Do Nuclear weapons really exist?

[Anonymous]

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We believe - and this may well be a new idea to you - that nuclear weapons were a hoax when they were first announced, and probably still are today. Many people will not face the possibility that they have deliberately been deceived for years.

For the rest of you, we have 5 or 6 main contributors, at present. Below is a rough guide to the forum, with some links. (Bear in mind the site is continually evolving.) Right-click the links to open the target files in a new tab.

Please use the 'search' facility (under the Nuke Lies banner graphic at the top of the page) if you wish to find interests of your own. If you wish to comment on such issues as the sense of shock, surprise and doubt, on poor education, and inept politicians, feel free to post in this forum - I hope bemused newcomers will post their thoughts in this newbie part of the site. If you disagree with our claims, feel free to post and explain why. You have to register - a nickname and email address is the minimum to post. We'd prefer you to use a 'human' nickname - JohnSmithers or a-physicist or unskeptical-woman; computer-generated names like ahgetYeuMf or Lobtrigfanag will be rejected as spam.

[1] There are our nuclear skepticism videos; take time to watch some or all of:--
Jesse Waugh ['Nukelies'] videos:--
NUKE LIES http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7RQJyt-BzM
'Simulated Nuke' event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzcNBYv_9A
'100 tons of TNT' simulation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTcsH0cc ... re=related

Rae West ['rerevisionist'] videos:--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhiXxJ34Qzo Atom Bomb Could Be Mimicked by Large Explosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N15LMWUywHs Fake USA 1955 nuclear bomb test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN8M6vO_kCg British 1957 'H Bomb' fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWN3Z_JmzMo Hiroshima was Fire Bombed - Disbelief of Atom Bomb
FIRST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbSvoaPE6Ng 'Atom bomb' test fake - 50 sec sequence from original film
SECOND http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsrISr4ivTY 'SAME 50 sec frame by frame shown negative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWz-xpbKcQ0 Goggles give evidence of frauds

[1A] We have a section listing the comments made by other youtubers to our Youtubes - some comments are very good, some less good, some amusing, some hostile, some speculative. The section also has links and comments to other peoples' videos. viewforum.php?f=8

[2] The originator of the whole idea seems to be a Canadian, Roger Desjardins, who has been investigating since at least 2005. These are some of his posts viewtopic.php?f=4&t=92
And we have a thread 'How did you come across nuclear revisionism?' viewtopic.php?f=4&t=108

[3] The physics. Here are some issues in no special sequence:
* The critical mass idea has several flaws
* The idea that enormous heat would cause an explosion has problems (for example the sun doesn't explode, despite supposedly having parts which are a huge H bomb)
* We look at the Jewish angle - Manhattan Project funded by Sachs, hyped by Einstein, the fact that the Manhattan people were Jews, despite the fact that all the pioneer work was by English, German, French, American scientists viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57
* 'FirstClassSkeptic' looked online at the paper which supposedly caused Einstein to write to the then-President of the USA, and found it didn't justify the claims made
* 'Tickling the dragon's tail' - implausibility of the accounts of casual testing of critical mass viewtopic.php?f=4&t=138
* Radiation is difficult to detect, making it ideal as a scare device
* Videos (see above!) show that models were used to simulate blasts, notably in the tinted black-and-white inserts, about a minute long, inserted into films supposedly of bomb tests.

[4] We consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Again, in no particular order:
* See the technical material on the antennae of the supposed bombs - they wouldn't have worked viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30
* The Norden bombsight as supposedly used by Ferebee, had an error radius bigger than the entire town viewtopic.php?f=4&t=59
* Tibbets accounts are contradictory
* The airplane supposedly sent specifically to collect data, didn't
* We note the absence of photos of the 'mushroom cloud' from the ground in Japan, and anomalies in the usual few photos
* Eye-witnesses, e.g. an extract from Osada's book 'Children of the A bomb' which shows the town was firebombed viewtopic.php?f=4&t=65
* Jungk's post-war 'Brighter than a Thousand Suns'
* Fake testimony - Claud Eatherly is an example viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57
* Fairly new information on the Japanese surrender, and dealing with Stalin and ending the war
* Management of the radiation story is ridiculously erratic viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10

[5] Hence we were led on to consider how atom bombs would be invented as concepts. The thread 'Inventing the A-Bomb: Flash, Blast, Heat, Radiation, Mushroom Cloud' viewtopic.php?f=4&t=131 looks at all these issues, and the problems they caused.
* Flashes in daylight brighter than the sun are all but impossible, hence the night-time testing of Trinity
* Huge temperatures, initially supposed to melt sand, were all but abandoned by the time of Hiroshima
* Radiation: there's a photo of Oppenheimer and Groves chatting at the remains of the first Trinity explosion...
* ... but, later, the 'Lucky Dragon' fishing boat incident hyped radiation - we'll see why
* The 'mushroom cloud' in retrospect looks like a mistake made up by Robert Lewis, the 'Enola Gay' co-pilot
* The napalm-like smoke clouds are incompatible with air blasts

