out if the guy was a hippie or what. He seemed like a contradictory combination of hippie and conservative.

At this point I had already stopped watching TV altogether. I just hated the way I felt when I watched TV.  I knew I was being manipulated but it got to a point where I felt a deep psychic pain just watching TV. Even when 9/11 hit a year later, I still refused to watch any TV when everyone I knew was glued to their idiot box shitting their pants.  I got all my information from the net, watched the videos on the net, all at my leisure. I remember thinking on 9/11 itself, ok. let's say a bunch of Arabs did fly those planes because they were pissed off at the US supporting Israel in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine but how in the hell are they going to explain who placed the explosives in those buildings?   How did a whole team of demolition and explosives experts get past all that security at the WTC?  I was anticipiating a major cockamamie story that never came!  Instead they expected people to believe that 2 planes caused the buildings to burn for a while and then drop down directly into their footprints!!!!  To this day, I still can't believe that there are people who can actually fall for a story that far removed from reality and the laws of physics and never bother to investigate it!

One of the things I did on 9/11 like a lot of other people was to type "What Really Happened? into google to find out, well  'what really happened?'  The "What Really Happened" website came up and seemed to be everything I was looking for, it had been around for many years before 9/11 and now was on the 9/11 truth developments on a daily basis. I became a daily reader of that website.  It was through Rivero and WhatReallyHappened.com that I confirmed all my suspicions as well-founded and found that others besides a few friends and family, in fact, people all over the world agreed with me.  When I saw that Rense was more hardcore on international  Zionism than Rivero who mainly focused on Israel / Palestine, I started visiting Rense every day also but never reading any of the UFO articles, I had no interest at all in that part of his website.

As far as Alex Jones goes, at this point I knew he existed through some links from Rivero but never bothered to listen to his radio show because I saw, from the beginning, that he was scared of Israel and the Zionists.  He seemed to stick up for all oppressed people except the Palestinians. To me Rivero and Rense provided all the links I needed and there was no reason to listen to Jones. Compared to Rivero and Rense, Jones seemed like a lightweight at the time. It was only after Rivero got his own Radio show on GCN that I immediately subscribed to GCN, just to listen to Rivero. When Rivero's radio show turned out to suck compared to his website, I started listening to Alex and the blowhard redneck was funny and entertaining and had a lot of super-detailed knowledge of nuts-&-bolts aspects of all things freedom movement related so I got sucked in and started listening to Alex on a daily basis.  He seemed to have integrity for a while and his monthly 3 hour appearances on Rense sure did a lot of damage control for his almost complete lack of focus on Zionism or sympathy for the Palestinian cause.  After all, if he goes on Rense and talks to Rivero, then he must be just as hardcore as them, right?  He's just using strategy to get past the anti-semite label and get more people in the movement, right?  Wrong!  He was going on Rense and talking to Rivero to keep his street-cred with people like me who were already anti-zionists / pro-Palestinian and we were foolish enough to give him that cred.  He was getting a big chunk of the Rense crowd, the Rivero crowd visiting his website when they otherwise would not have by appearing with them.  I also listened to "The Dynamic Duo" with Kevin Barrett and Jim Fetzer at this time but they've since turned out to be relative lightweights when it comes to the Zionist issue.  DBS had his French Connection show on GCN at the time but I remember it disappearing without a trace before I got a chance to listen to an entire show and fell off the radar unless you were actively looking for the guy.

When Zundel got arrested and deported to Canada into solitary confinement for two years and Alex didn't even mention it on his website while Rense and Rivero carried big stories every day,  I cancelled my membership  to GCN and was done with the fuck. At this point, angry at the fat bastard, I started searching for people who were criticizing Jones hardcore. After a while I ended listening to some weird, completely obscure radio show on youtube with hardly 50 listeners called "The Joe Blow Conspiracy Show" which made fun of Alan Watt and Alex Jones and every other person on in the Truth movmenet that didn't seem to be genuine. It had an Iranian guy from Sweden by way of Texas running the shenanigans.  This guy seemed to be a little crazy but turned out to be funny as hell and very entertaining which betrayed the vast amount of knowledge he had accumulated underneath. He linked directly to iamthewitness.com and theinfounderground which quickly became two more websites I visited on a daily basis.   The more I listened to DBS and Ognir, the less I visited  "whatreallhappened.com."   Rivero just wasn't hardcore enough anymore to keep my interest.  I soon found out about DBS's big shitfit over Bollyn with Hufshit which kept most people from linking to him, suspecting him of being an agent or at the very least highly unstable. Well, Rivero and Rense for two, will link to Bollyn but not DBS and Info underground.  Basically, anyone that can point to Rense's UFO articles or Bill Cooper's UFO stuff and non-mention of Zionists as supposed proof that they're disinfo agents can also point to the infamous DBS shitfit as proof that he's disinfo.

