Turkey shoots down Russian Su-24, two versions

[Michael K.]

The alleged violation of the Turkish airspace by the Russian warplane, according to Turkish authorities.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/turkey-shoots-warplane-syria-border-151124081519290.html

Russian warplane shot down near Turkey-Syria border

Warplane crashes in village in Latakia province in Syria and two pilots seen ejecting from the aircraft.
24 Nov 2015 12:17 GMT

Turkey says it has shot down a Russian-made warplane on the Syrian border for violating Turkish airspace.

Two Turkish officials told Al Jazeera the plane was shot down on Tuesday by the Turkish military according to the rules of engagement.

Reports said the plane crashed in Syrian territory in Latakia's Yamadi village.

A Turkish military statement said the plane violated Turkish airspace in Hatay province and was warned "10 times in five minutes".

"Our two F-16 planes on air patrol duty intervened in the plane in question on November 24, 2015, 9:24am, according to the rules of engagement," the statement said.

Rebel forces have told Al Jazeera that bodies of both pilots have been recovered. It is also reported that Russian helicopters were searching for the pilots close to the Turkish-Syrian border.

The Turkish president's office identified the warplane as Russian-made and said it was warned before being shot down, according to the semi-official Anadolu agency.

The Russian defence ministry acknowledged that an Su-24 fighter jet crashed in Syria as a result of fire from the ground.

The ministry was quoted by TASS Russian News Agency as saying: "A probe is in progress into the circumstances of the Russian plane crash."

It said the plane had stayed within Syrian airspace and that "objective monitoring data confirm this".

President Vladimir Putin's spokesman called the downing of the warplane a "very serious incident", but said it was too early to draw conclusions.

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahelbarra, reporting from Gaziantep, said the fighter jet was shot down near the mountains of Antakya.

"What we know so far is that a plane was shot down on Syria's border with Turkey, near the mountains of Antakya, which is a scene of a lot of violence of late.

"Witnesses saw two pilots ejecting from the plane."

Turkey's Dogan news agency said witnesses reported that the warplane crashed over tents built in Yamadi village and that the pilots bailed out with the help of parachutes

Ahmed Davutoglu, Turkey's prime minister, has ordered the foreign ministry to consult NATO, the UN and related countries on the developments, his office said in a statement on Tuesday.
Last month, Davutoglu said Russia had described its warplane's violation of Turkey's airspace as a "mistake".

A Russian aircraft had entered Turkish airspace near the Syrian border, prompting Turkey to scramble two F-16 jets to intercept it and summon Russia's ambassador in protest.

"The Turkish armed forces are clearly instructed. Even if it is a flying bird it will be intercepted," Davutoglu had said.

He warned Turkey's enemies and allies not to infringe on its airspace but he dismissed the notion of tensions with Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/

Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down over Syria - Russian MoD (VIDEO)



Published time: 24 Nov, 2015 07:43
Edited time: 24 Nov, 2015 10:47


© Dmitriy Vinogradov / Sputnik

A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn't violated Turkish airspace and was flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.

"During the flight, the aircraft was flying within the borders of Syria, which was registered by objective monitoring data," the ministry said, adding that the aircraft was "supposedly shot down from the ground."

#SYRIA Russian aircraft Su-24 crashed in Syria. According to the preliminary data, the pilots managed to eject from the warplane

— Минобороны России (@mod_russia) November 24, 2015
The pilots managed to eject, the ministry said, adding their fate is as yet unknown.

The downing of the Russian plane is "a very serious incident," said Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov. He added, however, that it is too early to draw conclusions until the whole situation is clear.

Footage has emerged online, allegedly showing Russian pilots from the downed jet immobile on the ground and surrounded by locals. Some reports claim that one pilot is dead.

#SONDAKİKA! SURİYE SINIRINDA UÇAK DÜŞTÜ BÖLDEGEKİ KAYNAKLAR: SINIR İHLALİ YAPAN UÇAĞI TÜRK JETLERİ DÜŞÜRDÜ pic.twitter.com/G4brsWSY1P

— Habertürk TV (@HaberturkTV) November 24, 2015
Reports of a downed plane emerged earlier in Turkish media. A Habertürk TV reporter on the scene said the aircraft "turned into a fireball." Numerous witnesses wrote on social media, saying thick plumes of smoke have been rising from the jet crash site.

