Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran

[MikeWB]

Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force".

The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.

They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.

Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.

The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.

The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:

Carrier Strike Group Nine
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing Two
Destroyer Squadron Nine:
USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines

Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group
USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier
USS Pearl Harbor (LSD52) assult ship
USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock
USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser
USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer
USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer

Carrier Strike Group Two
USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing Eight
Destroyer Squadron 22
USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser
USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer
USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer
USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer

USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group
USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier
with its Amphibious Squadron Four
and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit
USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship
USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser
USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer
USS Carter Hall (LSD50) assault ship
USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer

USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

Carrier Strike Group Seven
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing 14
Destroyer Squadron 7
USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser
USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer
USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer
USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer
USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate
USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship

Also likely to join the battle armada:

UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships

French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:

USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate

The USS Iwo Jima and USS Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Groups have USMC Harrier jump jets and an assortment of assault and attack helicopters. The Expeditionary Strike Groups have powerful USMC Expeditionary Units with amphibious armor and ground forces trained for operating in shallow waters and in seizures of land assets, such as Qeshm Island (a 50 mile long island off of Bandar Abbas in the Gulf of Hormuz and headquarters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps).

The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East's oil supply.

The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria's Tartous port for resupply. The Admiral Kuznetsov carries approximately 47 warplanes and 10 helicopters. The warplanes are mostly the powerful Su-33, a naval version (with mid-air refueling capability) of the Su-27 family. While the Su-33 is a very powerful warplane it lacks the power of the stealth USAF F-22. However, the Russians insist that they have developed a plasma based system that allows them to stealth any aircraft and a recent incident where Russian fighters were able to appear unannounced over a US Navy carrier battle group tends to confirm their claims. The Su-33 can be armed with the 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missile (NATO code name SS-N-22 Sunburn) and the even more powerful P-800 Oniks (also named Yakhonts; NATO code name SS-N-26 Onyx). Both missiles are designed to kill US Navy supercarriers by getting past the cruiser/destroyer screen and the USN point-defense Phalanx system by using high supersonic speeds and violent end maneuvers. Russian subs currently use the underwater rocket VA-111 Shkval (Squall), which is fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes and reaches a speed of 360kph (230mph) underwater. There is no effective countermeasures to this system and no western counterpart.

A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border. Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons.

Kuwait has activated its "Emergency War Plan" as it and other Gulf nations prepare for the likelihood of a major regional war in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction.

The two-ton elephant in the living room of the neo-con strategy is the advanced biowar (ABW) that Iran, and to a lessor extent Syria, has. This places the motherlands of the major neo-con nations (America, France, the United Kingdom), as well as Israel, in grave danger. When the Soviet Union fell the Iranians hired as many out-of-work former Soviet advanced biowar experts as possible. In the last 15 or so years they have helped to develop a truly world class ABW program utilizing recombination DNA genetic engineering technology to create a large number of man made killer viruses. This form of weapon system does not require high tech military delivery systems. The viruses are sub-microscopic and once seeded in a population use the population itself as vectors. Seeding can be done without notice in shopping malls, churches, and other public places. The only real defense to an advanced global strategic biowar attack is to lock down the population as rapidly as possible and let those infected die off.

Unless the public gets it act together and forces the neo-cons to stop the march to yet another war in the Middle East we are apt to see a truly horrific nightmare unfold in OUR COUNTRIES.

Stirling

[K-Sensor]

Something is going to happen in from the 9th to the 21st, which will bring war and what not till the start of September.

[Roy Hobs]

K-Sensor wrote:

"Something is going to happen in from the 9th to the 21st, which will bring war and what not till the start of September."



K-Sensor.................first of all, I can't understand your sentence?  Not trying to break your balls, but are you a non-english speaking person?  

Second...............where is your proof/source?

You can't just come out and make a statement such as yours, without providing any supporting background information.  



In other words.................how is it that you know what is going to happen?

[K-Sensor]

K-Sensor.................first of all, I can't understand your sentence?  Not trying to break your balls, but are you a non-english speaking person?

I tend to stack sentences, rather than use the modern english style of putting one meaning/logical-point, per sentence.

Second...............where is your proof/source?

Israelite festivals this next seven years reign in on special celestial events.  The times are too important for those in the know to ignore, be they good or bad persuasion.  Something is going to happen were Israel is suppressed and makes its freedom.

