The Jewish Question

[Anonymous]

The Jewish Question

At the root of our beliefs is the Jewish Question. Nobody can be considered "awake" , or "ally" if they do not understand the Jewish Question.

ANTI-ZIONIST Vs ZIONIST

Many people who do not understand the Jewish Question quickly cling on to the theory of "just some Jews are 'bad'". They feel that the anti-Zionist rabbis, or left wing Jews are 'good' because they oppose 'Zionism'. They are fundamentally mistaken. The anti-Zionist rabbis oppose Zionism solely for religious reason (they feel the time has not yet come to return to Israel) They do not speak on the Jewish ran media, Jewish owned economy, and Jewish enforced politics. Anyone thinking these "anti-Zionist Jews" are 'friends' or 'allies' is simply naive. These rabbis live for the words of their Torah and, Talmud, not for Gentile interest.

JEWISH QUESTION

Over 2000 years of written history shows us a repetitive occurrence of Jews either being mass murdered, or expelled from many lands (link section). From the Middle-East, to Europe, re-action has taken place against the Jew, well over 100 different times the Jews have been expelled from Nations. The cry of the Jew or, Jew defender, is 'religious persecution' , when in reality, many of the lands the Jews were ran out of, did in fact allow them to build their synagogues, and practice their religion. The reason for the repetitive backlash to the Jewish people, is the same throughout history. Usury, the lending of money at exorbitant interest rates, is one of the primal complaints of the Gentile Nations. Usury was unknown to the Gentile people, before the Jew introduced it, in fact the first ever written case of usury can be found in the Torah, when Joseph fleeces the Egyptians. Many of the complaints of our ancestors, were against the Jew's use of Usury. The Talmud, has been cited for another reason, whenever the Host Gentiles found out of the hate, and venom written against them in the Talmud. Nation within a Nation, has been one of the oldest claims. That the Jew is always more loyal to Jewish interest over the Host Nation's, that they are Jewish first, then a citizen. And of course, we can see how that would conflict, A Jew's interest might not be good  for the Host Nation, but that does not matter to the Jew. Alien Thought,is yet another classic charge brought against the Jew. As seen many times throughout history, the Jews have been accused of mis-using the power , and influence they have gained through wealth. They constantly try to change the traditions of a people, the moral compass of a people, etc. All of these concepts existed long before the creation of the term 'zionist'. And we see the same complaints of the past 2000 years being repeated today. This is why it is called the Jewish Question, the question of why do the Jews do what they do? Why has it been a repetitive action? How do we stop it?

THEORIES OF THE JEWISH QUESTION

Over the past 2000 years many people have tried to explain the reason behind the actions of the Jew, here are just a few existing theories:

Group evolution behavior,That through the course of time, the Jewish tribe has adapted certain traits, and that these traits have been passed along genetically.

Cosmic visions, That the Jews have had a different mindset from the Gentile, thus will always have an Alien like thought process to us.

Divine concept, that the issue is biblical.

I personally believe it is a mixture of the first two theories, and will go into detail on the first two theories in the future.

This is the age-old question.....Not the 'Zionist' Question....But the Jewish Question, it is our duty to try and educate the new, and growing crowd of "Zionist conspiracy seekers" If they refuse, or cannot comprehend the Jewish Question, and wish to lay blame only on certain Jews....Then they are no use to us, and cannot be counted on to take the fight to the eternal enemy.

[Ognir]

The eternal question indeed

[Ralph Furely]

good post... thought provoking for sure.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Off the deep end.  You are, literally, an idiot.  

So what's the plan then?  Any and all Jews are a suspected criminals?  Jesus H. Christ.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[blueocean]

1 Driving a group into itself is not very smart.  that way the majority of good people will support the evil minority.


saying that ALL people of that group are evil is a sure way to accomplish this.

[Anonymous]

Off the deep end.  You are, literally, an idiot.  

So what's the plan then?  Any and all Jews are a suspected criminals?  Jesus H. Christ.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

Sounds like the truth is making the Jews expose themselves in here. Hit a hot button did I?

[Anonymous]

And also thanks for using the Jew tactic of ad homien attacks on me, justifying the article I posted...

[GordZilla]

Off the deep end.  You are, literally, an idiot.  

So what's the plan then?  Any and all Jews are a suspected criminals?  Jesus H. Christ.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

With them? Well I always say; 'Guilty till proven innocent'.  They fully earned that reversed judicial distinction.

-Gord

[Anonymous]

This is Chapter 4 from the online book "When Victims Rule: A Critique of Jewish Pre-Eminence in America" on Usury and Jewish psychology on engagement of this deplorable practice.  

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wvr.htm

USURY



      From the beginning of their tenure in Europe (and elsewhere), many Jews were merchants. This provided a base as they began expanding into money lending activities, including usury. Usury is defined most simply as money lending for profit. In medieval times it was universally condemned as a heinous and immoral act by the Christian church. The act of usury was deemed a mortal sin, and its practitioner's path of greed was understood to end in eternal damnation in Hell. The idea of profiteering from someone else's' need -- possibly desperate -- for money was believed by medieval Christianity to be the antithesis of compassion, generosity, and charity. Christ was upheld as an example of poverty, non-materialism, and abstinence. Common wisdom asserted that those who had surplus money to lend in the first place were obsessed with greed and avarice and needed no more -- certainly by usury -- for their coffers. And making money for doing absolutely nothing (except having the money available) went against Christian medieval understandings of decency, justice, honest work, and morality. In essence, usury was perceived as a crass system of exponential exploitation by which the already wealthy could get increasingly wealthier for little more than the fact of their wealth in the first place. (In the nineteenth century, notes Abram Leon, Karl Marx argued that "usury centralized money wealth, where the means of production are disjointed. It does not alter the modes of production but attaches itself to it as a parasite, and makes it miserable. It sucks blood, kills its nerve and compels production to proceed under even more disheartening conditions." [LEON, p. 150]
 
     As George Eaton Simpson and J. Milton Yinger observed:
 
     "The church's condemnation of usury made sense in the relatively
     self-sufficient, largely barter economy in which a large proportion
     of the population lived, even down to the eighteenth century. Under
     those circumstances, a person borrows money only when he has
     suffered some unusual loss -- long illness of the breadwinner, loss
     of crops, a destructive fire. To charge interest in such a situation
     is to kick a man when he is down. To the great majority of people,
     this continued to be the perspective on interest-taking:  it was robbery;
     money was unproductive and yet one had to pay for its use."  
     [SIMPSON/YINGER, p. 295]
 
     The vast gap between Christian and Jewish moral perspectives, per materialist self-aggrandizement, is evidenced everywhere in their respective traditions. In the Christian New Testament, for instance, Jesus enjoined values of humility and modesty to his followers, teaching that "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven." [LUKE 18-25] Jewish religious tradition stands in drastic opposition. The [Talmudic] Mishnah, for instance, proclaims, "Who is rich? He who enjoys his wealth." Likewise, there is no equivilant in Jewish mainstream tradition to Christian vows of poverty and material abstinence,  [SHAPIRO, p. 12] as epitimized in recent times by Mother Teresa. As the Talmud says: "Poverty in the home is more painful than fifty lashes." [KOTKIN, p. 46]
 
      "Judaism is a this-world religion," says Joshua Halberstam, "and making money is considered a natural human endeavor. Unlike Christianity, Judaism never considered poverty a virtue; the idea that the meek shall inherit the earth is a New Testament doctrine, not a Jewish one." [HALBERSTAM, p. 25]  "Judaism does not consider poverty noble," says Maurice Lamm, "... The Jew prays for parnassah, a respectable income." [LAMM, p. 108] As famed sociologist Max Weber wrote, "Pharisaic [i.e., rabbinic] Judaism was also far from rejecting wealth or from thinking that it be dangerous, or that its unqualified enjoyment endangers salvation. Wealth was, indeed, considered prerequisite to certain priestly functions." [POLL, S., 1969, p. vii]
 
