Latest research which ended in a proto-conclusion that the original zionists are....

[mgt23]

Latest research which ended in a proto-conclusion that the original zionists are the last surviving Homo Erectus' planning an extermination of homo sapien. Jewish Illuminati=Homo Erectus
Call it wild but it would explain everything from the beginning to now. It's a war between species hence their belief in evolution an ancient theory.

i started here.......



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shayler
http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/08/no-n ... rvous.html
"And then Shayler came out as a no-planer ("the only explanation is that they were missiles
surrounded by holograms made to look like planes"), and last summer, "for some inexplicable
reason," he introduced The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to the discussion during a Q&A
following a screening of Mind the Gap."

Annasach
Annasach' is a gaelic word meaning novel, dainty, unusual, new and strange

http://markmeynell.wordpress.com/2007/0 ... -theorist-
mystic-messiah-the-peculiar-world-of-david-shayler/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus  ----very very important you read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athronges  ----now you see why he was called this.

"I was one of the people who left the room, but I wasn't "storming" out, I was trying to
catch up with new comers outside to perform damage control before they left for good with
the notion that this was what the 9/11 Truth Campaign was all about. In terms of the "Z
word and J word"- if such a tangent is so important to a speaker that section of their
speech should begin "Let me make a very important distinction before I say what I am going
to say next..." the distinction, when it came was "I don't mean Jews!" as people were
streaming out of the door after "Zionists want to enslave us all like cattle and rule the
world" had popped out of nowhere."

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?
p=118850&highlight=&sid=88437aa3c29abf153019c6e4f89729e9

shayler sent to infiltrate traveller cult/religion scene of auyhuasca and the feathered
serpent for anti-zionists. he doesn't even know it lmao.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Texas_Mayan_O ... on%2C_1966
http://www.tortuga.com/pan/nodes.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7408441/waite ... many-parts

i had already infiltrated the rainbow satanists in glastonbury
sky
labyrinth
tomy (was murdered imo and was a good friend/teacher of mine)
ref all had connections to dion fortune.

http://www.at.artslink.co.za/~artstudio ... /gbook.pdf
http://chandirasblog.blogspot.com/2004_ ... chive.html
http://www.watsonblogs.org/jmendel/2007/08/post_6.html
http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html    ----it was here that the jews were infiltrated in
9th of Av, 586 B.C.E. bill cooper was partially right.
The conspiracy goes back to the sumerians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud (Mishnah (c. 200 CE)Gemara (c. 500 CE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah (written)539 to 334 BCE
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bcollinsj.html (weird enough a jesuit)
http://books.google.com/books?id=9kxLOH5XaAMC&pg=PA33&ots=rVg7OTu3iS&dq=the+israelites+in+history+and+tradition&sig=qMcGZ0XnrBEqqEC_2e8rKrpiWUY#PPA33,M1

Serpent/Dragon is a codeword i think for homo erectus jew illuminati
The serpent religion was created by the jews to intimidate prehistorical man and they took control of the primitive global shamanism circa last ice age by introducing the king of all spirits the dragon-top of the food chain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dr ... d_folklore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk

Semitic
In Jewish religious texts, the first mention of a dragon-like creature is in the Biblical
works of Job (26:13), and Isaiah (27:1) where it is called Nachash Bare'ach, or a "Pole
Serpent".[4] This is identified in the Midrash Rabba to Genesis 1:21 as Leviathan from the
word Taninim
    and God created the great sea-monsters.[5]

In Jewish astronomy this is also identified with the North Pole, the star Thuban which,
around 4,500 years ago, was the star in the Draco constellation's "tail".[4] However this
can also have been either the celestial pole or the ecliptic pole. The ancient observers
noted that Draco was at the top of the celestial pole, giving the appearance that stars
were "hanging" from it, and in Hebrew it is referred to as Teli, from talah (תלה) - to
hang.[6] Hebrew writers from Arabic-speaking locations identified the Teli as Al Jaz'har,
which is a Persian word for a "knot" or a "node" because of the intersection of the
inclination of the orbit of a planet from the elliptic that forms two such nodes. In modern
astronomy these are called the ascending node and the descending node, but in the medieval
astronomy they were referred to as "dragon's head" and "dragon's tail".[7]
Freedman, Rabbi Dr. H. (translation), Simon M., editor, Midrash Rabbah: Genesis, Volume
one, The Soncino Press, London, 1983

