"Drake": Militia + Military Resistance. Skeptical Inquiry by Randy Maugans

[Michael K.]

Radio host and skeptical inquirer into the fringe, Randy Maugans, interviews the man called "Drake", a drawling Southerner with a Vietnam background, who also claims to be the legitimate representative of the military officers who are asserting a Constitutional standoff with the bank.  Very interesting, many subjects covered, you decide if these claims have merit for yourself.

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/drake- ... ry16019395

"Drake" interviewed on 04-26-12 by Randy Maugans:

http://www.divshare.com/direct/17518183-452.mp3

My question is, why front this "Drake" if he is not the leader?  He seems like an honest witness, but there is little means by which we may assess his objectivity.  This movement wants to appear to a large extent leaderless, but there needs to be more accountability for its real leaders.

From the comments section on Maugans' page:

...This tells me some things, IF he is fake, an agent of disinformation, he is reealy freaking good at it... The implications of him being fake means he is passionate about misleading us for the sake of the elites. That he is on a path of war against US. And THAT is not a pleasent thought. I simply can´t se someone being so manipulative. The thought of having someone so manipulative and belivible that is against us frankly scares the shit out of me.

(MK:) You are correct that there are steep implications if this man is misleading people, however your specific assertion that this equals a passion on behalf of Drake to deceive is incorrect. It seems that you don't understand how mind control is generally employed.

In this case, assuming the most negative possibility momentarily; Drake himself has been played for a fool by the manipulation of his ability to trust. His war woundedness means that he is vulnerable to be subverted by predatory psychopaths, possibly in the military. These psychopaths are not forthcoming because they themselves lack convincing emotional resonance because they know that they are lying. Creating a mind-controlled "true believer" makes it possible to add real charisma to a cynical plot.

[Michael K.]

Here's another viewpoint to consider on the matter at hand:  

This whole thing may be and likely is a continuation of the same hidden hand which was behind Tim Turner, alias "Mr. President."  The essential similarity is that at the bottom of it, the center of gravity of the movement lies with a shadowy group of "generals and admirals" who we are led to believe just want to 'do the right thing,' but need formal legal trusts comprising so-called "Sovereign Citizens" in order to legitimize what at its core is an implied coup.

One fact I can share that comes from first-hand account:  Tim Turner was in Kentucky last year for the big Knob Creek Machine-gun Shoot; he was there trying to get official recognition from the various militias.  One specific detail which caused Turner to lose the audience was that he claimed that there was a large amount of gold bullion available to fund the start-up of the "Republic".  When pressed for which country was willing to put up the gold by the incredulous crowd, he answered, "China."  That was the end of it for everyone there - epic fail for Tim Turner.

We would not be straining the bounds of credibility to claim that the same shadowy group of "generals and admirals" is now acting through "Drake."  "Drake" in certain ways  resembles an American version of Hitler, in that he appears as a gritty-yet-visionary battle scarred veteran of the old school who just wants to win the freedom of his oppressed people from the hands of the greedy bankers.  That kind of appeal is hard to resist when it seems earnest.

However, if this is a repeat of the Nazi mistake, we can expect the coup to be internationally condemned as mendacious lawlessness, a Holocaust, right-wing reaction, antisemitism and fascism.  Furthermore, it will perhaps act as a reason to unleash an international invasion of the United States after the coup succeeds in ousting the sitting government; or is itself the Trojan horse of a planned foreign takeover, deceptively using native militias as a front for maximum psychological effect.



Call me whatever, but the Jews seem to have a pretty good handle on why Turner is so dubious, so let's read along   :

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... -president

Intelligence Report, Fall 2011, Issue Number:  143
'Sovereign' President
Tim Turner says his 'Republic for the united States' is all about peaceful change. But recent events have authorities worried

By Ryan Lenz

On June 19, 2011, a police officer responding to a domestic violence call shot and killed William Foust, a prominent businessman who ran a marine outfitter with his wife in Page, Ariz. The death was unfortunate — a police call that soured as Foust tried to wrestle away the officer's Taser during an argument. But it opened a window on Foust and the antigovernment group he helped lead in Arizona.

