WikiLeaks Exposes Video of 2007 'Collateral Murder' In Iraq

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html

WikiLeaks Exposes Video of 2007 'Collateral Murder' In Iraq

Calling it a case of "collateral murder," the WikiLeaks Web site today released harrowing until-now secret video of a U.S. Army Apache helicopter in Baghdad in 2007 repeatedly opening fire on a group of men that included a Reuters photographer and his driver -- and then on a van that stopped to rescue one of the wounded men.

None of the members of the group were taking hostile action, contrary to the Pentagon's initial cover story; they were milling about on a street corner. One man was evidently carrying a gun, though that was and is hardly an uncommon occurrence in Baghdad.

Reporters working for WikiLeaks determined that the driver of the van was a good Samaritan on his way to take his small children to a tutoring session. He was killed and his two children were badly injured.

In the video, which Reuters has been asking to see since 2007, crew members can be heard celebrating their kills.

"Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards," says one crewman after multiple rounds of 30mm cannon fire left nearly a dozen bodies littering the street.

A crewman begs for permission to open fire on the van and its occupants, even though it has done nothing but stop to help the wounded: "Come on, let us shoot!"
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Two crewmen share a laugh when a Bradley fighting vehicle runs over one of the corpses.

And after soldiers on the ground find two small children shot and bleeding in the van, one crewman can be heard saying: "Well, it's their fault bringing their kids to a battle."

The helicopter crew, which was patrolling an area that had been the scene of fierce fighting that morning, said they spotted weapons on members of the first group -- although the video shows one gun, at most. The crew also mistook a telephoto lens for a rocket-propelled grenade.

The shooting, which killed Reuters photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and driver Saeed Chmagh, 40, took place on July 12, 2007, in a southeastern neighborhood of Baghdad.

The next day, the New York Times reported the military's official cover story:

The American military said in a statement late Thursday that 11 people had been killed: nine insurgents and two civilians. According to the statement, American troops were conducting a raid when they were hit by small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. The American troops called in reinforcements and attack helicopters. In the ensuing fight, the statement said, the two Reuters employees and nine insurgents were killed.


    "There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force," said Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad.

The video shows otherwise.

Washington Post reporter David Finkel described the incident -- and the video -- in great detail in his September 2009 book, "The Good Soldiers". A summary can be found here.

Finkel also described a review session after Lt. Col. Ralph Kauzlarich, commander of the Army's 2nd Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment and his soldiers returned to base, which "concluded that everyone had acted appropriately." (Kauzlarich was also involved in the Army's Pat Tillman cover-up, and later told ESPN that the reluctance of Tillman's parents to accept the military's story that he was killed by enemy action, rather than friendly fire, was the unfortunate result of their lack of Christian faith.)

WikiLeaks, a small, independent Web site that invites people to post information and documents that powerful interests would prefer to keep secret, says it received the video and supporting documents from military whistleblowers.

Julian Assange, the editor of the site, said the killings either violated the the army's rules of engagement, or those rules of engagement "are very, deeply wrong."

Unveiling the video at the National Press Club on Monday morning, Assange said the helicopter crew approached its job as if it were a video game, not something involving human lives. Their desire was simply to kill," he said. "Their desire was to get high scores on that computer game."

Reuters released this statement from David Schlesinger, editor-in-chief of Reuters news: "The deaths of Namir Noor-Eldeen and Saeed Chmagh three years ago were tragic and emblematic of the extreme dangers that exist in covering war zones. We continue to work for journalist safety and call on all involved parties to recognise the important work that journalists do and the extreme danger that photographers and video journalists face in particular. The video released today via Wikileaks is graphic evidence of the dangers involved in war journalism and the tragedies that can result."

An Army spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.

[MikeWB]

I saw guys with an RPG and AK-47's. Why is Wikileaks lying?

[Whaler]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12441

In China, Wikileaks is suspected of having Mossad connections. It is pointed out that its first "leak" was from an Al Shabbab "insider" in Somalia. Al Shabbab is the Muslim insurgent group that the neocons have linked to "Al Qaeda."

