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[Jenny Lake]

This "lawsuit" crew promotes vaccines and they denounce vaccines. Which is it? Where's the evidence vaccines caused Spanish Flu? Dr. Ott says they made enough in China in 1916-17 to give it to millions of recruits. He can't even name the right vaccine. All he can do is repeat, repeat, repeat.

Here's a look at Deagle, Ott, and Ridenour

DR. WILLIAM DEAGLE
Dr. Deagle has been speaking out for years about the IMMANENT Bird Flu Pandemic and owns a company called Nutrimedical, catering to people who fear the pandemic. The page link shows a listing for the articles from other 'Doctors' on his crusade to spread the pandemic news:
http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml? ... ws.id=1952
 
Bill Deagle and Henry Niman push the fear of bird flu, back on 8-26-2005 --Deagle says "we have to get vaccines for everybody", Niman agrees, Deagle repeats this and states clearly "they can make a safe vaccine" (second from the bottom)
http://www.iamthewitness.com/archive.ph ... .Deagle%2F
 
Here's a couple bits of an interview with Dr. Deagle:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_deag ... _2009.html
 
[interviewer referring to a man named 'cliff hugh who says Deagle is a gov't agent, which BD denies]
 
When I worked in occupational medicine back in the early '80s, they made a decision in the government that they no longer wanted to have a lot of jobs done by people inside the military. Because they either didn't have the expertise, they wanted to hire a company and if they weren't satisfied with the work that was done by that company (i.e., medical or contract for specific things), so they started contracting out; especially during the era of Bill Clinton.
 
So what they did, is they contracted for me. And my first major job for C-Com: to contract C-Com to handle Fort Carson, NORAD, Falcon Air Force Base, U.S. Space Strategic Command, the GPS Military-Grade system, and Directed Energy Weapons. The reason why I was their doctor was simply because I was their doctor. I took care of people that worked in these things; worked around these toxic things, worked around rocket labs, and I was their physician. They were not permitted, most of these people, to even talk to their colleagues who were in the next room, let alone the next building. But they would talk to their doctor.
 
And the only difference was with me, is that because I have a technical background in nuclear physics, advanced computing, electronics, biotechnology; they would share with me. And after a while, because I'm a talker, they were more interested in what I would have to say about the bigger picture about what was going on at their facility, and they were more interested in telling me their little piece -- that's very, very compartmentalized -- than what I would tell them.
.....................
http://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_deag ... _2009.html
 
BD:  I have people who have written books as long as ten years ago when I spoke at the Prophecy Club, that literally -- I can't believe this -- but literally have written a book that I'm the antichrist. I mean, how foolish! [Kerry laughs] I mean, every day I put my personal life, my career, everything on the line to be the whistleblower for...
In fact, I just did an audio for tenth anniversary of Columbine. I was the examiner for the Englewood Fire Department and the first young man shot in Columbine outside the restaurant there, Mark Taylor. I was the exit examiner for the 5 Special Op Team of the Oklahoma City Memorial Building. I have been trying to do radial toxicology testing on the World Trade Center debris, and I'm writing the position paper which I'm going to present at We Are Change, New York City, on the eighth anniversary of 9/11.
I've been told by my radial toxicology colleagues, because I have advanced training in radial chemistry, that if I order the tests the Department of Defense and the FBI will arrest me immediately for requesting the tests of debris which I have from the World Trade Center. Further proving that they not only used Thermate and other high explosives, but they used nuclear bombs in the buildings, okay?
KC:  Okay, you know...
BD:  People need to realize that I am a whistleblower central. That's why my Genesis [Communication Network radio show]... The number one reason, number one, that I did this is: twelve years ago, when I spoke at Human Life International in Zurich on the super-soldier program, which they tried to recruit me to in 1978 at UCLA VA/Wadsworth Hospital and I turned them down, is because I have the documents and the proof that they were trying to create a pandemic flu to bring the world, and literally we are going to enter the new world order with a mask. This is their plan. I had the documents 12 years ago.
 
 
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DR. A. TRUE OTT, PhD, ND
from Utah, owns a company called Mother Earth Minerals
 
Dr. Ott speaks continually of his 'friends' who work for Homeland Security, the FBI, CIA, NIH, and the military. He claims to have inside knowledge, the kind for which no one else has proof. He claimed certain knowledge that the pandemic would be started in China during the Olympics. He also claims to have been "recruited" by elitist-eugenicist ?? intelligence forces within the government. Listen to him say it in the "Fallen Angels" interview, linked above by his name.
 
Dr. Ott repeats and repeats what appears to be an error, confusing (?) the illness of Typhoid Fever with the illness of Typhus. He also makes mistakes or misspeaks on medical history and terminology.
from the injunction/indictment:
   (p.22)"The 1918 virus pandemic was the direct result of TYPHUS FEVER VACCINES injected into
   millions of soldiers during the Great War (WWI)."
 
Alexander S. Jones states clearly, twice, with emphasis that "the Spanish Flu was caused by Typhoid Fever B vaccine". Where did he learn his information from? He says he learned it from Dr. Ott.
(from 'The Awakening' program)
Fallen Angels interview, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/dr.-a.-true-ott/
 
Nutrimedical Report Dont Take Swine Flu Virus! 4/6 - Dprogram.net ...
"... Dr. Rebecca Carley MD, DR True Ott PhD ND, Alexander S Jones NIH Viral Scientist(Whistleblower), — Jane Burgermeister Journalist Vienna, Austria, ..."
http://www.casttv.com/video/e0xa98/nutr ... -net-video
 
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rss/tag/al ... -jones.rss
Flu pandemic | World Health organization | False Flag Attack | Dr. A. True Ott | Alexander S. Jones
 

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DR. GARY C. RIDENOUR
 
Dr. Ridenour gave an interview on Coast to Coast am where a brief biography, supplied by himself, can be found.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/ridenour-gary/6733 (free here http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/flu ... /678520364)
Gary Ridenour
Biography:
Gary Ridenour attended Hiram College and was at Woodstock and the Kent State Shootings. He interviewed at numerous medical schools that refused his application because they didn't like people that,"rock the boat." Gary attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico and was one of the main characters in the movie, "Bad Medicine," written by a classmate. He ran his own clinic for the poor out of a Catholic Church clinic and...did his Internship in Regina, Sakatchewan, and then moved to St. Louis for his residency in Internal Medicine.
 