You need to have an understanding of the 70th week of Daniel, festival dates and other occurrences in the Bible.  A start maybe to watch these.

http://66.155.114.80/video/Dsl/5904-D.wmv
http://66.155.114.80/video/Dsl/5904-E.wmv

[K-Sensor]

Roy you already knew where I was coming but had to rumble.

[K-Sensor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548715.stm

 Russian tanks enter South Ossetia, raising tensions with Georgia which is fighting separatist rebels there.

[Roy Hobs]

K-Sensor.......

I'm not trying to "rumble" with you.  

In other words.........I'm not picking on "you".

If I were to pick a fight, my fight is with either self-professing christians (which I assume is what you are) who don't know their own Bible and use Scripture completely out of context; or my fight is with people who try to use the Bible as a way to explain what we are witnessing today in 2008.

I have written on this topic/discussion before.  My problem with pointing to Religion or the Bible etc., etc., is that all this does is -- so to speak -- chops the balls off of good and capable men to stand up and say, "no more".  

I am so frustrated in this life because I am surrounded by so called "christians" who, when I tell them about 9-11 and the World Jewish Conspiracy.............they look at me and say, "we are in the End times and there is nothing we can do about it."  

I've had it!!!!  

So I am to the point now where I am starting to hate christians!  

Also.............I am not a Preterist, but I could forward you more than enough articles to demonstrate that the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled in A.D. 70.  

So.................all I am trying to say to you is STOP POINTING THE FINGER at the Bible or religious beliefs etc., etc.

You say something is going to happen.  

Maybe you would be better off stating this this is YOUR OPINION.  

Don't state things such as that as 'matter of fact'.  

Because it is not fact.  It is your DELUSION of what you "believe".  

If things are happening, as you point out like the invasion of Georgia etc., etc...............

Then this is man made.  And these people are probably doing these types of things because they know people like you will believe it is "divine".

9-11 was accepted in the US because of the Bible.  Think about that.  Think about the media blitz that was put on this country pre and post regarding the bible and how it is prophecied that Islam wants to dominate the world.  

These things that we are witnessing today are not happening because of God's Will.  This is NOT divine.

If you want to believe that this is Satan causing all of these things than so be it.  But don't state things as fact, unless you have proof beyond scripture.  

The Bible is NOT prophecying events today.  Let me repeat that..........

The Bible is NOT prophecying events that are happening today such as 9-11.  

If you believe this...........prove it SCRIPTURALLY.



If you want to throw Scripture around............I can wipe you under the table!  I know your book better than you.  Try me.  

Let's have a Theological discussion on PM.  You up for it???

Roy

[Ralph Furely]

HERE HERE!!!

a few yrs ago when Bjerknes was calling into DBS's show, when he would just go by "Chris" and no one knew who he was, he talked a bit about this very thing.  actually this was just after israel invaded Lebanon.
he was referencing certain shit in the bible and showing how these ppl actually make things happen to COINCIDE with shit in the bible.  which is one more reason why so many accept  this nonsense as fate, or prophecy.  its very fucking dangerous, and this takes from the same mind frame as the maniacs in 'control'.  everything must get much worse before it gets better.  

this shit is man made.  they may be following the play book and doing shit that goes along with what was talked about in the bible, thus to the uneducated or otherwise, it looks or seems like its supposed to happen.
like you just have to accept it cuz its the will of god or some shit.  but these are men, who are living today, who are making this shit happen.  its not just happening cuz its prophecy.  its happening because the ppl in power want it to.  so they make it so.

just wanted to throw that in there.

[Anonymous]

Well said Roy Hobs.  Any "prophecy" is self-created, self-fulfilled, get over the "God" power of controlling events and the "info" in the Bible about anything going on in the "future".  History repeats cyclical similar vague events that have characteristics that can be attributed to things over and over, this is another way of pointing at something and calling it "prophecy".

Please no Bible or religious debates on the forum.  Take it to PMs if you want to duke it out with someone

Peace.

[blueocean]

I can remmember someone on the radio saying that all the end time prophecy had already happened scriptural. which means that all these zionist christians waiting to be raptured are F 'in dupes.

Thoughts repeat themselves, so does time apparently and events.


If you see through that maybe you are able to predict something maybe not, time will tell........


