We need to begin being serious in journalism...

[LordLindsey]

:idea:  :idea:   I had my own organization a couple of years ago and I put out vital and breaking information that the media would generally overlook in the guise of press releases, as we were a genuine online organization and able to prepare our own press releases and credentials.  I think that it is high-time that we begin organizing in a serious way to not waste any time in sending out vital information in a massive way via press releases; they are sent to every major media forum whether it is in America or worldwide, depending on how much effort you want to put into it.  Since this is a worldwide organization, we can have people willing to send the information around via press releases in their home nations.  I am willing to do this in America and anyone else who wants to help me in an organizaed way would be that much more benefical and the same goes for anyone else in partner nations.

The only down-side is that I don't see much in the way of organization here as Noel does what he does generally on his own and without any assistance, but to make major headway in the short time that we really seem to have, it will take all of us of like-mind to work together to get the most important information out in our areas of the world.  If anyone has any ideas to aid Ognir in this most important endeavour, then please help him and I will do everything that I can from America.  

I used to work with a U S representative for 3.5 years and I really believe that time is running out for us to present the truth to the people, even those with a true heart in the mainstream media; remember--these people have friends and families and they talk to THEIR friends and families if the information is provable and important enough.  A continued barrage of "breaking information" in the form of faxed press releases will NOT go unnoticed and it DOES make an impact as I have been interviewed many times after sending out the results of our research and the combined efforts of other researchers' work in a cogent collection of material facts for a given time period or subject.  

After listening to Noel's latest audio file, I became re-inspired after a couple of years of inactivity in journalism and decided that if he is serious about credentials and getting TIU to become a real forum for news/journalism as well as activism, then let's stop the talking and get this put into action.

I have given my advice, but there is much more that we can and need to do to make TIU a force to be recognized in the REAL truth movement.  

LINDSEY

NB:  This is where we need to begin being cautious about the language that we use--myself included--and the material that some people decide to use on their own programs; I am not referring to Noel, but to others who seem to think that the situation in which we are soon to find ourselves as humans is a joking matter and use their "talents" in a crude presentation that really does nothing but make us look badly and a motley crew.  I will say it again; I truly believe that we don't have time for any more nonsense and we need to start doing something meaningful instead of making a few posts here and there and support Noel, DBS, Piper, and the few others who are sincere in their motives with real action in the way of journalism and activism.

[LordLindsey]

:idea:   One thing that we can do immediately with TIU is to have a newsletter that will add credibility as a news organzation.  We will have to have a deep discussion about this and details to fulfill this, but if we go beyond this forum and begin growing into a true source for information that we produce AND compile ourselves, then we will work in much the same formula as Rense and Jones, except that we will have our own flavor since we are TIU.  

Good job, Noel, and much appreciation for motivating me to bring this to TIU.

LINDSEY

NB:  Just look at The American Free Press; they only print a newspaper once a week and are a major press outfit in the "alternative media."  We can do much the same in a weekly compilation of the most important news that we find and then send it out to our subscribers *members, family, friends, etc.* and that will not only add much needed credibility as a news source, but also MUCH MORE NEEDED EXPOSURE from people who would otherwise not know about us without seeing that we are serious in what we know to be true.

NBB:  Noel, you must understand that since DBS has become much more focused and serious since CII, he is sending more and more people to TIU across the world--especially the Pan-African community.  The ideas and potential for making serious head-way are endless; all that it takes is for us to do it.  

[LordLindsey]

The "doozy" was about JAW being Celente's guru.  The peripheral information is important because we should be able to SPECULATE INTELLIGENTLY about WHY these Jewish Zionists and their collaborators are doing what they are doing.

You can keep your insults to yourself unless they are justified; perhaps you are simply red-in-the-face that someone with only 10 posts has tried to bring TIU into something bigger like is SHOULD be while someone with 440 posts is slighted when I don't even know who you are.   :lol:

The person who does another "radio show" who is a regular on this forum is the person to whom I am directly speaking; since he knows who he is and those who are like him on this forum, I am appealing to his better judgement to keep his shows free from the gutter material and the GUTTER MOUTH so that people coming to TIU don't literally get turned-off from the crude behavior of the few.

I am very pleased with the information exchange on the JAW/Celente post, and a lot of deep thoughts were exchanged; THAT is the point of discussion, whether it is right or wrong.  

Now, is there anyone at TIU with something MEANINGFUL to offer to the discussion at-hand?