     The Jews were not forbidden in medieval Europe to become usurers. Because they refused to convert en masse to the dominant religious faith and, to Christian belief, be spiritually saved, Jews were considered outsiders. Whatever its continuously decried immoral atmosphere, usury was an economic opportunity and the Jewish community gravitated to it. In historical perspective, this niche they were afforded was a great economic privilege and a springboard for Jewish economic expansion to our own day. (In the Islamic world too, where usury was religiously prohibited to Muslims, Jews again gravitated towards that generally regarded repugnant activity).  Of course there were, religious and legal injunctions or not, small numbers of Christian usurers too. But Jews had a distinct advantage in that they could be completely open in their profit-making activities.  "The picture of the Jew," says Jacob Katz,  "waiting at home for the Gentile to come to borrow money or pay a debt is a realistic one ... [but] many Jews also had also to call at the house of the Gentile to offer their services as traders or money-lenders." [KATZ, Ex, p. 38]
 
     Christian usurers, who were despised at least as much by their co-religionists as Jews, usually had to be more discrete in their dealings. The gravity in which all usurers were violently hated by the general European population may be measured in the following passage by Jacques Le Goff:
 
         "The persecution and slaughter of Italian usurers, in particular in
         France during the late thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, were
         phenomena as frequent and widespread as pogroms against the Jews,
         with the one difference that the pogroms were prompted by religious
         motives as well as the hatred of wealthy moneylenders of a different
         faith."  [LEGOFF]                              
 
        "Italians and Hugenots," adds Alan Edelstein, "were expelled from France for economic reasons, and the same factors caused Germans in Novgorod to wall themselves for protection from Russian mobs." [EDELSTEIN, p. 23]
 
     The exploitive nature of Jewish usury invariably alienated the Christian populace. The Cortes of Portugal, for instance, complained in 1361 that Jewish usury was becoming "an unbearable yoke upon the population." [LEON, p. 165] Guido Kisch, in a probable understatement, notes that "the continual complaints against Jewish moneylenders, coming from all classes of the medieval population, particularly in the 14th and 15th centuries, necessarily made the Jew an unpopular figure." [KISCH, p. 328] Usurious Jews who did no physical labor, who were segregated in their own communities, who did not serve in the local military, and who were agents of the hated aristocracy, were commonly accused of parasitism by local non-Jewish populaces. "Jewish money lending," says Salo Baron, "[was a] lucrative business ... For the most part, the accepted rate ranged between 33 and 43 per cent, although sometimes they went up to double and treble those percentages, or more ... When the European economy entered a period of deceleration in the late thirteenth century, further aggravated by recurrent famine and pestilence, such exorbitant charges, though economically doubly justified because of the increased risks, created widespread hostility." [BARON, EHoJ, p. 45] Money lending was not usually for a borrower's business expenses or expansion, but for subsistence survival. [MACDONALD, p. 263] We are talking about desperate people who often enough stood to perish from their web of increasing debt.
 
     "It was not luxury needs," says Abram Leon, "but the direct distress which forced the peasant or the artisan to borrow from the Jewish usurer. They pawned their working tools which were often indispensable to assure their livelihood. It is easy to understand the hatred that the man of the people must have felt for the Jew in whom he saw the direct cause of his ruin ...  [LEON, p. 171] In this role as petty usurers exploiting the people, [Jews] were often victims of bloody uprisings..."  [LEON, p. 83] [uprisings that were] "first and foremost efforts to destroy the letters of credit which were in [Jewish] possession." [LEON, p. 171]
 
     In 1431, for instance, armed peasants demanded that the city of Worms surrender its Jews to them, "in view of the fact that they had ruined [the peasants] and taken away their last shirt." [LEON, p. 172]
 
     Usury was in fact considered immoral by Jews too. The great Jewish theologian, Maimonides, wrote "why is [usury] called nesek  [biting]? Because he who takes it bites his fellow, causes pain to him, and eats his flesh." [MINKIN, p. 362]  Usury was forbidden to Jews, as well as Christians, in the Old Testament. (The Islamic Quran also expressly states its prohibition of "interest.")  But there was a qualifier. Jews conjured a double moral standard; usury upon others in their own community was prohibited, but usury upon non-Jews was acceptable. The Torah states that one cannot practice usury upon a brother, but can to a stranger. [DEUTERONOMY, 23:20]  Who is a brother and who is a stranger? "Brother," in Jewish religious teachings means "Jew." "Stranger" is anyone else.
                   
     St. Ambrose (339-397), the bishop of Milan and writer whose works influenced later medieval Christian thinking, "considered lending to a stranger a legitimate hostile act against an enemy." [BARON, p. 53]  St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), a well-known Christian theologian of his time, sounded an idealized, universalized Christian ethic about the Deutoronomic double standard:
 
             "The Jews were forbidden to take usury from their brethren,
              i.e., from other Jews. By this we are given to understand
              that to take usury from another man is simply evil, because
              we ought to treat every man as our neighbor and brother..."
              [NELSON, p. 14]
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     "All Jewish converts [to Christianity] of early sixteenth century Germany," says R. Po-Chia Hsia, "attacked the practice of Jewish money lending." One convert, Johannes Pffeferkorn, argued that profits from usury was the main reason that Jews remained Jews, that they were reluctant to become Christians and do "honest work." Another, Anton Margaritha, argued that such "honest work by Jews would humble them." [HSIA, p. 172] (Conversely, in England, the Jewish "monopoly of usury brought them such wealth that some Christians undoubtedly went over to Judaism in order to participate in the Jewish monopoly in lending.") [LEON, p. 140, quoting BRENTANO]
 
          A double standard ethic was endemic to traditional Jewish teachings. The Old Testament laws were for the benefit of Jews, and it always aggravated relations with their non-Jewish neighbors.  The medieval Christian world held open doors to Jewish converts to the purported universality of their own faith, but most Jews opted for their own perception of themselves as an elite group -- God's special Chosen People -- despite the inevitable hazards that such a self-perception engendered from the surrounding non-Jewish communities. The old adage to avoid trouble, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," was studiously dismissed by Jews to the extreme. They were even permitted talmudic (religiously-founded) self-governance by Christian authorities and were only called to the greater laws of the state for extraordinary transgressions. This situation provided Jews the uninhibited capacity to act within favorable, double-standard, self-aggrandizing laws created for themselves against the wider society. As Jacob Katz notes:
 
              "The belief that Jewish law was of divine origin, whereas Gentile
              law was purely a human invention, linked any evaluation with
              with the most fundamental theological tenet of Judaism. The moral
              conduct of the Jew towards Gentiles, if it was not to be
              determined solely by expediency and prudence, could have been
              influenced only by principles derived exclusively from Jewish
              sources." [KATZ, Ex, p. 59]
 
     Israeli professor Ehud Sprinzak notes traditional Jewish perspective on the surrounding Gentile "law of the land" in Eastern Europe:
 
       "Everyone knew everybody in the [Jewish community], and there was
        no need for official code or written law. The only formal law was the
        Torah and its halakhic interpretation as understood by the local rabbi
        ... It was a basis communal conduct ... ('You help me, and I'll
        you') ... The attitude towards the formal law of the land was suspicion
        ... One has to survive it, not respect it. The art of Jewish survival within
        the ghetto included an elaborate system of using, avoiding, and
        sidestepping the [Gentile] law." [SPRINZAK, Elite, p. 178]
 
    Or, as James Yaffe puts it:
 
      "The feeling of separation ... leads to a special Orthodox morality.
      Ultimately because the moral value of every act is determined by
      halakhah, by Jewish law, they develop a rather cavalier attitude
      toward 'gentile' law. For example, a tiny minority of Hasidim [in
      America today] engage in jewelry smuggling. In the shtetl [Jewish
      Eastern European village] this was a traditional trade. Nobody looked
      upon it as a crime, because nobody recognized the existence of
      national borders; the only borders that mattered were those that
      divided the Jewish from the gentile world." [YAFFE, J., 1968, p.
      120]
 
       The combination of insular self-governance, their languages of Hebrew and/or Yiddish, and self-imposed isolation, also inferred (and was in fact understood by Jews to be) a Jewish "sub-nationality" within the broader Christian state. This too was much resented by the indigenous European populace. It was a politically volatile situation. Each faith, the majority Christian and minority Judaic, was entrenched in its respective belief system, each implicitly hostile to the other, with the only significant intercourse between them being the world of commerce, a field in which Jews were rapidly building, despite their small numbers -- through trade and the hated usury -- a profound advantage.
 