Foust, it turned out, was a principal of the so-called "Republic for the united States of America" (RuSA) — an Alabama-based organization that in the last year has grown in lockstep with the explosive rise of the "sovereign citizens" movement. In Arizona, Foust was RuSA's "chief justice," the man designated to serve as the state's leading legal officer once the group, as it hopes, finally comes to power.

Conceived during a private meeting last year at a guest ranch in Spring City, Utah, RuSA may now be America's most prominent group of sovereign citizens, people who believe they are immune from most federal laws and taxes. It certainly is the most ambitious, with preparations to build a national government-in-waiting and 50 state governments well under way. It promises freedom from taxes and other government meddling to all who sign up. And if RuSA's views seem merely bizarre in the extreme, the Department of Homeland Security nevertheless has warned that some of its demands could be interpreted "as a justification for violence."

Foust, apparently pumped up with fears of an evil government, certainly seems to have felt that he needed to use violence to resist the officers who responded to reports of a heated argument between him and his wife. And now, reacting to the "execution" of Foust, some members of RuSA are suggesting a response in kind, a notion that worries RuSA's leader, who frequently denounces violence.

"Many feel angry and may want revenge," James Timothy Turner, 55, told his followers three days after Foust's killing this summer. "This is understandable, but this was an isolated incident and will not cause any problems."

Turner has outlined a plan to "reinhabit" the U.S. government, which he says has been unlawful ever since the Civil War. He describes it as "a bold, achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war." But in March 2010, RuSA sent letters to all 50 state governors demanding they step down immediately, causing at least one state to beef up security at the capitol, and there apparently are new plans to send similar letters to more than 5,000 sheriffs nationwide. That, plus the fact that sovereign citizens unrelated to RuSA have engaged in numerous crimes, including the murder of two Arkansas police officers in May 2010, has raised concerns.

RuSA, which has gotten the attention of authorities in Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida and other states, teaches a whole panoply of practices typical of the sovereign citizens movement — the filing of fraudulent property liens against enemies, ways to halt the foreclosure process and cancel debts, and arcane methods that are intended to wrest millions of dollars from the federal government — all while claiming that the current United States government is utterly illegitimate. But some of what Turner has to say is far out even by the standards of the sovereigns.

"Get ready to hear things that sound absolutely impossible," Turner's chief spokesman, Kelby Smith, says regularly at the start of a weekly conference call to several hundred followers that was monitored by the Intelligence Report this spring over a period of several months. All of these impossible things come compliments of one man — a former commercial fisherman and devout evangelical Christian from Skipperville, Ala., who is known to his followers as "Mr. President."

Birth of a 'Republic'

Tim Turner burst onto the sovereign citizens scene in 2007, offering a series of highly popular seminars that promised attendees they could pay off their mortgages, credit card debts, and income tax bills using the "power of negative averment" — a technique of turning statements into questions in a bid to shift the burden of argument to opponents. The programs cost an average of around $400 and came with a package of "Freedom Documents," which were forms and instructions for the filing of bogus liens and dozens of other pseudo-legal documents.

Turner taught clients to file such groundless court documents and, when the opposing parties didn't respond accordingly, to file absurdly large retaliatory property liens against them. In one foreclosure case in which Turner was not even a party, he personally filed nine baseless liens totaling more than $158 billion against bank and court officials. While he told followers that he won the case, the truth was that the court had actually slammed Turner with a $22,500 fine.

At some point, Turner became a principal in a new sovereign group called the Guardians of the Free Republics (GFR), which had been founded by, among others, Dr. Glenn Richard Unger (alias "Dr. Sam Kennedy") of Clifton Park, N.Y. Another principal, GFR "elder" Samuel Lynn Davis of Boise, Idaho, last year had $53,000 in outstanding state and federal tax liens against him; this year, Davis also was convicted on 31 counts of bank fraud and money laundering.