Asian intelligence sources also point out that Assange's "PhD" is from Moffett University, an on-line diploma mill and that while he is said to hail from Nairobi, Kenya, he actually in from Australia where his exploits have included computer hacking and software piracy.

WMR has confirmed Young's contention that Wikileaks is a CIA front operation. Wikileaks is intimately involved in a $20 million CIA operation that U.S.-based Chinese dissidents that hack into computers in China. Some of the Chinese hackers route special hacking program through Chinese computers that then target U.S. government and military computer systems. After this hacking is accomplished, the U.S. government announces through friendly media outlets that U.S. computers have been subjected to a Chinese cyber-attack. The "threat" increases an already-bloated cyber-defense and offense budget and plays into the fears of the American public and businesses that heavily rely on information technology.

It is also pointed out that on Wikileaks advisory board is Ben Laurie, a one-time programmer and Internet security expert for Google, which recently signed a cooperative agreement with the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and has been charged by China with being part of a U.S. cyber-espionage campaign against China. Other Wikileaks advisory members are leading Chinese dissidents, including Wan Dan, who won the 1998 National Endowment for Democracy (NED) Democracy Award; Wang Youcai, founder of the Chinese Democracy Party; Xiao Qiang, the director of the China Internet Project at the University of California at Berkeley, member of the advisory board of the International Campaign for Tibet, and commentator on the George Soros-affiliated Radio Free Asia; and Tibetan exile and activist Tashi Namgyal Khamsitsang.

Our sources in Asia believe that Wikileaks ran afoul of their CIA paymasters after it was discovered that some of Wikileaks's "take" was being diverted to Mossad instead of to their benefactors at Langley. After a CIA cur-off in funding, "Daniel Schmitt" took over and moved the Wikileaks operation to Belgium and Sweden with hopes of making a more secure base in Iceland.

There are strong suspicions that Wikileaks is yet another Soros-funded "false flag" operation on the left side of the political spectrum. WMR has learned that after former Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) decided to oppose Soros's choice of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's deputy Mark Malloch Brown as President of the World Bank, succedding the disgraced Paul Wolfowitz, Soros put the Wikileaks operation into high gear. "Daniel Schmitt" hacked into Coleman's supporters list, stealing credit card info, addresses, and publishing the "take" on Wikileaks. Democrat Al Franken, who was strongly backed by Soros, defeated Coleman in a legally-contested and very close election.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/5/16168/96111

I have read the press accounts of the Wikileak video's with horror. My horrors were worserned once I watched the gruesome video. This event is very disturbing and makes me question so many things about war and the conduct of war. Too many people dead in a unneccessary war and due to poor intelligence on the ground.

From the video, three immediate reactions from me : anger, sorrow and disgust

I was also struck by how the report was immediately linked to the possibility that General Petreaus should be held accountable for this since it happened on his watch.

Then I had to ask, during the time when General and Pentagon were recently in the news what were they pointing out - the bad outomes from not attending to the Israel-Palestine conflict? Could someone be leaking this video now because of this Pentagon's stand???

    * globalcitizenlinda's diary :: ::
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Maybe I have grown cynical but I immediately remember a few days ago when everyone was saying tha General Petreaus and the Pentagon had "over-stepped their mark" by saying openly that the actions of the Netanayu administration were underming the interests of the US. At the time some suggested that the General would be muzzled by strong lobby and maybe forced to retire.

Could this Wikileaks be revenging for Gen Petreaus's pronouncements about the diverging intersts of Isreal and the US with respect to the Palestine-Israel conflict??  I do not know but it seems to me that most of the players in Washington are always just around the corner to back-stab each other. This politcal back and forth is strongest when people  speaking out against the role of Middle-east players in endangering US interests and global peace.

I am just wondering if there is any link or this is just my active immagination

For those who have not paid attention to this story here is the Wikileaks report:
Yes many of you have received this new update from Wikileaks

"WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff. Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded. For further information please visit the special project website http://www.collateralmurder.com"

[MikeWB]

Whaler, I already posted the first article but the second one is new and VERY INTERESTING!!!

This could be a ploy to force Petreaus to resign so they can get a general in that will attack Iran!