Later he set up the Critical Care Fellowship Program and was the first fellow. After training Dr. Ridenour ran the emergency room at St. Louis City Hospital, where he saw a murder a day, a rape a day and two gunshots.... was, "Citizen of the Year," in 1980. He decided to go West and arrived in Fallon, Nevada in 1981. During the Reagan years, Naval Air Station Fallon grew into the premier fighter weapon school in the world and boasts of being the home to, Top Gun. Dr. Ridneour has been heavily engaged in the leukemia cluster in Fallon and has co-authored four papers on the subject. He probably is the only citizen in the U.S., who can say he turned an aircraft carrier around toward home and made sure everyone received antiviral medications on the way. His current interest is in educating everyone on the threat of the, "Avian Flu."
 
ADDITIONAL information on Dr. Ridenour turns up this:
State of Nevada
Board of Medical Examiners

License Verification</CENTER

Person Information Name: Gary Charles RIDENOUR Address: 625 W. Willams Fallon NV 89406 Phone Number: (775) 423-6400
License Information License Type: Medical Doctor Status: Active Issue Date: 4/3/1982 Scope of Practice: Family Practice Internal Medicine

FORMAL DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE NEVADA STATE BOARD
OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS:
********************************************************************
APRIL 25, 1994
The Investigative Committee of the Nevada State Board
of Medical Examiners filed a formal complaint against
Dr. Ridenour alleging that he was prescribing controlled
substances to others except as authorized by law, writing
a prescription for controlled substance without a exam,
failure to maintain medical records, influencing a patient
to engage in sexual activity , and conviction of a felony
involving moral turpitude relating to the practice of medicine.
Copies; Complaint w/ Exihibit 17 pages
******************************************************************
JUNE 10, 1994
The Board entered into a Stipulation for Settlement with
Dr. Ridenour and it was orderd that his medical license be
revoked, the revocation was stayed and he was placed
on probation for 5 years, he must complete a prescribing
course, he must complete a 6 month course in medical ethics,
must perform 40 hours drug abuse public service, he shall not
prescribe Schedule I, II & III drugs, he must fax to the Board a
monthly log of all Schedule IV & V controlled substances he
prescribes, he must submit to random samplings of body fluids
collected by the Board, reimburse the board the cost of the
investigation and prosecution, shall pay a $1,000 fine, and he
shall receive a public written reprimand.
Copies; Stipulation for Settelment 8 pages, Order 7 pages
*********************************************************************
JUNE 28, 1999
The Board ordered that Dr. Ridenour successfully
completed his probation and removed him from probationary
status and restored his medical license to a full and
unrestricted license in the state of Nevada.
Copies: Order 1 page
********************************************************************
http://medboard.nv.gov/publicinfo.asp?s ... irst_Name=
 
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[LordLindsey]

Jenny, as I said, you should talk with her about these people because I never, ever had a good feeling about Deagle and the other two you have mentioned don't look much better.  Thank you for finding this, because Deagle really is "Johnny-on-the-spot."  Columbine, OKC, and is now trying to do "testing" regarding 911 evidence...he seems to show-up at the most peculiar times, doesn't he?

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

In the Fallen Angels interview, Alma True Ott says he attended the 'Kneip Institute' (written biographies that I've read do not provide this info) and the only institution I can find by that name is the T.J. Kneip Institute of Environmental Medicine at NYU. Ott says they teach German theories "there" on "nutritional concepts you just don't find in America". Kneip is doing advanced work in biophysics.
If this is Alma's mater, the Kneip Institute is a government contractor running toxicology examinations for the military and the EPA among others. The person T.J. Kneip supervised studies that helped to prepare the "Strategic Plan for the Redevelopment of the Port of New York" (Port Authority) in February of 1999.

writing of DR. A. TRUE OTT
http://www.postpositive.org/?page_id=95
"Free at Last : A Philosophical Treatise, One Man's Search for Spiritual Truth"
related audio: True Ott interview with Greg Szymanski
 
selected excerpts from the mind and pen of Dr. Ott: [[commentary by JLake in double brackets, and don't miss pages 47-50 about how Ott found the incriminating evidence about JFKs assassination and made friends with JFKJr. weeks before his takedown]]
 
"The author fully understands that Truth can often be
subjective in nature. The observations and experiences revered as "truth" by one,
are often nothing more than "blasphemy" to another. However, what are
incontrovertible, are historical facts. This is the all-encompassing "truth and
nothing but the truth" that is universally sought in an honest court of law.
You see, an honest court of law is not too interested in the "opinions and
feelings" of witnesses for the most part. It is interested primarily in the
establishment of facts. While such facts can often be "spun" in numerous
different ways to form different conclusions, the important thing in the objective
search for truth, is to correctly, and objectively establish the facts. This is what
the author will do his best to accomplish with this book. As unpopular, or as
unconventional as they might appear to be, facts are the basis for all objective
truths. Facts should not be feared or restricted if Truth is ever to be established.
As Winston Churchill so eloquently declared: "The Truth is incontrovertible. [[though Ott just told you that historical fact is incontrovertible and 'truth' is often subjective]]
Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."
In addition to seeking Truth, we should not limit ourselves to, or be satisfied
with, partial truths. We should be seeking the WHOLE Truth, and nothing but the
WHOLE Truth, and we should pray from the depths of our souls, "So help me,
God, (to uncover and see the WHOLE Truth)!!" The WHOLE Truth makes such
a huge difference in the outcome of any trial, especially an individual Trial of
Faith. ........................[[in the 'Fallen Angels' interview, Ott chose to quote Eleanor McBean's 1977 paper about the dangers of vaccination, but he did not point out that McBean emphatically challenged the concept of contagion by viruses.]]
 