DBS to me is a genius level brilliant guy but very schizoid and when the Mr. Hyde part takes over, he jumps the gun and badmouths everyone too soon and ends up self-sabotaging himself.  He did this before with Texe Marrs and almost did it with one of his greatest guests, Adrian Salbuchi the other day.  He seems to be on a life-&-death mission now to out Rivero as a deep-cover agent which to me is energy misspent. Rivero is no longer the hardcore of the movement and will never catch up to the hardcore. But, did he run "Israel Did 9/11, all the proof needed?"  Yes, even if he won't give credit to info-underground due to what? Yes, the DBS connection.  Doing too many Catholic-Pedo shows is not enough to convict Rivero after 15 years of solid work. As far as Rense goes, DBS can talk all he wants but except for the UFO crap which I was never interested in anyway, the guy hasn't done one thing to make me call him a shill except not burn any bridges and not pick fights with people he doesn't agree with (basically the polar opposite of DBS in terms of his relations with people), the major exception being Alex Jones and even in that instance, Rense didn't pick the fight, he just asked a few valid questions, after which Alex picked the fight and got Rense fired,.  What Rense needs is better guests like DBS, Ognir and Rafeeq but DBS sabotaged that by giving Rense an ultimatum over his UFO stuff.  Salbuchi gets to go on Rense and come back and be on DBS but if Ognir and Rafeeq did it they would be outright excommunicated by DBS!!!! C'mon, you guys know it's true!! :lol:   Rense's radio show's gotten increasingly boring as he keeps having irrelevant people like Tarpley and Niman on and then, at the same time, crazy egomaniac anti-zios like Rifat going over the edge but he keeps hitting the article links as hardcore as anybody out there and that's all that really matters.  For proof, check out Pak Alert's (ha ha ha, c'mon I know it was monkeyseemonkeydo from tiu) "Israel did 9/11" All the Proof needed permanently linked on his main page.  Rense is hardcore and keeping up with the times,  Rense's audience is HUGE. Second only to fat-fuck Alex. Salbuchi is the bridge to Rense. DBS pressuring Salbuchi not to go on Rense like he tried to do on yesterday's show is absolute bullshit.
 :crazy:

[Ognir]

Good intro, welcome

[MikeWB]

Now, that's an intro!

You've raised a ton of interesting points and I agree with almost every one of them! You are definitely clued in and know what's going on in the World and also in the movement itself.

Welcome to TiU! Glad you registered!!!

[VoltaXebec]

Mike stole my line "Now, that's an intro!"  :lol:

Best intro I've read on here. Welcome  

Being of Armenian descent, what are your views on the Armenian Genocide in general (Have you done much research on it?) and Christopher Jon Bjerknes in particular (In regard to the Armenian Genocide and him in general)?

[kolnidre]

To our latest member, in DBS style I offer my welcome, welcome welcome to TIU.

Mike stole my line "Now, that's an intro!"  :lol:

Best intro I've read on here. Welcome  

Being of Armenian descent, what are your views on the Armenian Genocide in general (Have you done much research on it?) and Christopher Jon Bjerknes in particular (In regard to the Armenian Genocide and him in general)?

Not to derail this fantastic intro, but I thought I'd interject just one observation about Bjerknes. One way to gauge whether someone is trustworthy or accurate, or at least intelligent, is to examine what they say about something you know more than they do about. Having read a CJB piece about the division of China and Taiwan, I must offer that he is a very astute observer and researcher and in this particular case he's right on the money, in my humbly expert opinion.

Now back to our regularly scheduled introductions.

[scorpio]

Excellent observations.
I have come to the same conclusions on many of the topics that you brought up.
I, too, have always thought that DBS was way too quick and burn bridges.
As far as Rense goes, at least he is not afraid to discuss the zio issue, although he does have some nutty and kooky guests, like Benjamin Fulford.
The secret society ninjas are going to take out the illuminati at any minute, don't ya know!  :lol:

Welcome and I look forward to your future posts.  :up:

[kolnidre]

Where do they come up with this kind of stuff? People want to believe in saviors, but ninjas?