WIKILEAKS IS A MOSSAD FRONT!

Notice how there's nothing on Wikileaks that's against Israel/AIPAC/Mossad.

Look at these pics (got them from comments on other site)... does this look like "camera" to anyone?!

[mgt23]

did u check the stills vs the original footage?

[§N9sh2bj]

one man carrying an AK-47 does not make him a target.
Especially in a so-called 'war zone', where there is no opposing military, just a bloodbath of civilians and stupid soldiers tricked into going over there so agents for Mossad can pick them off.

"notice there's no mossad/IDF/ISRAEL stuff on wikileaks"

good point.

[Ognir]

I saw guys with an RPG and AK-47's. Why is Wikileaks lying?

Mike stop watching CNN
A fuckin war zone
and some cunt above in a helicopter, has a story in his head, drug induced and you see an AK47

where is that :wave: from cc?

[Tomas O'Crohan]

Remember everybody, a major cornerstone of the plan of the ziocriminals is to get us to blame "our governments." Meanwhile, in actuality, these are zio criminal organizations masquerading as our "governments." The zio plan is to have us attack our "governments" and then the zios will come along and offer us a "better" one. It's not the "government" at fault but the zios who bought control of it and then corrupted it. "Wikileaks" reminds me of "Wikipedia" which of course is nothing but jewipedia. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, and in fact would expect it, that "Wikileaks" is in fact jewileaks and the release of this video is designed to get the clueless to blame "their government".

Having said this, watching this film fills me with rage and shame that the people who have the same accent as me have become such barbarians. This is the direct result of the country having become thoroughly judaized where there is now filth, perversion and barbarity everywhere and where everything that was once beautiful in life now has a jew price tag attached.

This film is shameful and disgusting and should fill us with righteous indignation. We should also be mindful of the reasons why it was "leaked" and think about what the real game plan may be behind its release. Imagine a world where this perversion has been extirpated.

For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Thank god the reaction is building incredible force as we speak.

[Whaler]

Remember everybody, a major cornerstone of the plan of the ziocriminals is to get us to blame "our governments." Meanwhile, in actuality, these are zio criminal organizations masquerading as our "governments." The zio plan is to have us attack our "governments" and then the zios will come along and offer us a "better" one. It's not the "government" at fault but the zios who bought control of it and then corrupted it. "Wikileaks" reminds me of "Wikipedia" which of course is nothing but jewipedia. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, and in fact would expect it, that "Wikileaks" is in fact jewileaks and the release of this video is designed to get the clueless to blame "their government".

Yeah, In my opinion this is a political attack on Patreus for making his comments on Israel. I think there is ample evidence that Wikileaks is operated by Zionists. This also puts the military in a weaker position to oppose Israel's indiscriminate killings in Gaza.

I also was angry after watching the video. I just see a motive and a sneaky trick pulled by the Jews. I see a lot of people reacting like chickens with their heads cut off cursing the entire military. calling them "murderers" and "everyone in a military uniform is a criminal!" This is exactly the reaction they wanted.

[MikeWB]

Og, I don't have cable TV so I can't watch CNN. Did you watch it on news? I actually watched 40 min version and saw weapons. When a reporter embeds with any side during the conflict, they get shot by the other side.



Tomas O'Crohan, absolutely right. This is all about blaming the soldiers and possibly taking down General Patreaus so they can install Israel-friendly general.

[Christopher Marlowe]

In a war zone, people are frightened and they have loaded weapons. Sh*t is going to happen. Even after the fact, on this forum there is a dispute as to whether there were guns and whether this presented a danger.

War zones are dangerous places. War is bad. Stop the war.

I think this dispute touches on the difference between winning a war and occupying a country. As long as we are occupiers we will be brutal policemen.  As long as we have war, we will have this sh*t. Disgusting.

[ahaze]

..., on this forum there is a dispute as to whether there were guns and whether this presented a danger.

War zones are dangerous places. War is bad. Stop the war.