#SONDAKİKA! Türkmen Dağı'nın yakınına savaş uçağı düştü... Uçağın düşme anını Habertürk TV ekibi görüntüledi https://t.co/PCUK9Z6RTA

— Habertürk TV (@HaberturkTV) November 24, 2015
Turkish military added the plane had been warned at least 10 times over a period of five minutes before being shot down by two Turkish F-16 fighter jets. He said the plane had violated Turkish airspace.

Düşen uçağın pilotları paraşütle böyle atladı https://t.co/SKKeP4vG13pic.twitter.com/3nOmKbuwlH

— NTV (@ntv) November 24, 2015
Suriye sınırında savaş uçağı düştü. Düşen uçağın pilotları paraşütle atladı https://t.co/qx2a08ku1ppic.twitter.com/7xG9NkMWwO

— ANADOLU AJANSI (@anadoluajansi) November 24, 2015
The plane reportedly crashed in a village mostly populated by Syrian Turkmen. The place has been a hotspot between the opposition and the Syrian Army.

READ MORE: Russian jet was avoiding air defense system when it entered Turkish airspace in October - Air Force

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has met with officials from the Foreign Ministry. He instructed them to consult with NATO and the UN on the latest developments on the Syrian border, Davutoglu's office said in a statement.

READ MORE: Turkey says 'no tension' after Russian airspace violation mistake, NATO cries foul.

[rmstock]

False Flag consultants and correspondents are working overtime .. but it's a IS thing again :



and now confirmed by Dutch Telegraaf :

[Michael K.]

Looks like the UN Resolution 2249 is going to have a rough start, with multiple antagonistic militaries claiming the same airspace and no central coordinator.  Frankly, I don't see how anyone thinks this is going to make the region and world more secure.

[MikeWB]

World War 3 coming?  Russians will want revenge.

[MikeWB]

Putin is pissed...



Putin: Russia will not tolerate such crimes as attack against its Sukhoi-24 plane


SOCHI, November 24. /TASS/. Russia will not tolerate crimes like the attack on the Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down by the Turkish Air Force in Syrian skies, President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday at a meeting with King of Jordan Abdullah II.

"I understand each country has its own regional interests, and we have always respected that. But we shall never tolerate crimes like today's one," the president said.

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The Russian leader stressed that the downed fighter-bomber was posing no threat to Turkey.

"Our pilots and jet posed no threat to the Turkish Republic. This is obvious. They were conducting an operation against ISIL," Putin said.

He stressed the plane was flying above northern Lattakia where militants coming from Russia are concentrated.

"The Russian bomber was shot down over Syria by an air-to-air surface fired from a Turkish F-16 plane when the bomber was at an altitude of 6,000 meters at a distance of 1 km from the Turkish bomber." Putin said.

"They [the pilots] were fulfilling their task," the president stressed adding that they were delivering preventive air strikes on terrorists who can come back to Russia at any moment.

Putin called the attack a crime and stressed that Russia would not tolerate it. According to the president, the Su-24 plane crash in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is "a stab in Russia's back delivered by terrorist accomplices."

"Today's loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can't characterize otherwise what has happened today," the Russian leader said.

According to the president, Russia has long been aware of oil supplies to Turkey from Syria's territories seized by terrorists, which provided tangible financial support for the extremists.

"We've long exposed heavy trafficking of oil and petroleum products from Islamic State-seized territories," Putin said, adding that monetary support for the militant groups was large, indeed.

"Now we've suffered stabs in the back: attacks against our planes that fight with terrorism," Putin said. He pointed out that Turkey attacked Russia's Sukhoi-24 although "we have signed agreements with the American partners on the prevention of incidents in the air, and Turkey, as is known, is among the countries that have declared they are ostensibly fighting against terrorism within the US-led coalition.".

Putin noted that Turkey's contacts with NATO member states after the attack against the Russian aircraft look like an attempt to make the alliance serve terrorists.

The Russian leader said that instead of immediately establishing contacts with Russia after the bomber incident, "the Turkish side applied to its NATO partners to discuss this issue, as far as we know."

"It seems as if we have shot down a Turkish plane and not vice versa," the Russian president said.

"So, does this mean that they want NATO to serve the Islamic State?" Putin noted.

The president said the attack on the Russian jet will have tragic consequences to Russia-Turkey ties.