I haven't listened to Rense in ages. Does he still have Fulford on regularly? That guy sounds like he was slipped a funky dose of hallucinogens.

[Negentropic]

Yeah, as far as the Armenian genocide goes I've known about Bjerkness and his book for a while now and it is right on the money

Bjerkness does other things to discredit himself though like accusing Rafeeq of being pro-Madoff out-of-context without having listened to the rest of what Rafeeq said , demanding Rafeeq come clean with his original name and concluding he's a Jew if he doesn't (who cares if he is? So were Freedman, Bernstein and Fagan, so is Rivero, so is Bjerkness himself) and other ridiculous nonsense.

Kapner's more than a little bit of a religious nut but he seems passionate about Christian issues and citing Bjerkness, among others, has the best timeline of the Jewish genocide of the Armenian Christians on his website: http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=77

Bascially if you can prove the leaders of the Young Turks were secret Jews (donmeh), then it follows that Jews rather than Turks planned the whole thing and the moslems just followed orders and carried it out.  Political leaders in their turn don't do too much unless given the finances and ok from powers above them the rabbis and the bankers.

Hey they even admitted it themselves. Here's the best site collecting lots of info
http://www.atajew.com/

It wasn't hard convincing myself.   If I  get enough pieces of the puzzle I usually see the big picture without having to fill the rest in. What's hard is convincing other Armenians of this and getting past their lifetime's worth of conditioning.  I gave my parents the Kapner time-line and referred them to Bjerkness and his book. They took a look or two  and then went back into denial. My 90 year old uncle from D.C. who speaks 8 languages and still travels to L.A. two or three times a year (completely on his own, the guy's healthier than most 50 year olds) took a lot more interest in Bjerkness. I think he knows now what the real deal was that went down.  He was in complete denial about 9/11 though the last time I met him soso go figure!!


Armenians in general, being the first official Christian nation on earth (301 A.D.) and having had first hand experience with Jews in all the middle-eastern countries for the thousand years they had no nation,  are very Anti-Jew. They are at the same time 100% aware of how much power Jews wield and scared of them, not scared shitless like Alex Jones, they'll talk about Jews all day but kind of like a dingleberry skid-mark in the underwear scared under phony fronts of bravery that under pressure turns into outright diarrea.   As soon as their middle-class livelihoods get threatened they shut they hell up and start kissing ass. Especially the Armenian lawyers and doctors because they sure as hell have no illusions about who runs their professions. The Jews in general sure as hell don't like the Armenians and never have-- in Beirut, Tehran, Baghdad, Syria or anywhere else. The older Armenians can tell you story after story about how this Jew and that Jew tried to screw them over and how this and that Armenian spat in their face and didn't take their shit.  For a famous example, William Saroyan divorced his wife and the mother of his two kids immediately when he found out for all the time they had known each other she had pretended to be WASP when in fact she was Jewish. She later married the Jew actor Walter Matthau of Odd Couple fame.  

Despite all this bad blood, through the gigantic weapon of the holohoax the  Jews play the victim card with most Armenians of middle class status and completely succeed. These same Armenians feel sorry for the same Jews they don't generally like because of their so-called even greater level of suffering than them.  After all, we lost only 1.5 million (according to the official story, actual numbers are probably lower but no Armenian is going to throw me in jail  for that unless I was in France), they lost 6 friggin holy million in chambers of gas !!!!  (hey, they all watch Talmud-vision too so what do you expect?) So they try to pretend to be buddy-buddies with Jews on this holocaust/genocide issue, hey we'll support you if you support us, let's be common sufferers united, etc. and get sphincter-samuraied by them in return!!!!    The Jews don't even accept it as an official genocide much less do anything for the Armenians. The exception being  France, where, due to the large population of Armenians over there and a warbling Armenian midget supposedly being their Frank Sinatra and good friends with Chirac, they, the ever-pragmatic-&-eager-to-kiss-up-to-the-Jews Armenians were stupid enough to piggy-back their genocide onto Jewish holohoax-denial laws, therefore joining the killers of free-speech. It almost made me puke when I heard that they had thrown their genocide in there with the very people who, everywhere except in France, actively deny it and refuse to acknowledge it!!!


