Charles Guliani - Jesus was a zionist zealot?

Yo Mama · July 12, 2011, 11:30:09 PM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Nothing contradictory here.

Sure, whatever you say.

Despite the fact that the Jew Bible contains literally THOUSANDS of contradictions, according to you, there's "nothing contradictory here."

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 12, 2011, 11:45:41 PM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"I make peace, and create evil: I Yahweh do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7

The only way in which God can "create" evil, is simply by withdrawing Himself—His truth—from the presence of man. Something which He has the sovereign right to do.
Evil is not actually a created thing. Evil is simply the lack of good. Furthermore, the Hebrew rendering (ra) of the word "evil" you mention in Isaiah, can be defined as calamity, not as moral evil. Does God create calamity? Absolutely. Does God withdraw his presence (create darkness/evil) from man? Absolutely.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 12:57:38 AM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"The only way in which God can "create" evil, is simply by withdrawing Himself—His truth—from the presence of man. Something which He has the sovereign right to do.

Sorry, but it doesn't say that. You're just reading into the Bible what you want it to say, trying to make it fit your theology. This is a typical tactic of Christian fundamentalists, which is why Christian fundamentalists are held in such low regard.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:04:22 AM

The Jewish war god Yahweh commits literally dozens of genocidal atrocities in the Old Testament. Yahweh is a bloodthirsty monster. Yet you have the nerve to sit there and suggest that Yahweh is some kind of benevolent deity that represents "infinite goodness."

Ludicrous.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 01:05:54 AM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"The only way in which God can "create" evil, is simply by withdrawing Himself—His truth—from the presence of man. Something which He has the sovereign right to do.

Sorry, but it doesn't say that. You're just reading into the Bible what you want it to say, trying to make it fit your theology. This is a typical tactic of Christian fundamentalists, which is why Christian fundamentalists are held in such low regard.

Equally, you could be accused of doing the same thing.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:08:13 AM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Equally, you could be accused of doing the same thing.

No, I could not. I simply copy and paste verses from the Bible just as they are. The words speak for themselves.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 01:29:21 AM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Equally, you could be accused of doing the same thing.

No, I could not. I simply copy and paste verses from the Bible just as they are. The words speak for themselves.

The Hebrew word for evil in Isaiah is "ra" which in this case means calamity. Use the original Biblical languages, genius.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:34:47 AM

Yes, it means 'calamity' or 'evil'. What exactly is your point? Either meaning is extremely negative.

Yahweh commits countless atrocities in the Old Testament. So we already know that Yahweh is a bloodthirsty, genocidal monster. So this verse from Isaiah is superfluous. It just confirms what we already know from the rest of the OT.

You're not going to be able to argue your way out of this one.

And furthermore, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're confusing the god of the philosophers with the god of the ancient Jews. These are two completely different god concepts, and have nothing to do with one another. But now I'm probably talking over your head, and you likely have idea what I'm referring to.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 01:36:34 AM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"Yes, it means 'calamity' or 'evil'. What exactly is your point? Either meaning is extremely negative.

Yahweh commits countless atrocities in the Old Testament. So we already know that Yahweh is a bloodthirsty, genocidal monster. This verse is superfluous.

Explain to me how God was wrong to wipe out certain destructive nations. And don't just give me a copy-and-paste job or a series of links. I want your own words, Shlomo.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:39:16 AM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Explain to me how God was wrong to wipe out certain destructive nations.

See, the problem is that your pro-Jewish Christian fundamentalism is easily debunked. And what's worse, IT'S MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE.

:think:

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 01:41:46 AM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Explain to me how God was wrong to wipe out certain destructive nations.

See, the problem is that your pro-Jewish Christian fundamentalism is easily debunked. And what's worse, IT'S MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE.

:think:

Explain it. Stop stalling.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:43:07 AM

Christian fundamentalism is a childish and dangerous world view, and is easily debunked from multiple angles.

Debunking the Arguments of Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelists
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... ntents.htm

:up:

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 01:45:07 AM

Quote from: "Yo Mama"Here you go, Talmud Timmy. Knock yourself out. Let me know when you've read this entire website.

Debunking the Arguments of Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelists
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... ntents.htm

:up:

You did exactly what I asked you not to do. I'll take that as a non answer.

QuoteExplain to me how God was wrong to wipe out certain destructive nations. And don't just give me a copy-and-paste job or a series of links. I want your own words, Shlomo.

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 01:47:43 AM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"You did exactly what I asked you not to do. I'll take that as a non answer.

What's the matter, Talmud Timmy? Can't deal with the arguments against Christian fundamentalism? Are they too tough for you?

