western assertions regarding Islam

[Negentropic]

Post as much filth and lies as you want, but it won't change the fact you have exposed yourself as a liar and a hateful idiot. Just to remind everyone you claimed that 'when you as a man, under fundamentalist Islamic law have a right to as many wives as you can get, just no adultery with unmarried women'. I asked you for the evidence for such a claim i.e. that a man can have as many wives as he wants, you have failed in producing evidence to support this lie. Rather you have just thrown more insults and lies.

Furthermore, let me ask you which nation race, religion or ideology has been responsible for shedding the most blood, support your answer with empirical evidence.

Let me throw a few events out there; WWI & WWII, the slave trade, the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the indigenous populations of North America and Australia, the bombing or Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the invasion of Iraq 2003 and Afghanistan 2001, the use of agent orange in Vietnam and the legalisation of the murder of unborn children, in the most wicked manner, at 6 months?

Your tactic is to hijack this thread with you anti Iran rhetoric, and divert attention from the main points in my essay. However, your profound ignorance and stupidity has supported my claims i.e. that the rhetoric surrounding accusations of Islam and violence are unfounded and that the most violent nations are those of the western world. You lose truth wins!

4 means 4 wives, can you count up to four?  one two three four wives, not as many wives as you can get but FOUR.  

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   sore loser!!

What did you really think you could censor me as easy as all that?  :lol:





The amount of bloodshed of this group or that group is irrelevant. Collectivism and tribalism ALWAYS SHEDS BLOOD no matter whose flag it's under. A country like the U.S.A has been tricked to be internally individualist and externally collectivist to an extreme. War is nothing more than an extreme form of collective punishment practiced by each side to the complete sacrifice of individuals. If you want no bloodshedding then you should support individual rights only in all countries and under all flags, that will put an end to it because the individual is the smallest minority. The U.S. being suckered bastards of the worst kind abroad says nothing about the Americans being rather very kind people inside the U.S.A.  Even Gilad Atzmon admitted in a recent Rense interview that the Americans in America are some of the kindest people he's ever met on a person-to-person basis.

Violent nations like what? Sweden? Denmark ?  Or maybe Norway.  :lol:  :lol:  Which people are more like the peaceful Scandinavians the U.S. people or the Sharia law muslims? Show me one western country that executes or even whips or canes people for adultery and I'll say you win.  What happens outside the country is bankster or MSE (money shitting elites) funded criminal activity period.  They used or rather suckered the Iranians and the Iraqis for the same purpose in the 8 year Iran Iraq war.

Truth wins, hee hee ha ha .  He says it's truth so it's truth. I've never met a more close-minded person than you in my whole life. Let's all bow down to the truth giver supreme. No one allowed any other opinions or points of view. And don't you call what I pose 'filth,' I thought you loved it when I bashed Ahmedi-stable-boy, so start cheering everytime I bash that poophead misogynist. You're either in the anti-tyranny cheering squad or you're for tyranny. Different flags don't mean a damn thing. It's all collectivism vs. individualism.  It's always been and always will be.  All forms of tyranny are collectivist in nature and all forms of freedom are more or less individualist in nature.  So are you for freedom or not?   If yes then support separating  Islam from the state in all Islamic countries in the same way that Church is seprate from teh state in Western countries to prevent misinterpretation becoming official tyrannical policy.  If not, then you're being dishonest, not me.

[Whaler]

Islamic rule is just another form of collectivism like communism or mercantile capitalism. The only solution is a constitutional republic and free-market capitalism and extreme individualism. That's right, extreme individualism. In fact, Ron Paul without the 9-11 bullshit and the PNAC ties would have been a perfect candidate, that's why it's such a tragedy that he seems to have been another case of controlled opposition limited hangout. America needs to be at the very least just like America was meant to be and was after Jackson. If America falls which it looks like it will, any hope of even what little freedom we still have left fall with it and the world falls, PERIOD. Any re-establishment of freedom of any sort on any level whatsoever can only proceed along American principles already laid down in the constitution which protect the individual against the mob. That's the reality. Go watch the former KGB man like Bezmenov tell you himself :I

Bingo, I don't want any of that Islamic fundamentalist bullshit in my country. Having said that, I respect the right of Islamic countries to practice whatever they want...and I don't want to bomb the shit out of them if they choose to live this way. Muslims have plenty of blood on their hands, as do Americans,UK,Germany,Russia and any other big dumb country the Jews have managed to get their greasy hands on. This site(IMO) is about the 7,000 pound gorilla in the room that every one ignores. The Jews love angry and hostile Muslim regimes. They get a hard on every time some Muslim nutter pronounces America as "the great Satan"....I'll tell you what... If you have been manipulated into thinking Christianity and the Western world is your #1 enemy then maybe you deserve what is coming to you...Because I sure as hell aint bowing down to some 3rd world Muslim shit hole dictator.