The reader should also know and understand that the author has been tested
and found to have an intelligence quotient (IQ) of 142, placing him in the top 2%
of the "intellectual population" of America. His personalized IQ report reads: "[A.
True Ott] is equipped with a verbal arsenal that enables him to understand
complex issues and to communicate on a particularly high level. [Ott] is in a
unique position to describe things in an original way, as well as see the future in
his mind's eye. In short, [Ott's] intelligence strengths allow him to be a visionary
–able to extrapolate and come up with a multitude of fresh ideas. Whether he
puts pen to paper or uses his understanding of the words around him to come up
with creative approaches to problems, his potential as a world-renowned author
is terrific."...............................
 
Sadly, in many modern organizations, especially government bureaucracies,
intellectuals are often ridiculed and actually discriminated against. For instance,
an individual named Robert Jordan applied for employment to the New Haven,
CT police force. He filed suit in 1997 when he uncovered that the only reason he
was not hired was because his IQ test score was "too high". A spokesperson for
the police department was actually quoted as saying that people with too high of
an IQ are not hired because they "soon tire of police work and leave not long
after undergoing costly academy training." Sadly, the courts ruled in favor of the
Police Department...................[[and what does Ott want you to do with the voluminous 'injunctions' prepared by himself and Team Deagle? take them to the courts and police!!]]
 
[[here's the real motive for this 'treatise, an injunction against the corruption and apostasy of the Mormon Church directed at fellow Mormons]]
I intend to establish and defend an empirical, incontrovertible truth in the
pages of this book. That single truth is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints, as currently constituted, is, without a doubt, the ordained vehicle
empowered to establish and defend the Kingdom of the Lord God in its complete
fullness, glory and power upon the earth! I will show in these pages that it is in
fact the primary vessel endowed by powerful, spiritual entities from the unseen
world with a solemn mission of the unification of all the Lord God's"power and
priesthoods" since the earth began. Of this, I am absolutely convinced..................
 
You must understand that I do not write this book lightly. Many, many tears
and countless sleepless nights have accompanied it. I have searched the depths
of my own soul to justify its content. For better or for worse, you see, I am a
product of the Mormon cult-ure, and was at one time completely and totally
brainwashed and indoctrinated into the sect. I know now that I was not thinking
objectively, and was primarily driven by honoring parental traditions. I do not
believe that to be a completely bad thing, as I have lived a very safe and secure
life to this point. [[and I guess a 142 IQ is not adequate to prevent becoming "completely and totally brainwashed"]]
 
[[end of excerpts, and enough said]]

[Jenny Lake]

so, if you were a cop, having neither the time, inclination, nor smarts (apparently) to figure out this "mess" of psy-op looking peudo-'evidence' in these lawsuit/injunction documents and somebody said 'listen to this guy Alexander Jones who says resist with deadly force' and you sniffed the wind for the 'forced vaccination' story and heard people talking about taking up their guns, what would you think?...

[LatinAmericanview]

so, if you were a cop, having neither the time, inclination, nor smarts (apparently) to figure out this "mess" of psy-op looking peudo-'evidence' in these lawsuit/injunction documents and somebody said 'listen to this guy Alexander Jones who says resist with deadly force' and you sniffed the wind for the 'forced vaccination' story and heard people talking about taking up their guns, what would you think?...

I do not
believe that to be a completely bad thing, as I have lived a very safe and secure
life to this point. [[and I guess a 142 IQ is not adequate to prevent becoming "completely and totally brainwashed"]]

[[end of excerpts, and enough said]]

The following attempt to do so, an excerpt from Choice Mathematics (book one) by Kevin of the Teachers, is certainly quite provocative: 'There appears to be a hierarchy of abilities and traits in those of high intelligence as follows, suggesting an order for teaching intelligence.
     IQ (S.D. = 15)    Attributes
    185     High natural neuro-kinesthetic control; high curiosity drive; anti trivia; in a hurry
    180     New creation
    175     Knows intelligent (and right!)
    165     Formalisation; beginnings of self confidence; less hiding
    160     Interest in logic; paranoia; minor creation; recognises good work; art; music
    150     Trivial formalisation
    145     Below this level and often above is everywhere found a slavery to conditioning'

[Jenny Lake]

LAV,
You're post is amusing and I'm sorry it's not funnier given the situation. Anyone at TIU ever taken on the subject of Intelligence Testing? It's a shame Kevin of the Teachers doesn't rate for perversity or the development of the "mastermind". Btw, who's Kevin?

My point (which I nod to you as well-taken) was to show Ott's actions in light of his own reasoning. Whether you meant to or not, you've highlighted a really key point, and that is where Ott says being completely and totally brainwashed is "not a bad thing" as a trade-off for a "safe and secure life", implied here that intelligence has nothing to do with it. ??

Seems like the smartest people I've known have lived at a deep 'feeling' level, unintellectualized and unparalyzed, able to act on their very good intuition and instincts.

[LatinAmericanview]

LAV,
You're post is amusing and I'm sorry it's not funnier given the situation. Anyone at TIU ever taken on the subject of Intelligence Testing? It's a shame Kevin of the Teachers doesn't rate for perversity or the development of the "mastermind". Btw, who's Kevin?

My point (which I nod to you as well-taken) was to show Ott's actions in light of his own reasoning. Whether you meant to or not, you've highlighted a really key point, and that is where Ott says being completely and totally brainwashed is "not a bad thing" as a trade-off for a "safe and secure life", implied here that intelligence has nothing to do with it. ??

Seems like the smartest people I've known have lived at a deep 'feeling' level, unintellectualized and unparalyzed, able to act on their very good intuition and instincts.