        In this context of mutual hostility, Jacob Katz paraphrases the sociologist Max Weber with regards to the Jewish community's "extreme" use of its moral double standard in its treatment of non-Jews, commercially or otherwise:
 
              "[While it is a] universal phenomena... [that] members of any
              cohesive social unit observe ... different moral standards among
              themselves from those observed by it in relation to strangers,
              [the sociologist Max Weber] was right in depicting the medieval
              Jewish community as an extreme case in point..." [KATZ p. 56]
 
     Bearing in mind that the only interaction Jews really had with Christians in this era was in the realm of commerce, this double standard -- ethically treating Jews one way, and Gentiles the other -- is again highlighted by Katz:
 
             "No moral teaching could change the realities of religious rivalry,
              social segregation, and the plurality of legal systems. All these
              must have encouraged a double standard of behavior. Those who
              were reluctant to be guided by the higher morality had the letter of
              the law on their  side." [KATZ, p. 61]
 
       For the Jewish part, Katz's referral to "the letter of the law" is their sacred Talmud, and other Jewish teachings which "are far from forming the elements of a universalistic ethic. They took social duality for granted," [KATZ, Ex, p. 63] which is a delicate way of saying that Jewish religious teachings were commonly interpreted to sanction the exploitation of non-Jews.
 
    It is hard to miss the intention of the Talmud, or misinterpret its noble meaning, or "pilpul" it into something other than what it is, when it says:
 
        "Rabbi Shemeul says advantage may be taken of the mistakes of a
        Gentile. He once bought a gold plate as a copper one of a Gentile for
        four zouzim, and then cheated him out of one zouzim in the bargain.
        Rav Cahana purchased a hundred and twenty vessels of wine from a
        Gentile for a hundred zouzim, and swindled him in the payment out of
        one of the hundred, and that while the Gentile assured him that he
        confidently trusted his honesty. Rava once went shares with a Gentile
        and bought a tree, which was cut up into logs. This done, he bade, his
        servants to go pick out the largest logs, but to be sure to take no more
        than the proper number, because the Gentile knew how many there
        were. As Rav Ashi was walking abroad one day he saw some grapes
        growing in a roadside vineyard, and sent his servant to see whom they
        belonged to. 'If they belong to a Gentile,' he said, 'bring some here to
        me, but if they belong to an Israelite, do not meddle with them.' The
        owner, who happened to be in the vineyard, overheard the Rabbi's
        order and called out, 'What? Is it lawful to rob a Gentile?' 'Oh, no,' said
        the Rabbi evasively, 'a Gentile might sell, but an Israelite would not.'"
        [HARRIS, p. 182, BAVA KAMA, Fol. 113, col. 2]
 
        This is to be found in Jewish religious texts. Likewise, this:
     
      "When an Israelite and a Gentile have a lawsuit before them, if they canst,
       acquit the former according to the laws of Israel, and tell the latter such
       is our laws; if they cannot get him off in accordance with Gentile law, do
       so, and say to the plaintiff such is your law; but if he cannot be
       acquitted according to either law, then bring forward adroit pretext and
       secure his acquittal. These are the words of Rabbi Ishmael. Rabbi
       Akiva says, 'No false pretext should be brought forward, because if
       found out, the name of God would be blasphemed, but if there be no
       fear of that, then it may be adduced.'" [HARRIS, p. 31, BAVA KAMA,
       Fol. 113 col. 1]
 
     "The economic behavior of the Jew," wrote the great sociologist Max Weber, "simply moved in the direction of the least resistance which was permitted them by [their] legalistic ethical norms. This means in practice that the acquisitive drive, which is found in varying degrees in all groups and nations, was here directed primarily to trade with strangers [i.e., non-Jews], who were usually regarded as enemies." [WEBER, p. 254]
 
     In medieval Poland, "the limitations upon non-Jews [by Jewish law and culture] were ... stringent," notes Bernard Weinryb,
 
     "Being outsiders in the Jewish community they were subject to
     all the prescriptions applying to foreigners. Thus Jewish middlemen
     and agents were forbidden to put one non-Jewish businessman in
     contact with another or to bring a non-Jewish consumer into a
     non-Jewish store. Many warnings were issued to such agents against
     showing non-Jews 'how to do business' or divulging Jewish business
     secrets to him ... Jews were forbidden to rent a room to a non-Jew ...
     Another area controlled by the Jewish community was rents and
     leaseholds. In time ... monopolistic tendencies increased among the
     Jews ... The fact remained that the monopolistic-exclusion principles
     were also an integral part of the Jewish way of life and could thus not
     be regarded as a constant anti-Semitic factor directly solely against
     themselves." [WEINRYB, p. 159]
 
      In an overview of Polish history, another Jewish scholar, Eva Hoffman, notes
 
     "that the Jews had their views of the people among whom they lived we
     we cannot doubt, but their ordinary opinions, ideas, and preconceptions
     are largely inaccessible to us, since almost no secular Jewish literature
     is extant for the early period. We do know, however, that Jews had
     their exclusionism and monopolistic practices, prohibiting rights of
     residence to outsiders in their quarters, and strictly guarded certain
     business practices and 'secrets' from non-Jews ... We can take it
     for granted, moreover, that fierce religious disapproval traveled
     both ways [between Jews and Poles] ... At the same time, unlike
     other minority groups, Jews had no wish to assimilate, to take on
     the coloring of the surrounding culture, to become like the other."
     [HOFFMAN, E., 1997, p. 45]
 
     Strict adherence to Jewish laws and values by even the most corrupt of Jewry was typical of the Jewish underclass of Europe's Middle Ages who found in their religious beliefs sanction for their predations on Gentiles. "Despite all their depravity," says Mordechai Breuer, "members of the Jewish robber bands lived as Jews and generally adhered to traditional Jewish lifestyles and customs. As a rule, they did not undertake any expedition on the Sabbath [Saturday] and kept the dietary laws." [BREUER, in MAYER, p. 249]
 
    "Jewish bandits stole almost exclusively from Christians," notes Otto Ulbrichtl, "No breaking into houses of Court Jews or representatives of the Jewish community or synagogues (in contrast to the many burglarized churches) were reported." [ULBRICHT, p. 62]  
 
     Florike Egmond's historical work about organized crime in the Netherlands (1650-1800) notes the following:
 
     "[There was] picking pockets, the theft of textiles and gold or
     silver, and church robbery with its concomitant violence against
     priests and clergy. None of these was the exclusive domain of
     Jews, who were involved in various other subcategories of theft
     and burglary as well, but in these particular offences Jews were
     especially prominent ... [EGMOND, p. 108] ... Some Jewish
     groups specialized in church robbery ... From 1680 to 1795
     the robbery of churches and priests and clergy was the nearly
     exclusive domain of Jews ... [EGMOND, p. 109] ... Jews robbed
     not only Roman Catholic priests but Protestant ones too. It
     looks rather as if most Christian thieves stayed away from all
     churches, while Jewish thieves selected churches for more
     reasons that just convenience." [EGMOND, p. 110]
 
     In pre-Holocaust Poland and Russia, notes Yiddish expert Abraham Brumberg, Jewish thieves, pimps, and prostitutes developed a rich folklore of hundreds of songs, mostly in this tenor:
 
       "I go into the street
        I open a door
        I spot a fur coat
        I invite it to go with me." [LESTER, p. 36]
 
      Such a worldview that callously preys upon surrounding Gentile society was apparently not considered to be incongruous with the fundamental tenets of Judaism. As Brumberg notes, 'Many who subscribed to these [thieving] values considered themselves God-fearing and had their own synagogues." [LESTER, p. 36]  [This we shall run across again]