[superzebra]

The Jews love angry and hostile Muslim regimes. They get a hard on every time some Muslim nutter pronounces America as "the great Satan"....I'll tell you what... If you have been manipulated into thinking Christianity and the Western world is your #1 enemy then maybe you deserve what is coming to you...Because I sure as hell aint bowing down to some 3rd world Muslim shit hole dictator.

TO ALL TIU AMERICANS MEMBERS A LETTER FROM ARAB CHRISTIAN

if i understand correct your comment you says that the arabs world desreve get wacked out the face of earth because they see usa as #1 enemy.

i do belive that USA YES IS MY ENEMY but NOT CHRISTIANITY AND NOT WESTREN WORLD(SINCE I am arab christian).

when i say usa i do not mean you whaler or scorpio and any real american , i mean by that my enemy is the american system which install all these islamic nutjobs all across the mid-est.I HATE USA THAT SUPLLY ISRAEL NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND ARM ISRAEL.
ALL THOSE ISLAMIC REGIME WERE INSTALL BY THE BRITISH  AFTER WW1
THE SALFI ISLAM AND THOSE AL QEADA NUTJOB ARE CREATION OF AMERICA

SO IF YOU SAY THAT THE ARABS DESREVE TO GET WACKED I SAY USA DESREVE TO GET NUCKED AGAIN BY ISRAEL.

WE KNOW IN THE MID-EST THAT ZIONISM IS THE PROBLOM AND WE KNOW THAT ENTIRE CONFLICT IS CONTROLLED BY HIDDEN POWERS.
 ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE MID-EST IS TO BUY AIR PLAN TICKET AND COME HERE ASK PEOPLE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.
 

AND ALWAYS KEEP IN MINd THE WESTREN WORLD ALWAYS ATACKED US FIRST long before 9/11

i also i want to say that this thread is total nonsense no use for it,only for the zionist.
since you all should know that zionism is the problom not islam or arabs for that matters.
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[Whaler]

i also i want to say that this thread is total nonsense no use for it,only for the zionist.
since you all should know that zionism is the problom not islam or arabs for that matters.

Yeah it's completely fucking useless to what we are trying to do here. Agreed.

You can't blame America exclusively for the Palestinians problems. B. Friedman lays it out pretty well...Americans were suckered into that war by the Jews. Same thing with ww2. So I really don't want to hear that my relatives that died that in ww 2 were doing so knowingly for the Jew. They got tricked just like the soldiers that are in Iraq did. The Jews know that Americans need to be provoked into war so they have been pulling sneaky maniacal false flags on us since 1917.

Again....The only reason you hate America is because they are the latest Jew Frankenstein. If you lived in the Ukraine in the 1930's you would be moaning about the Russians....Are we seeing a FUCKING pattern here??

It's the FUCKING JEWS. Anyone that tries to tell you differently is ignorant, Jewish, compromised or completely fucking mental.

[Whaler]

I HATE USA THAT SUPLLY ISRAEL NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND ARM ISRAEL.