Hello Jenny
I am an avid chess player and I actually study the game. In the course of my chess studies I stumbled across this interesting article titled "IQ and Chess strength".
http://www.jlevitt.dircon.co.uk/iq.htm

The basic point of the article is that there may better ways of measuring human intelligence. The quotation in my previous post makes some rather provocative claims about intelligence that I thought were relevant to your query. Assuming that Kevin of Teachers is correct then this would yield some heart breaking conclusions. The number of individuals that could "break their conditioning" would be very small and even fewer individuals would be motivated to do so.  Ott is the personification of this sobering thought.

[Jenny Lake]

Thanks everyone, for contributions to the thread.

This now very long thread is begging for summary, imo.
 
So, where are we in this Plan-demic?
 
The early news reports, which included limited but certain information about individual deaths, showed that victims had underlying medical conditions. I could not find one example of a person without a previous health challenge, not counting an infant in New York where no information about the baby's status was given. This dispels the propaganda of "healthy young adults" dying from 'swine flu'. Evidence is not there and no one at TIU has posted anything other than the repitition of the claim. As the toll mounted and included more adults, less information was given, and mostly no information was given regarding a person's health.
 
Comparison to Spanish Flu, where most of my posts focus, I hope by now are evidently false. This is the centerpiece of the current "pandemic" myth compounded with the "never before seen" recombinant A/H1N1. Ruben Donis of the CDC made a statement in April that similar viruses were recorded in 1998. H1N1 is noted for being globally endemic in many species and recombining easily. In the 1930s, "phage" work was inserting infectious bacteria with (then) recently identified "influenza virus"from multiple species, known definitively by the 1950s to be RNA/DNA fragments.
The "mixing bowls" for swine-human flu genes were bacteria used in lab experimentation, demonstrated by a speech from George Hirst in 1961. This removes a need for contact among the species. Currently, doctors like Stefan Lanka and Nancy Banks are arguing several points about 'virus' not being detected in cases of HIV/AIDS. Historically, there is ample evidence that virus was undetected in other diseases declared to be contagious. "Contagion" has a clear legal definition, but not a clear medical one. The medico-legal definition of many diseases is dependent on the quality of the tests designed to determine whether the conditions for the disease are present. No such tests, good or bad, existed in 1918.  
 
The Spanish Flu was many "flu-like" illnesses, but the most dreaded element which frightened doctors and nurses was the rapid hemorrhagic-like illness that caused people to turn blue/black and bleed out from their ears, noses, eyes, and lungs. Poisoning may account for this, as this particular set of signs/symptoms vanished after the war, never to return. The role vaccines could have played is speculative. I posted some evidence that Frederick Gates, John D. Rockefeller's right hand and sometime medical researcher, was sending reports from Ft. Riley Kansas in 1918 regarding the use of experimental meningitis vaccines. Nitrogen compounds were ingredients in vaccines as well as pervasively used in processed foods and war munitions, possibly responsible for sudden onset sickness, resembling in an uncanny way in cows and pigs the same signs as Spanish Flu. Other issues regarding chronic disease and damage from nitrogen compounds is posted in the thread, including links to the cause of AIDS.
 
The issue of reporting, due to awareness or lack of adequate testing and diagnosis was as much a problem for the US Army during WWII, despite vigilant monitoring, as it is now. Fear of the flu, this particular flu, would cause more people to seek out a diagnosis. Even still, case incidence is low, mortality lower than seasonal flu. In concert with the media hype and pseudoscientific "expert" reports of the mainstream are a small band of "champions for truth" who've filed the charges of bioterror targeting the internet news community of "patriots". In their own words, they promote the need for vaccines, and yet demand the public join them in resisting "with deadly force if necessary" the vaccines made for this purpose, claiming contamination and unsafe proceedures. In every case known to me, vaccines kill and disable a percentage of the population. Many articles and professional medical journals highlight this tragic fact as a certainty. To say that a certain vaccine has a high probability of causing injury or death is disingenuous --a vaccine, any vaccine, has a certainty of killing and injuring a nominal group of people who receive it. Ironically, the people leading the charge against the "new" vaccine sell products that claim to detox vaccines and kill viruses while concurrently claiming the scope of a "real" pandemic far beyond the available evidence. In other words, the claim is that a truly contagious "deadly bioweapon" has been unleashed as a "resurrected 1918 virus" but will only spread if people accept the "contaminated vaccine". At best, this is a mixture of little fact and mostly fiction.
 
The clear motive of money-making is evident in the commercial Vaccine Congresses which have demonstrated the market demand and intend to capitalize on the very lucrative business of vaccine-production. The individuals appointed by gov't and NGO agencies to direct the policy and investigation of pandemic-related incidents are also invested in the vaccine business. They are looking forward and planning for a growth to 4.4 billion dollars, however, reports about expenditures to date are already over half this amount this year, so a future market value of 4.4 billion (for the year 2016) appears to be an extreme undervaluation of this actual market. Many billions are spent on R&D; posted that Robert Webster rec'd 7.1 billion from the Bush Administration. Are the funds for R&D left out of the equation --counting a "market" of sales value only? The many billions in funding being drained from national treasuries is not covered. Obviously, veterinary vaccines will be a part of this growth industry too, but not accounted for here. According to the terrapinn.com site article in this thread, the US makes up more than 50% of the global vaccine market. Terrapinn also claims that 3.5 million people die annually of flu, while news outlets are repeating a figure of 250,000 to 500,000. Is the purpose to make it appear that a deadly pandemic is occurring when "actual reports" count flu deaths over a million?
 
Questions remain about the role of viruses and bacteria. More questions are being raised about the trustworthiness of information. If there's any common ground between the Spanish Flu and today's pandemic, it's the use of the media to promote an Influenza PANIC.

[LatinAmericanview]

The Plan-demic is trigger event to create a rule set change or reset. What makes the Plan-demic so interesting is that it clearly shows how a catastrophic event can be created from nothing. The ripple effects from vaccine reactions, economic slow downs, economic windfalls, quarantine procedures and other "life saving" are the real threat. One may want to watch Dr. Thomas Barnett's video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... yEAQ&hl=en

[hurensohn]

It's not really about medical facts, it's about the lying stealing traitor government telling you should take it. After stealing and lying for 150 years, well it's upto you.