I agree, stop the war (barbaric employment of skilled engineering couldn't be more backward).  But on the question of whether there were guns, I have to side with MikeWB, absolutely rifles and RPG's and attempts to conceal them are evident at approx 3:30 - 4:00 of the video.  The radio chatter confirms they mistaken the Reuters reporters for also carrying weapons, but right after that the crosshairs of the video show the guys carrying the rifles and RPG's half trying to be discreet and then another guy tips 'em off that they're being focused on.

Fascinating to see how concerned the Jewish press is about this matter with the tally of Google News articles on it up to 863 today from 750 yesterday.  The Atlantic makes the direct pitch of tag the atrocity on Petraeus with "The Real Scandal of Wikileaks' Iraq Killings Video".  I think the Atlantic article is masterful COINTELPRO, making clear how despite Petraeus attempt at transparency to win the Iraqi confidence, his military cover ups are totally f*^#ing up any chance of winning Iraqi support and in fact he's on the verge of making America look like the next Saddam Hussein!

_http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/04/the-real-scandal-of-wikileaks-iraq-killings-video/38531/

Petraeus' counterinsurgency works so well in part because it makes all Iraqis "stakeholders," to use a bit of business jargon, in the American mission. Because Iraqis helped build a local power plant, they will help protect it; because they helped craft a local government, they will support it. But opacity and cover-ups exclude Iraqis from the American mission, undermining the grand counterinsurgency strategy. To be sure, friendly fire incidents are going to happen. But in a country where conspiracy theories are the currency of idle salon chit-chat (a hold-over from the days of Saddam Hussein's opaque regime), even one lie in Iraq is as damaging as a hundred in the U.S. To come out in 2007 and admit that it had wrongly killed civilians would have damaged the military's standing in the U.S. and Iraq. But the costs of looking like the next Saddam are much higher.

[ahaze]

..., on this forum there is a dispute as to whether there were guns and whether this presented a danger.

War zones are dangerous places. War is bad. Stop the war.

I agree, stop the war (barbaric employment of skilled engineering couldn't be more backward).  But on the question of whether there were guns, I have to side with MikeWB, absolutely rifles and RPG's and attempts to conceal them are evident at approx 3:30 - 4:00 of the video.  The radio chatter confirms they mistaken the Reuters reporters for also carrying weapons, but right after that the crosshairs of the video show the guys carrying the rifles and RPG's half trying to be discreet and then another guy tips 'em off that they're being focused on.

Fascinating to see how concerned the Jewish press is about this matter with the tally of Google News articles on it up to 863 today from 750 yesterday.  The Atlantic makes the direct pitch of tag the atrocity on Petraeus with "The Real Scandal of Wikileaks' Iraq Killings Video".  I think the Atlantic article is masterful COINTELPRO, making clear how despite Petraeus attempt at transparency to win the Iraqi confidence, his military cover ups are totally f*^#ing up any chance of winning Iraqi support and in fact he's on the verge of making America look like the next Saddam Hussein!

_http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/04/the-real-scandal-of-wikileaks-iraq-killings-video/38531/

Petraeus' counterinsurgency works so well in part because it makes all Iraqis "stakeholders," to use a bit of business jargon, in the American mission. Because Iraqis helped build a local power plant, they will help protect it; because they helped craft a local government, they will support it. But opacity and cover-ups exclude Iraqis from the American mission, undermining the grand counterinsurgency strategy. To be sure, friendly fire incidents are going to happen. But in a country where conspiracy theories are the currency of idle salon chit-chat (a hold-over from the days of Saddam Hussein's opaque regime), even one lie in Iraq is as damaging as a hundred in the U.S. To come out in 2007 and admit that it had wrongly killed civilians would have damaged the military's standing in the U.S. and Iraq. But the costs of looking like the next Saddam are much higher.

[Free Truth]

Even though we know that things like this are potentially happening every day, it really is disturbing to see.

Perhaps there were weapons in the area that weren't in the shorter video...
Regardless, everybody involved in those murders should be held accountable. There was no need to kill.

When I first heard of Wikileaks I was suspicious of it...
After I had watched the video it wasn't long before  the deception radar was already working. Why is this out...?

Great job nailing it.
The military says anything the neo-cons and zionists don't like and the media does it's job. Pretty simple.

