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[Papillon]

I also posted this on the Khanverse and the old TIU forum.

Dear readers,

I am from the Netherlands and it all started with Loose Change in february last year, I immediately realized the sheer impossibility of 'Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld controlling the whole world & all media', also I found the movie utterly sensational and its music highly annoying! I started with David Icke, went to Jones, Maxwell Jordan, Rense, the Vatican gimmick etc. until (after a mere 3 months) I somewhere hit on DBS site and then I found Eric & Bollyn. My mind was purged within 30 minutes and all pieces fell into place, Freedman was very shocking to me; since then I'm learning more & more. In my own country quite a lot happens since 2002 (Geert Wilders, T. van Gogh, P. Fortuyn, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc.) but by far most people are too bottled up in the pro Israel/ anti Muslim propaganda. Now we have the Geert Wilders movie story but my impression is that the Muslims in our country are smart enough to understand the situation for they carefully avoid fights & clashes, also by far most of the Dutch Goy are getting fed up with Wilders; perhaps & after all it turns out to be a 1 April joke and there is no movie at all!? I am glad with this forum because I have nobody to exchange thoughts here, I have tried but given up after I found I am only but only descrediting myself in the eyes of others for they think I'm a conspiray nut or antisemit. What I do is posting on forums but most people stick to their New Age stuff.

Keep your pecker up folks, Papillon.

[Ognir]

Welcome (again)

[Anonymous]

Welcome, Papillon!

I went through the exact metamorphosis and wound up here at TiU.  I live in the southern U.S. where everyone is pro-israel as well as Christian fundamentalists which are heavily pro-israel.  It is so annoying.  No one thinks for themselves, they just roll along with the tide of those higher above.  Not me.  As a result, I have no one, either, to exchange ideas with.  Even my family thinks I am a nut.  Well, all I can say is they are about to find out.

Glad you're here.  Keep your chin up.  The right will prevail, of that, I am certain.

~WW~

[Papillon]

Thanks WW and Ognir. Living among useful idiots and people that suffer from 'stationary infantilism', is a pretty hard and lonesome task! But I always comfort myself by thinking 'the truth will set you free' and I see my selfconfidence, mental strengtht have improved since last year when I finally found the right track. I feel stronger now, despite that I am still working to 're-invent myself', as described in my post on Psychoanalysis see
http://khanverse.com/phorum/viewtopic.p ... illon#p835

Papillon.

[Rockclimber]

Welcome Papillon, sounds like you found the right place.

[mastermg]

Welcome back Papillon!

[germanberserk]

hello everyone new to the boards heard about this joint on you tube or moneytube from worldwar3news

[Rockclimber]

hello everyone new to the boards heard about this joint on you tube or moneytube from worldwar3news

Welcome germanberserk

[oldsoul]

About Wilders, I think there are forces trying to demonize him, just like they did with Fortuyn. If it hadn't been for our own media and government, who have been screaming worst case scenarios before his film was released, it wouldn't have gotten all the (international) negative attention. Like Wilders said, it's like they were creating a "self-fulfilling prophecy".

Here a short lowdown for the people who are not familiar with the situation and would like to know more:
Wilders is a popular right-wing politician in the Netherlands who is known for making bold and controversial statements about Muslims & Islam. He however is not the typical established politician, he opposes the establishment, this makes him (and Fortuyn who got shot and died, before him) populair with a part of the Dutch people but unpopular in the political system. Now before the film was released our current prime minister, Balkenende (better known as Dutch Harry Potter, however his innocence remains only in his appearance), leader of the main party in our current & previous cabinet, the CDA (the main Christian party, typical establishment), that OK'd support for "liberating" Afghanistan & Iraq, kept warning the public for grave dangers after the release of Wilders' film, Fitna. Media blew this up, it got worldwide attention. Even the "secret service" (AIVD) here released statements about signs of danger. It was like the typical government induced terror tactics we have been dealing with since 9-11. When the film was actually released it didn't cause the disasters Balkenende warned for, the overall reaction of the public & Muslims here has been quite mellow. A debate in the House of Commons followed, in that debate Wilders asked the prime minister apologies for his fearmongering prior to the release of the film. The prime minister in turn said Wilders should apologize, because he, or rather his right-hand CDA member, minister of justice Ballin, had written proof that Wilders literally said he would burn the Khoran in his film, which was the reason for all his warnings and doom scenarios. Wilders denied this, he had never said such a thing and requested to see this "proof", which was supposed to be a report of talks between Wilders & Ballin. Wilders stood his ground and stated the report was false, he accused them of fraud. Besides if the cabinet knew this beforehand, it should have been a reason to forbid Wilders to make and release his film. It was apparent someone was lying and Wilders seemed the less likely one, it also doesn't fit his typical non-establishment straight to the point attitude, however he didn't get any support in the House of Commons at that time. The day after multiple polls showed the majority of the public believes Wilders rather than the CDA. Later a politican from a different party requested an investigation into this matter to find out who's lying, but this request was denied simply because everyone in the House of Commons, except the 9 members of Wilders' party, believed the cabinet. The politician who iniated this request stated he was very discontent about this, because it would contribute to a bad image of our democracy. I'm not a supporter of Wilders, I actually don't support anyone that is involved in our current politics, but a fault in the system was clearly exposed here.
Some recent incidents involving the CDA: having illegal access to the computers of the Dutch press and altering statements in an official report of the House of Commons.

[Papillon]

Dear Oldsoul,

I understand you are Dutch also. Since a year (see my intro above) my attitude to Dutch politics has changed dramatically, I am extremely sceptic & suspicious and during watching TV (Nova, Netwerk, P&W, NOS Journaal etc) I continously wonder 'who is Jewish/who's a crypto (presenting themself as a Christian, Muslim or else)/who's a stooge' etc. and I don't know who is what in Dutch Politics. One thing is for sure, the deception in Holland is very deep & the Dutch government & royal family/ parasits are bought & paid for in their support of Israel, Bush, Holocaustianity etc. and Amsterdam is a Jewish bastion.

Papillon.