[Jenny Lake]

To say that it's "not really about medical facts" is like saying the structural design of the World Trade towers is not important as to why they collapsed or that aviation capability is not important in determining if an airliner hit the Pentagon.

If the medical facts had been exposed a long time ago, this would not be happening.

[abduLMaria]

The Spanish Flu was many "flu-like" illnesses, but the most dreaded element which frightened doctors and nurses was the rapid hemorrhagic-like illness that caused people to turn blue/black and bleed out from their ears, noses, eyes, and lungs.

'

sounds like Ebola.  can't help but wonder if they are related.

[Milton]

The WTC buildings did not collapse, they were demolished. In fact, the structural design of the buildings was the reason why they didn't collapse. Let's keep our dialogues sharper than Hell.

[LordLindsey]

Abdul, Jenny and I discussed that very same issue of the symptoms appearing to be VERY Ebolaesque, but that just can't be because Ebola, as MikeWB pointed-out, kills within a few hours through the virus consuming the host's organs.  As I have told Jenny several times, I am not an expert in virology by any means, but I DO know that what is being described is not in any way symptomatic of normal flu or any other flu strain of which I am aware...so what in the Hell caused those symptoms of people purporting to have been infected with the "flu?"  

Again, it doesn't matter WHAT flu virus is in question because Ebola is a completely different organism in both form and function, and I really do thank Jenny for bringing this to the attention of everyone who has read this so far.

She and I dis-agree on several issues, but being as honest as I am, I give credit where credit is due.  The main issue of contention involves the entire issue of viral organisms and their functions in disease, but again...I simply do not know enough to say anything more than my OPINION, but on this issue that Jenny has raised, it demands a very serious explanation as to how a "flu virus of ANY strain" can manifest those symptoms as they are described; as far as I am concerned, they can't.

LINDSEY

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER?

Wilson and colleagues set out to assess the risk.
An avian influenza could transform into a disease
contagious among humans in one of two ways.
It could evolve through mutations—and infectious
viruses are constantly mutating. Or, in a case where
a person is infected with a human flu and the bird
flu at the same time, the two viruses could swap
genes—reassort—creating a new flu variation.
Collaborating with the Consortium for Functional
Glycomics, led by Scripps Research Professor
James Paulson, Wilson and colleagues compared a
number of avian and human viruses, including rare
samples from the 1918 influenza outbreak, to gauge
how adapted various avian influenza strains are for
entering human cells.
To do this, they used a new technology developed
by the Consortium for Functional Glycomics
called a glycan array, a grid of sugars resembling
those found on the outside of human cells. This enabled
the researchers to look at the specificity with
which the influenza proteins bind to these sugars.
By including closely related recombinant forms of
these proteins in the study, the team was able to
identify specific amino acid changes responsible for
shifting the influenza virus's specificity.
"It would appear that two mutations could
change the specificity dramatically going from
avian to human for the 1918 virus," Wilson noted
in January, when the study was published in the
Journal of Molecular Biology.
In March, in collaboration with the Centers for
Disease Control, the researchers followed up with a
paper in the journal Science describing a specific
possible pathway that could enable a particularly
virulent subtype of the H5N1 virus, isolated from a
10-year-old Vietnamese boy who succumbed to the
infection in 2004, "to gain a foothold in the human
population."

The paper showed that a relatively small
number of mutations to the hemagglutinin gene—
the "H" in the H5N1—resulted in partial switching
of the binding site preference of the avian virus
from receptors in the intestinal tract of birds to the
respiratory tract of humans.
"The potential for the emergence of a humanadapted
H5 virus, either by re-assortment or mutation,
is a clear threat to public health worldwide,"
said Wilson. "One piece of good news, however, is
the glycan array could prove invaluable in the field
for monitoring signs that bird flu has developed the
capability of crossing the species barrier."
While the avian flu was the big story for Wilson
this year, his lab has been making significant
contributions to a wide variety of basic and applied
topics. In February, in collaboration with Scripps
Research Professor Kim Janda (see article, page 6),
the lab shed light on a cocaine-degrading monoclonal
antibody Fab' fragment, important for the
chain of events that breaks cocaine into nontoxic
pieces. The Wilson group also recently solved several
crucial immune system structures, including
TLR3 and CD1a.
And, in other notable work, the lab has made
key contributions to the effort to develop an AIDS
vaccine (see Winter 2003 Endeavor story, "It Had
to Work"). Collaborating with Scripps Research
Professor Dennis Burton, who heads a scientific
consortium of the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative,
the team has now helped solve the structure
of three antibodies—b12, 2G12, and 4E10—that effectively
neutralize human immunodeficiency virus
(HIV), the virus that causes AIDS. The huge potential
public health impact of this work, published in
2001, 2003, and 2005, is still being played out.

http://www.scripps.edu/news/endeavor/en ... end9_3.pdf

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Looks like the Israeli's are playing around with these Vaccines in depth. Not good.

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"Therapy Against Serious Side Effects Of Smallpox Vaccine"
 March 24, 2006

Smallpox is considered a potential terrorist weapon, but millions of people in the United States are currently advised not to get a vaccine to the disease because they are susceptible to developing a severe adverse reaction. Researchers at National Jewish Medical and Research Center report in the March issue of Immunity that a deficiency in the innate immune response may pre-dispose patients with atopic dermatitis, or eczema, to developing the skin condition eczema vaccinatum after vaccination. The findings suggest potential therapeutic targets, which may reduce the risk of this devastating side effect.

"I believe these findings could have a significant impact on our ability to vaccinate individuals with eczema and better protect them against potential bio-terrorist attacks involving smallpox," said Michael Howell, Ph.D., first author of the report and Instructor of Pediatrics at National Jewish Medical and Research Center. "We identify potential therapies, which should be further tested to determine if they can effectively and safely protect susceptible patients against eczema vaccinatum."