Something else pretty interesting though. I found a video of AJ's take on this.
He goes a step too far by not only driving home that the soldiers wanted to kill, but also that they were fully aware that there were children in the van.

[youtube:332v6ge9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7nw3IVl1pE[/youtube]332v6ge9]

A good question would be: Would Alex have been aware of the longer video that shows what could be weapons (I have not seen it)?
I thought and do believe that the soldiers were and would just look for anything to call a weapon to shoot at.
Like the camera + strap.
So there's a likely instance of him knowingly deceiving.

But I am pretty sure that Alex knows the soldiers--even being the demoralized trigger happy goyim they are--would not have shot the van if they knew the children were there.

He's working hand in hand.

Riling up emotion in a dead end direction while fogging the real truth about the entire situation (zios strike with their media).

[ahaze]

Perhaps there were weapons in the area that weren't in the shorter video...

OK, I see there are a couple versions of the WikiLeaks' video on _http://www.collateralmurder.com.  So the timeframe in which weapons are clearly visible in the "Short version" is 3:35 to 4:05, and the timeframe of the "Full version" is 2:00 to 2:30.  In every version, the two Reuters reporters walk toward the camera then vanish behind a building and the camera pans up to land its crosshairs on the guys holding the AK47's and RPG.  It's the same segment from which the pictures MikeWB posted above were taken.  The question remains, why is WikiLeaks lying?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Here's a recent claim on the video. By the way, if I was in Iraq... I'd probably carry and AK... you just never know... :

2010-04-05
Wikileaks under attack from US Intelligence

Wikileaks, one of the very most important bastion of Free Speech in this world has been under attack from many sources, but more recently, from the US Intelligence.

Apologies for not having the time to write into more details, but here the rough cuts I have dug:

An anonymous reader writes"This document is a classified (SECRET/NOFORN), 32-page US counterintelligence investigation into WikiLeaks (PDF). 'The possibility that current employees or moles within DoD or elsewhere in the US government are providing sensitive or classified information to Wikileaks.org cannot be ruled out.' It concocts a plan to fatally marginalize the organization. Since WikiLeaks uses 'trust as a center of gravity by protecting the anonymity and identity of the insiders, leakers or whistleblowers,' the report recommends 'The identification, exposure, termination of employment, criminal prosecution, legal action against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could potentially damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others considering similar actions from using the Wikileaks.org Web site.' [As two years have passed since the date of the report, with no WikiLeaks' source exposed, it appears that this plan was ineffective.] As an odd justification for the plan, the report claims that 'Several foreign countries including China, Israel, North Korea, Russia, Vietnam, and Zimbabwe have denounced or blocked access to the Wikileaks.org website.' The report provides further justification by enumerating embarrassing stories broken by WikiLeaks — US equipment expenditure in Iraq, probable US violations of the Chemical Warfare Convention Treaty in Iraq, the battle over the Iraqi town of Fallujah and human rights violations at Guantanamo Bay."

As early as this week-end, they "released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff. Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded. For further information please visit the special project website www.collateralmurder.com.

http://realitylenses.blogspot.com/

[MikeWB]

CSR, of course there were weapons!  A LOT OF THEM! it's just that they're in the full 40min video and not the excerpts which don't show that. Here's a shot that shows some of them:



They're clear as day!

Here's the aftermath shots:



WikiLeaks is lying so they can sensationalize the whole thing and rake in some $$$$$ form donations. Last year they raked in $600K from donations. Now they'll pull few million due to this.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Yeah, I hear you Mike, but think about it this way.... what if this was the month of April in the year 2000? or maybe 1986 during the Iran-Iraq war.... and Iraqi people were walking around in Iraq with loaded weapons... no big deal... but the USA has ton of troops and armor over there now because of Israel... it is just not the same game...but nothing has changed on the ground for Iraqi's except they have much less "security"...  if you see what I mean... the rules are different because of 9/11 and lies about WMDs... Saddam was an American CIA puppet...

People walking around "armed" is an outcome of the invasion led by Jewish Neocons... that's pretty much the way I see it... America is a Jew Golem...