The thing you've got to understand about Armenians is this: As much as they get propagandized from the outside like everyone else about the Nazis and Hitler being the ultimate evil, they get even more propagandized from the inside their own community about the Turks being the ultimate evil. The Turks this, the Turks that, blah blah blah. No Turk can ever do right, blah blah.  What's funny is that the Armenians that still live in Turkey love the place!!!  They speak Turkish with each other and only Armenian or English with non-Turkish Armos.  My brother's best friend is Turkish-Armenian and he loves going back there to Istanbul and stuff on vacation. It's the Armenians that haven't lived with Turks that really hate their guts.  My mom, for example, would never dream of going to Turkey on vacation. She's seen way too many Armenian genocide documentaries in her day, none of them identifying the main culprits. She's a very nice lady in general but has a virulent hatred of all things Turkish. Having grown up with Arabs and Persians in different middle-eastern countries, she has no animosity towards other moslems and is totally friendly with all of them, just not the Turks. My mom wouldn't buy a piece of cheese she really liked if it said product of Turkey on it whereas all the jewllywod kosher boys drive BMW's, Mercedes and Porsches. Hell, even the rabbis in New Jersey who got busted for selling organs had expensive German cars parked in the parking lot   http://www.economywatch.com/economy-business-and-finance-news/Need_a_Kidney_NJ_Rabbis_are_here_to_Help_26-07.html


This last one goes out to Ognir. An Armenian that got to be KING OF THE IRISH for a day, courtesy of Time magazine no less:

[VoltaXebec]

Thanks for the insight. I can understand William Saroyan divorcing his wife, I'd probably do the same, not because she's a jew but for not coming clean before the marriage.

"An Armenian that got to be KING OF THE IRISH for a day", such why not, everyone else has :lol:

[Christopher Marlowe]

Welcome Negentropic. On Jim Rome's sports radio show he would say: "Have a take and don't suck." I must say you came with batteries because you were going strong right out of the box.  Your comma-less discussion of the various alternative news sites was very astute and well  balanced.  

It's interesting to hear how the LA demographics have changed. Many years ago I used to play football against Canoga Park, and at that time the area was mostly upper middle class white people. I believe that most of the money came from engineering and high-wage blue collar jobs with firms like Rocketdyne. (Rocketdyne, as you know, built the engines for the Saturn V rockets that we all pretend sent men to the moon. They also built the engines for the MX Peacekeeper missile system that has kept all the peace in the world since their deployment.)

I guess the interesting thing about demographic changes is how much they are influenced by economic conditions. The houses in the SF valley were initially inhabited by single families with one wage earner. Later on it became necessary for women to work in order to afford a home. At one point, houses in that area were so expensive that the people who worked at Rocketdyne very often had to commute from their houses in Palmdale.  Now the valley seems to be inhabited by the two extremes: In some neighborhoods, like Toluca Lake, there are large homes worth millions that are inhabited by Jewish people who just happen to speak Russian. (The beneficiaries of all the wealth that was produced by communism in the Soviet Union).  Then you can walk a couple of blocks away and find multi-family dwellings: either apartments or single family homes with a family in every room.  More extreme rich and poor.  What happened to the middle class?  (Perhaps the middle class is a sign of freedom.  Those fat profits we see from Wall Street and other make-believe money schemes are really organized theft empowered by corrupt governments. The poverty results when people are denied adequate wages or other access to capital, and cannot generate wealth: the new slave class.)

[Negentropic]

I can personally confirm the Jew-Russians in expensive houses part because I see a family like that every other week when I go to garage sales every Saturday. I go because I sell stuff on e-bay and amazon to pay the rent and haven't had a 'regular' 9-to-5 for 5 years now (another reason I get to listen to so much 'truth movement' audio since most of my work is done on this computer).  You'll have to search long and hard before you find a single Christian Russian family in an expensive million dollar house in Sherman Oaks or Toluca Lake.  http://www.jewishjournal.com/community_briefs/article/a_growing_presence_20030110/

They were not the beneficiaries of whatever money went around in Russia before or after the deliberate ending of western-zio-supported communism in order to set the stage for world government. Neither were the prole Armenian Christians.