Eczema vaccinatum occurs when the vaccinia virus, which is currently used for the smallpox vaccine, replicates uncontrollably and circulates through the entire body. Eczema vaccinatum kills 1 to 6 percent of those affected. Up to 30 percent of children younger than 2 years of age with the disease die. It is also possible that atopic dermatitis patients can develop eczema vaccinatum even if they don't get the vaccine, but come into close personal contact with people who recently received the vaccine.

Approximately 17 percent of children in the United States are diagnosed with atopic dermatitis, suggesting that close to 50 million people in the United States face an increased risk of eczema vaccinatum following the smallpox vaccine. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control currently recommends that individuals with atopic dermatitis, and those who come into close contact with them, do not receive the live vaccine due to potential adverse reactions. This accounts for approximately 50% of the population in the United States. In case of an actual smallpox outbreak, they would likely receive the vaccine and face the increased risk of developing eczema vaccinatum.

The National Jewish research team, led by Donald Leung, M.D., Ph.D., Edelstein Family Chair of Pediatric Allergy-Immunology, had previously reported that atopic dermatitis patients have lower levels of disease-fighting antimicrobial peptides in their skin than people without the disease. They also reported that one particular antimicrobial peptide, called LL-37, could kill vaccinia virus when it is grown in cell culture.

In their current report, the researchers found that lower levels of LL-37 in the skin of patients with atopic dermatitis did indeed allow the uncontrolled growth of vaccinia virus. Skin cells from atopic dermatitis patients failed to increase LL-37 production in response to the vaccinia virus infection, while skin cells from healthy controls and patients with the skin disease psoriasis samples did ramp up LL-37 production. When the researchers added LL-37 to the infected atopic dermatitis skin cells, vaccinia virus growth slowed significantly.

"It is becoming increasingly clear how important antimicrobial peptides are in immune defense," said Dr. Leung. "They are part of the fast-acting, innate immune response. Because atopic dermatitis patients fail to mount a vigorous innate response with antimicrobial peptides, vaccinia virus infection gets well established and the slower adaptive immune response cannot eradicate it."

Atopic dermatitis patients have high levels of signaling molecules interleukin-4 (IL-4) and interleukin-13 (IL-13) in their skin. The researchers found that IL-4 and IL-13 inhibited the production of LL-37 in atopic dermatitis patients. When they added antibodies to neutralize the two interleukins, levels of LL-37 rose in atopic dermatitis patients, and the vaccinia virus infection was controlled.

"Antibodies or other drugs that neutralize IL-4 and IL-13 are currently being developed," said Dr. Howell. "We think they should be evaluated as potential therapies that could be given at the same time as the smallpox vaccine as protection against potentially fatal side effects."

Source: National Jewish Medical and Research Center
http://tumicrobiology.wordpress.com/2006/03/

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Adverse Reactions to Biological Modifiers: TNF-α Antagonists

Authors and Disclosures
TNF-α Antagonists

Inhibiting the actions of TNF-α has proved very effective in the management of early and chronic rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, psoriatic arthritis, and Crohn's disease, see Table 3 and Table 4 . Two agents, etanercept and infliximab, are in common use, both acting as traps for TNF-α, with subsequent clearing of the complexes through the reticular-endothelial system. Etanercept is a fusion protein of two ligand-binding regions of human TNF-α receptor 2 (p75) attached at the hinge region of the Fc fragment of human IgG1. It acts as a competitive inhibitor for TNF-α. Lenercept is a similar fusion protein using the p55 TNF-α receptor protein. Infliximab is a chimeric IgG1 monoclonal antibody directed against TNF-α.[9**]

The most common adverse effect of twice weekly subcutaneous etanercept treatment is an injection site reaction, seen in up to 42% of patients, usually during the first month of therapy and declining thereafter.[11,12] In a biopsy study in 2001, Zeltser and coworkers[13] defined the immunological make-up of these injection site reactions. There was perivascular cuffing without evidence of leukocytoclastic vasculitis. Infiltration was predominantly by activated cytotoxic T lymphocytes (HLA-DR+/CD3+/CD4-/CD8+) with a moderate number of degranulating eosinophils. Biopsy of a recall injection reaction site showed strong HLA-DR expression by keratinocytes. Werth and Levinson[11] pointed out that most delayed hypersensitivity reactions show predominant CD4 T cells rather than CD8 T cells, and those that do have a CD8 response may be triggered by haptens such as dinitrolchlorobenzene and urushiol. The waning of the reactions suggests tolerance or desensitization. Although not seen in the study by Zeltser et al.,[13] leukocytoclastic vasculitis has been reported occurring 2 weeks after the institution of etanercept.[14] Pruritic urticarial lesions distant from injection sites have also been described.[15]

As commented on by Day,[10] initial 6-month trials of etanercept in 323 patients revealed that 11% became ANA positive, with only 1.6% developing anti-dsDNA antibodies, and none developed clinical symptoms of lupus erythematosus. Shakoor and colleagues[16] reported four cases of etanercept-associated lupus erythematosus. Three were ANA positive, three anti-dsDNA, three anti-histone (one only anti-histone antibody positive), and one with anti-Sm, anti-RNP, and hypocomplementemia as well. All symptoms resolved within 2-6 weeks of discontinuation of etanercept.

Peno-Green and colleagues[17] described a case of malaise, cough, and dyspnea on exertion, associated with microscopic hematuria, creatinine of 2.0, and a non-pruritic plantar rash after 2 months of etanercept therapy. A transbronchial biopsy showed peribronchial and parenchymal non-caseating granuloma with polarized birefringent particles. Tissue stains for acid-fast bacilli, fungi, and parasites were all negative. Mycobacterium avium-intracellulare complex was isolated from bronchoalveolar lavage after 4 weeks of incubation. A skin biopsy of an acute lesion also showed non-caseating granuloma with birefringent particles. Symptoms stabilized with etanercept discontinuation, and improved dramatically with prednisone initiation, which was continued for 4 weeks. Abnormalities on high-resolution chest computed tomography scan took a year to resolve totally.