http://www.come-and-hear.com/tcontents.html

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OqyHCjrI2qIC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=%22Rabbi+Dr+H+Freedman%22&source=bl&ots=NSJN9POTmj&sig=RlGGXfvZfXAyOlpGhHYRc_51T6o&hl=en&ei=k13WSc6HLYGQsAbMpq3hDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_David
David is Jewish, and lives in Long Island, New York.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2TtOjwtbXG8C&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=king+arthur+%22sumer%22+knight&source=bl&ots=hCLJiMhDsg&sig=I3Nz1E6UrAqHv96cG_hZGAZEdeU&hl=en&ei=M1rWSYWxE4-M_QbllvHjDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadne ... of_Babylon
While boasting over his achievements, Nebuchadnezzar is humbled by God. The king loses his
sanity and lives in the wild like an animal for seven years (by some considered as an
attack of the madness called clinical boanthropy or alternately porphyria). After this, his
sanity and position are restored and he praised and honored God.
Boanthropy is an illness in which sufferers take to the belief that they are cattle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_boanthropy
Some Christians[who?] consider the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar to have suffered from.
"He was driven away from people and ate grass like cattle." (Daniel 4:33b NIV)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur    ------abraham was sumerian!!!??? ref trace origins of sumerians to china
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridu   -----was the first city there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
Jews are often identified as belonging to one of two major groups: the Ashkenazim, or
"Germans" (Ashkenaz meaning "Germany" in Medieval Hebrew, denoting their Central European
base), and the Sephardim, or "Spaniards" (Sefarad meaning "Spain" or "Iberia" in Hebrew,
denoting their Spanish and Portuguese base). The Mizrahim, or "Easterners" (Mizrach being
"East" in Hebrew), that is, the diverse collection of Middle Eastern and North African
Jews, constitute a third major group, although they are sometimes termed Sephardi for
liturgical reasons.[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazim
Although the historical record itself is very limited, there is a consensus of cultural,
linguistic, and genetic evidence that the Ashkenazi Jewish population originated in the
Middle East. Jews have lived in Germany, or "Ashkenaz", at least since the early 4th
century. When they arrived in northern France and the Rhineland, the Ashkenazi Jews brought
with them both Rabbinic Judaism and the Babylonian Talmudic culture that underlies it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengriism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs
The majority of Kazakhs belongs to one of the three juzes (juz, roughly translatable as
"horde"): the "Great juz" (Ulı juz), "Middle juz" (Orta juz), and "Junior juz" (Kişi juz).
Every juz consists of tribes (taypa) and clans (ruw). Also Kazakhs, but outside of the juz
system are: tore (direct descendants of Genghis Khan), qoja/Khoja (descendants of Arabian
missionaries and colonists), tolengit (descendants of Oirat captives), "sunak" (like "qoja"
Khoja - descendants of Arabian missionaries and colonists) and "kolegen" (descendants of
Ancient Sairam inhabitants).

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html
school shootings to cover up elite deviency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html    ---very important as it explains blair
alot and the iraq war.

I believe the templars were jews sorry ognir

where did the illuminati come from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_in_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Prehistory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ad ... of_Guangxi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhoukoudian
Swedish geologist Johan Gunnar Andersson first started his explorations of the region in
1918 at an area called Chicken-bone Hill by locals who have misidentified the rodent
fossils that are in abundance there,[3] but it was not until 1921 that he and American
palaeontologist Walter W. Granger were lead to the site known as Dragon Bone Hill by local
quarry men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Zdansky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Black
He gave Black two human-similar molars to examine. The following year, with a grant from
the Rockefeller Foundation, Black began his search around Zhoukoudian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Gunnar_Andersson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man

the jews  reckon they were the first humans on earth "homo erectus" and are the last
survivors. thats why they think they are the chosen and want to exterminate the goyiem(homo sapien)

the chinese are not full homo sapiens but hybrids homo sapien/homo erectus(homo sapien
being dominent).
^ Shang et al. (1999). "An early modern human from Tianyuan Cave, Zhoukoudian, China".
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 104 (16): 6573.
doi:10.1073/pnas.0702169104. PMID 17416672.