The prole-Armenians fared even worse than the prole-Russians. Their culture and learning seems to have been systematically destroyed. I know they had a lot of culture because my grandmother's family in Yerevan Armenia during Czarist Russian times lived in a big house and she went to the  prestigious St. Petersburg conservatory of music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg_Conservatory
and years later, transplanted from Baghdad to Beirut and finally Tehran and remarried (her first husband fought on the white Russian side and was executed by the Red Army), became a piano teacher with 30 to 40 students, supporting her entire family that way. Those people of culture are a small minority in the Armenia of today whereas they used to be the middle class majority before Soviet era corruption ran endemic.  The Armenian mafia in Hollywood (actually, in my opinion, in its upper-leadership, a definite arm of the Jewish run so-called 'Russian Mafia' without whose wider connections they would not have much power  
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 ) is comprised of these transplanted ex-Soviet proles, so used to black market dealings and stealing in the Soviet times that it's easy pickings for them in the US.


They run scam after scam, insurance, welfare, credit card, dealing drugs, pimping Thai and white Russian hookers, you name it. They steal from other Armenians, especially middle-eastern Armenians whom they hate and they get in gangwars with the Latinos, the blacks, the Vietnamese-Cambodians, pretty much everyone.  They also hate the Christian Russians who hate them back because the Russians have much better attitude and morals despite having been co-proles. They're into showing off more than anything else. Driving Beamers and Mercedes while living in cheap apartments.


that looks pretty douchebag for sure but at least they didn't take too much fashion advice from this guy


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The Soviet system did this to them, to the Armenians in particular even more than the Russian Christians. Armenians from nowhere else are like this and are totally embarrassed of these punk bastards, 18,000  of whom are are in prisons out of a community of only about 250,000 in California http://aramanoogian.blogspot.com/2007/05/18000-armenians-in-california-prisons.html

Compare this to the Iranian Armenians during the Shah's time, close to 3 million strong with no more than a few hundred to a  thousand people in the prisons at any one time and some of those being political prisoners locked up for opposing the Shah.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Armenians

[Free Truth]

Hello, Negentropic.

Thank you for sharing.

And thanks especially for the insight into Armenian views on the genocide and so much more.

[kolnidre]

Negentropic,

Your insight and personal experiences/observations are greatly appreciated. Great to have you here.

[Free Truth]

CJB was making all kinds of claims about DBS/Ognir and Co...

The bottom line is he was offered an opportunity to come on TIU to discuss and clear up any issues he has and he did not take it.

Speaking of CJB and the Armenian genocide though, I recently saw this video and figured this to be a perfect place to share it.
Bjerknes knows the genocide like the back of his hand and he did (and has done) a great job talking about it here.

Look at how he pulls names and other information right off the top of his head.
He's obviously extremely sharp, so it's a shame (and perplexing) that he has been so unreasonable.

[youtube:1wrq52bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBFleg8nvzg[/youtube]1wrq52bo]

[VoltaXebec]

He's obviously extremely sharp, so it's a shame (and perplexing) that he has been so unreasonable.

I think it's intellectual snobbery.

[Negentropic]

However, he (Bjerkness) does believe that 'millions' died in the Jew Holo-king-of-all-causts also as he revealed on Hesham Tellawi's show a while back.  This goes against David Irving, whom he supported when he was arrested and imprisoned, but who, last time I checked, puts the number dying in the camps at around 200,000 and none, not even one from execution through gassing but through disease (typhus), starvataion, execution by gun and other causes.  So I guess Bjerkness has the documents Irving, Zundel and Faurisson and the rest of the revisionists have been looking for for the last 40 years.  Maybe he doesn't want the whole of 'independent' 'free-speech-advocating' Jew York to come down on his ass expressing their 'free speech' in protest

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=david+irving&FORM=BIFD#focal=9b8da2a11c008b622d47aefdb2d90924&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fnyc.indymedia.org%2Fimages%2F2009%2F11%2F108130.jpg

but DBS still thinks that Irving is an agent, not to mention a homosexual/bisexual  because he writes for half the year in Key West, go figure that one out. I'd like to see DBS take the shit that Irving took for 35 years and then do 2 years in prison.  When he does that, then he can talk shit about Irving, otherwise he should just have another shitfit and send his Vegas connection to whack Hufshit just for Bollyn putting a picture of him on the net, that's if he can't choke him through the phone first!!    :wtf:

[mchawe]

For what it is worth I met David Irving and spoke to him face to face after he gave a talk in Brisbane Australia in the late 1980s. He said the Holocaust was exaggerated in his opinion, more like 600,000 but there was no way of knowing exactly. What struck me about him was that he was a serious historian and was more interested in what actually happened than anything else. If it had been 6 million, he would have said so.
A few years later the Howard Government refused him entry into Australia, a so-called land of free speech on the grounds he was a holocaust denier. How can saying 'more like 600,000',  be a holocaust denier ?
I have learnt a lot on this site. One thing, he was not allowed to call the curator of Auschwitz as a witness to his trial. It would have really debunked the Holocaust and they could not risk that !
Welcome also from me.