Neurological complications have been reported with TNF-α receptor fusion proteins. Lenercept was withdrawn from clinical trials because of the increased duration and severity of multiple sclerosis.[10,18] Day[10] cited four cases of demyelinization with etanercept, which resolved with discontinuation, and two cases after infliximab. Transient aseptic meningitis has been reported with infliximab.[19]

Like etanercept, lupus-like syndromes have been reported with the use of infliximab. Lipsky and associates[20] reported on a one-year trial of infliximab plus methotrexate versus methotrexate alone in 428 rheumatoid arthritis patients. Antinuclear antibodies developed in 53-68% of the infliximab group versus 26% of controls, and 7-10% developed anti-dsDNA antibodies compared with none of the controls. One patient in the infliximab group developed a cutaneous rash.

Baert and colleagues[21*] monitored 125 consecutive patients receiving infliximab infusions for fistula-forming or refractory Crohn's disease for the development of antibodies against the agent. None had specific antibodies at baseline, over 40% developed antibodies after the first infusion, and by the fifth infusion 61% did so. Further infusions did not raise the percentage higher. The presence of antibodies was associated with a higher incidence of infusion reactions, and poorer clinical response. The use of immunosuppressive agents such as azathioprine, mercaptopurine, or methotrexate was associated with a lower incidence and lower titers of antibody. Corticosteroids or mesalamine had no impact on the development of specific antibodies.

A report on the use of infliximab in 57 children and adolescents with Crohn's disease revealed 35 reactions in 361 infusions.[22] Risk factors for reactions with the second infusion were female sex and immunosuppressive therapy for less than 4 months. A reaction at the second infusion increased the likelihood of a reaction with the third. Cheifetz and associates[23] characterized infusion reactions in 165 consecutive Crohn's disease patients receiving 479 infliximab infusions. Reactions occurred in 29 out of 479 infusions (6.1%), affecting 9.7% of patients. Delayed reactions occurred in three infusions. Acute reactions were mild in 15, moderate in six, and severe in five. All responded to treatment, and further events were prevented with prophylactic therapy except for a single patient sustaining a second severe reaction. Serum tryptase was negative in 14 reactions occurring in 11 patients, suggesting a non-IgE mechanism.

A review of the Mayo Clinic experience was published by Colombel and co-workers in 2004.[24*] Thirty patients (6%) suffered serious adverse reactions that were felt to be related to infliximab. Acute infusion reactions occurred in 3.8% of patients. A serum sickness-like syndrome occurred in 19 patients, and was attributed to infliximab in 14 (2.8%). Three patients developed drug-induced lupus, and one a demyelinating disease. Forty-one (8.2%) had infectious complications attributed to the drug, 20 were considered serious: two fatal sepsis; eight pneumonias, two fatal; six viral infections; two surgery-requiring abdominal abscesses; one arm cellulites; and one histoplasmosis. Nine patients had malignancy, with three possibly related to the drug. Ten patients died, half (1%) were felt possibly to be related to infliximab.

Recently, Feletar and co-workers[25] reported on the use of infliximab in a 12-month trial in 16 patients with refractory psoriatic arthritis, 11 of whom remained on methotrexate. Although the drug showed clinical efficacy, 31% stopped treatment because of adverse events: three with liver toxicity (two with concomitant methotrexate therapy), and two with allergic reactions, one severe (urticaria, chest tightness and shortness of breath). In addition, six patients suffered infectious complications: two pneumonias, one each of septic arthritis, epididymitis, perichronditis, and a surgical site abscess in a digit (interestingly, surgery was performed 2 years previously). Eight patients seroconverted an ANA, and six became anti-dsDNA positive. No patients developed clinical features of a connective tissue disorder.

Several adverse skin reactions have been described with infliximab. Interestingly, as infliximab has been used for psoriatic arthritis, there is a report of psoriasiform lichenoid dermatitis in a patient with Crohn's disease after the second and third infliximab infusions.[26] Other cutaneous reactions reported with infliximab include leukocytoclastic vasculitis, lichenoid drug reaction, perniosis-like eruption, granuloma annulare, and acute folliculitis.[27]

Foeldvari and associates[28] described a case of acute cholecystitis after etanercept therapy, which remitted with discontinuation. Symptoms recurred after the institution of infliximab. Initial gall bladder puncture revealed no infectious agents, nor did an ultimate cholecystectomy.

TNF-α antagonists are frequently given in consort with disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs. Whether such combinations may suppress or augment adverse reactions is an open issue. In the case of immunosuppressive agents, as mentioned above, such therapy may diminish the development of antibodies, and thus infusion reactions.[21*] Leflunomide is an inhibitor of de novo pyrimidine synthesis.[9**] It has been implicated in a Stevens-Johnson type of severe erythema multiforme reaction.[29] A recent report collected multicenter data on combination therapy of leflunomide and infliximab in 88 rheumatoid arthritis patients.[30] Adverse events were in keeping with known risks of the individual agents. Infusion reactions with infliximab were uncommon (0.7%). Two patients developed rashes. Ten infections occurred, of which nine resolved, and one, bacterial pneumonia with acute respiratory disease, resulted in death. Viral infections were minor, requiring famciclovir for a case of shingles, and no therapy for four others with 'flu or upper respiratory infection. The remaining bacterial infections required hospitalization.