IMPORTANT THE ORIGINAL FOSSILS PROVING THIS WERE STOLEN IN 1941
Fossils of Peking Man were placed in the safe at the Cenozoic Research Laboratory of the
Peking Union Medical College. Eventually, in November 1941, secretary Hu Chengzi packed up
the fossils so they could be sent to USA for safekeeping until the end of the war. They
vanished en route to the port city of Qinghuangdao. They were probably in possession of a
group of US marines whom the Japanese captured when the war began between Japan and the
USA. Various parties have tried to locate the fossils, but so far they have been without result.
In 1972, a US financier Christopher Janus promised a $5,000 (USD) reward for the missing
skulls; one woman contacted him, asking for $500,000 (USD) but she later vanished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weizmann_I ... of_Science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Weiner    ---in on the conspiracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Janus   ---ditto
http://www.athenapub.com/13dragon.htm
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/s ... 0195152913

Ziggurat are just pointless constructions to waste labour and control/occupy the population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8c/Secret_Intelligence_Service_building_-_Vauxhall_Cross_-_Vauxhall_-_London_-_from_Millbank_24042004.jpg/120px-Secret_Intelligence_Service_building_-_Vauxhall_Cross_-_Vauxhall_-_London_-_from_Millbank_24042004.jpg


What was the queen's/all royalty deal with the devil!?
to be one of the chosen come the extermination.


other random thoughts i'd thought of before my brainwave.
group think within anarchism
watchers
agitators
pro's

[sullivan]

I'm struggling to make any sense of this. I'm not trying to be critical, but you'll need more than a collection of random links peppered with short and somewhat obtuse observations to get your message across.  I would also rethink relying on Wikipedia as a source!

[mgt23]

i completely agree on the sources(i've only just got this brain wave), but i think i am onto something big. I will devote all my time now to tracing where the jews came from. I think bill cooper was partially right when he traced it back to Ur and the mystery religions and i think they killed him not just because of 911; but because he was going FURTHER and FURTHER back in time.....thats when he dropped the alien crap and seriously looked at zionism. I think he traced jews back from khazaria back across the silk road to china where the last remnants of Homo Erectus were. I think Homo Erectus decided to fight back and had  Homo Sapiens wipe out Neanderthals first and then used hybrids to fight and then take over Homo Sapiens. This I admit seems wild but I think we should trace where the Khazars came from.

I think the conspiracy goes WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY back further than we had anticipated. If you think about it it all makes sense. Thats why i'm keeping this in the personal thoughts section til I can get a coherent timeline.
Yes I use wikipedia out of convienience and i will diversify of course to get original non-censored sources.

the serpent cult IS in history everywhere and it IS Bullshit but not for the reasons people think. It was to set up the first religion and destroy/corrupt the original indigenous shamanic/animist religion of homo sapien. They use trickery/deception to gain psychological power over early homosapien anytime before the last iceage i think....there is something to graham hancock-he just doesn't know what he's found.

[mgt23]

this is the ancient route of conquest/trade from the east.

i think the khazars shared a very ancient common heritage, althrough they were definitely not from isreal. just ideas i'm throwing out there...

click here to see full image going back towards one road in gobi desert mongolia.
http://www.orexca.com/img/silk_road.jpg

edit: migration of homo erectus
http://inside.mines.edu/fs_home/jsneed/ ... ndex.shtml

edit: human  timelines
http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/disp.html

there are four candidates for this theory, but i think homo erectus is key player. due to oldest language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language
Human language may have emerged by the transition to behavioral modernity, which occurred some 50,000 years ago at the latest, in the Upper Paleolithic. A common assumption is that behavioral modernity and the emergence of language coincide and are dependent on each other. Others would push back the origin of language to some 200,000 years ago, the time of the appearance of archaic Homo sapiens (Middle Paleolithic), or even into the Lower Paleolithic, to some 500,000 years ago. This question significantly depends on the view taken of the communicative skills of Homo neanderthalensis. A lengthy stage of pre-language, intermediate between the vocalizations of non-human primates and fully developed human language, is assumed by some scholars, while others (e.g. Richard Klein) view the acquisition of language and behavioral modernity as sudden, possibly linked to a genetic mutation (for an overview see Kenneally 2007).