[Free Truth]

He passes the litmus test (Irving)...

I wasn't aware Bjerknes had claimed that 6 millyo... I find it hard to believe, actually...  

he (Bjerkness) does believe that 'millions' died in the Jew Holo-king-of-all-causts

What exactly did he mean by millions?
I'd be surprised if he ever claimed the official tale let alone still maintains it!

[Ognir]

Jerkieknees also believes we landed on the moon, 6 million ... pattern

He'll probably write about us again soon, fuck'em :up:

[Negentropic]

Bjerkness and Rivero can form a little moon-landing club together.

For the record, and in all fairness, Bjerkness didn't say 6 million, he just said 'millions.'   Maybe when he researches the subject as throroughly as he researched the Armenian genocide he'll adjust his numbers downwards year by year the way Irving and the other revisionists have.  He won't need to do too much original research on his own because most of the research has already been done and is pretty conclusive , something Jeff 'Sasquatch' Rense doesn't admit when he calls for 'a new investigation.'  Sasquatch Rense not coming clean that the evidence of the past 40 years is already pretty conclusive  and calling for a 'new investigation' when everyone knows he knows better is the reason Lorraine Day broke with him and  won't appear on his show anymore.  

[Negentropic]

The Soviet system did this to them, to the Armenians in particular even more than the Russian Christians. Armenians from nowhere else are like this and are totally embarrassed of these punk bastards, 18,000 of whom are are in prisons out of a community of only about 250,000 in California http://aramanoogian.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... isons.html

Compare this to the Iranian Armenians during the Shah's time, close to 3 million strong with no more than a few hundred to a thousand people in the prisons at any one time and some of those being political prisoners locked up for opposing the Shah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Armenians

My dad laughed at me when I told him wikipedia says there were 3 million Armenians in Iran during the Shah's time. He said Wikipedia is full of shit and it was more like 300,000 in the whole country. So correction to that number. I must have been retarded to think there were that many. The Wikipedia writer probably just left one too many zeros in there by mistake.  Basically that makes Armenians an even tinier minority in Iran and they had quite a bit of influence and success there despite their small numbers.

[thirdeyewise]

I must say, that was a very robust intro. WELCOME!!

[stoneskull]

hey mate..

great to read you.

about rense.. i think it is important to see how it can work the other way..

ok yes, he may lose credibility.. in the eyes of people who just ingest mainstream media anyway..

but think of all the people out there who do believe in UFOs and things like that.
a lot of them would be turned on to real issues,
that they had never and perhaps would never have read about before.

those people, UFOlogists and other conspiracy theorists make up a big number of people..
so it would make sense to have the biggest UFO/conspiracy theory site and then link them to the real stuff.

if rense were to take all that nonsense out.. all those people would collect at some other nonsense-dedicated site, and be sheltered from anything sensible.

[Ognir]

Yeah right stoneskull, giving rense the green light to post shite, until when?

He isn't pureplay and it's hard to deal with that

[Negentropic]