In March 2010, the GFR made national headlines when it mailed letters to the governors of all 50 states demanding they step down. Although the letters did not spell out what would happen if they did not, the state of Nevada, at least, decided to add metal detectors to the Capitol and closed all but one entrance. "We just decided that it was appropriate to err on the side of caution," an official said then.

That same month, the GFR issued a rambling list of its goals and maxims that it called the Restore America Plan. It vowed to end "unjust" taxation, destroy the Internal Revenue Service, and dismiss all constitutional amendments after the 13th, which abolished slavery (the 14th made the freedmen citizens). It said a "European prince" had promised to fund a new government. "These are the words of Tim Turner," it added, "an intelligent, courageous Sovereign man of God."

On March 29, the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI sent police agencies a confidential "Intelligence and Analysis Note" about the GFR's demand that governors step down. "[L]aw enforcement should be aware that this could be interpreted as a justification for violence or other criminal actions," it said.

That May, a veteran Sarasota, Fla., police detective heard about Turner and his promises from his brother. Det. Tom Laughlin went on to file documents in the local courthouse calling himself an "American National Sovereign." Two weeks later, on May 20, 2010, two police officers were murdered by a pair of sovereign citizens in West Memphis, Ark., an event that drew national attention to the nature of at least some sovereigns. Laughlin was fired as a result of his filing.

Renaming the Revolution

In the months that followed, Turner cemented his leadership role in the GFR and ultimately pushed Unger out of the group. Then, in a secretive Nov. 13, 2010, gathering in Spring City, Utah, Turner and other GFR "delegates" decided to change the name of the group to the Republic for the united States of America. (Many sovereigns believe if they do not capitalize the "U" in United States, they will avoid acknowledging the federal government is legitimate and thus capitulating to it.)

This February, Turner caused a stir among his followers when he sent them a letter insisting that the future "Republic" he hopes to create will be a Christian nation — an idea that many sovereigns do not agree with. He lambasted a series of nine U.S. presidents, blaming them for everything from an exploding national debt to "rampant homosexuality" to the "intentional poisoning of our people." And Turner focused in on President Obama: "He is not even a lawful American citizen," he said. "He is a Muslim which [sic] are sworn to kill anyone who is not Muslim."

Around the same time, Turner announced that he was forming a militant wing of RuSA, to be called the American Rangers. Although it's unclear if that ever really happened, law enforcement officials near his south Alabama town said they have seen armed "marshals of the Republic" patrolling in the area.

This spring, Turner told his followers that he would soon be leaving the country to consult with prime ministers and princes in 80 countries, all of them supposedly promising to financially back Turner's new government. On each weekly phone conference, followers asked how preparations were progressing. During one, Turner said he would be leaving "in a few days. We've been held up because of paperwork. ... But the Lord is delivering that situation right now."

Turner disappeared from the weekly calls in the middle of March, and his associates told followers that he had finally left the country. But local officials say he simply stayed at home with his wife on a secluded piece of property, holding meetings in a rundown mansion some 10 miles away.

Many of Turner's followers didn't swallow his story. They asked about the promised foreign money, and about the status of the developing Republic. Dozens left as more and more of them began to question Turner's representations.

Turner fired back in April. "There are many out there who accuse me of being a liar," he said. "But if every one of those people go back and analyze the words that I've said, I've not lied to anybody. ... God will vindicate me on [sic] the time that I'm supposed to be vindicated, and that time is getting very near."

Impossible Things

Is James Timothy Turner a prophet or a confidence man?

It seems clear that some of his followers are beginning to suspect it's the latter. And it's certain that some of what Turner associate Kelby Smith refers to as "things that sound absolutely impossible" are, in fact, clearly untrue. And that's not even counting Turner's predictions, promises, and bogus legal theories.

Turner has said that he cured leukemia in five days.

He repeatedly regales his followers with vague but electrifying accounts of attempts to assassinate him by the federal government. "It didn't work out so well, not for them at least," he told followers of one supposed attempt in Virginia. "But you have to remember, these attacks, even though they appear to be personal, really don't have anything to do with me. It's an attack on the Republic."

