Sidonian Canaanites from the city of the Mercantile King

[Anonymous]

seems to be another Masonic hoax

Bad Archaeology is the brainchild of a couple of archaeologists who are fed up with the distorted view of the past that passes for knowledge in popular culture. We are unhappy that books written by people with no knowledge of real archaeology dominate the shelves at respectable bookshops. We do not appreciate news programmes that talk about ley lines (for example) as if they are real.

In short, we are Angry Archaeologists!

http://www.badarchaeology.net/index.php

http://www.flavinscorner.com/fellegypt.htm

I was drawn to the site after searching for Phonecian evidence in the americas

http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/paraiba.php

His translation of the stone runs: "We are Sidonian Canaanites from the city of the Mercantile King. We were cast up on this distant shore, a land of mountains. We sacrificed a youth to the celestial gods and goddesses in the nineteenth year of our mighty King Hiram and embarked from Ezion-geber into the Red Sea. We voyaged with ten ships and were at sea together for two years around Africa. Then we were separated by the hand of Baal and were no longer with our companions. So we have come here, twelve men and three women, into New Shore. Am I, the Admiral, a man who would flee? Nay! May the celestial gods and goddesses favour us well!"

[Anonymous]

http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=tMU ... ry_s&cad=0

[Anonymous]

Mexico's 10 commandments

There is a fascinating old site some few miles west of a little town called Los Lunas in New Mexico. The site has been known as "Mystery Mountain" by the locals for many years.

http://www.mhccorp.com/archaeology/deca ... ction.html

Stealing the Phoenicians history as their own

LOL DC = David's Capital - See audio above from Israeli radio

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/lost10tribes.html

It has long been known that Carthage was founded by the "Phoenicians." We know it as Carthage because of the Greco-Roman term for it. Its original name was Hebrew. Many historians have commented on the Hebrew nature of Carthage�s "Punic" language and customs. Carthage began as an Israelite colony, and received numerous Israelite refugees when Israel fell. The Greeks wrote that Carthage had a secret colony west of the Atlantic to which they sent large expeditions of colonists, and many Carthaginian inscriptions and artifacts have been found in North America. This chapter examines connections between the Carthaginians and the civilizations of ancient America (including the pyramids and human sacrifices of the Mayans). Carthage was very rich and almost destroyed Rome under Hannibal, but moral degeneracy led to its collapse.

[Anonymous]

Israeli Radio part 1

Israeli radio part 2

[Anonymous]

Christ in North America?  pg1, pg2, pg3, pg4, pg5, pg6

[Anonymous]

http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art150.htm

the seafaring Phoenicians, the greatest traders of their time, were moving beyond the Strait of Gibralter to trade with Cornwall (to exploit its tin mines) and, it is thought, to navigate around Africa. There is a theory that they also reached America. Their trading colonies in western Sicily were founded around 800 BC and included Motia and Solunto as well as what are now Marsala and Palermo. When the Phoenicians' descendants, the Carthaginians, re-populated these coastal settlements three centuries later, the result was open conflict with the Greeks and then the Romans (leading to the Punic Wars)

phoinikes - the red people

From phoinix; palm-country; Phoenice (or Phoenicia), a region of Palestine -- Phenice, Phenicia.

The Greeks called them the phoinikes, which means the "red people"—a name that became Phoenicians

maybe like the red mummy's of China

[Anonymous]

It occurs to me that the story of the tower of babel represents the break up of an empire

from the book of Jubilees which uses a different calendar

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jub/

The Tower of Babel and the Confusion of Tongues (x. 18-27; cf. Gen. xi. 1-9).

18. And in the three and thirtieth jubilee, in the first year in the second week, Peleg took to himself a wife, whose name was Lômnâ the daughter of Sînâ'ar, and she bare him a son in the fourth year of this week, and he called his name Reu; 2 for he said: "Behold the children of men have become evil 3 through the wicked purpose of building for themselves a city and a tower in the land of Shinar." 19. For they departed from the land of Ararat eastward to Shinar; for in his days they built the city and the tower, saying, "Go to, let us ascend thereby into heaven." 4 20. And they began to build, and in the fourth week they made brick with fire, and the bricks served them for stone, and the clay 5 with which they cemented them together was asphalt which cometh out of the sea, and out of the fountains of water in the land of Shinar. 21. And they built it: forty and three years were they building it; its
1645-1688 A.M.