"We will certainly carefully analyse what has happened and today's tragic event will have serious consequences to Russian-Turkish relations," he said. According to Putin, Russia has always treated Turkey not simply as a close neighbour, but as a friendly state.

"I have no idea who needed what has happened today, but in any case it's not us," the Russian president said.

He expressed hope "the international community will find the forces to unite in the face of this common evil (terrorism)."

Turkey's military attache in Russia has been summoned to the Russian Defense Ministry.

[MikeWB]

Turkey has been pissed that Russians have been destroying their ISIS buddies... I wonder who gave the green light to this.

[rmstock]

[yankeedoodle]

Shit hitting fan in Ankara. 

Fears of multiple explosions in Ankara, police on alert, reports of injuries & panic
https://www.rt.com/news/323428-miltiple-explosions-ankara-police/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Multiple explosions have been heard in Turkish capital Ankara, causing panic and prompting police to investigate the matter. It has been revealed that a gas explosion took place at the city's Ozpetek Industrial Complex, the local media reported.

According to the governor's office, 5 people were injured as result of the incident, which occurred at 12:20pm local time, T24 reports.

Earlier reports said the sound of the explosions was heard all across the city, causing fears of a terror attack and leading to panic among the population.

Police were deployed throughout the city in order to locate the source of the sound, with firefighters and medical crews sent to Ankara's most populous areas.

[rmstock]

saw this one inside a German article :


Der russische Präsident Wladimir Putin könnte aufdecken, welches Verhältnis Erdogan zu den Terroristen des IS hat. (Foto: dpa)
The Russian President Vladimir Putin could reveal which relationship Erdogan has with the Terrorists of IS. (Foto: dpa)
Die Komplizen sind nervös: Nato fürchtet Putins klare Linie gegen den Terror
The Accomplices are nervous : NATO fears Putin clear line against the terror
Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten  |  Veröffentlicht: 25.11.15 00:27 Uhr | 49 Kommentare
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/11/25/die-komplizen-sind-nervoes-nato-fuerchtet-putins-klare-linie-gegen-den-terror/

(rough translation from German with aid from google translates) :
"NATO is extremely nervous, because she notices: In the case of a
   Russian victory in Syria, the truth about the relationship of the
   NATO-member Turkey comes to Islamist terror (IS) to light. If the
   refugees can return, Erdogan lacks suddenly bargaining chip for his
   extortion. It is clear who in this conflict has an interest in an
   escalation.
   
   The reactions of the Western alliance on the shooting down of a Russian
   bomber show that NATO is very nervous. She is on the verge of losing
   control of Russia in Syria. The Turkish ride, which has been planned
   with great probability that the secret services, bears the character of
   a helpless symbolic act as a thoughtful commando operation. The Russian
   Ambassador to NATO, Alexander Grushko, called the statement a shadow
   play.
   
   The reason for seeking NATO after a shady hideaway lies in Putin's
   statement that those who shot down the Russian aircraft, accomplices of
   the terrorists. Turkey is a NATO country: For the first time, the
   Alliance sees exposed to the official accusation of terrorism. Until
   now, NATO has only other provided with the label. But the nervousness
   has tangible military reasons.
   
   NATO and the intelligence swim in Syria which the skins: US President
   Barack Obama runs for months for a different policy stance than would
   NATO and the services want to see. Obama wants to get out of the Syria
   war. He admits that the mission has failed - and at least severely
   damaged her the model of "regime change". Obama has agreed with Russian
   President Vladimir Putin that the Russians do not assume the subject
   IS. This was a devastating humiliation for the neocons, NATO and the
   services.
   
   After that Russia has begun to fight terrorists, with whom the US
   military have allied. Putin has faced from the outset against the
   wishes of the western military to cover their machinations in Syria.
   Now, the IS and the military advisers of Turkey and the Pentagon just
   before the defeat in Syria.
   
   This also knows US President Obama. His message to Putin is therefore
   strikingly diplomatically: In a "change of strategy" Moscow there was
   "great potential" for cooperation, President Barack Obama said after
   meeting with French President Francois Hollande at the White House.
   "Russia is welcome to be part of our broad coalition." It's Obama's
   half-hearted attempt of NATO to give the feeling that they could bring
   Russia under control.
   
   But why should Russia just now changing its strategy? The Russians have
   repeatedly said that they only militarily involved in Syria, because
   NATO has failed. This is credible because the Russians know that a
   fight against terrorist nests is anything but easy. In order not to end
   up like the Americans in no man's land, the Russians have skillful
   alliances with Iran, Iraq and China are closed and have even included
   Israel in the flow of information.
   