Earlier this year, he promised followers he would disclose certain "state secrets" following an economic collapse he predicted would happen by March. March came and went, but Turner never revisited the subject.

In one of his weekly calls, a follower asked Turner to explain what really happened when, as some people believe, an alien spacecraft crashed in 1947 near Roswell, N.M. His jaw-dropping reply: "I'm not going to tell you they [aliens] exist or don't exist. What I'm going to say is every nation on Earth, or every industrialized nation on Earth at least, has a treaty with them."

And he regularly claims to have "hundreds of thousands" of followers.

At press time, RuSA was still roiled with anger at the death of William Foust, who many Turner followers believe was purposely murdered by the police. In late June, Kelby Smith made a plea to increasingly angry acolytes. "I formally ask everybody to stand down," Smith said. "We are a law-abiding people that simply know the truth, and our job is simply to share it, even with the cops."

For his part, Turner keeps pressing on, apparently unfazed by the death of Foust, the bank fraud conviction of Samuel Lynn Davis, the questions about his own leadership, or even the rising talk of violence among his members.

"We may be in a hard place due to the power of the [government] that seems to care little for the law or the American people," he wrote his followers recently. But, he said, "We will overcome their violence and oppression... . If we remain faithful to the principles even in these hard times, God is faithful and will deliver this Republic into its proper place among the governments of the world."

[Michael K.]

Tim Turner's New Cause:  Occupy Wall Street

"Panama Law" was the original source of the press release concerning Tim Turners much quoted declaration that he is the "interim President," although that has now disappeared down the 'memory hole.'  

http://www.panamalaw.org/occupy_wall_st ... ained.html

Occupy Wall Street Explained

Introduction – Right now Occupy Wall Street is our biggest chance for correcting the nation's ills. The Occupation movement is fundamentally non-partisan and its brilliance lies in its rejection of the traditional, divisive lines in politics and economics. Occupy Wall Street (and its sister movements) are not leftist or rightists, though other factions have tried to make it seem so. The people have decided to stand together and refuse to divide themselves into groups which the bankers and their cronies in government can hijack and render ineffective.

Organization – A key factor in the movement is its decentralization. You'll notice that there's no group calling the shots and no leaders. This is because it's finally been recognized that the political party model of politics has failed. To organize yourselves on these lines requires massive funding, the development of a hierarchy, and other such things that open you up to corruption and set you on the path to failure. You cannot win by modeling yourselves after the elite. You CAN win by being a fluid and faceless movement (as in the film V for Vendetta) with no center to strike at.

As a consequence of this organization and its solidarity, the movement does not have an official list of demands. It refuses to be pigeonholed because, again, this movement is non-partisan, and is a collective outburst of anger and discontent against the 1% of the nation that has ruined the economy, which is why they refer to themselves as the 99%. Where many criticize it as being disorganized, it's actually far more organized than people imagine. The nation's youth sees this as a movement that they can stand behind, not a movement that will just propel more scheming politicians into the ranks of the elite...

Intentions – For now, the main intention of the movement is to force accountability of the richest 1% of the United States population, starting with the banks. There are many smaller goals that individual groups want to accomplish such as eliminating the Federal Reserve and lowering tax rates on the lower income brackets, but the biggest worry of all is accountability. Everybody has chosen to unite, in spite of their varying beliefs on other issues, to force this change. Furthermore, the 99% has finally realized that individual concessions will not end the problem. Things are rotten in Denmark and no individual change will correct it.

The protests will continue until either a number of banks fail, a run on the banks is successful, or a number of other serious changes take place. One victory is all it will take. Once the people realize that they have effected a change, in the way that popular elections cannot, then the movement will spread like wildfire and hopefully the current system will give way to significant changes. This is the goal, and I believe there's a darn good chance at success....

Anonymous – There is a related group out there called Anonymous. Anonymous promises to put force behind the protestors by shutting down the exchanges and police networks when the time is right. This means, when the movement has reached its climax, there will be a swift and decisive move toward systemic collapse.