Rense had a show once where he said himself that he realized very early on that after porn, UFO's were one of the most popular things people were searching information on using the internet.  This is way back in the early 1990s when Rense first started his show. People were really intrested in porn and UFO's. So to attract a sizeable audience right away he could put naked or semi-naked girls on his site the way you tube videos do when they want to instantly get tons of views or he could explore UFO's. Being a classy guy and having some curiority in that direction himself he went with the UFO's. He started a website called 'sightings' that explored UFO's.  Once he got a big audience that was visiting his site every day he also started reporting unpopular and politically incorrect views from all the sides of the political spectrum and especially outside the usual left-right paradigm or what the mainstream media covered. That's how he got a huge otherwise mostly ignorant audience to get interested in the plight of the Palestinians, the crimes of the Zionists all around the world and throughout history and also, most important of all and way ahead of anyone else of his popularity, the plight of the Revisionist Historians and what they had to say, which is the absolute root, striking at the root of the brainwashing deliberately promulgated over a period of over 60 years, their ultimate media manufactured protection racket. The people who find Rense through the politically incorrect articles, such as myself, are hardly ever interested in the UFO stuff tooo much whereas the UFO people are almost always interested in some of the politically incorrect journalism. See how it works?  Rense is a real smart guy who used strategy to build a huge audience without selling out.  He also attracted another huge audience by covering health issues and alternative medicine. This audience also crosses over to the politically incorrect info. Now, DBS is unable to talk about the holohoax racket and all that because he lives in France although it's obvious where he stands through many statements he's made. DBS has a problem with Rense because Rense doesn't link to him not really because of the UFO stuff, he uses the UFO stuff as a straw man argument. Alex Jones never explores UFOs but Alex Jones has a hundred outrageous claims he can be discredited on. Rense explores UFO's, David Pidcock explores endless nonsense about Islamic prophecy, blah blah, DBS has one on his show blasts the crap out of the other on a regular basis.  The reason Rense doesn't link to DBS is precisely because DBS called him a government agent and shill over the air and badmouths him constantly. Same reason Rense never links to Hufshit. Rense does link to Bollyn because Bollyn never bad-mouthed him and detached himself from both Hufshit and DBS.  Same exact scenario with Rivero. DBS basically destroyed his own ability to get tens-of-thousands of more hits every day through links from Rivero and Rense by badmouthing them both.  Shit, he even called for Rivero to be hanged after a trial for being a traitor!!  Rivero's supposed to link to a guy who wants to hang him for treason?  What planet is DBS from ? He has no one to blame but himself and Hufschmid for starting all the attacks on everyone else in the 'truth movement' in the first place.  Rense and Rivero didn't start these attacks, Hufschmid and DBS did.

Without Rense only a handful of people would know about the wider issues of Zionism and Jewish world power. Rivero doesn't cover the wider issues but focuses mainly on Israel. Texe Marrs is way too religious to draw in too much interest from people who are not religious and into all that  biblical prophecy mumbo jumbo. Rense was the first person I know of aside from Ahmed Rami's Radio Islam to post the entire text of the Benjamin Freedman speeches permanentely on his front page. This was way back in 2001-2002 long before Zundel and subsequently Hufschmid and DBS managed to get the rare actual audio recordings of the speeches. DBS is on record, as late as 2005, on his radio show still talking about 'gas chambers' and 'death camps.'   Still this doesn't stop DBS and Rafeeq from claiming that they were the first with the Benjamin Freedman information when the written text of the entire speech had been prominently displayed on Rense and Radio Islam for many years before, in fact, that's when I first read it way back in 2001-2002.  Rense also exposed people to Eustace Mullins long before DBS had ever even heard of him.

[stoneskull]

for me it began when i was 18 doing an appenticeship in media production.
17 years ago now.. back in 1993.
one of the workers there handed me a copy of Nexus magazine.. which is like the Rense site..
full of nonsense but with some interesting articles too..
i told him, when he passed me the magazine, i don't believe in UFOs and stuff like that.
but he said just give it a read.. so i took it home.
it was full of nonsense.. but there was one article that really sparked my interest..
and that was 'the history of money'.. something i never thought about.. but became very interested in..
it was just part one of an article.. so i bought the next issue.. and the next..
there were interesting articles on the drugs trade.. fluoride in water.. intelligence angencies..
little gems within the garbage (you know..ufos, anti-gravity, moon men, etc)
ended up collecting back issues.. just to read these good articles..
it got me more interested in politics.. joining groups.. subscribing to newsletters..
this was before the internet.. and once i got into the web i gave up the magazine..
but that nonsense big foot stuff magazine was what started me on a journey that got me to TIU today.
i may have got here elseways, who knows, but i am glad i was exposed to it all too..
and at that young age..
when 9-11 happened, it allowed me to immediately say 'you believe what cnn is telling you?'
i didn't think it was aliens or big foot.. i just already knew the government lies, etc.
i'll even read a david icke article now and then, or browse his news links..
even though there is some nonsense, there is interesting material there.
BUT.. that is my own private reading.. when it comes to mainstream forums or chat places i go,
i do not link to sites like rense or david icke because i know the reaction in advance..
i would rather use mainstream sites and credible writers, videos, etc. or just use my own words.
and i spend more time on the mainstream places because i think it's important.
rather than all my time with the already converted.