LINDSEY

NB:  If you are not willing to take TIU as far as it possibly can go to get the truth to the MOST amount of people, then why are you HERE?   :?:  :?:  :?:

[Ognir]

What I saw yesterday, was the Jewish Lobby at work here in Switzerland and it brought home to me how badly organised we are and we have some serious work ahead for ourselves.


We in-fight and they scheme against us

[mgt23]

if you think elitism is the way forward....your wrong. Honesty is. Being yourself is. Gutter people are where its at. Anonymous individual action is the aim and you are not going to be able to see what motivates others to this aim by looking at what motivates you. "Serious Journalism" is getting out there in the faces of TPTB and offering the sources and rational to the plan. Not being some sort of messiah/demagogue/piper to the converted. Success should NOT be viewed in terms of view count of a show, but in the productivity/accuracy of the information of the forum as a whole. The ripple of the effect of TiU extends beyond what one can measure. Imo TiU is a community with its own identity, not just a platform for a "mass movement call to action".
@ognir

how badly organised we are

what does this mean? what would you have people do? Do you mean why weren't there many TiU there, prepared and ready? as for infighting on TiU its virtually non-existent and i'm on here constantly. Most of the infighting is done by people off TiU (eric/bollyn/dbs episodes etc etc)


Live and let live.

[LordLindsey]

EXACTLY!  Let's get organized and make TIU the most that it can be.  I have been where you are now, but I gave-up and I left America in disgust only to be racked with guilt knowing what I know and knowing that I did the ENTIRELY WRONG THING.  There are too many good people here who can contribute to making TIU the best that it can be and a REAL newsite for our own investigations/interviews/exposes, and at the same time provide a great forum and regular radio show.

We must use the added benefits that DBS has give TIU by exposure to a world-wide audience, and working with DBS in getting the word out to his listeners that TIU is available as an alternative media forum for "citizen-journalists" will only help add to the exposure and credibility when trying to get truly difficult credentials.

I do not want to argue with anyone, and that is precisely why I did NOT use names when addressing the people who know that they are not helping the cause by many of their actions and words, but that is for them to make right; I can only try to help myself be better after I know that I have made a mistake.  I am only trying to share my knowledge and experience with all of you because I was actually involved in real politics for 3.5 years on a personal level.  I am only 32, and Noel you are much older than I am, but you have "been there, done that" but instead of throwing-in the towel as I did in the past you perservered and kept going in this fight...

I am only saying that now is the time to take it to the next level and make something very big of TIU and take it from the small forum that it is to a real news site from where we can use our credentials to cover important events and confront with VERY HARD QUESTIONS the people we KNOW are involved in these serious crimes against humanity--notice that I said QUESTIONS...while activism is always an important part of TIU, we can easily meld journalism with activism if the two are put into a form of powerful questioning...ie radio interviews or other venues, whether they are public or private.  

One more thing:  Noel, it is my opinion that it is time to mend fences with the people and/or other forums/organizations that are legitimate; throwing the baby out with the bath water, as the saying goes, is not acceptable in the short time that we have as there are too many good people out there who can help our MUTUAL CAUSE, but issues may simply need to be sorted out and misunderstandings resolved.  I have many people on my end who are more than willing to do what they can from my old organization, but they just don't have a venue to do anything, especially after seeing me leave for SE Asia for nearly two (2) years in disgust of the general public's inactivity in "the good ole' days" before everything has completely collapsed!   :lol:  :lol:   Things are far different now, and people who were not going to listen THEN are more than willing to listen now, especially if they are told who destroyed their futures AND WHY.

LINDSEY

NB:  Nobodaddy, I apologize for my sharp rebuttal to you.  We must work together in any and every way that is possible; I was wrong to say anything negative to you, but I should have done what I am doing now and tell you that nothing was directed to YOU but to others who need to stop the gutter mouth and gutter radio and be much more serious in their efforts.

[sullivan]

if you think elitism is the way forward....your wrong. Honesty is. Being yourself is.

I didn't read that into it, but I can see how it might be interpreted that way. While individual styles may vary, the core of the matter is the discovery and presentation of the truth and the uncovering and exposing of lies. To be effective and stand some chance against the inevitable opposition, this must not be the product of an emotional and subjective perspective or merely a personal catharsis.

Gutter people are where its at.