I do hear you about Wikilinks being a front to make buck too... but I keep the two issues separate...


http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opi ... ve-mistake

[MikeWB]

My position is that this is/was an illegal war but the fact is that our guys are on the ground and I don't hold the opinion that these are some kind of ruthless killers set loose. This is a damn war zone! You don't walk around with ANY weapon if you don't wanna get shot at. These Reuters guys embedded with the enemy and thought that they could avoid getting shot at. All these ppl who criticize them were never in the war zone and don't understand that. What if they let these guys go and they shot & killed some of our troops later that day? Rules of war are simple: don't carry a weapon if you don't wanna get killed and get the hell away from anyone with weapons if you're not willing to die.

War's a very dirty thing I wish we were not there.

[Ahmed]

Zionist Jews via Rothschild have instigated similar scenarios all over the world.

U.S. is just the latest host for this parasite. Numerous authors have exposed this scam time and time again (e.g. Hitchcock, Friedman, Webster etc).

Iraqis will defend their country from any and all invaders, just as the Irish did against the British Empire (which was also Rothschild controlled) or the Vietnamese did against America and France.  

It's no coincidence that World War 1 began the year after the Rothschild's re-took control of the U.S. Federal Reserve.  America has been a Zionist occupied country ever since.


'The British Labour Leader' Newspaper (1891 edition)

"This blood-sucking crew, the Rothschilds, have been the cause of untold mischief and misery in Europe during the present century, and have piled up their prodigious wealth chiefly through fomenting wars between States which ought never to have quarrelled."

"Whenever there is trouble in Europe, wherever rumours of war circulate and men's minds are distraught with fear of change and calamity you may be sure that a hook-nosed Rothschild is at his games somewhere near the region of the disturbance."


The old con is to try and create enough hostility towards the proxy or imagined adversary (e.g. Britain and America, Arabs and Islam, Irish and Catholicism) that both sides fail to see their mutual enemy in Zionism.

Even WWII: The Rothschild instigated clash between Fascism and Communism was used to buttress Zionism into Palestine. The way to break circles this vicious is to isolate the disease of Zionism rather than suppress the symptoms or vessels that ferry it across. This means that all countries have to oppose criminality / collaboration from their governments, this means the U.S. will have to retreat from Iraq (the physical retreat may that of Americans but the ideological retreat will be that of Zionism and Talmudic world government).

I understand it's not easy to accurately redefine patriotism when the enemy within has been defining it incorrectly for so long.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear."

Cicero Marcus Tullius.

[Whaler]

The Ugly Truth Podcast April 6, 2010
08Apr10

Israel's "Legitimacy"–hear author Jeff Gates of http://www.criminalstate.com discuss the largest crime syndicate in human history–The Jewish state.
http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/

Go to 48 minutes of the broadcast. They discuss the wikileaks video.
Also, I remember Gates was on TFC...I know DBS had second thoughts on Gates and doesn't trust him. Anyone know what the issue was? Just curious.

[Wimpy]

The way I remember it, Jeff Gates was a bit too reluctant to discuss or acknowledge any discussion of the Jews, Israel or Zionists.  When pressed by Daryl for a hint of agreement regarding the Zionists, particularly as being the root of the economic and other problems, Gates either did not answer, hemmed and hawed or changed the subject.

I am surprised that Gates is now taking a stand of sorts.  Maybe Daryl got his attention or maybe Gates knows that he'll reach a more receptive audience if he at least dishes out the word candy we expect.  Remember, this is a rather sudden transition for a man who has been around for quite a while and proclaims himself an expert.  That alone causes me to suspect his motives and veracity for his recent turnaround.

[Whaler]

The way I remember it, Jeff Gates was a bit too reluctant to discuss or acknowledge any discussion of the Jews, Israel or Zionists.  When pressed by Daryl for a hint of agreement regarding the Zionists, particularly as being the root of the economic and other problems, Gates either did not answer, hemmed and hawed or changed the subject.