If ya write it done and enough belief it, then the the probability of it happening increases.  That is why zionist controlled hollywood is and has been so busy in 'PRE-PROGRAMMING' the masses for events to happen.

[Ytene]

Friends,

The Secret Government of the world is guided by Kabbalah and Talmud.  These people are not materialists.  They do not have a mindset where things just happen and they opportunistically react.  They time table events in accordance with their religion and world view.  The Christian prophecies and faith have nothing to do with how the Architects construct events.  They are operating within their own belief system.

And there is reason to be aware and to be bold with truth that challenges that belief system and its prevailing delusionas.

August 8 is of course the opening of the global games - a diversion if ever there was one.  More importantly, August 8 2008 is also the 8th of Av 5768.  This is the Shabbat Chazon  before Tisha B'av.  It is the climax of the 3 week period of mourning of DESTRUCTION beginning with Rosh Chodesh August 1 2008 (1st of Av 5768).  This period is also known as Bein Ham Tzarim ' - Between the Straits. (Now where exactly is that Armada headed?)

In Israel this time is 'the Darkest Time', the Day of Destruction.  Those who orchestrated a century of wars timed the beginning of WW I on Tisha B'Av.

Historically the Chronology of Destruction with which this time is concerned is very long:  http://www.ou.org/yerushalayim/tishabav/chazon.html. Many events (all adverse) have been timetabled for Tisa B'AV.

Those who believe in a Higher Power of good (however conceived), who believe that humanity has a future and hope in the goodness and mercy of that Power should pray, should pray for America and all nations and people being dragged into this war.

Rex esto eorum omnium, qui in tenebris idolatriae aut islamismi adhuc versantur, eosque in lumen regnumque tuum vindicare ne rennas.  Respice denique misericordiae oculi illius gentis filios, quae tamdin populus electus fuit: et Sanguis, qui olim super eos invocatus est, nunc in illios quoque redemptionis vitaeque lavacrum descendat.

Be Thou King of all those who are involved in the darkness of idolatry, of Islamism and refuse not to draw them all into the light and kingdom of God.  Turn Thine eyes of mercy toward the children of that race, once elect: the Blood of the Saviour once they called down upon them, may It now descend upon them a laver of redemption and life.
Invocation to the Sacred Heart, Jesus Christ, King, by order of Pope Pius XI 1927.

[K-Sensor]

Well said Roy Hobs.  Any "prophecy" is self-created, self-fulfilled, get over the "God" power of controlling events and the "info" in the Bible about anything going on in the "future".

Everything is self created in this existence, even your stance not to believe.  So what's your point?

The Bible is a layout, a plan, a documentation of events, The prophecies.  It's unreasonable to think that anyone can direct the World to meet the said outcomes.  It's like saying Rothschilds/Cecils have absolute control over finance.  We know they are big players but hey aren't the total control.  So factor that into the equation when rating the validity of the Bible.

Roy it's pretty clear that the statue in Daniel and Paul & John's message of end times wasn't about 70AD.

[K-Sensor]

The Secret Government of the world is guided by Kabbalah and Talmud.  These people are not materialists.  They do not have a mindset where things just happen and they opportunistically react.  They time table events in accordance with their religion and world view.  The Christian prophecies and faith have nothing to do with how the Architects construct events.  They are operating within their own belief system..

Exactly.  E

[Anonymous]

Be Thou King of all those who are involved in the darkness of idolatry, of Islamism and refuse not to draw them all into the light and kingdom of God. Turn Thine eyes of mercy toward the children of that race, once elect: the Blood of the Saviour once they called down upon them, may It now descend upon them a laver of redemption and life.
Invocation to the Sacred Heart, Jesus Christ, King, by order of Pope Pius XI 1927.