Debunking the Arguments of Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelists
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... ntents.htm

My Christian Deconversion Story
Introduction
Defining the terms and type of Christianity described

Christian Fundamentalist theology and beliefs
- The Christian view of world history
- Christian Fundamentalist doctrines and precepts

Understanding the mentality and world view of the Christian Fundamentalist
- Two powerful forces controlling their mind
- Reason becoming a servant to belief
- Ego gratification and self-esteem fulfillment
- The benefits of extreme belief systems
- The world as a battleground for souls
- Why deconversion is slow and difficult psychologically and emotionally
- Knowledge is power and protection from fear

Help and support for recovering Fundamentalists

Debunking the main arguments

Argument # 1: The Bible is the infallible word of God.
- Three verses that say the Bible ISN'T God's word

Argument # 2: The Bible is inerrant and contains no contradictions. Its 66 books are harmonious and its 40+ writers agree on what they wrote.
- Use of foreshadowing
- Literary dialogue
- Contradictions and discrepancies
- The "read the Bible in its context" counterargument

Argument # 3: The fulfilled prophecies argument.
- Imaginary messianic prophecies
- Nonexistent prophecies
- Failed, expired, and unfulfilled prophecies

Argument # 4: The Bible is a reliable historical document because it agrees with recorded history and archaeological evidence.

Argument # 5: The Bible is the word of God because it agrees with science and contains scientific facts.
False scientific facts in the Bible
- Insects do NOT have four feet
- Rabbits do not chew their cud
- Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt nor dust
- The bat is not a bird
- Snails do not melt
- The Earth is NOT flat!
- The Earth is not motionless
- The moon is not a light
- Our sun is not the same age as the rest of the stars
- Stars are not little balls of light close to the Earth!
- Wind is not held in storehouses

Argument # 6: The historicity of Jesus argument.

Argument # 7: The Resurrection of Jesus Christ argument.

Arguments for the historicity of the Resurrection
- The empty tomb argument
- The "Apostles would not knowingly die for a lie" argument

Argument # 8: The Trilemma Argument - Lord, Liar, or Lunatic?

Argument # 9: The Pascal's Wager argument.

Argument # 10: The evidence from testimonials/changed lives argument.
- Related argument: All non-Christians are empty and unhappy, no matter what they have in the world

Argument # 11: The miracles / answered prayers argument.
- Analysis of the Atheist explanation for miracles
- Analysis of the Atheist explanation for answered prayers
- My own theory on how and why prayer works

Argument # 12: Christianity is not a religion, but a personal relationship with God.

Argument # 13: God is good, holy, just, righteous, and fair. We are all sinners and deserve to go to hell.

Argument # 14: All other religions are the work of Satan.

Argument # 15: The "taking the Lord's name in vain = power" argument.

Biblical Atrocities committed by God and his followers: The no-win indefensible issue for Christians
- Would God kill or order the killing of innocent children?
- Would God order people to dash infants against rocks and floors?
- Would God make parents eat the flesh of their children?
- Would God order pregnant women to be ripped open?
- Would God kill 70,000 people to punish one man?
- Would God order his followers to kill each other?
- Would God approve of a vow to kill one's own daughter?
- Would God make people eat feces?!
- Why would God need the sight of severed heads to calm his anger?
- Would God order the mass execution of unarmed captives?
- Would a loving Jesus declare that he would kill innocent children?
- Why would an all loving God discriminate against the handicapped?
- An Unbeatable Challenge to Christians
- Quiz: The Death Toll List - God vs. Satan
- Biblical Atrocities Links

Philosophical problems with Salvation and Damnation: The Imponderables

Discrepancies and revealing facts that the church never told you
- Disunity among believers filled with the Holy Spirit
- Evolution of the Salvation doctrine in the four Gospels
- Why Jesus could not be the messiah of the Old Testament
- The objective historical view of Jesus
- Evolution of heaven and hell in the Bible from Zoroastrianism – Good news for the fearful
- The mythological Pagan roots of Christianity
- The Creationist arguments against Evolution
- Why Christianity does NOT "set you free" but is inherently fascist in nature

Silly tidbit questions

Jesus was not a Christian and Buddha was not a Buddhist

My Theory - Religions are essentially ways of channeling energy

Conclusion
- If you want a spiritual life or God in your life without religion

Appendix A: My Summary Response to Two Christian Missionaries

Appendix B: Mystic FaithRada Comments on My Summary Response

Reader Responses

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · July 13, 2011, 03:08:01 AM

I have never seen you answer something in detail in your own words. What does that tell us?

Yo Mama · July 13, 2011, 12:54:01 PM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"I have never seen you answer something in detail in your own words. What does that tell us?

You worship a bloodthirsty Jewish demon and call it "god". What does that tell us?