There are many false videos out there posing as this person/group (originating on the online network 4chan.org, to my knowledge). There have been disinformation agents putting up false videos and claims by this group giving fictitious deadlines that inevitably are not fulfilled. In reality, Anonymous has never released a time frame and does possess the ability to strike but their timing must be strategic. In combination with the 99% movement, this may be decisive.

The Question of Violence – We already know that the police have assaulted and arrested many protestors. It's possible that police resistance to this movement will grow stronger and stronger culminating in the use of tear gas, and other such measures. It's my opinion that the people will retaliate against the police with their own violent measures if this does occur.

However, I think that the government will be reluctant to do this because the people are too spread out and decentralized. A centralized power cannot win against a decentralized resistance network, which can strike anywhere at any time. I can only hope that the police will begin to realize what they're really fighting for if this happens, but a steady paycheck can outweigh ideological issues. In the end, the United States is a dying power and does not stand much chance at all of prevailing if the 99% turns on them.

Conclusions – Because of Occupy Wall Street's decentralization, and thus, resistance to corruption, they stand a solid chance at their goals. The people are far smarter and have learned their lessons from past organizational failures, and hopefully will prevail in the very near future.

[Wimpy]

Michael K.,

I took some time to investigate what this Drake persona and Bill Wood (dishonorably discharged Navy Seal)are up to and could only find lengthy audios on three different websites.  I am quite skeptical but I do understand why the UFO, David Icke, B. Fulford,David Wilcox crowd are so eager to accept these portenders of hope and I also sense that these people might be walking into a trap.

First, their attention is focused away from personal responsibility towards a New Hero, offering a rather bloodless and benevolent solution aimed at eliminating the Banking Cabal: Military arrests of thousands (no specifics since Drake can not telegraph the plans).  All we  need to do is sit around for 2-3 weeks, inside, and eat the couple of weeks of food we so thoughtfully stored away.  Oh, and do tell your neighbors not to be alarmed and that everything will be A O K.  Tell them you already new all about this and be a leader.  AND, When I Publish ""GREEN LIGHT ALERT"" on my website, you will know it is time.  http://freedomreigns.us/ALERTS.html

Another enticement aimed towards these eager people is confiscation of the Cabal's wealth, freezing accounts, shutting down all air travel for three days and creating a new monetary revaluation based on equity (not debt).  The arrests of Gov people, BTW, will only take place at the Federal Level; the individual States must arrest their own.  So, if you have a crappy State run Government you will be on your own. :lol:  Sounds great but no supportive evidence.  Nadda.  Zip....

A Lawsuit was filed (there is a copy on line somewhere), Internationally, by this Group under Admiralty Law based on the supposed 2 Billion Pounds of Asian Gold that the Cabal borrowed and haven't paid the 4% annual interest.  Proof of the claim is in the form of Federal Reserve Treasury Bonds in the $Trillions for Gold Bullion.  Now the Cabal owes the Gold amount and another 4 Billion pounds of Gold as an interest payment (60 years interest).  The lawsuit will force these guys into default because it is based on Real Tangible Equity and NOT debt back notes which, ostensibly, keeps the issue out of Federal courts (i believe) and forces it into an International Court body (?).  The enforcement of this Admiralty Claim will be via the US Military Marshall.  In days of old, so we're told, this is the only way to en-Force valid claims.  Contesting this claim, apparently due to the wording, further validates the claim.  This leaves all those eager people convinced that this is a Done Deal,...because the US Military is convinced too...

Drake has a folksy way about him and comes across as a straight shooter but lacks substance in the form of evidence and proof of his being backed by most of the US Military; oh, uh...he can't divulge details for obvious reasons.  When Drake answers a question, and he's usually rather brief, he will finish with something like "and that's all I've got to say on that".    

That is the thumbnail sketch but, believe me, you could listen for hours and not get any more information that this.  This Drake fellow is a former Viet Nam vet and self proclaimed member of the "White Dragon Society".  Do ask me; don't know, but it is a group that Benjamin Fulford also claims membership.