http://one-evil.org/people/people_20c_Pius_XI.htm

To help combat democratic capitalistic models of government and promote their replacement with facist regimes, Pope Pius XI published the encyclical Dilectissima Nobis (1933), in which he addressed the situation of the Church in Republican Spain, he proclaimed, that the Church is not "bound to one form of government more than to another, provided the Divine rights of God and of Christian consciences are safe", and specifically referred to "various civil institutions, be they monarchic or republican, aristocratic or democratic".
     The effect of this Papal Bull, enforced throughout every Catholic community in the world, was to promote the cause of facist government models.
     He established Vatican Radio in 1931, and was the first Pope to broadcast on radio.
     While Pope Pius XI was modern in the use of media as a propaganda tool, the Pope was thoroughly orthodox theologically and had no sympathy with modernist ideas that relativised fundamental Catholic teachings. He condemned modernism in his writings and addresses.
     On the 8th July 1933, the Vatican signed a Concordant with the Nazis regime in Germany. The German representative on behalf of Adolf Hitler was Franz Von Papen.
     Politically and morally, the Concordant was unprecedented in its range of concessions. From the date of its signing, all Catholic Bishops and clergy were ordered by the Vatican to pledge an oath of allegiance to Adolf Hitler- effectively turning the entire Catholic apparatus into a state tool of the Nazis (or vice versa).
     The agreement also had two immediate effects, the first being that the Nazi Third Reich would pay a significant annual sum to the Vatican in "recognition" for the lost revenues of the Catholic Church since losing the Papal States. In exchange, the Concordant provided the Nazis the highest possibly international credibility as a legitimate government, and not as a temporary holder of power. Thanks in no small part to Pope Pius XI, Adolf Hitler from July 1933 onwards was seen as a legitimate international leader.
     This Concordant and the position of Adolf Hitler continues to be honored to this day by the present German Government and every previous government since 1933 in continuing to pay the Vatican what has amounted to Billions of dollars of blood money, tax free.
     The government of Mexico in the 1930s embarked on severe anti-clerical measures. (Disputes related to the Catholic Church had long been part of the history of Mexico.) In the state of Tabasco the Church was in effect outlawed altogether. Pius XI condemned the Mexican government in his 1932 encyclical Acerba Animi.
     The republican government which had come to power in Spain in 1931 was also strongly anti-clerical, secularising education and expelling the Jesuits from the country. This encouraged Catholics to support the military coup against the Republican government in 1936 led by General Francisco Franco.

Of publishing a false statement and establishing and unlawful enterprise for the purpose of Crime (1929): That the Vatican having promoted and supported the career of Benito Mussolini was granted upon his election as Prime Minister a formal treaty known as the Lateran Treaty which (1) created the state of the Vatican City and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See; (2) That the pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and to abstention from mediation to a controversy except when specifically requested by all parties; (3) a concordat establishing Catholicism as the religion of Italy; (4) a financial arrangement awarding money to the Holy See in settlement of all its claims against Italy arising from the loss of temporal power in 1870; and (5) to redefine the the canon sin of usury, to not mean gains from money lending, but rather simply profiting "exorbitantly", thereby enabling the spiritual and legal framework for establishing a bank completely controlled by the Catholic Church.

That in spite of Mussolini being known as both a mass murderer, facist and war criminal, the Vatican has continued to main the legitimacy of these treaties to the present day. That the agreement effectively made the Vatican a separate state in the middle of Italy and free to continue to operate under diplomatic immunity.
          Of establishing an unlawful enterprise for the purpose of crime and funding criminal activity (1929 to present day): That upon the securing of diplomatic immunity of the Vatican, Pope Pius XI did immediately authorize the establishment of the Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR) or Institute for Religious Works, also known as the Vatican Bank. That under the protection of the Lateran treaty of war criminal Mussolini, the Catholic Church did establish the first bank in history: that had full diplomatic immunity, that was complete controlled by a major religion and did not have to disclose its banking records, nor charter.

That the purpose of the Vatican Bank upon its formation were: (1) To fund criminal enterprises including war, terrorism, drug trade expansion, assassination, and revolution; (2) To invest in industries that promote social breakdown and dependence including arms trade, drug trade and media (3) To launder the profits of various branches of the Catholic Church including the Mafia (established by the Vatican in 1870), the Nazis (established by the Vatican in 1921), the Jesuits and other criminal enterprises controlled by the Catholic Church including the Federal Reserve Bank System of the United States (1913).