p. 82

breadth was 203 bricks, and the height (of a brick) was the third of one; its height amounted to 5433 cubits and 2 palms, and (the extent of one wall was) thirteen stades (and of the other thirty stades). 22. And the Lord our God said unto us: "Behold, they are one people, and (this) they begin to do, and now nothing will be withholden from them. Go to, let us go down and confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech, 1 and they may be dispersed into cities and nations, and one purpose will no longer abide with them till the day of judgment." 23. And the Lord descended, and we descended with Him to see the city and the tower which the children of men had built. 24. And He confounded their language, and they no longer understood one another's speech, and they ceased then to build the city and the tower. 25. For this reason the whole land of Shinar is called Babel, because the Lord did there confound all the language of the children of men, and from thence they were dispersed 2 into their cities, each according to his language and his nation. 3 26. And the Lord sent a mighty wind 4 against the tower and overthrew it upon the earth, and behold it was between Asshur and Babylon in the land of Shinar, and they called its name
1688 A.M.
"Overthrow." 5 27. In the fourth week in the first year in the beginning thereof in the four and thirtieth jubilee, were they dispersed from the land of Shinar.

[Anonymous]

What if the Merchant of Venice should actually be the merchant of Phoenicia?

Steles =An upright stone or slab with an inscribed or sculptured surface, used as a monument or as a commemorative tablet in the face of a building.

or obelisk
Bill - Archeology of freemasons

A Neglected Civilization Gets Its Due in Venice

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96E948260

LEAD: The Palazzo Grassi museum has opened what it calls the largest exhibition ever dedicated to the Phoenicians, presenting these ancient people as a remarkable civilization that embraced the Mediterranean's varied cultural currents.

The Palazzo Grassi museum has opened what it calls the largest exhibition ever dedicated to the Phoenicians, presenting these ancient people as a remarkable civilization that embraced the Mediterranean's varied cultural currents.

Just beyond the ticket counter the palazzo's monumental atrium has been filled with a representation of a giant, red-ocher sand dune. Marble sarcophagi jut out of the ''sand,'' their lids cracked open. The show's organizers say this startling first impression announces the exhibition's inspiration in recent archeological discoveries. It also announces an intent to raise from the dead a people that lived a millennium from the days of the Old Testament's Canaan to the Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage.

With more than 1,000 objects on display from museums and private collections in 11 countries, the Palazzo Grassi show is billed as the first general exhibition that examines the Phoenicians' full geographical scope, from Lebanon to Spain, as well as all aspects of their culture from celestial navigation to human sacrifice, said Dr. Sabatino Moscati, the scientific director. The show at Palazzo Grassi, which is owned and subsidized by Fiat S.p.A., the automobile company, will be open until Nov. 6.

The exhibition gathers materials from major discoveries, which Dr. Moscati said ''have transformed our knowledge of the Phoenician world in the last 25 years.'' Among the most important sites are the complete Punic city found at Kerkouane in Tunisia and a sanctuary at Motya, Sicily, that has provided more than 1,000 steles and statues. A 'More Accurate View'

Few history textbooks teach much about the Phoenicians thaN their invention of the first phonetic alphabet and the virtual disappearance of their civilization after the Romans destroyed Carthage in 146 B.C. Dr. Moscati believes this exhibition offers ''a new and more accurate view of the ancient Mediterranean,'' in which the Phoenicians are finally given their due.

''They were a major civilization that produced an original synthesis, bringing many Oriental elements into the Mediterranean,'' Dr. Moscati said in an interview. ''Even though they ended as the vanquished, not the victors, they exercised an influence we still feel today.''

Objects over three floors of the 18th-century palazzo attest to the Phoenicians' Middle Eastern origins on the Lebanese coast and their interactions with European and African cultures encountered on other shores. The synthesis Dr. Moscati extols is dramatically evident in objects like a second-century B. C. terra cotta statue of a female deity found in Tunisia: it looks Hellenic from feet to shoulders but is topped by a lion's head of Egyptian inspiration.

The roots of contemporary Western civilization are usually traced to the rational, classical societies of Athens and Rome, but this exhibition repeatedly presents a far more exotic vision of antiquity. Bes, a big-bellied god, looks out of display cases like a fun-house monster. Many steles are covered with stark abstract designs, while many reliefs depict a winged sphinx and other fantastic creatures. Precursors of the Venetians

''This is a culture very different from our own, but it is one that we must confront in order to understand ourselves,'' said Dr. Moscati, one of Italy's leading archeologists and president of the Institute for Phoenician and Punic Civilizations at the National Research Council.

