God's Divorce From Israel

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In this message, Pastor Chuck Baldwin introduces the doctrinal truth of God's divorce from Old Testament Israel. The LORD has taken a new bride, the Church, which is comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. We are all one body in Christ.

He shows how the Church, the bride of Christ, is repeating the iniquity of Old Testament Israel by committing idolatry--which in the Bible is spiritual adultery. Millions of evangelical Christians have made idols out of both Donald Trump and the modern Zionist State of Israel.

It didn't end well for Old Testament Israel when they committed spiritual adultery with idols, and it won't end well for evangelicals either.

calm

#1
Christians, or those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, would believe that the Old Testament was "Wiped Away" and made "Obsolete" with the introduction of the "New Testament".

Jewish Religion is all and only about the Old Testament. Many Jews find the New Testament to be an insult to them. I suppose we can easily reason that we should not be surprised with the Jewish Folks being upset with the New Testament because it claims that Jesus Christ took back or revoked both promises of "Chosen People" and "Promised Land". Because of this contrariety, many Christians visiting Israel are spat upon by Rabbis. It was the "Myths" entered into the Schofield Bible which claimed that Jews and Christians were "Brothers In Christ" which sort of "Unionized" both Jews and Christians. In actual fact, the Schofield Bible was a fabrication which was authored/financed by Jewish sources.

Henry Frowde, the mysterious OUP publisher of Zionist Scofield Bible, was a lifelong Darbyite Plymouth Brother
By Maidhc Ó Cathail
August 01, 2014

"it remains a mystery" why the reputable Oxford University Press had a century earlier published The Scofield Reference Bible, the highly influential but controversial work whose annotated Zionist commentary on the Authorized King James Version has "induced generations of American evangelicals to believe that God demands their uncritical support for the modern State of Israel."
http://thepassionateattachment.com/2014/08/01/henry-frowde-the-mysterious-oup-publisher-of-zionist-scofield-bible-was-a-lifelong-darbyite-plymouth-brother

"Judaized Christians, or Christian Zionists, are fond of turning the discipline of Bible study on its head by allowing the Old Testament to interpret and to clarify the New Testament when, in fact, the proper method of Christian Bible study is to do the opposite: allow the New Testament to shed light on and interpret the Old Testament."
"Thus these "Christians", rather than following the teachings and example of Jesus Christ, which is found in the New Testament, will force the words of Christ and the Christian New Testament to comply with the Old Testament, especially regarding Israel."
--A. J. MacDonald Jr., The 100 Year-Old Duping of American Evangelical Christianity – Christian Zionism, October 04, 2011--
Challenging Christian Zionism and Apocalyptic Rapture Teachings on Israel and Palestine
https://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/the-100-year-old-duping-of-american-evangelical-christianity-christian-zionism

Intense reading of the New Testament would show that Jesus Christ said that Jerusalem was a "Heavenly Place" and not a "Physical Place" here on this earth.

Israel has turned Bethlehem (the cradle of Christianity) into a prison
By John Harris
November 05, 2005
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians.johnharris

Christians Discriminated Against by Israel
By Donald Neff
Excerpted from Fifty Years of Israel
1998
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

Israel's Christians spitting mad
By Inigo Gilmore
October 13, 2004
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1474051/Israels-Christians-spitting-mad.html

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat
December 10, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=487412

United Against Spitting
Father Samuel Aghoyan, a senior Armenian Orthodox cleric in Jerusalem's Old City, told the JPost "that he's been spat at by young Haredi (God fearing religious Jews) and national Orthodox Jews 'about 15 to 20 times' in the past decade". Father Aghoyan added, "Every single priest in this church has been spat on. It happens day and night."
Similarly Father Athanasius, a Texas-born Franciscan monk who heads the Christian Information Centre in Jerusalem's Old City, said he's been spat at by Orthodox Jews "about 15 times in the last six months".
Jewish spitting is not exactly breaking News. I myself have explored the issue more than once. The Israeli professor Israel Shahak commented on Jewish hatred towards Christianity and its symbolism, suggesting that "dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism." According to Shahak, "spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around AD 200 for pious Jews."
By Gilad Atzmon
November 30, 2009
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/united-against-spitting-by-gilad-atzmon.html

