Trading Over Counter Gold/Silver Will be Illegal July 15

[Rockclimber]

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tradin ... ng-july-15

http://www.cftc.gov/LawRegulation/DoddF ... /index.htm

[Ognir]

LOL we are coming for your American Gold and Silver
Even if they take all the metals back as they have done before
The question would be, who owns it?
IRS? GOV? OBAMA??? or some jewish bankers,  I wonder

[Rockclimber]

Hah, yeah I think we know the answer. As usual, they are 20-steps ahead of the game.

[Ognir]

exactly Scottie, 20 steps a head of us,  our governments work for these ppl

[Rockclimber]

exactly Scottie, 20 steps a head of us,  our governments work for these ppl

And as you good and well know, especially in the US. I still believe the bottom line is that they (the elite Jew pigs) have all the goods on these weak and compromised politicians. Those who aren't compromised are just sociopaths with their own ulterior motives anyway so they're just a good fit. It's a good ole boy club and those who OWN THE GOLD make the rules.

[mgt23]

http://seekingalpha.com/article/218529- ... ld-trading


Obama Threatens Forex; Says Goodbye to OTC Gold Trading

by James Bibbings and Nicole Kuchera
On July 21, 2010, President Obama signed into law the "Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act" (the "Dodd-Frank Act" or "Act"). The Dodd-Frank Act most likely will bring about sweeping regulatory changes within the financial services industry. However, at over 2,300 pages in length, few people have read this legislation in its entirety. Of those individuals who have read the Act, few can comprehend the implications of such sweeping reform. As a result, I have teamed up with attorney Nicole Kuchera, from Chicago's Henderson & Lyman, to review the content of the Dodd-Frank Act. Through this process we were able to identify some areas of the Act that are most likely to affect Commodity Futures Trading Commission ("CFTC") regulated entities and National Futures Association ("NFA") member firms.

The impact of the Act on commodity futures, over-the-counter retail foreign currency ("OTC forex"), and over-the-counter retail precious metals ("OTC metals") transactions has been largely ignored by the media to date. Although the Dodd-Frank Act has been championed as a victory for consumer protection and rigid Wall Street reform, there is little actual clarity with respect to its practical implications. Since being signed into law, FCMs, IBs, CPOs, and CTAs have reached out to us regarding the vast amount of regulatory uncertainty now present in the financial industry. To assist commodities firms in complying with and understanding the Dodd-Frank Act, we have attempted to identify several of its most sweeping provisions. Our thoughts do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon in particular circumstances. We recommend that you contact competent counsel or a legal professional before taking any action in this complex area.

That being said, based on the current language of the Act, the following four areas are likely to have the most significant implications for commodity futures, OTC forex, and OTC precious metals market participants:

Elimination of OTC Forex

Effective 90 days from its inception, the Dodd-Frank Act bans most retail OTC forex transactions. Section 742(c) of the Act states as follows:

    ...A person [which includes companies] shall not offer to, or enter into with, a person that is not an eligible contract participant, any agreement, contract, or transaction in foreign currency except pursuant to a rule or regulation of a Federal regulatory agency allowing the agreement, contract, or transaction under such terms and conditions as the Federal regulatory agency shall prescribe...

This provision will not come into effect, however, if the CFTC or another eligible federal body issues guidelines relating to the regulation of foreign currency within 90 days of its enactment. Registrants and the public are currently being encouraged by the CFTC to provide insight into how the Act should be enforced. See CFTC Rulemakings regarding OTC Derivatives located at the following website address, under Section XX – Foreign Currency (Retail Off Exchange). It is essential that OTC forex participants seek professional help to discuss possible operational and regulatory contingency plans.

Elimination of OTC Metals

As for OTC precious metals such as gold or silver, Section 742(a) of the Act prohibits any person [which again includes companies]from entering into, or offering to enter into, a transaction in any commodity with a person that is not an eligible contract participant or an eligible commercial entity, on a leveraged or margined basis. This provision intends to expand the narrow so called "Zelener fix" in the Farm Bill previously ratified by congress in 2008. The Farm Bill empowered the CFTC to pursue anti-fraud actions involving rolling spot transactions and/or other leveraged forex transactions without the need to prove that they are futures contracts. The Dodd-Frank Act now expands this authority to include virtually all retail cash commodity market products that involve leverage or margin – in other words OTC precious metals.

The prohibition of Section 742(a) does not apply, however, if such a transaction results in actual delivery within 28 days, or creates an enforceable obligation to deliver between a seller and a buyer that have the ability to deliver, and accept delivery of, the commodity in connection with their lines of business. This may be problematic as in most spot metals trading virtually all contracts fail to meet these requirements. As a result, although the courts' interpretation of Section 742(a) is unknown, Section 742(a) is likely to have a significantly negative impact on the OTC cash precious metals industry. Here too, it is essential that those who offer to be a counterparty to OTC metals transactions seek professional help to discuss possible operational and regulatory contingency plans.