edit:
I think the first language was a sign language, every bit as sophisticated as deaf sign language we see today and homo erectus would be that, simply because they were around 500,000 years.

[mgt23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory
interesting reading, not as many humans as you think were around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Erectus
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis    ----strong alternative candidate

RAO hypothesis
According to the "Recent Out of Africa" theory, similar "Archaic Homo sapiens" found in Africa (ie. Homo sapiens idaltu only 160,000 years old), existing in Africa as a part of the operation of the Saharan pump, and not the European forms of Homo heidelbergensis, are thought to be direct ancestors of modern Homo sapiens.

..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal are an outside bet.

edit:
homo erectus could have spawned....http://www.tengerism.org/ and then it migrated to khazaria
http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

edit: from khazaria it would have penetrated south to the very first sumerian religions at Ur/Eridu and then further southwest to babylonian and then judaism was hijacked under Nebuchadnezzar II....the rest is history

edit: the theory hinges on this research...
The chinese are not full homo sapiens but hybrids homo sapien/homo erectus(homo sapien
being dominent).
^ Shang et al. (1999). "An early modern human from Tianyuan Cave, Zhoukoudian, China".
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 104 (16): 6573.
doi:10.1073/pnas.0702169104. PMID 17416672.

[mgt23]

Mystery of the human hobbit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8l4Kcm-580
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6BMRqlzus0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6IpYQ6TndI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMEFFxgu38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYFrYbxMfgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-TznXC3PuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fAFr6py-vk

am convinced that khazar jews and isreali jews via the silk migration routes are tied into mongolia and indonesia as far back as 18,000 years ago. Khazar/Jewish Kabbalah is based on mongoloid tengriism tradition within shamanism. They are essentially hybrid Homo erectus and i'm now looking to see if there is any pure bred homo erectus still around......

everywhere i look there is conspiracy regarding the remains of homo erectus....heres another
Teuku Jacob
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/teuku-obit/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob
note jacob means Isreal. this is starting to get REALLY REALLY REALLY SMELLY

[GordZilla]

Mystery of the human hobbit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8l4Kcm-580
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6BMRqlzus0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6IpYQ6TndI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMEFFxgu38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYFrYbxMfgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-TznXC3PuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fAFr6py-vk

am convinced that khazar jews and isreali jews via the silk migration routes are tied into mongolia and indonesia as far back as 18,000 years ago. Khazar/Jewish Kabbalah is based on mongoloid tengriism tradition within shamanism. They are essentially hybrid Homo erectus and i'm now looking to see if there is any pure bred homo erectus still around......

everywhere i look there is conspiracy regarding the remains of homo erectus....heres another
Teuku Jacob
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/teuku-obit/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob
note jacob means Isreal. this is starting to get REALLY REALLY REALLY SMELLY

It's as old as the Kabala, so your time line may be correct, it is definitely ancient and yes the illuminati is formed from the Kabala, but I don't know why you apologized to Ognir about that? I think he already knew that.
 

[mgt23]

i was referencing with ognir about a PM regarding the scottish/jewish takeover of James 1. Some black poper i was looking at was getting subtle and sophisticated and messing with my mind. Though I do try and extract some value from anything as long as there is some logic and experience to it. In this case the Templars were sick fecks kissing each others anuses and had a direct jewish connection. In that respect this black poper was telling the truth. I think it was then that the jewish kaballah took over the country, replacing a hermetic kabballah tradition going back to pre-historical Stonehenge-ice age times aka pseudo Graham Hancock.