Mouths filled with hatred
By Larry Derfner
November 26, 2009
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1259231077244

Capital Anglos mobilize against practice of spitting at Christians
By Raphael Ahren
March 11, 2010
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1154366.html

Ultra-Orthodox spitting attacks on Old City clergymen becoming daily
Clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem say they are victims of harassment, from senior cardinals to priesthood students; when they do complain, the police don't usually find the perpetrators.
By Oz Rosenberg
November 04, 2011
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

Armenian clergy subjected to Haredi spitting attacks
Police say that in every case where a complaint is filed, the offender has been caught thanks to security cameras installed in the Old City.
By Oz Rosenberg
November 06, 2011
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/armenian-clergy-subjected-to-haredi-spitting-attacks-1.393912

Bishops told to remove crucifixes at Jerusalem's Western Wall
May 01, 2008
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=29027

Gopstein: Christians Not Welcome in Jerusalem
An Israeli Rabbi said, Wednesday, that Christians are not welcome in Jerusalem, and that he does not mind burning mosques and churches.
January 01, 2016
http://www.imemc.org/article/74410

Jewish Extremists' Attacks Rattle Christians in Holy Land
Assaults on churches by right-wing Jews, a new phenomenon, raise concern about movement's increasingly aggressive tactics.
By Andrew Lawler
December 24, 2015
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151224-israel-jewish-terrorism-arson-christian-church-multiplication

Israeli lawmaker tears up "abominable" New Testament, throws it in trash
July 17, 2012
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/israeli-lawmaker-tears-up-abominable-new-testament-throws-it-in-trash




calm

#2

All ancestors of Adam are what are known as the "human race". Adam was neither a Jew nor Muslim species. He was simply a human species. All who find their beginnings in Adam are a human species and belong to the human family and compose the human race. I don't particularly recall where God or anyone else created a 'Jewish race' nor a 'Muslim race' ... or, for that matter, a Protestant or Catholic race. God only created human beings and thus we are all simply that: human. To claim otherwise is preposterous. That would be like claiming that the DNA composition of a Jew or a Muslim or whatever other religious variety would be markedly different. But anyone with a half a brain in their head knows that the DNA of both a Muslim and a Jew is precisely identical.

Claims to the contrary are absolutely ludicrous. As Abraham of old, I too " fell on his face and laughed" when reading opposing arguments. The Jews are not a race. Plain and simple.

Abraham was 99 years old when his god supposedly interrupted his day and introduced himself. Abraham was a Semite before this incident and remained a Semite after the incident. The singular item which changed was Abraham's concept of a divine entity. And, like numerous tribes before him and after him, what did Abraham do? Not surprisingly, he created for himself and his offspring a religion!

Later we read where this new-found god of Abraham commanded him to kill his son Issac and thus revealed himself as something of a schizophrenic god who acts different to the very laws of creation which he himself instilled in every man's heart. It is not a wonder why Islam was born; the Jews became a shame to their own religion. Not to mention the fact that their claim to serve such a schizophrenic god was not all that inviting to those seeking joy, peace and righteousness. (But this contrariety we should perhaps leave for another day).

Speaking of the creation laws of God: lets not forget why the Ten Commandments were chiseled in stone. It was because the conscience of the Israelites had become so hardened and ignorant of their humanity that the very creation laws of God were no longer speaking to them. So Moses had these creation laws become physically visible to compensate for those who, similar to the Pharoah of old, had hearts which had become hardened.

Inspite of all the clamour in these days of the Jews worshipping the god who revealed himself to Abraham, sadly their own prophet Jeremiah stands to accuse them saying: "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also." Jeremiah 3:8
http://bible.cc/jeremiah/3-8.htm

But here is where the Jews set out to fool their god and mimic obedience. They lawyered-up as the popular saying goes. Their Rabbis began to invent edicts and subscriptions to all sorts of burdensome laws and self excusatory penances. Much later, Jesus asked of these lawyered-up Jews, "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." Matthew 12:34As I see it, the Jewish Folks are followers of the Old Testament (Abraham) and Christians are followers of the New Testament (Jesus).

It is true that in the Old Testament, it is claimed that God gave Israel a Promised Land.

However; in the New Testament, Jesus said that nothing said in the Old Testament was to hold true because Jesus was the new messiah and what the Old Testament (Abraham) said was no longer valid.