Small Pool Exemption Eliminated

Pursuant to Section 403 of Act, the "privateadviser" exemption, namelySection 203(b)(3) of the Investment Advisers Act of 1940 ("Advisers Act"), will be eliminated within one year of the Act's effective date (July 21, 2011). Historically, many unregistered U.S. fund managers had relied on this exemption to avoid registration where they:

(1) had fewer than 15 clients in the past 12 months;

(2) do not hold themselves out generally to the public as investment advisers; and

(3) do not act as investment advisers to a registered investment company or business development company.

At present, advisers can treat the unregistered funds that they advise, rather than the investors in those funds, as their clients for purposes of this exemption. A common practice has thus evolved whereby certain advisers manage up to 14 unregistered funds without having to register under the Advisers Act. Accordingly, the removal of this exemption represents a significant shift in the regulatory landscape, as this practice will no longer be allowable in approximately one year.

Also an important consideration, the Dodd-Frank Act mandates new federal registration and regulation thresholds based on the amount of assets a manager has under management ("AUM"). Although not yet underway, it is possible that various states may enact legislation designed to create a similar registration framework for managers whose AUM fall beneath the new federal levels.

Accredited Investor Qualifications

Section 413(a) of the Act alters the financial qualifications of who can be considered an accredited investor, and thus a qualified as eligible participant ("QEP"). Specifically, the revised accredited investor standard includes only the following types of individuals:

1) A natural person whose individual net worth, or joint net worth with spouse, is at least $1,000,000, excluding the value of such investor's primary residence;

2) A natural person who had individual income in excess of $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with spouse in excess of $300,000 in each of those years and a reasonable expectation of reaching the same income level in the current year; or

3) A director, executive officer, or general partner of the issuer of the securities being offered or sold, or a director, executive officer, or general partner of a general partner of that issuer.

Based on this language, it is important to note that the revised accredited investor standard only applies to new investors and does not cover existing investors. However, additional subscriptions from existing investors are generally treated as requiring confirmation of continuing investor eligibility.

On July 27th, 2010, the SEC provided additional clarity regarding the valuation of an individual's primary residence when calculating net worth. In particular, the SEC has interpreted this provision as follows:

    Section 413(a) of the Dodd-Frank Act does not define the term "value," nor does it address the treatment of mortgage and other indebtedness secured by the residence for purposes of the net worth calculation...Pending implementation of the changes to the Commission's rules required by the Act, the related amount of indebtedness secured by the primary residence up to its fair market value may also be excluded. Indebtedness secured by the residence in excess of the value of the home should be considered a liability and deducted from the investor's net worth.

Seek Guidance Now

As is evident from reading the provisions detailed above, President Obama's sweeping reform is far from simple. At the present date, the Dodd-Frank Act offers up more questions than it provides answers. One thing is certain though; in time there will be significant implications for the financial industry as a whole.

Nicole Kuchera is an associate in Henderson & Lyman's Financial Services Practice Group. She concentrates her practice on transactional and litigation support for securities, futures, and derivatives industry clients. Presently Ms. Kuchera counsels clients regarding a wide range of compliance and regulatory matters involving rules and regulations of SEC and CFTC, as well as self-regulatory organizations and exchanges. She also represents financial services industry clients in a wide range of litigation matters in various forums, including state and federal courts and in industry arbitrations and mediations. Ms. Kuchera is also a member of the Chicago Bar Association's Securities, Financial and Investment Services, and Futures and Derivatives Law Committees.

[Rockclimber]

Turns out this is just a bunch of bullshit. Apparently Robby Noel talks about it on his show. If any of you have access to his show (RBN) you can listen to his reasons why. I haven't heard it yet though.

[scorpio]

Turns out this is just a bunch of bullshit. Apparently Robby Noel talks about it on his show. If any of you have access to his show (RBN) you can listen to his reasons why. I haven't heard it yet though.

Yes it's total bullshit. Forex no longer trading over the counter gold/silver has nothing to do with an individual buying or selling.
Robby Noel did a good job of explaining it. Also, I called a friend of mine this morning who has been in the precious metals business for over 30 years. He said the same thing.

Noel also mentioned that Alex 'gimme two helpings' Jones was ranting about this story as though it was absolute fact, and that the govt was gonna take your gold/silver.
Lying, exaggerating and spreading bllshit. Typical AJ behavior.

[SPECTEC]

Alex 'gimme two helpings' Jones

:lol:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Headline of this thread is untrue. It's the trading of certificates that will be restricted. Physical metals are still open to the public.

[Rockclimber]

It's a copy and paste from Zero Hedge, but you are correct. Robby Noel debunked this already. My apologies for jumping the gun. It read like the real deal. As Scorpio said...Jone$ bought it too and he is sensationalizing it.     . Ironically he will probably draw in more listeners. :crazy:  :roll:

[Christopher Marlowe]

If this thread isn't true,
and I don't hear any arguments to the contrary,
then shouldn't it be banished off to "Nonsense, Disinformation, and Speculation"?

[Rockclimber]

Sounds good to me

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I am not surprised that certificates for PMs are set up the same Jew scam way as currency.