          Of obtaining property by deception (1933 to present) That the Roman Catholic Church of Germany has received and continues to receive payments by the taxpayers of Germany equating to a church tax consistent with the terms of a Concordant signed by Adolf Hitler and Pope Pius XI immediately upon Hitler gaining control of Germany. That the historic claim of these taxes date back to Aristocratic tributes to Rome in light of the loss of the Papal States under Napoleon in the 19th Century. That these payments to the Vatican have remained intact and have consistently been paid since 1933 before Word War II, during World War II, during the split of Germany and Communism and now under the unification of Germany. That these payments constitute the obtaining of property by deception in claiming the Roman Catholic Church to be both an institution of public good and a lawful organisation. The the total property earned by this criminal organization by stealing from the taxpayers of Germany since 1933 is between $20 and $50 Billion (2006 US equivalent dollars).

          Of crimes against humanity for the purpose of hiding and trading the proceeds of crime (1934 to present day): That Swiss Catholics did enable a law to be passed in 1934 making the disclosure of Swiss Bank accounts a serious crime. That the purposes of this corrupt and inhuman law were to: (1) Enable money funneled in and out of the Catholic Church via the Vatican Bank to be transferred to a safe haven for further distribution; (2) To provide a specific second funnel for repatriation of profits for American Catholic influenced companies from Germany; (3) Provide a second safe point and level of money laundering for criminal finance should the Vatican Bank ever be compromised or disrupted.

[Roy Hobs]

K-Sensor wrote:

"Everything is self created in this existence, even your stance not to believe. So what's your point?"

My point is, and has been since I joined this forum (If you read my Post in this particular Thread), is for christians or non-christians to STOP pointing the finger at religion; the Bible etc., etc. as an explanation to what we are witnessing today in history.  

Every generation throughout time has thought that they were in the Last Days and it didn't happen.  I have read stories of churches in Germany who just layed down and did nothing because they thought they were witnessing the End Times.  

Can't you understand my point?  

When we point to the Bible to explain this stuff, then it makes it seem as if there is nothing anybody can do about it.  Can't you see this?

You, K-Sensor (and others) come on this site and try to pass the New World Order off as some Divine plan that is not the control of humans.  I don't really care so much that you do that here -- TIU.  Because no one will accept it.

But............I'm worried what you say and do in life.  Who are you influencing?  

My guess is that you are a christian and you are probably active in your church or community.  Just a hunch, so don't jump all over me if I'm wrong.  I'm assuming here.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are influencing other Christians and affirming their beliefs that we are about to witness the return of Jesus.  So all these people will now just sit on their hands, watch and pray.  When all of you people could be hitting the streets and telling others that we can stop this.  

I have stated on this Blog that I was a christian zionist a few years back.  My entire social circle involves other christian zionists.  In fact the only people I know in this life, apart from my work social circle, are christian zionists.  I was very active within the Calvary Chapel movement.  My grandfather was Chuck Smith's personal assistant.  My brother is a pastor at Calvary Chapel.  I was highly connected.  This church movment, as an example, has over One Million members world wide.  Think about it................

If I could influence this particular church, we could have over One Million people with the knowledge of the truth about 9-11; the Federal Reserve; the Jewish Conspiracy, etc., etc.  

With those kinds of numbers, we could actually do something here in the States.  We could have members of congress arrested or kicked out of office.  We could have Bush and his associates arrested.  We could pull our troops back and educate them as to our real enemy.  We could do all of these things and stop this conspiracy in it's tracks.  We could do this if we had PEOPLE.  

So I'm trying to educate my christian zionist friends and they laugh at me.  

And they laugh at me because they hear people like YOU telling them that we are about to witness the return of Christ.  

Don't you understand?  

And I also believe that 9-11 has allowed to happen without any recourse because of Christianity.  Think about that.


K-Sensor also wrote:

"The Bible is a layout, a plan, a documentation of events, The prophecies. It's unreasonable to think that anyone can direct the World to meet the said outcomes. It's like saying Rothschilds/Cecils have absolute control over finance. We know they are big players but they aren't the total control. So factor that into the equation when rating the validity of the Bible."

Ok............who is the "total control"?  Who, in your opinion, has more control over the Rothschilds?  Name them.  Go ahead, name them.  I'm sure we here at TIU would be delighted to be educated as to who is controlling the Rothschilds.  

Lastly K-Sensor wrote:
"Roy it's pretty clear that the statue in Daniel and Paul & John's message of end times wasn't about 70AD."


This is why I hate christians.  You are going to allow a description of a statue in Daniel convince you that A.D. 70 was not a fulfillment?  Were you there in A.D. 70?  

Jesus said in Matthew -- "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move, and nothing will be impossible fo you."