Here are the pertinent versus:

The Old Covenant which the Jewish Folks are all clamoring about today to justify their geography became obsolete and rendered dead with the pronouncement of the New Testament saying: with "A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away." [NASB When He said, "A new {covenant,}" He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.] Hebrews 8:13
http://bible.cc/hebrews/8-13.htm

The Old Covenant [Talmud] heralded by the Jewish folks was replaced by the New Covenant which identified the reality behind the shadow: for the true Jews; for a spiritual people seeking a heavenly citizenship in "heavenly places in Christ Jesus" [New Jerusalem]. Ephesians 2:6
http://bible.cc/ephesians/2-6.htm

In this sense, they too follow after Abraham who plainly declared that he was not seeking a visible homeland but an invisible homeland. "For he [Abraham] looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God" Hebrews 11:10
http://biblehub.com/hebrews/11-10.htm

As the converted Jewish scholar/apostle Paul declared: ""For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28
http://bible.cc/romans/2-28.htm

So, everyone who subscribes to the ideas expressed by Jesus (New Covenant) are now known as Jews and not those who claim Abraham as their father.

In the Old Testament Scriptures, God's chosen people were known as Israelites or Jews. The Israelites were the ones "to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises." (Romans 9:4)
http://bible.cc/romans/9-4.htm

Yet the Apostle Paul tells us, "They are not all Israel which are of Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called." St. Paul goes on to explain, "That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." (Romans 9:6-8) The promise in Genesis was given to Abraham "because thou hast obeyed my voice." Romans 9.6
http://bible.cc/romans/9-6.htm

Today's Jews, as for almost 2,000 years, have not obeyed God's voice, but have rejected and cursed Christ and make a mockery of the teachings of the Christian Bible.

The Old Testament prophets, speaking infallibly and without error, thus foresaw this development, and that there would be a group called Israel and Jew which would not be the rightful heirs of Abraham.

As previously noted, Isaiah said to the true heirs of Abraham, "Thou shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name ... and you shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall ... call his servants by another name." (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15)
http://bible.cc/isaiah/62-2.htm
http://bible.cc/isaiah/65-15.htm

Although God changed the name of His chosen ones once, He will never do so again, for He said of this new name, "I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off." (Isaiah 56:5)
http://bible.cc/isaiah/56-5.htm

And, finally, the frenzied ignorance of geographical and racist suppositions never cease to amaze me.

The delusional imaginings which pretend the idea that a large chunk of the Middle East still belongs to the national Jews today, including the ancient lands of Edom and Moab, even though God said in Deuteronomy 2:5, 9 that He would never give those lands to the Jews.
http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/2-5.htm

Many people wrongly presuppose that God's covenant with Abraham, including the land grant, as an unconditional covenant. The truth is that the Talmud narrative pointedly shows that the Jews have broken that Covenant and all that remains is the stubborn insistence that Palestine still belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them 'forever'. The Talmud/Old Testament clearly teaches that God's covenant with Abraham and his descendants was a conditional Covenant, not unconditional as some delusions might suppose.

In Genesis 17:9-14 the Jews were warned that they must keep the covenant or be cut off from God's people.
http://bible.cc/genesis/17-9.htm

Joshua 23:15-16 and 2 Chronicles 7:19-22 not only teach that the covenant was conditional, but they also specify that the Jews would lose their land grant if they broke the covenant.
http://bible.cc/joshua/23-15.htm
http://bible.cc/2_chronicles/7-19.htm

The Jews did not keep the conditions of the covenant, and for this reason God took away the kingdom of God from them, Matthew 21:42-45, and gave it to the New Israel (Galatians 6:16,) the Church which consists of believing Jews and Gentiles.
http://bible.cc/joshua/23-15.htm
http://bible.cc/galatians/6-16.htm

The final disappearance of the old covenant took place in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the Temple, the City of Jerusalem, and the Jewish state. There is no statement or hint in the New Testament that God will revive the Jewish state. The inheritance of the new Spiritual Israel is not land in the Middle East, but rather the New Jerusalem in heaven. The old Jerusalem on earth is of absolutely no importance to God's people, John 4:21, Galatians 4:24-28, Hebrews 12:18-24.
http://bible.cc/john/4-21.htm
http://bible.cc/galatians/4-24.htm
http://bible.cc/hebrews/12-18.htm