[Anonymous]

i completely agree on the sources(i've only just got this brain wave), but i think i am onto something big. I will devote all my time now to tracing where the jews came from. I think bill cooper was partially right when he traced it back to Ur and the mystery religions and i think they killed him not just because of 911; but because he was going FURTHER and FURTHER back in time.....thats when he dropped the alien crap and seriously looked at zionism. I think he traced jews back from khazaria back across the silk road to china where the last remnants of Homo Erectus were. I think Homo Erectus decided to fight back and had  Homo Sapiens wipe out Neanderthals first and then used hybrids to fight and then take over Homo Sapiens. This I admit seems wild but I think we should trace where the Khazars came from.

I think the conspiracy goes WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY back further than we had anticipated. If you think about it it all makes sense. Thats why i'm keeping this in the personal thoughts section til I can get a coherent timeline.
Yes I use wikipedia out of convienience and i will diversify of course to get original non-censored sources.

the serpent cult IS in history everywhere and it IS Bullshit but not for the reasons people think. It was to set up the first religion and destroy/corrupt the original indigenous shamanic/animist religion of homo sapien. They use trickery/deception to gain psychological power over early homosapien anytime before the last iceage i think....there is something to graham hancock-he just doesn't know what he's found.

No need to waste your time - Where the jews come from has already been answered. I have answered this question in my audio's as well.

this stuff is made up in the 15th century Renaissance epoch - as demonstrated in my audio's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus

I am not saying that the story does not hold any importance, but that it was written in 15-17th century AD.

As far as the Caesar Propaganda aka Khasar - it's make believe as well, for the most part

I will place info I have under the research section of the radio show area.

I have a show in the works regarding the 13th tribe

I think the conspiracy is much closer then you think instead of WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! back

http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html ----it was here that the jews were infiltrated in
9th of Av, 586 B.C.E. bill cooper was partially right.
The conspiracy goes back to the sumerians.

The bible 15th century document is the history of someone but not who you think, when you think or where you think.

think 13th to 15th century, constatinople aka jerusalem aka rome, and venetian financiers and arms dealers and nobility fleeing north

If and might they be Some Aryans, it's possible, Bill bought into the whole Scaligerian chronology, and so some of his info is based on false information although the story might be correct but much closer to our time.

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

regarding Gilgamesh

this is the same old story of the dying god of Tammuz and Ishtar, Cronos and Rhea

the moon sets followed by venus rising the light bringer followed by the Sun

and the women wept for Tammuz in the north end of the temple

it's all make believe from the fertility cults incorporated into "The Empires" Monotheism

You might recall That Ishtar asks Gilgamesh to be her lover - However since the Lover becomes king and is later castrated by his own son and marries his mother/sister
he rejects her and accuses her of killing dumu-zi aka Tammuz

She gets pissed
sends the fire breathing BULL
he castrates the bull and throws the cock at here

and then ishtar gather her temple girls and harlots and they lamented over the bull's cock

this is why the priest of cybele  and attis would castrate themselves, and today freemasonry has symbolic castration and Jews have circumcism

this is the Queen bee symbolism in masonry

This story is most likely a more recent story

[Anonymous]

Flavius Josephus was a medieval writer placed back in time by the Scaligerites. Any source claiming to source info from him is blatantly false.

as addressed in my shows on Dead sea Scrolls

Josippon is the name usually given to a popular chronicle of Jewish history from Adam to the age of Titus, attributed to an author Josippon or Joseph ben Gorion. The name, though at one time identified with that of the historian Josephus, is perhaps a corruption of Hegesippus, from whom (according to Trieber) the author derived much of his material.

The chronicle was probably compiled in Hebrew early in the 10th century, by a Jewish native of south Italy. The first edition was printed in Mantua in 1476. Josippon subsequently appeared in many forms, one of the most popular being in Yiddish, with quaint illustrations. Though the chronicle is more legendary than historical, it is not unlikely that some good and even ancient sources were used by the first compiler, the Josippon known to us having passed through the hands of many interpolators. The book enjoyed much vogue in England. Peter Morvyn in 1558 translated an abbreviated version into English, and edition after edition was called for. Lucien Wolf has shown that the English translations of the Bible aroused so much interest in the Jews that there was a widespread desire to know more about them. This led to the circulation of many editions of Josippon, which thus formed a link in the chain of events which culminated in the readmission of the Jews to England by Oliver Cromwell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josippon  

    
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... 3&letter=J
   
JOSEPH BEN GORION

It is generally held that the work was composed by a Jew living in southern Italy. Scaliger and Zunz believed that he lived in the middle of the ninth century; but Zunz later modified his view, placing the date at 940.