   The military successes of the past few weeks, bringing the mercenary
   troops of the West in serious distress. The addition Obama to his
   invitation to the Russians is the real reason why NATO is so nervous.
   Obama said, in front of a close military cooperation but Moscow should
   focus in air strikes in Syria on the IS rather than the moderate rebels
   as a target and support political change in Damascus.
   
   The change in Damascus supported Russia for weeks: Moscow has
   repeatedly told not to insist on Assad as president in perpetuity. The
   Russians say but that there must be a decision of the Syrian people.
   This position is shared by Iran. Russia has also submitted a transition
   plan, as in Syria within 18 months a new constitution can be designed
   and can be held new elections. If anybody needs to make a strategic
   change, it's the Western alliance, which has presented policy except
   the battle cry "Assad must go!" No concept.
   
   But the main concern of NATO and Turkey in particular is the risk that
   a Russian victory could disclose the machinations, as the West and
   especially the Turkish government with terrorists cooperate in the
   region. It will then show the refugee debate in a different light,
   namely, when it becomes clear how the Turkish President Recep Tayyip
   Erdogan has abused the refugees as pawns in a cynical way of his
   ambitions. It will also show that the war against the PKK, Erdogan is a
   completely disproportionate war, in which the civilian population of
   Kurds were brutally attacked. It will also recognize that the West as
   the only allies in the region has two Islamist governments with this
   Turkish Government and with Saudi Arabia.
   
   Yet Erdogan can blackmail the totally incompetent EU and a total
   overstrained German chancellor - by demanding billions of protection
   money for the refugees. But if the Russians really succeed in bringing
   peace to Syria - and in a way that a majority of the refugees can
   return to their homeland - then Erdogan has suddenly bad cards. Turkey
   under Erdogan is of course totally unsuitable to be included in the EU.
   Everyone in Brussels knows this as well. The visa-free travel is a grotesque
   idea: new incidents are known daily like with fake Turkish passport
   business is done - and especially in Turkey. Stay three billion euros,
   the Erdogan calls by European taxpayers for the refugees. What would
   happen with the money? Integration of refugees in Turkey? Better
   accommodation in the camps? No corruption, full transparency?
   
   All these prospects justify from the viewpoint of the Erdogan
   government and the intelligence agencies to launch a Russian fighter
   jets. You need an escalation, because they have their backs to the
   wall. That makes this conflict even Erdogan to actually unpredictable.
   He has a lot to lose.
   
   The dpa notice to NATO statement on the launch we have published
   documentation of reasons. It proves that military units were not
   invented to think."

[yankeedoodle]

Downed Su-24's black box to reveal truth about Turkey's treacherous strike – Putin
https://www.rt.com/news/325158-su24-black-box-truth-turkey/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

The flight recorder of the Russian Su-24 recently downed by Turkey in Syria has been recovered and presented to President Putin, who said it must be opened in the presence of international experts to reveal truth about the treacherous "stab in the back."

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu provided Russian President Vladimir Putin with the recovered flight recorder on Tuesday during their meeting in Moscow. Shoigu said that Russia has been actively conducting operations on Syrian territory, where the Russian Su-24 pilot was "gunned down" by Turkmen militants after he had ejected from the plane.

"As a result of this work, these territories were liberated by the special operations forces and the Syrian army's special force tasked with the crew search. Surveying the area, the Syrian military found the plane's crash site," he said.

The militants, who "actively" fled the area, had no chance to dismantle anything which was among the debris from the plane, the minister added.

The Russian leader emphasized that the parametric flight recorder should be opened and decoded only in the presence of international experts who are genuinely interested in finding out the truth about the incident.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt... in any case, we should invite everyone who wants to participate in this work."

"But whatever we might learn will not change our attitude towards the deed by the Turkish authorities. We have considered Turkey not only a friendly country, but also as an ally in fight against terror, and no one expected such a despicable, treacherous stab in the back," Putin added.

On November 24 a Turkish F-16 fighter jet launched a missile at a Russian bomber returning from an anti-ISIS mission in Syrian airspace along the Turkish border, according to Moscow. Turkey has been insisting that it downed the Russian Su-24 because the jet had violated its airspace for "17 seconds."