The Apostle Paul refers to Christians as the faithful sons of Abraham, the circumcision, and as members of the commonwealth of Israel. In so doing, he was referring to the Church which follows the teachings of Jesus ... a spiritual Israel. Paul also mentioned the "Jerusalem above" as the "mother of us all", and his identification of the "heavenly Jerusalem" was with the "church of the firstborn".
http://bible.cc/galatians/4-26.htm

It is the Christians who are members of the "household of God", of which Christ is the "firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29).
http://bible.cc/romans/8-29.htm

This is Christianity which has been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets". Ephesians 2:20
http://bible.cc/ephesians/2-20.htm

The Israelites, as members of the chosen nation, were the adopted children of God according to the flesh. However, the Christian saints are now God's adopted children: "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God" (Romans 8:16).
http://bible.cc/romans/8-16.htm

Thus, the importance of the nation of Israel is an historical one which typifies the role of the church as spiritual Israel. The church, under Christ, is that body through whom mankind, by faith, will be brought into the knowledge of God. It is even as the angel said to Mary: Luke 1:31-33: "You will conceive in your womb and bear a son; and He will be called Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give Him the throne of His forefather David; and He will be King over the House of Jacob for the Ages, and of His Kingdom there will be no end." [Weymouth]
http://bible.cc/luke/1-31.htm

"We Ought to Support Israel because God Said So"
The Myth of Abraham and America's Allegiance to Israel
By Gary Leupp
December 23, 2014
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/23/the-myth-of-abraham-and-americas-allegiance-to-israel

Myth #8 – God gave the land to the Jews, so the Arabs are the occupiers.
By Jeremy R. Hammond
June 17, 2010

No amount of discussion of the facts on the ground will ever convince many Jews and Christians that Israel could ever do wrong, because they view its actions as having the hand of God behind it, and that its policies are in fact the will of God. They believe that God gave the land of Palestine, including the West Bank and Gaza Strip, to the Jewish people, and therefore Israel has a "right" to take it by force from the Palestinians, who, in this view, are the wrongful occupiers of the land.

But one may simply turn to the pages of their own holy books to demonstrate the fallaciousness of this or similar beliefs. Christian Zionists are fond of quoting passages from the Bible such as the following to support their Zionist beliefs:

"And Yahweh said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: 'Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are – northward, southward, eastward, and westward; for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever. And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants could also be numbered. Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you."
--Genesis 13:14-17--

"Then Yahweh appeared to him and said: 'Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I shall tell you. Dwell in the land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father."
--Genesis 26: 1-3--

"And behold, Yahweh stood above it and said: 'I am Yahweh, God of Abraham your father, and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants."
--Genesis 28:13--

Yet Christian Zionists conveniently disregard other passages providing further context for understanding this covenant, such as the following:

"You shall therefore keep all My statutes and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out."
--Leviticus 20:22--

"But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments ... but break My covenant ... I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it. I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste ... You shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up."
--Leviticus 26: 14, 15, 32-33, 28--

"Therefore Yahweh was very angry with Israel, and removed them from His sight; there was none left but the tribe of Judah alone.... So Israel was carried away from their own land to Assyria, as it is to this day."
--2 Kings 17:18, 23--

"And I said, after [Israel] had done all these things, 'Return to Me.' But she did not return. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also."
--Jeremiah 3: 7-8--

Yes, in the Bible, Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, told the Hebrews that the land could be theirs – if they would obey his commandments. Yet, as the Bible tells the story, the Hebrews were rebellious against Yahweh in all their generations.

What Jewish and Christian Zionists omit from their Biblical arguments in favor of continued Israel occupation is that Yahweh also told the Hebrews, including the tribe of Judah (from whom the "Jews" are descended), that he would remove them from the land if they broke the covenant by rebelling against his commandments, which is precisely what occurs in the Bible.

Thus, the theological argument for Zionism is not only bunk from a secular point of view, but is also a wholesale fabrication from a scriptural perspective, representing a continued rebelliousness against Yahweh and his Torah, and the teachings of Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) in the New Testament.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Femacamper

I love the title of this post!  <Bump>