     There is a tradition of Yiddish criminal songs in Eastern Europe:

     "The two large cities of Warsaw and Odessa 'boasted' of a strong Jewish
     underworld which lived by its own laws,and the songs in this category
     are varied and vivid, revealing the sentiments of the criminal world in the Pale
     (area of Czarist Russia where Jews were permitted to live). In many ways,
     these songs are similar to those of the non-Jewish world on themes that dealt
     with the life and pursuits of housebreakers, pickpocketes, hijackers,
     counterfeiters, extortionists, gangsters, pimps and even murderers. These
     are genuine folk songs, products of anonymous singers, actual persons who
     daily evaded the police, faced the hostility of the respectable community,
     quarreled and brawled among themselves, experienced the dangers and
     pleasures of their 'chosen profession.'" [RUBIN, R., 1979]

 
     In 1939 Chaim Kaplan, a German-born Jew, noted the Jewish émigrés at the Russian-Polish border where 2,000 Jews were given a monetary advance by the Soviet government for a work project in the Soviet hinterlands: "To our shame, only 800 returned to accept the work and take the journey -- the rest disappeared without a trace. They simply expressed their gratitude to the Soviet government, which had extended its protection and opened its borders to them, with trickery. There were also incidents of stealing from private people. Polish-born Jews are rather high-handed in matters of 'yours' and 'mine,' and if they don't actually steal, they 'take' ... There can be no atonement for such shameful behavior. It reflects on the character of an entire people." [KAPLAN, C., p. 90]
 
     Jews were popularly perceived in medieval (and even up to modern Europe) as either ostentatiously wealthy parvenus or predatory small time thieves, with considerable moral overlap between them. Both groups were significant players in local economies with the Jewish upper-class and underclass often linked in economic exploitation of the non-Jewish communities around them. "From Court Jews to peddler," says Jonathan Israel, "those divergent groupings penetrated and depended on each other economically, as well as in religion and commercial life. It would be idle to deny that there was exploitation as well as collaboration and interdependence, but such exploitation existed on all levels and operated in all ways." [ULBRICHT, p. 59]
 
       One of the privileges that Jews often sought and acquired from European aristocracies in the Middle Ages was the right to demand full payment from aggrieved owners when stolen objects found their way into Jewish hands for sale. This caused deep resentment amongst the Gentile population; it was often charged that this policy paved the way for lucrative Jewish "fencing" operations where stolen goods could regularly find their ways to Jewish shops and hiding spots in the their community. [BARON EHOJ, p. 42] These Jewish agents of receivership were called in Hebrew ba'al ha-davar, literally meaning 'wire pullers,' figuratively meaning "Masters of the Affair." [BREUER, p. 249]  
 
     Florike Egmond notes the same kinds of Jewish fencing operations in the eighteenth century in the Netherlands:
 
      "Two equally salient characteristics of Jewish organized crime
      [were] its near monopoly on the buying and selling of stolen goods
      and the central importance of towns to all its activities ... [EGMOND,
      p. 115] ... The near monopoly of Jews in the fencing business indirectly
      contributed to the prominence of other Jews in organized crime ...
      [EGMOND, p. 116] ... The period between about 1740 and 1765 can
      be regarded as the phase of expansion of Jewish crime. After that
      Jewish involvement in organized crime continued at a consistently high
      level." [EGMOND, p. 119]
 
     Although based in urban areas, Jewish bands were highly mobile and also preyed on those in the countryside. "Jews involved in organized crime in the Netherlands," adds Egmond, "were often active in retail trade ... Extensive travelling also meant numerous contacts with other Jewish peddler." [EGMOND, p. 123] Eventually, common self-protective interests brought some Jewish, Gypsy and Christian criminals together. Egmond notes, however, that "most Christians who joined Jewish bands, whether they acted as occasional assistants or as experienced members" were always considered "outsiders." [EGMOND, p. 145] In the case of one crime ring, the "Great Dutch Band," a band of mixed ethnicity, it was formed by Moyse Jacob "who played a central role in bringing together the various criminal circuits of the Dutch Republic within a more permanent organizational structure." [EGMOND, p. 148]  In the Great Dutch Band's first (Brabant) "branch," two-thirds of its sixty members were Jews; in its second branch (the Meerssen Band), two-thirds of its sixty members were also Jewish; and 16 of 25 people were Jewish in the Band's third expression. In the fourth, Jews were a quarter of the group. "The first [branch]," notes Egmond, "set the pattern with respect to criminal specialization, leadership, and forms of organization. All the principal commanders had been instructed (and probably selected) by Moyse Jacob himself." They were also all Jewish. [EGMOND, p. 149]

 
      In a volume about Polish peasant society, William Thomas and Florian Znaiecki note that
 
     "The Jewish shopkeeper in a [Polish] peasant village is usually also
      a liquor dealer without license, a banker lending money at usury,
      often also a receiver of stolen goods and (near the border) a
      contrabandist. The peasant needs, and fears, him, but at the same
      time despises him always and hates him often. The activities of
      those country shop keepers is the source of whatever anti-Semitism
      there is in the peasant masses. We have seen in the documents the
      methods by which the shopkeeper teaches the peasant boy smoking,
      drinking, and finally stealing; the connection established in youth
      lasts sometimes into maturity, almost every gang of peasant thieves
      or robbers centers around some Jewish receiver's place, where the
      spoils are brought and new campaigns planned. Gangs composed
      exclusively of Jews are frequent in towns, rare in the country; usually
      Jews manage only the commercial side of the questions, leaving robbing
      or transporting of contraband to peasants." [THOMAS/ZNAIECKI, p.
      1200-1201]
 
     Jewish itinerants (perhaps 10% of the Jewish population in Germany in the Middle Ages), as well as Jewish thieves, and robbers were common in European life. Evidence of Christian criminals' linkage to the Jewish economic underworld is reflected in the fact that "some 20%" of the vernacular for illicit activity in the jargon of non-Jewish criminals contained words and terms derived from Yiddish and Hebrew. [BREUER, p. 248]

       Oklahoma professor Stan Nadel notes the reason for the spreading of Yiddish criminal terms into the English language across the world:

     "It seems that [the Yiddish word] gonef (sometimes gonnoff, hence the false
      etymology) entered American and English slang via what is known as thieves' cant.
      One of the traditional occupations for Jews in Europe and America was as
      pawnbrokers. That is an occupation which ttends to bridge the border between the
      criminal and business worlds. At the margin, the line between pawnbroker
      and fence (handler of stolen goods) is often obscured and some Jews played
      and important part in the criminalized underground of large cities ... I had
      assumed [the term gonef] moved into American English from German Jewish
      immigrants in New York (like [famous Jewish criminal] Mrs. Mandelbaum)
      until I learned it was also present in 18th century London thieves' cant. Then
      I was told by a specialist on the 18th century London underworld that Jewish
      fences played a key role in linking the London underworld with markets in
      Amsterdam (he says they claimed they could fence anything, including the
      crown jewels), and that this is the source of Yiddish loan words in English
      thieves cant." [NADEL, S., 6-18-98]

 
         But, as we will increasingly find, it was not only the Jewish vagabonds, unscrupulous shopkeepers, or exploitive upper strata Court Jews who played the role of swindler with the Gentiles. No less an authority than Heinrich Graetz, one of the greatest Jewish historians whose History of the Jews was a pioneer work, had this to say, generally, about the Jews in Poland. It was a mainstream ethic
 
           "to twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever
             advocate, to play upon words, and to condemn what they did not
            know ... Such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew. ... Honesty
            and right thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness.
            He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools (of
            religious interpretations) and applied them to obtain advantage over
            any one less cunning than himself. He took a delight in cheating and
            overreaching which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own
            people he could not treat in this way: they were as knowing as he. It
            was the non-Jew, to his loss, that felt the consequences of the
            Talmudically trained mind of Polish Jew." [GRAETZ, v.10, p. 62,
            82]
 