Ahh, well Until 1963 the policy of America was Arab friendly(with a few exceptions)
We did have an American President that tried to stop the Israeli Nuclear program. It didn't work out so well for him and his brother though  




http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/final ... eviews.htm

[Negentropic]

Actually after listening to the entire Mark Glenn show on Devy Kidd. I agree with Glenn. She did go way too far crazy paranoid saying that stuff about Muslims wanting to take over the U.S. when it's clear as day it's the MSE Jew Banksters and their shabbas MSE (money shitting elites) accomodators, traitors. Saying Shariah law is wrong in the countries in which it is practiced and a violation of individual rights is one thing, any fool can see that, but to say that America is directly threatened by it is beyond ridiculous and you have to question who she's shilling for knowingly or unknowingly to butter her bread when she does that.   :crazy:  Rense has a lot of people on that don't agree with him on even the 9-11 issue, much less the Zionist issue and lets them say what they want without challenging them too much but then you wonder what they hell are they doing on Rense when he has so much anti-zionist stuff posted on his front page every single day.  Actually I always wonder how Rense manages to get all these guests on and keep them for years who don't seem to care one bit how much anti-zio / anti-jew stuff he has on his site or some of the crazier (sometimes in a good way, sometimes not) guests he has had on for years.  I mean have any of these people heard Tim Rifat, the egomaniac anti-zionist?  Rifat's been on Rense for over 10 years now!  On almost every show he does on Rense you'll hear the words Jew and Rothschilds at least 20 times!  Recently he's also taken to calling foreigners to his beloved England (whose Mi6 he says has repeatedly tried to kill him), not just the non-white foreigners but white Poles too, VERMIN. :lol:

[Negentropic]

I HATE USA THAT SUPLLY ISRAEL NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND ARM ISRAEL.
Ahh, well Until 1963 the policy of America was Arab friendly(with a few exceptions)
We did have an American President that tried to stop the Israeli Nuclear program. It didn't work out so well for him and his brother though

Kennedy was a fascinating human contradiction; as a human being and how he treated others, especially women, the guy was absolute pond scum, I mean the sleaziest of sleazebags:  

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/cwporter/jfksex.htm

but he managed to do certain things right as president that maybe he was naive or egotistical enough to think he could get away with. That's what cost him his brains.

[Negentropic]

when i say usa i do not mean you whaler or scorpio and any real american , i mean by that my enemy is the american system which install all these islamic nutjobs all across the mid-est

I agree with the gist of what you're trying to say but not the exact wording. Not the American system but the hijacked american government or State. The American system was originally meant to be a constitutional republic with strictly limited government. Statism is its opposite principle, or government running wild, opressing indviduals more and more as it heads towards dictatorship and beyond into straight communism, the dictator's wet dream. What we have in the U.S. now is an advanced form of statism called corporate-state or fascist dictatorship (non-nationalistic and pro-Israel which means, in some very important ways, worse than anything Hitler was, despite all the endless 60 year propaganda to the contrary, at least Hitler was a German nationalist and anti-Jew-rape of his country, something you can't say for any recent U.S. president) heading towards the ultimate advanced disease communism which would finish it forever. Statism is the engine of collectivism or group rule by force both within and outside the country.  The more government you have interfering into people's lives in the economy and otherwise the more statist or collectivist the country is.  Islamic nut-jobs were installed by Americans, British and Israeli combined secret services, outgrowths of statism in all three countries, because they were the ones with the military might to do so, specifically developed might to do exactly things like coups and assassinations and revolutions in foreign lands if necessary. Before that, during the British empire it was mainly British intelligence working for the same elites. No funding, no intelligence operations, it's as simple as that. Tomorrow it can be Pakistani intelligence helping out, Indian intelligence, etc.. All of these are funded by the same Elites. The Iranian people or the Iraqi people or Muslims per-se are not the problem but their leaders.  However, the leaders of the U.S.A. or any other country that's supposedly more free internally have no business invading and occupying any of these countries no matter how nutjob the leadership set up beforehand to act in precisely that way.  Why? Because even if you sincerely want to help an oppressed people throw off the yoke of dictatorship you don't do it by bombing them back to the stone age and killing thousands and millions of innnocent people in the process.  The people of the country itself should throw off their own yoke by revolting against the dicatorship. If they can't do that then they deserve what they get, unfortunately. If an outside country wants to help true freedom-fighters by providing them assistance or not doing anything to strengthen the government more, that's fine, but that's also only possible in a world where banksters don't exist and don't have their tentacles in every piece of action there is the world over; that's why in the real bankster owned world,  most of the freedom-fighting funded in the past century or so has been of the controlled opposition kind, not suspected too much in advance but confirmed later, there to fight like puppets only to always end up at an inevitable defeat or Pyrrhic victory, diferent sides of the same coin.  In the process the will of the people is broken on both sides and they become more ripe for easy looting.   Look at Germany, Germans under Hitler were actually real freedom fighters as far as Germans were concerned as soon as Hitler started issuing his own money but they ended up crushed and so weak after the war that they were easily looted by the Holycost lobby for 60 years.  Then look at England, where did their empire go?  Poof! vanished in thto thin air!  And then look at teh Soviet Union and communism getting half of Europe.  Obviously it was a war to increase the power of communism the world over.  But they left it where it needed to be left to serve as the manufactured enemy they needed for futher wars.