I would say that Joseph was a Renaissance epoch writer

[Anonymous]

Semitic
In Jewish religious texts, the first mention of a dragon-like creature is in the Biblical
works of Job (26:13), and Isaiah (27:1) where it is called Nachash Bare'ach, or a "Pole
Serpent".[4] This is identified in the Midrash Rabba to Genesis 1:21 as Leviathan from the
word Taninim
and God created the great sea-monsters.[5]

In Jewish astronomy this is also identified with the North Pole, the star Thuban which,
around 4,500 years ago, was the star in the Draco constellation's "tail".[4] However this
can also have been either the celestial pole or the ecliptic pole. The ancient observers
noted that Draco was at the top of the celestial pole, giving the appearance that stars
were "hanging" from it, and in Hebrew it is referred to as Teli, from talah (תלה) - to
hang.[6] Hebrew writers from Arabic-speaking locations identified the Teli as Al Jaz'har,
which is a Persian word for a "knot" or a "node" because of the intersection of the
inclination of the orbit of a planet from the elliptic that forms two such nodes. In modern
astronomy these are called the ascending node and the descending node, but in the medieval
astronomy they were referred to as "dragon's head" and "dragon's tail".[7]
Freedman, Rabbi Dr. H. (translation), Simon M., editor, Midrash Rabbah: Genesis, Volume
one, The Soncino Press, London, 1983

Doubt the 4500 years ago

Astronomy and Astrology is a Medieval creation

Ankor Wat is claimed to be dated to 700 years ago and forms the Draco constellation

[Anonymous]

King Arthur - Son of the Widow
Genghis Khan - Son of the Widow
Alexander the great - Son of the Widow

These are fictional Characters

there are many more

I believe the templars were jews sorry ognir

templers were the protectors of the empires tax collectors as well as other orders

[mgt23]

point one on josephus, couldn't agree more. i have asked in a the bible is repulsive thread (showing contradictions withing the torah+new testament), any source for jesus of nazarene not based on him.
point two: jewish Kaballah goes way back than --

No need to waste your time - Where the jews come from has already been answered. I have answered this question in my audio's as well.
this stuff is made up in the 15th century Renaissance epoch - as demonstrated in my audio's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus

unless you are saying that all ziggarauts are 15th century or later. Ziggarauts are key, as they show the timeline and migration of the philosophy of the kaballah(doing pointless stuff). Whoever is sharing a Tengriism outlook would be sympathetic to jewish kabballah.
It is important to trace all jewish kabballah roots as this is where the satanism is. It is also the only way to trace the scope of the infiltration. Probably was mostly made up in the renaissance times
-I just dont trust them as to the extinction of other human species and the extent of the knowledge of this system of mindcontrol.
am going through some of your material as we speak

[Anonymous]

point one on josephus, couldn't agree more. i have asked in a the bible is repulsive thread (showing contradictions withing the torah+new testament), any source for jesus of nazarene not based on him.
point two: jewish Kaballah goes way back than --

No need to waste your time - Where the jews come from has already been answered. I have answered this question in my audio's as well.
this stuff is made up in the 15th century Renaissance epoch - as demonstrated in my audio's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus

unless you are saying that all ziggarauts are 15th century or later. Ziggarauts are key, as they show the timeline and migration of the philosophy of the kaballah(doing pointless stuff). Whoever is sharing a Tengriism outlook would be sympathetic to jewish kabballah.
It is important to trace all jewish kabballah roots as this is where the satanism is. It is also the only way to trace the scope of the infiltration. Probably was mostly made up in the renaissance times
-I just dont trust them as to the extinction of other human species and the extent of the knowledge of this system of mindcontrol.
am going through some of your material as we speak