      Israeli professor Jay Goren recalls the Jacob-Esau tradition, where Jacob, the Jewish cheater/deceiver, is heroized in Jewish tradition, noting:
 
       "As we may recall, Jacob the tent dweller, who used his head,
        outsmarted Esau, the skilled hunter, who uses his hands, and cheated
        Esau out of his inheritance, Isaac's blessing. The blessing was the
        birthright of Esau by virtue of his being the firstborn child. In Jewish
        tradition, Jacob came to symbolize the Jews and Esau the Gentiles.
        Thus, an image of contrasting roles were formed whereby the Jews
        were supposed to use their heads and the Gentiles their muscles."
        [GOREN, p. 135]
 
     The Israeli author Israel Shahak in 1994 argued that Orthodox Judaism is, in its very construct, motivated by "a combination of hypocrisy and the profit motive." Even in Israel today, secular Jews look with disdain upon the Orthodox religious community for its "duplicity and venality." "It is actually true," Shahak writes, "that the Jewish religious establishment does have a strong tendency to chicanery and graft due to the corrupting influence of the Orthodox Jewish religion." [SHAHAK, p. 48] [See Jewish drug money laundering, later chapter]
 
     The great German philosopher, Immanuel Kant, echos Graetz and Shahak in his own observations of the Jewish community:
 
          "[The Jews], living among us, or at least the greatest number of them,
           have through their usurious spirit ... received the not unfounded
           reputation as deceivers ... They do not seek civil honor, but rather
           wish to compensate their loss by profitably outwitting the very people
           among whom they find protection ... We may suppose that their
           dispersion throughout the world, with their unity in religion and
           language, must not be attributed to a curse that had been afflicted
           upon this people. On the contrary, the dispersion must be considered
           a blessing, especially since the wealth of the Jews, if we think of them
           as individuals, apparently exceeds per capita that of any other nation
           at the present time. [KANT, p. 101-102]
   
     A well-known French Jewish socialist (and later Zionist), Bernard Lazare, addressed this issue of Jewish morality in 1894:
 
     "The moral charge of the anti-Semite [is that] the Jew is more dishonest
      than the Christian; he is entirely unscrupulous, a stranger to loyalty and
      candor. Is this charge well founded? It was true and is true in all those
      countries where the Jew is kept outside of society; where he receives
      only the traditional Talmudic education.... The Talmud and anti-Judaic
      legislation [in Gentile societies] united to corrupt the Jew to his very
      depths. Impelled by his teachers on the one hand, by hostile forces on
      the other, by many social causes besides, to the exclusive occupation
      of commerce and usury, the Jew became degraded. The pursuit of
      wealth ceaselessly prosecuted, debauched him, weakened the voice of
      conscience within him, taught him habits of fraud." [LAZARE, p. 164]
 
     This ethic was of course brought by Jews, particularly from Eastern Europe, to America. As Jewish commentator James Yaffe notes: "The Lower East Side [the turn-of-the-century Jewish section of Manhattan] pushcart peddler who prided himself on his honesty wouldn't hesitate to sell damaged goods to the gentile housewife." [YAFFE, J., 1968, p. 68] Max Weber notes this quality in Jewish identity through history, referring to it as "the dualistic nature of [Judaism's] in-group and out-group moralities." [POLL, S., 1969, p. v]

    As Mary Antin, a Jewish immigrant to the United States from Russia, once observed in her autobiography, The Promised Land:

     "[Jewish merchants and money lenders] preyed upon [Christians], and our
     shopkeepers gave false measure. People who want to defend the Jews ought
     never to deny this. Yes, I say, we cheated the Gentiles whenever we dared,
     because it was the only thing to do ... Is not that the code of war? Encamped
     in the midst of the enemy, we could practice no other. A Jew could hardly
     exist in business unless he developed a dual conscience, which allowed him
     to do to the Gentile what he would call a sin against a fellow Jew." [TRAXEL,
     D., 1998, p. 29]

 
     Many modern Jewish apologists refute such exposure and criticism of traditional Jewish double standard of morality.  As we have seen, when caught in the act of deceit there are religious texts that recommend explaining it quickly somehow away. Jules Carlebach, for example, argues that a "dual morality" -- if, in his view, it ever existed -- was no big deal; he likens the Jewish medieval communities in Europe to "independent political states," saying:
 
        "If an independent political state adopted legislation which is intended
         to further the interests of its citizens, but which has no parallel
         provisions in neighboring states, then it is both logical and essential
         to create a dual system." [CARLEBACH, p. 224]
 
      Jews had always closed ranks as a completely "foreign" body in mainstream Christian society. While some Jewish religious teachings certainly supported the notion that they should live in obedience with the laws of the host country they lived in, this was largely expedient and prudent for their own survival.  Less supportive Jewish texts included prayers that anticipated  the downfall of surrounding non-Jewish society. During Arab-Christian hostilities, for instance, Jews appealed to God to drain them both in war. They had a prayer, notes Salo Baron, "composed in the geonic period which was unheard of in any other period of Jewish history in the dispersion: 'Be it Thy will, O Lord, that the Kings should wage war on one another.'" [BARON, ASOC&REL, p. 186]
 
     Jewish communities in Europe, as insular self-entities always searching for their own best interests, had been known to betray non-Jewish lands in which they lived. Both Hebrew and Yiddish were Jewish languages that were impenetrable to most non-Jews. (For centuries rabbinical dictate even forbade the teaching of Hebrew to Gentiles). These "secret" languages tended to heighten non-Jewish suspicions of them. The Muslim invasion of Christian Spain was aided by the Spanish Jewish community who expected better treatment under Islamic rule. The French city of Bordeaux was believed by some to have been betrayed by Jews in 848 to invading Normans; the same charge was made against Jews for the fall of the French town of (Visigothic) Arles to Catholics. Poles charged Jews with abetting invading Swedes in the 17th century. [HAGEN, p. 23]  In the 12th century, Byzantine Jews aided invading Turks (Constantinople was breached with help from -- and through -- the Jewish quarter); in the 17th century Spanish and Portugese Jews intrigued with the Dutch. [MACDONALD, p. 64-65] On the other hand, in the early 1800s, when Napoleon invaded the Pale of Russia, "the pattern of German-Jewish behavior during the Napoleonic invasion was largely repeated in Russia." [SACHAR, p. 79] The Jews, in other words, did nothing, laid low, and waited to see who was victorious. "With the exception of the Jewish community of Lithuania," says Howard Sachar, "the citizens of the Pale were not obliged to commit themselves until the war was won." [SACHAR, p. 79]
 
     The Italian ambassador to Poland, Eugenio Reale, in 1946 wrote an analysis of the "Jewish question" in Poland:
 
       "In effect, Polish Jews together with German Jews held a monopoly
       over all exports and imports of goods between Germany and Russia.
       Certain branches of manufacture in Poland were also under their control,
       particularly the textile industry in Lodz. It is of little wonder, then, that
       the Jews often manifested their true, undeniably existing feelings of    
       solidarity with the Prussians. In Pomerania, during the 1848
       insurrections, groups of Jews greeted the insurgents with shouts
       such as: 'We do not want Poland, we are Prussians.' Almost a half
       century later, during the Warsaw manifestations in favor of Polish
       autonomy in the Russian sphere, the Jews took a similar position against
       the demonstrators, shouting, "Why should Poland exist? Down with
       Poland! Down with the white eagle [the symbol of Poland]."
       [PIOTROWSKI, p. 46]
 
     In Morocco under French rule, notes Nahum Goldmann, "the Jews were on such poor terms with the Arabs that they were nearly all pro-French -- which brought them the hatred of those who aspired to independence." In Algeria, also bucking under French colonialism, Jews "even had automatic French citizenship, unlike the non-Jews." [GOLDMANN, N., 1978, p. 48] Even in 1996, notes the American Jewish Yearbook, "Between 800 and 900 Jews were known to be living in Bosnia-Herzegovnia ... During the [civil] war, about 300 people who before the fighting had not declared themselves as Jewish joined the Jewish community, presenting written documentation such as marriage or birth certificates. Before the war, these people had declared themselves as 'Yugoslavs.' Some of them remained in Bosnia-Herzegovinia while others went to Israel." [SINGER/SELDIN, 1997, p. 378]
 