[Negentropic]

Also the exploitation paradigm that  Eiltes play on the world stage  is always communism vs. fascist dictatorship (not nationalistic but puppet dictatorship set up from outside) and never free-market non-usurious creative capitalism if they can help it (not even in the West, all Western countries either accept central banks or they get serious trouble). For foreign nations they want to exploit such as Iran or Iraq or Chile or any other place, what they like is always fascism or dictatorship of some kind because you need just enough freedom to be able to develop the country to loot it but not so much that anyone from within those countries can compete with you or tell you what to do or god-forbid nationalize resources and help their own people too much.   They will bring in a much more extreme dictatorship like Khomeini's or Soviet style communism in the old days or even straight out barbaric military occupation to replace a previously westernized one like the Shah's or Saddam's or in the case of commies, Hungary or Czeckoslovakia or some country that's not towing the line.  Now they bring in all these people both extreme and not so extreme under a combination of planted agents in positions of power and  false pretenses to useful idiots who go along with it.  Then they usually demonize these extreme governments that they helped install to create fear of communism or fear of Islam or fear of whatever in the much freer Western world. When the useful idiots discover they were duped there can be backlash to a certain extent but they're stuck with their dictatorship and cannot change it.  The reason Iran won't moderate or the Soviet Union didn't moderate is because what would happen? One, they could lose internal power and have people revolt and turn the country more moderately fascist or even god-forbid democratic. Two they use the excuse that moderating would mean giving the decadent West (same as communists did) a free reign to exploit the country ( true for sure, because as long as a country stays collectivist or democratic and not individualist-combined-with-anti-usury, it will usually stay open to exploitation by design but when you exploit your own people through such vicious laws, who are you to talk about foreign exploitation? It  makes them the most complete hypocrites whether they have the whole thing justified in their own heads through some perverted idea of  'doing good for their countrymen' or not ) to crackdown on their populations even more.  It's like a Catch 22 situation and it's a brilliant gambit by whoever was the s.o.b. that came up with it.  It keeps them at a stale-mate forever, Westernize and be exploited again, don't Westernize and be exploited by your own and serve as boogieman supreme. That's why the Iranians haven't been successful in overthrowing their dastardly regime for the past 30 years.

[Negentropic]

" My sixth advisory is this: Do not rise to the Zionist bait and blame the economic depression on Muslim immigrants in Europe and elsewhere. For sure, I'm as mad as hell when I read of 'honour murders' in accordance with illegal Shariah law and fully approve of sending in the full force of law to hang the bastards for any crimes they may have committed against their own children on secular soil. But remain vigilantly wary of the mainstream media and their hysterical reporting, and avoid any association with Zionist controlled organisations, such as the English Defence League and the BNP. They are the anti-English tools of the Zionist New World Order establishment.

My seventh advisory is this: Love your fellow human being, whoever he or she may be. We are all about to face a severity of economic hardship unknown to even the eldest among us. The ruling elites will rejoice at our apportioning the blame to this group or that. They always win by means of dividing us and setting us at war with one another.

We have a unique opportunity to defeat the billionaire psychopaths who rule the world by standing as one and rejecting their economic blackmail. Do not, under any circumstances, turn against your neighbour on account of his religion or the colour of his skin. He did not bring you into the world of misery you are now experiencing. He was not responsible for robbing your children and your grandchildren of the future that was rightfully yours.

The time for Left-Right schisms and inter-cultural wars is over. If you wish to live, then fight in a non-predictive, highly asymmetrical, logic-defying, stupendously erratic, creatively spontaneous, massively original, highly surreptitious and breathlessly innovative way. Never, ever allow the Ruling Parasites to label you as 'left wing', 'right wing', 'Islamist' 'patriot' or 'nationalist'. Leave the bastards grasping for words they can barely articulate.