Perhaps, but that is probably because that is where they have been told they are. It still doesn't mean that we should seek to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Anonymous individual action is the aim and you are not going to be able to see what motivates others to this aim by looking at what motivates you.

Sometimes individual action doesn't cut it and collective action is required. That's when you need to assured that you and those around you are more or less agreed on the direction they are heading in and the strategy to be used to get to the destination.

Not being some sort of messiah/demagogue/piper to the converted.

I have to agree there. We shouldn't put anyone on a pedastal, and whatever we put out ourselves should always encourage the reader/listener/viewer not to take our word for it, but to research it for themselves.

Success should NOT be viewed in terms of view count of a show, but in the productivity/accuracy of the information of the forum as a whole.

View count on takes on a meaning when what is being viewed is quality information.

how badly organised we are

what does this mean? what would you have people do? Do you mean why weren't there many TiU there, prepared and ready? as for infighting on TiU its virtually non-existent and i'm on here constantly. Most of the infighting is done by people off TiU (eric/bollyn/dbs episodes etc etc)

I don't think Ognir was referring to infighting here, but more to the fact that we are up against a virtual hive-mind that can very effectively put aside all differences to pursue a shared aim.  We as a movement haven't quite got that yet.

[satya]

Lindsey - Why haven't you started your own forum, blog, radio show, podcasts, etc.?  You sound articulate and intelligent enough.

[mgt23]

Gutter people are where its at.

Perhaps, but that is probably because that is where they have been told they are. It still doesn't mean that we should seek to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I would appeal to anyone and everyone. I never underestimate anyone.

While individual styles may vary, the core of the matter is the discovery and presentation of the truth and the uncovering and exposing of lies.

agreed

To be effective and stand some chance against the inevitable opposition, this must not be the product of an emotional and subjective perspective

that is a physical and mental impossibility. what matters is the bringing to attention previously unknown/low profile information. so what if the presentation is emotional, take a look at waterboarding and then say that.

or merely a personal catharsis.

this i agree with. Its ok to be emotional and subjective as long as its controlled backed with sources and your aim is the neutralization of the enemy not pain relief.

[Ognir]

The idea of a newsletter might be a good start.

I'll count myself & Nobo out as neither of us  can type for crap  :lol:

Sullie was right, there is very little infighting here and I was referring to other places on the net.

Dickhead GoyumPride sent me this on Skype
"[03:13:13] GoyimPride says: Happy Hitler Day! "

As for exposure coming from working with DBS, we've known that all along. DBS would like to work more with some other people here on TiU, mainly our smart boys Sullie, Mike or Scottie that he knows about. DBS has had several people sign up so they can post their research here and then he can link to us. DBS is a member here and shit better get him to drop by and say a few words soon :lol:  :lol:

All I know is, time isn't on our side in all of this

How about we a thread about what each member is capable of and then see what we can do.

[Ognir]

Chill out Stevo
Shit I've to decode your message mosts of the time :lol:  :lol:

[Jenny Lake]

I was under the impression that I was joining into a forum for discussion. As such, expecting to get opinions and the expression of feelings. People live their lives by feelings. I would be disappointed to see this group resort to the limitations of "facts".

There's no reason why serious journalism can't happen here, and it does, and some of the threads are exceptional. Since this is also exposed to the public, no one is prevented from using or benefiting from the content of posts.

It's certainly up to the creators of this forum to guide the rest of us in appropriate use --until such announcements happen, I'll take my cue from the general flavors.

[LordLindsey]

Look, I have already had an organization that I led, but since TIU has so much more behind it since it is world-wide and has two wonderful radio personalities behind it--Noel and DBS--I would rather work with you from and have the people I know join in than re-create the organization myself.

Jenny, do not mis-understand the intentions here; it is past time that TIU became something much bigger than it is and NOTHING WILL CHANGE THE ABILITY FOR US TO SPECULATE AS WELL AS DEAL WITH HARD FACTS.  We need you Jenny and many more like you, and as always, I am most sincere in saying that to you.

Noel, we need to have everyone on the forum begin to bring in more people, especially people with talents that others of us do not have; I am not perfect in any way but I CAN write well and I love to do research and confront people with facts of things that they have done and not let go until they expose themselves further or run away--either way the people see that where there is smoke, there is a raging fire.  Noel, you have made many more contacts in the alternative media than I have because I have been away from the "fight" for over 1.5 years while in SE Asia.  This is where organization of duties comes into focus; we all need to lay out our strengths and then decide who does what and as more and more talent comes to TIU, we will see what else can be done.