      The Jewish Diaspora community in Europe has been formally called to task by Christian authorities a number of times in history, including two momentous occasions to find out exactly what the Jews in their midst believed and where they morally, politically, socially, and religiously stood with regards to Gentiles. One of the most important accounts of such an occasion was in France in the year 1240.  A Jewish apostate named Donin, Christianized to Nicholas de Rupella, well versed in Hebrew as a Talmudic scholar, claimed to Church officials that there were many elements in the Jewish teachings that were threatening to non-Jews. A public disputation was held between Donin and Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph of Paris and as Jeremy Cohen notes about Hebrew records of the event: "Some modern writers have labeled the Hebrew protocol [of the disputation] a prime example of literary polemic, using well-known forensic motifs to reinforce popular Jewish belief rather than actually reporting what occurred." [COHEN, J., 1982, p. 66]
 
       Jacob Katz notes the infamous line in the Talmud that came up for public examination, stating "The best among Gentiles should be slain." One can imagine that such a directive in Jewish religious texts, whatever its complex historical context as a part of intra-Jewish argument, exposed to Church leaders in Medieval society by a Jewish apostate, was not an easy one for the rabbis to explain away. Even Katz passes on its essential content, simply alluding to "whatever its meaning may be..." [KATZ, p. 108] M. K. Harris, in his book on Talmudic literature, adds an addenda to this opinion to "kill the best of the Gentiles." "Modern editions," notes Harris, "qualify this by adding 'in time of war.'" [HARRIS, p. 191]
 
         The intention of the Church inquiry was, of course, to squeeze out of Jewish religious texts the most self-condemnatory sounding material. Hence, some of what Katz calls the Talmud's apparent "picture of extreme hostility on the part of the Jews towards their Christian neighbors" seemed nothing less than indicting:
 
           'You have permitted [Jews] to shed the blood of Gentiles.' 'It is
           permitted to steal and plunder the Gentile's possessions and (it is
           allowed) to cheat him.' 'Concerning the lost property of a Gentile,
           you say that it is forbidden to return it to him.' The Gentile is
           suspected by the Jew of practicing fornication, adultery, and
           sodomy. The Jew is not allowed to make the Gentile any gift,
           nor is he even permitted to say, "How handsome this Gentile is;'
           it is permitted to you to curse and to despise idolatry'; and we
           are as despised in your eyes as locusts and flies.'" [KATZ, p. 107]
 
       The way the rabbis weaseled out of the grim possibility of extremely serious repercussions for the Jewish community was to argue that such lines -- although they truly exist in Jewish sacred texts -- applied to Gentiles of antiquity, yes, but that Christians were now an exception. This position, says Katz, was "no more than an ad hoc device to be used in the course of controversy.  There is no indication in the Talmud or in the later halakhic   sources that such a view was ever held, or even proposed, by an individual halakhist. In fact, evidence to the contrary exists." [KATZ, p. 110] Rabbis even tried to convince Christian interrogators that insults and degradations in the Talmud directed towards Jesus of Nazareth referred to a different Jesus because it was a common name! [POPPER, p. 10] As Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph said in defense of the Talmudic texts that defamed Christ, "Not every Louis born in France is the king of France. Has it not happened that two men were born in the same city, had the same name, and died in the same manner? There are many such cases." [COHEN, J., 1982, p. 70] "The Jesus of the Talmud," notes scholar Jeremy Cohen, "... is mentioned as condemned to wallow eternally in boiling excrement ... When forced to admit that one talmudic passage mentioning the crimes of Jesus and his execution did indeed apply to the Christian Jesus, Yehiel still emphasized that the Talmud was not responsible for maintaining this opinion among Jews." [COHEN, J., 1982, p. 71]
 
       The Jewish representatives also took great pains to distance themselves from traditional prayers that asked, as the apostate noted, for the end of the "unrighteous kingdom."  Did this mean the surrounding society in which the Jews currently lived? It did. This has always meant to Jews "the whole secular world and its entire political edifice" [KATZ, p. 112], but the Jewish defenders managed to convince their inquirers that the prayers alluded to the ancient powers of Biblical eras.
 
       This formal inquiry evinced a renewed suspicion by the Church towards Jews, as well as an outside steerage of the Judaic faith -- for their own safety -- towards liberalization. "The Paris disputation," says Katz, "marks a transition, from the comparative tolerance of the Catholic Church towards the Jewish faith to the harassing practice of scrutinizing and censuring Jewish customs and tenets. The same event assisted, or even compelled, the Jews to take a further step towards the idea of religious tolerance." [KATZ, p. 113]
 
      In 1806 a second group of Jewish community leaders were forced to again face a formal inquiry into their belief system by the greater society in which they lived. This convening again occurred in France, but this time it was at Napoleon's insistence. The Jewish "Assembly of Notables," and later an even more influential assemblage of Jewish leaders, the Sanhedrin, was presented with twelve written questions, upon whose answers their fate -- as a community -- was understood to rest.  With the rise of the European nation states, conflicts between them, and with continued Jewish self-conception as a kind of sub national entity, Napoleon sought to confront the affluent and powerful parts of the Jewish community as to their ultimate political loyalties and allegiances.
 
      Questions included:
 
         *  In the eyes of the Jews, are Frenchmen considered as brethren? Or are they considered strangers?
 
          *In either case, what line of conduct does their law prescribe towards Frenchmen not of their religion?
 
           * Do Jews born in France, and treated by the laws as French citizens, consider France as their country? Are they bound to defend it? Are they bound to obey the laws and to conform to the dispositions of the civil courts?
 
           * Can a Jewess marry a Christian, and a Jew a Christian woman? Or does the law allow the Jews to intermarry only among themselves?
 
           * Does Jewish law encourage Jews to practice usury among their own community?
 
      The Jewish notables replied, after extended consultations, with an affirmation of Jewish loyalty to France and the brotherhood of all French citizens, complete with careful, cautioned, diplomatic explanation for all such replies. Napoleon's emissary, Count Mole, 'was struck by what appeared to him to be evasive references: now to Moses, now to the Talmud, now to practical Jewish usage. He was particularly suspicious of the answer on usury ... [but] Napoleon ... declared himself satisfied." [SACHAR, p. 48] The Jewish answers to Napoleon -- the compromises of both orthodox and secularly assimilated Jewish leaders -- are, in retrospect, considered also by historians to have been largely evasive. The gulf between those who represented traditional Jewish teachings and the growing numbers of secularized Jews was great, but both -- traditional and assimilative -- HAD to figure out ways to give Napoleon the answers he wanted. This gulf is reflected in Jacob Katz's view that
 
                "Even learned Jews sincerely maintained that Judaism had
                always taught universalistic ethics only. When the 'scientific'
                anti-Semites of the 1880's discovered and published the
                extracts from ancient Jewish authorities on which earlier anti-
                Semitism had been based, the general Jewish public was not
                only outraged but genuinely astonished ... Jewish leaders and
                scholars reconciled the contemporary views with the ancient
                authorities by resorting to apologetics." [KATZ, p. 196]
 
     Robert Goldenberg notes the long tradition of Jewish evasiveness when it comes to explaining the Talmud to non-Jews:
 
     "[In the Middle Ages] Christians too studied the Talmud -- often with
     the help of apostate Jews -- and would then quote rabbinic authority
     in support of their own claims. Jews thus had to develop a double
     attitude toward the nonlegal aspect of the Talmud: when it was useful
     to them they cited it to refute the Christians' claims, but when it
     weakened their position they felt free to repudiate it." [GOLDENBERG,
     R., 1984, p. 164-165]
 
     In our day, Jewish apologists, propagandists, and populists continue to proliferate, reaching back into rabbinical law to recreate a romantic vision of the historical record of Jewish morality towards others. "The fact that the Jews in general," proclaims Nachum Gidal, in a polemic against Christianity, "were very ethical in their religion, family, and daily life was of little significance for the Christian community." [GIDAL, p. 12] "At all times and in all places," claims Meir Tamari, both a Talmudic scholar and the chief economist of the Bank of Israel, "Jews were encouraged, especially in the economic field, to go beyond the letter of the law and to that which was more merciful than required, even though the rabbinical authorities could not naturally enforce such kindness." [TAMARI, p.]
 