And then forgive them.

Why?

Because you are a human being."

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from:

You Are Not Alone
By Mike James in Germany – 4 August 2010


The Gentle Art of Resisting Zionist Terrorism
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=13172











More Excellent LIMITED HANGOUT / PSY-OP Muslim Comedians (not saying they're in on it or that they don't do a lot of good by making people laugh but they're part of a larger Psy-Op they don't understand or suspect. How do you set up this PSY-OP? Very easy: the limits or unspoken rules of what they're allowed to talk about to be on the MSM  is clearly and completely set ahead of time and they're smart enough to  know exactly what these unspoken limits are):


Comedian Dean Obeidallah's reel of TV appearances
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2FsVXKb9U[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

Ahmed Ahmed - Axis Of Evil Comedy Tour 2007
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvKq21mpxdU[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]


"Growing Up In Iran" - Maz Jobrani
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT3HGwtCkts[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

Maz Jobrani on Ahmadinejad
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MnTPEa8kg[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

maz jobrani do like ghandi
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLijiA4r5k[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

Jobrani on rich Arabs
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHtPd6Lj0k8[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

Maz on CBS
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYlaIxNX01Q[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]

Axis of Evil's Maz Jobrani on Q TV
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvD9oVw-xAk[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]
Maz Jobrani in Vegas 2007
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otrjOV5O0LQ[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]
Maz Jobrani's Message of Support to the people of Iran seeking human and civil rights.
[youtube:i9vh0a7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mO5S1g7J4E[/youtube]i9vh0a7x]






A limited hangout is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details.



Perfect example of how the concept of limited-hangout was used in advertising encouraging more individualism and in this case, specifically women, who never even thought of smoking before Bernays told them why they should:



Why is Phillip Morris promoting comparing their brand to other brands by actually smoking and trying out those other brands?  Doesn't this mean that the self-believer might potentially choose the 'competing' brand to Phillip Morris's detriment?  Yes. But that still keeps the 'self-believer' smoking doesn't it? And who benefits from this? The entire tobbaco industry, that's who, and furthermore any other newly created industries catering to 'self-belief' and 'individualism'  through a thousand and one ways. And who owns both Phillip Morris and the rest of the cigarette makers and tobacco companies the newly encouraged 'self-belivers' might choose?  Why, gee whiz, Batman, it wouldn't be the people who provided financing to the tobbaco industry now, would it?  No wonder they're not all that afraid of competition since they've got a piece of ALL the competition.  And who is likely to have a piece of every industry that caters to newly individualized and self-believing women and other human types?  Will a car run without gas? Can any  industry big enough to be called that survive without finance?  














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[Travis]

Negentropic claimed that 'when you as a man, under fundamentalist Islamic law have a right to as many wives as you can get, just no adultery with unmarried women'. I asked him for evidence to support such a claim i.e. that a man can have as many wives as he wants; however, Negentropic failed in producing any evidence to support this lie. Rather he has just throw more insults and lies and finally admitted that he was wrong and the number of wives a Muslim man can marry is four not a infinite number. However, in a typical Jewish style he attempted make the exposure of his lie  a reason to further attack me. For example, Negentropic stated '4 means 4 wives, can you count up to four? one two three four wives, not as many wives as you can get but FOUR sore loser!! What did you really think you could censor me as easy as all that?'

I also asked Negentropic 'which nation race, religion or ideology has been responsible for shedding the most blood, support your answer with empirical evidence.
Let me throw a few events out there; WWI & WWII, the slave trade, the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the indigenous populations of North America and Australia, the bombing or Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the invasion of Iraq 2003 and Afghanistan 2001, the use of agent orange in Vietnam and the legalisation of the murder of unborn children, in the most wicked manner, at 6 months?'

Despite his continual attacks against me and Islam he has failed to answer me, even after 4 weeks. If Islam is how he claims why can he not support it with a historical record?  Because his claims are baseless lies!

[Ahmed]

Despite his continual attacks against me and Islam he has failed to answer me, even after 4 weeks. If Islam is how he claims why can he not support it with a historical record?  Because his claims are baseless lies!

Don't hold your breath for a straight answer, Travis. Besides, they don't work the Sabbath, remember?