[6] We also considered reasons for making up the 'H Bomb'.
* The U.S.A. could have imposed its will on the world - notably on Stalin - IF the things were genuine. If not, the strategy must have been to inflate their danger and claim other people had them.
* See the thread 'Inventing the H-Bomb...' here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=173

[7] Politics of supposed nuclear weapons.
* Here's FDR on Pearl Harbor viewtopic.php?f=6&t=123
* For planning before the end of WW2, see comments on Robert Jungk's book 'Brighter than a Thousand Suns'
* I've attempted in my one-act play to illustrate the sort of thing that must have happened viewtopic.php?f=4&t=104
* Note that the Japanese hierarchy seem to have supported the firebombings as a land clearance scheme
* 'Weapons of mass destruction' are of great importance here. Probably they were known to be a fraud all along
* The Cold War may have been more or less mythical, controlled by Jewish elites in the USA and USSR

[8] Nuclear power - another fraud?
* Opinion seems divided, but a good case is made for nuclear power as a phony
* See the thread 'BASIC INTRODUCTION: THE DUMPLOAD HYPOTHESIS' here viewtopic.php?f=9&t=84
* There is nowhere on earth powered exclusively by nuclear power
* The secrecy and security and e.g. buried cables make such an idea feasible
* There are doubts about radiation, even including whether there is any viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10
* Are China's suggested thorium reactors phony - possibly a cover for dumping wastes e.g. beryllium and thallium compounds viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80 .

[9] We have several threads on trying to contact sceptics, and trying to contact the old guard. E.g. Frank Barnaby of the 'Oxford Research Group' viewtopic.php?f=4&t=67 , Alan Sabrosky a military educator and also 9/11 critic viewtopic.php?f=4&t=183 .

[10] Other vaguely connected material
* Timing of political propaganda switches, e.g. Japan becoming a friend viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88 , Islam becoming an enemy viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60
* Current affairs - Fukushima viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10 , the UN viewtopic.php?f=5&t=174 , bin Laden, revolt in the USA viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71 , nuclear policies, Chernobyl anniversary viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8 ...
* HIV and the AIDS fraud viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6 , climate change scares, 9/11, fluoride in water viewtopic.php?f=5&t=143 , chemtrails? ...
* Commentators such as Noam Chomsky viewtopic.php?f=5&t=178 , Edward Said, Bertrand Russell viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124
* Propaganda presentation in film and TV viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25
* Popular physics e.g. the 'Big Bang'
* Intelligence
* Parallels from other historical times

[Wimpy]

Do Nuclear Powered Electrical Facilities exist?

[Anonymous]

I am pissed off that this topic was moved into the nonsense forum but I can understand everyones reaction.

Whimpy, that is the first question I asked, if nuclear weapons don't exist then what about nuclear power. The process behind each of those is different. It is much the same as saying a lump of coal contains 'such and such' energy and instead of letting it burn over afew hours, we can release all the energy all at once in a split second causing a large explosion.

The models they use to explain nuclear explosions, they show the nucleus as very large with electrons as smaller spheres attached to the nucleus and other atoms nearby being hit by the electrons from other splitting atoms. In reality using a football stadium as a size of a atom, the nucleus is in the middle of the field is the size of a marble and the electrons orbiting are much smaller. Yes if uranium was packed together the natural half life would be enough to produce heat, and produce more heat by speeding up the decaying process the hotter it became. There are many reactors that infact run unmanned as power stations in russia which only use the half life decay of atoms as their power source. There was a story of Russian farmers who found a core of one after a plant was destroyed by harsh weather, they used the core as a heating source and received radiation burns.

Isn't it suprising that nuclear weapons have only ever been used once in war which was against japan, which basiclly was used to show the world how powerful nuclear weapons were. Fact is the cities looked very similar to Dresden and some people believe that Japan was simply bombed via conventional weapons and that is where the myth of nuclear weapons came about as end war propaganda. Since then, a Nuclear weapon has not been used in war, all nuclear tests have been offlimits to the public. If Nuclear weapons are the ultimate weapon, why are nations expending so much resources building up conventional war arms and fighting forces?  

The best weapon is a weapon you don't have to use.

Please keep an open mind.

[rodin]

OK I'll bite because I am sceptical re nuke weapons for much the same reasons as you. Please explain Starfish Prime as a non nuclear event. I keep an open mind that something nuclear was possibly used on 911