Remember Satanism is Saturnism, which is the Tammuz and Ishtar story

The history of Egyptian pyramids has come under question as well, AT Fomenko Dates them to about 700 years ago or so. There are many anomalies that pop up with regards to Egypt. You may recall when Napoleon   and champolion went to egypt they blew the crap out of stuff. When I was a kid I recall a cartoon that showed the french blowing the nose off the sphinx, but so say that there was a cross that was destroyed. Champolion would destroy the wall stuctos after he copied down what he wanted, so no one could verify his work or possibly hiding something? Also the iron found buried with in the stones of the pyramids is quite strange as well.

as far as ziggarauts, I don't know enough, but I can say that the info from the book that Arthur Koestler used as a source has an interesting statement about when the king died, they would bury all his burial team with him, very Egyptian indeed.

15th century is the paper record of history, the oldest known document a bible is 15th century, of coarse stones can't be dated.

[sullivan]

The history of Egyptian pyramids has come under question as well, AT Fomenko Dates them to about 700 years ago or so.

Radiocarbon dating of fragments of charred wood or other plant fibres in the mortar of the Great Pyramid puts the dates of various samples between 2800 and 3800 B.C.  What dating method does Fomenko use? Is it based on his astronomical research and statistical analysis?

[mgt23]

tracing the ziggaruats is key. they are the only way i see of following the money back through time, as they took up huge amounts of resources and completely wasted them. If they were clocks they were the most expensive rolex's ever made. I would like to see what influence the mongols had on khazars.

[Anonymous]

The history of Egyptian pyramids has come under question as well, AT Fomenko Dates them to about 700 years ago or so.

Radiocarbon dating of fragments of charred wood or other plant fibres in the mortar of the Great Pyramid puts the dates of various samples between 2800 and 3800 B.C.  What dating method does Fomenko use? Is it based on his astronomical research and statistical analysis?

Sullivan

currently i just finished Chap 2 of Chron 1 where he uses the horoscopes in egyptian tombs and temples to date those things. Aparently Chron 3 has the detailed analysys of those results.

he uses key events in written history and compares them with other epochs in a correlational way as well and very strange things happen indeed. As demonstrated below, this happens with egyption pharohs as well

http://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFAV ... #PPA264,M1

i have done several shows on the Radio carbon issues and limitations, The information is all there regarding Fomenko methods of dating which are numerous. Radio Carbon Dating is a political tool.

it might be worth a search on how many others question the validity of Radiocarbon dating

page 74 goes into details

http://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFAV ... o#PPA74,M1

I have read this for everyone - if you can bear with my poor reading skills

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[Anonymous]

tracing the ziggaruats is key. they are the only way i see of following the money back through time, as they took up huge amounts of resources and completely wasted them. If they were clocks they were the most expensive rolex's ever made. I would like to see what influence the mongols had on khazars.

trace the money to the Venetians aka Phoenecians they were the great financial arm and arms dealers of constantinople.
When Constantinople fell in 1453, so we are told, they fled north for protection from Ottoman-turks. they went to england and holland area. The Jewish Ghetto was next to the foundry, the most protected area.

then we have books like Jew of Malta, merchant of venice, and Ghostseers warning of the dangers of these foriegners.

the mongols were not the mongolian people of today, but most likely the taters, turks russian cossacks of that region, the Khazars were part of that.

I am still researching but that is were I am at.

[mgt23]

sorry i should have said mongoloid. I wanted to see what influence the mongoloid people had. this is not just about the mongols who were a recent development. I've been reading more on the Kaballah and it goes back before the original Khazars.

[mgt23]

http://erectuswalksamongst.us/

[Anonymous]

The history of Egyptian pyramids has come under question as well, AT Fomenko Dates them to about 700 years ago or so.

Radiocarbon dating of fragments of charred wood or other plant fibres in the mortar of the Great Pyramid puts the dates of various samples between 2800 and 3800 B.C.  What dating method does Fomenko use? Is it based on his astronomical research and statistical analysis?

Here is the math behind the madness

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