The idea for a major exhibition on the Phoenicians has been discussed in Venice for more than a decade, and Dr. Moscati explained that part of the appeal involves viewing them as precursors of the Venetians, who were also Meditarranean sailors, merchants and explorers bridging East and West. After a wave of successful exhibits on the Etruscans, this show appears likely to have a special appeal in Italy, which has increasingly turned its back on the empire-building Romans so exalted by Fascism and which now thinks of itself primarily as an ingenious, cosmopolitan and Mediterranean culture.

[Anonymous]

Now, as to the original Query, "IS Phoenician script being _borrowed_ by
Hebrew ?"

http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-he ... 15906.html

Karl has rightly noted that the earliest inscriptions from Late Bronze Age
times in the area we call Phoenicia, are NOT in an "Alphabetic script," they
are in AKKADIAN CUNEIFORM, or Babylonian script, and date for the most part
from the Amarna era and the world of the Pharaoh who honored the ONE GOD,
the Aten, Pharaoh Akhenaten. The Akkadian script is also in use in Canaan,
letters from the mayors of Canaan are using Akkadian as an international
linga franca (whilst the script is Akkadian the words, however, reveal
Canaanite dialects).

[Anonymous]

The Jewish people's historical claims to a small area of land bordering the eastern Mediterranean are not only the foundation for the modern state of Israel, they are also at the very heart of Judeo-Christian belief. Yet in The Mythic Past, Thomas Thompson argues that such claims are grounded in literary myth, not history. Among the author's startling conclusions are these:• There never was a "united monarch" of Israel in biblical times• We can no longer talk about a time of the Patriarchs• The entire notion of "Israel" and its history is a literary fiction.The Mythic Past provides refreshing new ways to read the Old Testament as the great literature it was meant to be. At the same time, its controversial conclusions about Jewish history are sure to prove incendiary in a worldwide debate about one of the world's seminal texts, and one of its most bitterly contested regions.

The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel
By Thomas L. Thompson
Published by Basic Books, 2000
ISBN 0465006493, 9780465006496
432 pages



    Phoenicia led the way to a wider literacy through the development of the alphabet - Thomas L. Thompson (The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel)

    ...the alphabet that the early Israelites used was and is demonstrably based on the Phoenician's script - Ralph Ellis (Scota: Egyptian Queen of the Scots)

    ...this new Phoenician script became the basis for the later Hebrew, Greek and Latin scripts, and so this aspect of Phoenician culture has become a central component of all Western cultures - ibid

    One of the main reasons why ancient Israel has disappeared from the stage of history is that Israel did not speak Hebrew but Phoenician - Fredrick Haberman (Tracing Our Ancestors)

    The Phoenician legends show that Misor, from whom the Egyptians were descended, was the child of the Phœnician gods Amynus and Magus. Misor gave birth to Taaut, the god of letters, the inventor of the alphabet, and Taaut became Thoth, the god of history of the Egyptians. Sanchoniathon tells us that "Chronos (king of Atlantis) visited the South, and gave all Egypt to the god Taaut, that it might be his kingdom." "Misor" is probably the king "Mestor" named by Plato - Ignatius Donnelly (Atlantis: the Antediluvian World, 1882)

This book is also offered as a pioneer contribution towards a true Universal History of Man from the earliest civilized period founded on concrete Facts, as contrasted with current dogmatic Theories appealing to tradition and prejudice, and often it is to be feared designed in the interest of those who profit by the maintenance of Error - Professor L. A. Waddell (Preface: The Makers of Civilization)

[Anonymous]

The Plan

    The Hypothesis
    A group of nominal Jews and agnostic Israeli archaeologists (inspired by Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology Department at Tel Aviv University, who, with archaeology historian and journalist Neil Asher Silberman, published a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text.") introduced to the forum an idea which, in short, claims that the Hebrews were never enslaves in Egypt and there was no Exodus to the "Promised Land". Further, they claimed that the Hebrews were actually Canaanite and that Judaism was a product of ideas borrowed from Canaanite faith systems along with an imported but adapted concept of one god. That is the heretic Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaton's concept of monotheism that dismissed all Egyptian deities in favor of a single god, the sun god Ra.

    The Socio-Political Agenda
    Once these people established the heresy in their own minds, they started preaching that the Hebrews were Phoenician Canaanites. Along with that came all the credits that used to be attributed to the Phoenician Canaanites. These well-known credits include invention of the alphabet, colonizing the Mediterranean, circumnavigating Africa, trade, architecture, arts and crafts...etc. In a way, these confused archaeologists claimed a superior origin for their people along with loads of great achievements instead of the enslavement in Egypt.

    There are variances and additional historical heresies to be mentioned but there is no place for them in this article.

The Problem

    If the claim is true why is there a problem?