As TNF-α is a central cytokine in the inflammatory response to infection and in immune surveillance, its antagonism could lead to the increased incidence of serious infection or malignancy. As reviewed by Day in 2002,[10] however, clinical trials and open-label follow-ups of etanercept accounting for 4794 patient-years revealed a serious infection rate (requiring hospitalization or intravenous antibiotics) of 0.04 per patient-year of exposure, which was identical to the control group in the clinical trials. Similarly, 41 cancers developed, compared with 42 expected on the basis of US national cancer statistics. Furthermore, as of the fall of 2001, 13 cases of tuberculosis in patients on etanercept were reported, primarily from eastern Europe. This was marginally higher than the 11 age-matched cases expected. Day[10] stated that it was plausible and likely that TNF-α inhibitory therapy would unmask latent tuberculosis, and that patients with risk factors should be screened for infection and possibly treated prophylactically for tuberculosis before TNF-α blocker therapy.[10] Not unexpectedly then, Gómez-Reino and coworkers[31**] reported in 2003 an increased risk of active tuberculosis in 1540 Spanish rheumatoid arthritis patients on infliximab or etanercept. A national database (BIOBADASER) had been initiated in February 2000 for the follow-up of rheumatic disease patients on biological modifiers. After 2 years, 1540 patients were enrolled, and another 61 patients had retrospective data collected. There were 1578 drug initiations, 86% of these were infliximab and 14% were etanercept; in 38 cases one drug was started after the discontinuation of the other. Therapy was stopped in 14% of patients as a result of adverse reactions: infections in 118 patients, cutaneous reactions in 44, and infusion reactions to infliximab in 31. Lower respiratory tract infections occurred in 21% of patients, skin infections in 13%, urinary tract in 11%, and upper respiratory in 9%. Ten patients developed sepsis. Organisms included Mycobacterium tuberculosis in 17 patients, herpes zoster in eight, Staphylococcus in five, Salmonella in four, and undisclosed bacteria in 15. The incidence of tuberculosis was 1893 per 100 000 in 2000, and 1113 per 100 000 in 2001; the background incidence of tuberculosis in Spain in 2000 was 21 per 100 000. Rheumatoid arthritis patients not on TNF-α inhibitors had an incidence of 95 per 100 000. It is therefore obvious that the risk of activating latent tuberculosis in this susceptible population is increased over a hundred-fold with the use of TNF-α inhibitors.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/484535_3

[Jenny Lake]

Guinea Pigs!!....for medical treatment. That's what we are.

Around year 2000, an experimental patch (involving tens of thousands of acres) of genetically modified corn was planted in Illinois. The butterflies that fed on it died. What did 'they' do next? They expanded the experiment to millions of acres!!
Isn't it enough to know that this is one incredible record-breaking expanded experiment?....that the 'evil' of Public Health medicine was accepted over a century ago....and people fall for this over and over and over.

[LatinAmericanview]

Around year 2000, an experimental patch (involving tens of thousands of acres) of genetically modified corn was planted in Illinois. The butterflies that fed on it died. What did 'they' do next? They expanded the experiment to millions of acres!!

Assuming this real information. Have you ever considered that was the purpose of the experiment?

[Jenny Lake]

Assuming this real information. Have you ever considered that was the purpose of the experiment?

Assume you're asking if I considered that this was a type of Round-up Ready corn, where the plant generates its own pesticide?...yes. And this is where we are in genetic 'medicine' as well, although I sincerely doubt that this pandemic would be a large-scale experiment for that, meaning I don't believe WE are going to be tested on producing our own internal VACCINE....but hey, this is around the corner. Livestock experimentation is on track to genetically modify animals to self-perform chemotherapy.

Simple answers work better here for me. Curiosity-driven research is reaching a zenith. We just have to look at it. The chemical medical research, imo, has undertaken to learn from "destroying" life how to "create" and protect life. We give the medical establishment far too much credit for having a solid understanding of how biology works. This is a 'dual-use' operation in many respects, pretending here for a moment that I can see it 'their' way. It will kill a percentage of the population. A larger percentage than the immediate deaths will result in serious chronic disease and cancer. So the population 'thins', a new crop of patients is created, mandated treatment becomes the standard law of the land, curiosity-driven research continues as 'demand' for more new treatments escalate....infertility skyrockets, as it seems to me it must and human numbers will be reduced at that much faster a pace. In other words, NO CHANGE, just more of the same train-wreck.

As long as we accept ANY FORM of the pharm franchise treatment scheme, we willingly participate in this ongoing experiment.

[LordLindsey]

I'll ask the same question that I have asked several times before now:  Where is humanity's self-preservation instinct?  There is MORE than enough evidence to show that everything that is happening is orchestrated and intentional, but nothing ever changes.  I am asking a very serious question, once again, and I really want someone to give me a straight answer to this because there is no longer any way that humanity-at-large can say that all of these things are "coincidence."

Chemtrails, radiated food, bio-engineering of food, obscene crimes against the people, complete dumbing-down of the population, open-ranged bio-warfare against humanity-in-general, wars started over PROVEN lies, endless abuses by those in-power of their offices and positions, the complete and utter destruction of the planet's money supply and the wealth and treasure of the individual and family, and on and on and on and on and fucking on it goes with no end in sight.

AGAIN...I want someone to explain to all of us how the natural self-preservation instincts of humanity have been utterly disabled, because there is no one who can tell me that this is not the case; all of us here want someone to explain HOW this could have possibly happened in literally just a generation because people are NOT the same as they were 20-30 years ago.

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

Gandhi said, "Be the Change you wish to see in the world".
take it from a sage.

[abduLMaria]

Where is humanity's self-preservation instinct?

it's been subsumed by the need to look cool and the oft-lamented American Idol fixation.

also a lot of people that are aware of corruption in their organizations who could become whistleblowers & speak up for the right thing, instead take the easy choice.

add in a US Congress whose priority is Israel & other business groups ... or similar behavior in many other Western countries.

sometimes i wonder if one of the purposes of SSRI anti-depressants is to make people acquiescent to their own destruction, or the destruction of others.

in short, the original question would take a book or encyclopedia to answer.

[Ognir]

Let's give this a little bump after 12 years


Video from September 9th, 2009

https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/%F0%9F%94%B4%E2%98%A0%EF%B8%8F%F0%9F%94%B4(Must-Watch)The-Truth-about-Global-Genocide---Poisoned-Vaccines-(JANE-B%C3%9CRGERMEISTER):9?