K-Sensor.................I just told the mountain next to me where I live to move and it didn't.  Could you please tell it to move?  It's blocking the sun right now and I'd like to get some sun on my porch so my tomatoes will grow.

What's my point??  

Obviously this verse/saying is "figurative".  Meaning................NOT LITERAL.  

The Bible is full of allegory; imagery; symbolism, NON-literal statements, etc., etc.  

And you are going to take things literally and make emphatic statements here and to your friends and family that we are witnessing the last days and there is nothing we can do about it.  

Keep your 'beliefs' to your self.  Reveal those things that are facts and can be proven.  Thanks.

[LatinAmericanview]

Friends,

The Secret Government of the world is guided by Kabbalah and Talmud. These people are not materialists. They do not have a mindset where things just happen and they opportunistically react. They time table events in accordance with their religion and world view. The Christian prophecies and faith have nothing to do with how the Architects construct events. They are operating within their own belief system.

Alright they are Kabbalists. However, they are all not kabalists. Additionally it is doubtful that they believe in the prophesies the way the uninitiated believe. In other words, these elites make things happen for the sake of instilling irrational beliefs in others.  This is a con game.

And there is reason to be aware and to be bold with truth that challenges that belief system and its prevailing delusionas.

August 8 is of course the opening of the global games - a diversion if ever there was one. More importantly, August 8 2008 is also the 8th of Av 5768. This is the Shabbat Chazon before Tisha B'av. It is the climax of the 3 week period of mourning of DESTRUCTION beginning with Rosh Chodesh August 1 2008 (1st of Av 5768). This period is also known as Bein Ham Tzarim ' - Between the Straits. (Now where exactly is that Armada headed?)

correlation and Causation! Please learn the difference.  Now I suspect that super computer simulations have more to do with the plans then anything else. However, a clever war planner would certainly incorporate religious aspects into any planing since so many people believe in the end times.

In Israel this time is 'the Darkest Time', the Day of Destruction. Those who orchestrated a century of wars timed the beginning of WW I on Tisha B'Av.

Historically the Chronology of Destruction with which this time is concerned is very long: http://www.ou.org/yerushalayim/tishabav/chazon.html. Many events (all adverse) have been timetabled for Tisa B'AV.

Those who believe in a Higher Power of good (however conceived), who believe that humanity has a future and hope in the goodness and mercy of that Power should pray, should pray for America and all nations and people being dragged into this war.

Why not offer something more constructive like - Buy a gun! Store some extra food! Make close friendships. Prayer really helped the poor Iraqis when the Blackwater troops were breaking down doors.

[Roy Hobs]

"Why not offer something more constructive like - Buy a gun! Store some extra food! Make close friendships. Prayer really helped the poor Iraqis when the Blackwater troops were breaking down doors."


My point exactly!  

Do something constructive, rather than just parroting the likes of Tim Lahaye, Jerry Jenkins, Haggee, Chuck Missler, and the rest of these most likely paid Zionist agents (I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is the case).

The Irony with so called christians, is that they don't even know their own Bible.  They will be judged by 'their works'.  Today's so called Christian believes in Eternal Security -- which means basically -- all the way to heaven is heaven.  Once they have so called 'accepted jesus' into their hearts, they are forever saved.  But their book says different!  Romans 2:6-8 just to mention one of MANY scriptures proving my point.  

I haven't met a christian yet who is NOT sitting on their hands.  

IF.......the bible is true, every christian out there today will one day be saying......." Lord, Lord...." you can read the rest at Matthew 7:22-23.

[K-Sensor]

I haven't met a christian yet who is NOT sitting on their hands.

Well many aren't following what the Bible actually speaks.  In every Christian's path should be order.  Didn't Jesus say to obtain a dagger?

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword (dirk), let him sell his garment, and buy one.

but ...

Matthew 26:51  And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


What was the greatest of Issues in end times... deception.

[LatinAmericanview]

They had the president of Georgia on Cnn pleading to Americans that Georgia just wants the same democracy that we have here in the States. The second he said this, I knew this was just a bunch of bullshit.

Words from the prophet Orwell:

'Those who take the sword perish by the sword, and those who don't take the sword perish by smelly diseases. The fact that such a platitude is worth writing down shows what the years of rentier capitalism have done to us...'

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Looking back on the Spanish War, 1943