    Religious Impact
    The fundamentals of Judaism were laid down by Moses in his Pentateuch, first five books of the Bible. These include the Ten Commandments which he received on Mount Sinai during the Children of Israel's Exodus from Egypt; the Ark which was made to house the Commandment; the Tabernacle (later to become the Temple in Jerusalem) which was made to house the Ark; and, last but not least, the Promised Land in Canaan to which he was leading his people. Thereafter, everything that related to the settlement of the Children of Israel in Canaan as their Promised Land of "milk and honey" was included the-things-to-go. Hence, the hypothesis torpedoed the fundamentals of Judaism the Judeo-Christian tradition.

    Political Impact
    When the fundamentals of the Jewish faith are undermined by negating the basis of Judaism what happens to the Israel and its claim on the Promised Land? The answer is not hard to figure out. If Judaism is nothing more than Phoenician Canaanite paganism with an Egyptian concepts of one God and there is no truth in the enslavement in Egypt, the Exodus, the Ten Commandment, the Ark, the Tabernacle, the Temple and the Promised Land; the claim of the Israeli people to the Holy Land has no place as a political concept. It is a stab in the back for the Jewish faith and Zionism at the same time.

    The logic, or lack of it, of this heresy assumes indirectly that Jews have no right to "RETURN" to a land which supposedly was never promised by anybody.

    In short, these heretic archaeologists do not realize that they are playing with fire in their hypothesis and "are cutting their noses to spite their faces," -- a very trite but appropriate expression.

full article:

http://www.phoenicia.org/steal.html


This guy is funny.

The Semites
Bible fanatics continue to shamefully write to me on the Phoenicians being the "cursed" descendent of Shem using the Bible as supporting "evidence." This claim is completely unfounded. The term Semites is applied to a group of people who inhabited the Levant and spoke similar languages but were not necessarily of the same or identical ethnic origin -- Arabs, Israelis, Phoenicians, Arameans, Syriac ...etc. The expression is derived from the mythical Biblical "table" of nations & the descendants of the fictional character Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham or Japheth. The term Semite does not have any historical origin. It came into use at the end of the 18th century* & thereafter became a standard technical term. Like many other common mistakes -- such as lumping all the peoples of the Middle East into one pan-Arab group -- the term Semite was adopted & used without denoting true ethnicity. The same applies to Hamites & Japhethites.

[Anonymous]

The Jewish people's historical claims to a small area of land bordering the eastern Mediterranean are not only the foundation for the modern state of Israel, they are also at the very heart of Judeo-Christian belief. Yet in The Mythic Past, Thomas Thompson argues that such claims are grounded in literary myth, not history. Among the author's startling conclusions are these:• There never was a "united monarch" of Israel in biblical times• We can no longer talk about a time of the Patriarchs• The entire notion of "Israel" and its history is a literary fiction.The Mythic Past provides refreshing new ways to read the Old Testament as the great literature it was meant to be. At the same time, its controversial conclusions about Jewish history are sure to prove incendiary in a worldwide debate about one of the world's seminal texts, and one of its most bitterly contested regions.

The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel
By Thomas L. Thompson
Published by Basic Books, 2000
ISBN 0465006493, 9780465006496
432 pages



    Phoenicia led the way to a wider literacy through the development of the alphabet - Thomas L. Thompson (The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel)

BUY THE BOOK!  It is very good and has some very good conclusions about our Biblically based 'past'.  Analyzing the recurring motifs from many books of the Bible, as prophetic tools, and rehashing of important memes/motifs over and over; the theological notion of divine will to govern over 'flawed' human will and the punishment for 'Israel' when it would disobey, all as a lesson to surrender human will to a self-perceived/created divine will for those who accepted the 'teachings' of the certain books of the OT that existed at that time; the explanation of where the exile myths come from, i.e. Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian conquests and the rulers desire to quell conflicts by forcing mass migrations of people within the empire, and then later being so 'noble' as to return people to their original homelands... which they weren't, it was just more shuffling around of peoples!

There is more that I cannot recall off the bat.

Thanks savage for these posts!  I'll post later tonight with some info on the development of written languages.

[high_treason]

Carthage were Hebrews? Do you know what they were like?

A little glimpse in to Carthage religious ceremonies....they worshipped many gods as many other civilizations at the time, but what was most significant about them, was that even made the Romans cringe and call them barbarians was the fact that they sacrificed their Children everyday at the alter to their prime god Bhaal, to the point were they had a very weak military and relied mostly on mercenaries until their fall to the Romans. So if they were Hebrew and not Phonician or Trojan as many others speculated then It means they are still here amongst us only this sacrificing other people's children....Evolution is a bitch!