     Or, as Jacob Neusner rhapsodizes:
 
     "It is ethical for a Jew to guide the frail old lady across a busy street,
     it is also ethical for a Boy Scout to do so. And so being Jewish and
     being a Boy Scout functionally are pretty much the same thing."
     [NEUSNER, J., 1972, p. 75]

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Off the deep end.  You are, literally, an idiot.  

So what's the plan then?  Any and all Jews are a suspected criminals?  Jesus H. Christ.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

Sounds like the truth is making the Jews expose themselves in here. Hit a hot button did I?

I'm not a Jew.  You didn't hit a hot button, you're just unintelligent, and it hurts to see that.

[Anonymous]

Unintelligent? Well that is the first  heard an ignorant statement like that being made about me.

[Ralph Furely]

explain yourself "aquarian 1".  ive seen many a post made by you that would make me call you an idiot.  in fact i already did.  i remember you talking shit when you 1st came around here about WW2, spouting the same bullshit i see in the mainstream.  the same misconceived jewish propaganda bullshit were all taught in school.  but what, now that youve been around here for about 3 months or so, you know whats up all the sudden? you had lots of other fucking retarded shit to say as well, in that same thread i do believe.  and i also believe Sullivan came in and handed your ass to you.  so why are you in here calling someone else an idiot after he made a post?  whats the problem with it?  what dont you agree upon?  you think you know the truth?  so much so that u can come in here and just talk shit with no back up?

give us the knowledge you possess, oh aquarian 1.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

First, what bullshit did I spout that's mainstream?  That's number one.

Second, what's the Jewish Propaganda Bullshit you were taught in school?  How do my views correlate to that?

Third, I've been around here for three months or so keeping to myself.  I don't like associating with people that generalize based on race and religion.  Nor do most people in the world.  I think you will find that the views being espoused from Prothink's "Jewish Question" on this forum "The Information Underground," will remain UNDERGROUND.

Do I have to back up the claim that "Not All Jews Are Criminals" with quotes from books?  I certainly hope not.  I think someone who would ask me to do such a thing is an IDIOT.  And further, I think someone who would make the claim that "All Jews Are Criminals," which is essentially what Prothink is espousing, is an IDIOT.  What the term "idiot" means, in this particular context, is someone who has the necessary knowledge at hand but draws conclusions that are incorrect.  That's an idiot.  Most people can do research, it takes intelligence to process that research into a workable world view.

Why are "All Jews Not Criminals?"  For one thing, what is a Jew?  Is that a race?  Is that a religion?  Is that a culture?  What are we talking about?  That's like saying all Christians are criminals cause George Bush says he's a Christian.  Fucking bullshit, you're an idiot.  And I will use AD HOMINEM when it is appropriate.  I'm not trying to flame anyone, I truly think MIKE DELANEY IS AN IDIOT.

The blood that runs through your veins does not determine your guilt or innocence.  Nor does your religion, or the culture the you were raised in, or the beliefs you hold, or your favorite fucking color.  You want to find the guilty?  You want to be a courageous lion of god?  STOP BEING LAZY.  Most of the criminals we are discussing, the people behind September 11th, are indeed Ashkenazi Zionists or minions thereof.  However, that doesn't mean every Ashkenazi in the world is guilty of that cults' actions.

Isn't this common sense?  Didn't we learn this in kindergarten?  Or was that part of the Misconceived Jewish Propaganda Bullshit?

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Also, stop using the word GOYIM when referring to people who are not Jewish.  

Non-Jews are not cattle.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[Ytene]

Mike Delaney's challenge to take up the Jewish Question with zeal is the mark of integrity and courage.  And everyone who learns about the covert government of the world - its nation, religion, political agenda, aggression starts here if they have integrity, a clear mind and courage.  They are not going to be deterred  by non-sense labels like 'anti-semitism' , the hue and cry that "all Jews" are not like that, etc. And I am sure there are many Jews who are not in Jewry.  Yet still they are the only group that takes offense if an outsider even reports (with evidence and witness) that the Bolshevik Commissars were Jews or that the Armenian Genocide was conducted by Jews calling themselves 'Young Turks.'  They take immediate offense.  Whereas the whole world is critical of  American crimes and atrocities and ordinary Americans do not necessarily regard this as offensive - many would agree and look into it.

That said, the immediate response of the clear head and courageous heart, may not be the best strategy.  This is because, this strategy immediately plays into the hands of the secret gov't and its agents.  For example:

In "Proud to Be Hated"  - "in the mid-19th century Rabbi (Samson Raphael) Hirsch the leader of Germany's Orthodox Jews wrote: " anti-semitism is the tool through which the G d of Israel preserves his people."

"The Paradox of Anti-Semitism" - Avi Becker, former secretary general of the World Jewish Congress Ha' aretz June 3, 2004.

This is virtually verbatim from The Protocols of Zion: "Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us, it is only PRO FORMA at our discretion and by our direction, for their anti-semitism is indispensible to us for the management of our lesser brethern. 9.2

I think the best strategy is to ignore the 'Jewish Question' and to focus intensely on the Jewish agenda, strategy and discussion of 'the Goyim Question.'  About which there is no shortage of documented and referenced information from their own sources. For the nations and peoples who have our own identity to be intensely focused on the Jewish treatment of 'the Goyim Question' - our racial inferiority, our status under the Talmud (slaves), our planned elimination, etc - not only will this strategy not play into the anti-semitic dialectic, it will educate everyone about an subject essential to their very survival. It will allow Jews who are not in Jewry to disassociate and it will allow diverse ethnicities and populations to come to one mind about the common threat and what to do.  Becasue if you know what is going down - the path of survival does appear in all of its clarity.  There is no need to justify it. The only real question becomes strategies and implementation - and this is not really public domain.

Michael Hoffman of Revisionist History (http://www.revisionisthistory.org) has posted a series of slide shows on You Tube.  The above quote from Avi Becker was from No. 7.  Judaism a Slide Show.  Videos 1-8 sets out why Judaism / Pharaiseeism is a corruption of the Biblical religion of the O.T.  Videos 8-12 explores its racial supremacism and its links to the Babylonian and Egyptian religions - worship of god kings, mage-craft, sacrifice, the grossest superstition and paganism. This is essential background to 'the Goyim Question'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V+MWg2KiEbQI.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Mike Delaney's challenge to take up the Jewish Question with zeal is the mark of integrity and courage.  And everyone who learns about the covert government of the world - its nation, religion, political agenda, aggression starts here if they have integrity, a clear mind and courage.  They are not going to be deterred  by non-sense labels like 'anti-semitism' , the hue and cry that "all Jews" are not like that, etc.

The term anti-semitism doesn't bother me.  For anyone who understands the term it has no power.  However, it does have power in the mainstream.  It would be wise to define that term for people, otherwise the message will be lost in the same way people are able to put the truth behind September 11th under the blanket of the term "conspiracy theory."  The "hue and cry" of "not all Jews are like that" is not the same as anti-semitism and I hope you have the intellectual capacity to differentiate between the two "cries," for the latter is not a "non-sense" label.  If you would like to discuss this further, please re-read my previous post above, and then proceed.

And I am sure there are many Jews who are not in Jewry.  Yet still they are the only group that takes offense if an outsider even reports (with evidence and witness) that the Bolshevik Commissars were Jews or that the Armenian Genocide was conducted by Jews calling themselves 'Young Turks.'  They take immediate offense.  Whereas the whole world is critical of  American crimes and atrocities and ordinary Americans do not necessarily regard this as offensive - many would agree and look into it.