The Bill Woods fellow, I swear he looks like a young white Obama, is also on this band wagon but with a different twist.  He claims the recently passed NDAA Bill was a ploy of Obama to allow him to arrest these Cabal members without due process and avoid the 'expensive Attorney' routine.  We are being told by this "Project Camelot", Cruise Missile Expert, and Statutory rapist that Obama is really on 'our' side.  No proof or evidence to be seen here either.  Bill Wood and Drake both talk to the listeners as if the audience was fresh to the idea of a Mafia controlling our Country.

Oh, and please co-operate with the police and the Military because they can be trusted and they are on our side. :roll:

The "set-up" I see is everyone (the listeners) falling into the trap of trusting the actual bad guys when the shit hits the fan.

[Wimpy]

Dissension in the ranks; the expulsion of Bill Wood-Wimpy

"In 1998 Brockbrader was brought up on charges of Statutory Rape of a minor, hereinafter defined in Military Regulations: Carnal Knowledge of a Minor who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years, is punishable by Dishonorable Discharge, Forfeiture of all Pay and Allowances, and Confinement for up to 20 years. William N. Brockbrader engaged in sex with a minor in and was subsequently charged, tried and found guilty by a General Courts Martial for the crime of Rape.

The following information comes from the Utah State Sex Offenders case file on Brockbrader. Conviction Date: 04/20/1998 Offense Description: MILITARY - RAPE; 3RD DEGREE FELONY Height: 6'2" Weight: 165 Eye Color: GREEN Hair Color: BROWN Id Marks: TATTOO ON R_BICEP (TRIBAL ARM BAND) Source Agency State: UT Registration Number: 5359 School Address: Release Date: 20031001 Criminal Offense - UT Name: WILLIAM N BROCKBRADER Address: 1565 PLATA WAY # SANDY, SANDY, UT 84093-2376 (Salt Lake COUNTY) Conviction Date: 04/20/1998

Release Date - 11/01/2003 Degree Of Offense: F3 (THIRD DEGREE FELONY) Counts: 1 Offense Description: STATUTORY RAPE Height: 6'2" Weight: 165 Eye Color: GREEN Hair Color: BROWN Source Agency State: UT Address Date: 20080102 Brockbrader served his sentence in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas; except the last six months of which he claims were spent in the Psychological Ward of a military hospital (Most likely a Psychiatric Ward, since we do not have separate Psychological Wards). Following his release from Prison and Dishonorable Discharge from the U.S. Navy he returned to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked in construction, and at a medical laser firm. He's a registered sex offender in Utah..."

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The full article excerpted above was just posted By William Silva in Freedom Reigns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/125145437569277/doc/293634487387037/

Mr. Silva posts his credentials, pasted here for you to read before you go read the entire article for yourself:

"I served on continuous active duty in the U.S. Navy from 1963 until my retirement in 1997. I became a Navy SEAL in 1967 as an E-4 (enlisted man) and served a number of tours in Vietnam with SEAL Team ONE and UDT's 11 and 13. Following my commission as an Officer in 1975, I served within the Naval Special Warfare community and also went on to become a Plans, Operations, and Medical Intelligence specialist, which meant I was a "war" planner in support of our Combatant Commanders (geographical commanders). I served two tours with the Joint Chiefs of Staff (OJCS), two tours on the Chief of Naval Operations (OPNAV) Staff, numerous assignments on the Navy Surgeon General staff, the U.S. Atlantic Command, the U.S. Central Command, Commander, Middle East Forces and various other assignments. I have been directly involved in every "war" this country has been involved in since 1964, including Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm/Desert Shield and others which are still classified. I provide this as my bona fides n support the following information. The information is formatted as either lies, publically stated by Brockbrader (aka Wood) or as issues of fact for which I provide official references. Friends, this is not the kind of individual that we need to have associated in any manner with Freedom Reigns and I am sure you will come to the same conclusion after reviewing the below provided information..."