I am surprised that Gates is now taking a stand of sorts.  Maybe Daryl got his attention or maybe Gates knows that he'll reach a more receptive audience if he at least dishes out the word candy we expect.  Remember, this is a rather sudden transition for a man who has been around for quite a while and proclaims himself an expert.  That alone causes me to suspect his motives and veracity for his recent turnaround.

Thanks Wimpy, Hopefully Gates will stop holding back.

[Free Truth]

I think it was a common reaction for those that viewed the "leaked" video to think of the terrible video games that young people are now playing.
They're perfect to point to as a demonstration of how I now call the matrix anti-life. In fact, along with what comes off the TV and other "entertainment," they are the fosterers of the lack of respect for life in pop culture that leads to pure darkness.

Look at how the shameless US Army gains new cannon fodder by using these weapons against the American youth at "Army Experience Centers."

[youtube:2acypv1p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvMZHrjfC_c[/youtube]2acypv1p]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... enter.html

http://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?p=arm ... =yfp-t-715

When asked about why he thinks there's controversy about these recruitment centers, some brainwashed military man (murderer [at one degree or another]) answered: "I think they're terrified that it will work." :shock:

No shit, Sherlock!

Army Experience Center
U.S. Army recruits young citizens with video games

January 12, 2009

The U.S. Army is wooing young Americans with video games, Google maps and simulated attacks on enemy positions from an Apache helicopter. Departing from the old recruiting environment of metal tables and uniformed soldiers in a drab military building, the Army has invested $12 million in a facility that looks like a cross between a hotel lobby and a video arcade.

A young man plays a round of 'Call of Duty 4' in the computer area of the U.S. Army Experience center at the Franklin Mills mall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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The U.S. Army Experience Center at the Franklin Mills shopping mall in northeast Philadelphia has 60 personal computers loaded with military video games, 19 Xbox 360 video game controllers and a series of interactive screens describing military bases and career options in great detail.

Potential recruits can hang out on couches and listen to rock music that fills the space.

The center is the first of its kind and opened in August as part of a two-year experiment. So far, it has signed up 33 full-time soldiers and five reservists -- roughly matching the performance of five traditional recruiting centers it replaced.

The U.S. military says it has been meeting or exceeding its recruiting and retention goals, with 185,000 men and women entering active-duty military service in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30 -- the highest number since 2003.

Defense officials say the recession and rising unemployment were likely to boost recruiting.

The Philadelphia center lures recruits with a separate room for prospective soldiers to "fire" from a real Humvee on enemy encampments projected on a 15-foot-high (4.5-metre-high) battleground scenario that also has deafening sound effects.

In another room, those inclined to attack from above can join helicopter raids in which enemy soldiers emerge from hide-outs to be felled by automatic gunfire rattling from a simulator modeled on an Apache or Blackhawk helicopter.

The Army is not simply looking for new recruits, said First Sgt. Randy Jennings, who runs the center. It also aims to dispel misperceptions about Army life.

"We want them to know that being in the Army isn't just about carrying weapons and busting down doors," said Jennings, who wears slacks and a polo shirt rather than a uniform. About 80 percent of soldiers are not involved in direct combat roles, he said.

GLAMORIZING WAR?

Jesse Hamilton, a former Army staff sergeant who served in Iraq in 2005 and 2006, said the use of video games glamorized war and misled potential recruits, calling it "very deceiving and very far from realistic."

"You can't simulate the loss when you see people getting killed," said Hamilton, who left the Army after his Iraq tour and is now a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.

"It's not very likely you are going to get into a firefight," he said. "The only way to simulate the heat is holding a blow dryer to your face."

The center is an experiment in boosting urban recruitment, which has traditionally lagged behind that of rural areas.

Eddie Abuali, 20, who was waiting to take an Army aptitude test, said he felt more comfortable in the center than he would in a traditional recruiting office. "It's a more relaxed environment," said Abuali, who plans to join the Army when he graduates from college. "You don't feel like you are being pressured."

Project manager Maj. Larry Dillard said recruitment was more difficult about two years ago when the United States was struggling in Iraq and jobs at home were easier to get.

"Now the news coming out of Iraq is better and we are in an economic downturn. It will be easier," he said.

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