This is a generalization and an opinion that is not wholly true for all Jews.  Jews who would take offense to a historical fact have mind prison hangups that need to be disrupted and you would be right to consider them in the wrong.

I would imagine however, if you came to a Jew and said "the Jews were responsible for the Armenian Genocide" they would take offense.  Why?  Because you are including them as a guilty party in this tragedy, which is not justified by you, nor is it verified by any documentation you can bring forward.  There are PLENTY of people, Jewish or not, that would find the information you are discussing above compelling and would indeed agree and look into it, if you presented it logically, and without bias toward one group of people.

Also, the Jews are not the only group that takes offense when you call them out on historical mistakes.  The Chinese will literally kill you.  And Americans will scream and yell in your face.

I think it's best to focus on the Zionist World Government agenda, which is not exclusively Jewish.  There is no reason to say All Jews, ever.

How about this.  Anyone who wants to take this challenge, prove to this board that "All Jews Are Criminals."

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[joeblow]

Well, since I'm not one to shy away from a challenge, allow me to take and pick up the gauntlet.

Yes, all Jews are Criminals. A Jew being defined as one follows that shit-stained book the Talmud, identifies himself with shitty Talmudic culture, or comes from a family where satanic Talmudism was preformed.

Now you may say "but there are Jews who are against the NWO", how can one reply to this? Thusly, if they denounce the Talmud, then yes they are good, because they are no longer considered Jews by Talmudists.

Yours,

Joe Blow

[Ralph Furely]

I think it's best to focus on the Zionist World Government agenda, which is not exclusively Jewish. There is no reason to say All Jews, ever.

so what about all the shit thats taken place over the centuries well before zionism came around?  what about the 'jews' being kicked out of how many countries?  over the centuries.  non of them were 'zionists', they were jews, right?  so what now.  
this is the problem with this whole lets just call them zionists and not jews thing.  zionism is new.  its only been around for a hundred years.  what about the hundreds and hundreds of yrs before that, when there was no zionism.  yet this group was still fucking around.  

i know it feels good for you, you feel like your the bigger man cuz your not saying jews, your saying zionists, but this shit just isnt cutting it anymore.  this problem goes back centuries.  this is not a 'zionist' problem, as much as you wanna tell yourself it is, it goes a lot deeper than zionism.  

so now what, oh aquarius one.

[Ytene]

Well, it looks like ProThink did hit the pil-pul button - the Aquarian 1.

I have read your previous post.  I think you are raising 'the hue and the cry' .  And yes, I would agree with you 'not all Jews are like that.'  I repeat again - it is recognized here that not all Jews are in Jewry.  Obviously, ProThink's comments regarding the Observant - whether Zionist or Anti-Zionist - relates to Jews who are in Jewry.

You are here arguing for a position on behalf of Jews not in Jewry - as persons who probably may be a lot better than the principles of Judaism as set out in Talmud.  If this position were logically extended to all speech about group behaviour (let us say for the sake of argument - bad behaviour), then it would effectually censor all speech about the bad behaviour of any group X because not all members of group X are like that.  So if we were extending your censorship to the group designated America, we would not be able to say that America is attempting to make war on Iran because - hey, not all Americans want to make war on Iran.  And I am sure the number of Americans who are not wanting to go to war with Iran increases daily.  This does not change the truth of the general observation, which should be discussed.

I do not complicate my speech with this kind of pil pul, Aquarian 1.  This is a forum.  Here it is appropriate to critically examine, document  and discuss the Jewish treatment of the 'Question of the Goyim', draw the arrow across to the events that are unfolding across the board and draw the conclusions that must be drawn if America is to be reclaimed for Americans.

Attempting to tie up this type of discussion in  pil pul and nanny rules and casuistic objections will not work here. This is as much of a non-sense as the law in Germany which provides that Jews who call themselves Jews (for crying out loud) must be addressed by others (i.e. Goyim) as Jewish persons.  You can't say: Thanks be to G_d.  Joe Schmo Jew saved the world with his brilliant, altruistic and practical invention.  You have to say Thanks be to G_d, Joe Schmo a Jewish person saved the world with his brilliant, altruistic and practical invention.  And next year, if the Jewish person is also even a cousin of a holocaust survivor, this title will have to be added to the designated.  Let the rabbis argue about whether a second cousin one removed on his father's side should be so designated.

Increasingly, this is how the Goyim must address the divine gods on this planet and frankly I don't see TIU buying it.  And I also think that the diverse peoples and nationalities designated by the racially supremacist hate term 'Goyim' should make free use of that term in reference to the Jewish treatment of the Goyim Question.

I guess that about covers it for now.

[blueocean]

Pretty brilliant blowman!        

These Tal mudic jews have no problem killing/sacrificing their fellow jews because THEY don't consider these fellow non-talmudic jews jews............

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

They feel that the anti-Zionist rabbis, or left wing Jews are 'good' because they oppose 'Zionism'. They are fundamentally mistaken. The anti-Zionist rabbis oppose Zionism solely for religious reason (they feel the time has not yet come to return to Israel)

Why are you making that assessment?  What do the Rabbis believe will happen when the Messiah returns?

These rabbis live for the words of their Torah and, Talmud, not for Gentile interest.

Who says? You?

Who are the Gentiles?

That the Jew is always more loyal to Jewish interest over the Host Nation's, that they are Jewish first, then a citizen.

This is probably true for many Jews today and throughout history, however, this is not true for many as well.  Does this make them all evil?  Do they all agree with funding both sides of wars?  Are they even aware that usury is going on?  Have they ever read the Talmud?  What life experience do you have with Jews to make these kind of broad generalizations?

Group evolution behavior,That through the course of time, the Jewish tribe has adapted certain traits, and that these traits have been passed along genetically.

Cosmic visions, That the Jews have had a different mindset from the Gentile, thus will always have an Alien like thought process to us.

Us?  Who is us?  You and your circle jerk friends?  This is just laughable.  This is my main problem with your brain.  You think you are better than Jews.  Why?  CAUSE YOU'RE LAZY.  You don't have the gumption to actually name names.  Name these people.  Call a spade a spade, as you like to put it.  For one thing, I'm not even sure you know the answer to this:

WHAT IS A JEW?

I just realized...that I do not want to be talking on this forum, about this, with you.  I think it's dirt.  There is a problem.  It's worldwide and it's fucking scary.  People are being killed daily because of it, we are being led to a very dark place and something needs to be done about it before it's too late.  I feel that what you are doing is ENTIRELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to this effort.  You are helping the people that are responsible for 9/11.  You are helping the people that funded Adolf Hitler and created Israel.  You are making it difficult for people to get passed "The Jews," in the same way Alex Jones makes it difficult to get passed "The Illuminati."

YOU HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT.

Making videos where you step into frame, smell a flower, and turn to camera, doesn't help much either.  Especially when you purport to fight propaganda.  Not only that, it's embarrassing to watch.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[sullivan]

This is as much of a non-sense as the law in Germany which provides that Jews who call themselves Jews (for crying out loud) must be addressed by others (i.e. Goyim) as Jewish persons.  You can't say: Thanks be to G_d.  Joe Schmo Jew saved the world with his brilliant, altruistic and practical invention.  You have to say Thanks be to G_d, Joe Schmo a Jewish person saved the world with his brilliant, altruistic and practical invention.  And next year, if the Jewish person is also even a cousin of a holocaust survivor, this title will have to be added to the designated.  Let the rabbis argue about whether a second cousin one removed on his father's side should be so designated.

What laws are these? Can you provide some references?  
(not that I am doubting you or anything like that, I'm just interested!)

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

The Jewish Question

At the root of our beliefs is the Jewish Question. Nobody can be considered "awake" , or "ally" if they do not understand the Jewish Question.

You want to know the root of the problem?

MONEY...PERIOD.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[LatinAmericanview]

Aquarian your opinions are worthless. You bring nothing to the discussion.  You should be banned just for being intellectually weak. Run along little boy.  Men are trying to work.  

Prothink I am impressed by your position this matter.  I would think your analysis is is thought provoking.