The bottom line, my friends, is that we are quickly running out of time and WE ALL KNOW IT.  I am NOT the leader of this organization, NOEL IS.  I am only someone with a passion for doing everything that I can do to change the future as I know too much to go back to being a cucumber again.  *Once you become a pickle, you never go back to being a cucumber again.*  In fact, I could leave the forum today satisfied that I have lit the fuse for TIU to reach its full potential and that is more satisfactory to me than almost anything else that I could have said or done on TIU; I won't leave, but you understand my point.

Having said all that I have said, let's get started on a separate thread and let's make TIU as loud of a voice as it possibly can be!!!    :!:   :!:   :!:

[mgt23]

http://www.answers.com/topic/chariots-of-fire

Despite pressure from the Prince of Wales and the British Olympic committee, Liddell refuses to run a heat of the 100 metres at the Olympics because his Christian convictions prevent him from running on Sunday. To remedy the sensitive issue, his teammate Lord Andrew Lindsey (Nigel Havers) proposes to trade places with Liddell so that Lindsey would represent Great Britain in the 100m, while Liddell would instead compete in the 400 metre race on the following Tuesday, thus averting his need to run on Sunday. Liddell at church on Sunday is seen quoting Isaiah 40, verse 31:

    'But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and be not weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.'


Historical accuracy
The Great Court, Trinity College, Cambridge; represented by Eton College in the film


The film depicts Abrahams as attending Caius College, Cambridge, with two other Olympic athletes, Aubrey Montague and Lord Andrew Lindsey. Montague did in fact compete in the Olympics, although little is known about him. The main source of information about Montague was a series of letters he wrote to his parents about his time at Cambridge and the Olympics; these letters were the basis of Montague's narration in the film.

The idea that using professional trainers was illegal is contradicted by the two facts, first Sam Mussabini trained many other British athletes, both in 1924 and in previous Olympics, dating back to 1908, (see Sam Mussabini, Wikipedia), and also that using professional trainers was a common practice in ancient Olympics.(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Olympics/amat.html)

The character of Lord Lindsey was loosely based on Lord Burghley, a significant figure in the history of British athletics. Although Burghley did attend Cambridge, he was not a contemporary of Harold Abrahams, as Abrahams was an undergraduate from 1919 to 1923 and Burghley was at Cambridge from 1923 to 1927. Burghley was still living at the time of the film, and it was a notable historical inaccuracy in the script which reportedly led him to refuse permission for his name to be used in the film. One scene in the film recreates a race in which the runners attempt to run round the perimeter of the Great Court at Trinity College, Cambridge in the time it takes the clock to strike 12 at midday. The film shows Abrahams performing the feat for the first time in history. In fact, at the time of filming the only person known to have succeeded was Lord Burghley in 1927 (the feat has since been accomplished by Trinity undergraduate Sam Dobin, in October 2007).[2]

The film also takes liberties with the events at the 1924 Olympics itself, most notably the events surrounding Liddell's refusal to race on a Sunday. In the film, he only learns on boarding the boat to Paris that one of the heats is to be held on the Sabbath. In fact, the schedule was made public several months in advance, and Liddell spent the remaining months training for the 400 metres, an event in which he had previously excelled The film depicts Lord Lindsey, having already won a medal in the 400 metre hurdles, giving up his place in the 400 metres for Liddell. In fact Burghley was eliminated in the heats of the 110 hurdles (he would go on to win a gold medal in the 1928 Olympics), and Lindsey's deference to Liddell in the 400 was entirely fabricated.

for the younger TiU those who may not know who Lord Lindsey actually was.

[sullivan]

To be effective and stand some chance against the inevitable opposition, this must not be the product of an emotional and subjective perspective

that is a physical and mental impossibility. what matters is the bringing to attention previously unknown/low profile information. so what if the presentation is emotional, take a look at waterboarding and then say that.

That's not quite what I meant. What I mean is the sort of scatter-gun approach that lacks finesse or tact and that is utterly unsupported by facts. Of course nothing can be devoid of emotion but to be effective, it can't be based on emotion. Emotion plays a supporting role to the main actor... facts.

[satya]

Look, I have already had an organization that I led, but since TIU has so much more behind it since it is world-wide and has two wonderful radio personalities behind it--Noel and DBS--I would rather work with you from and have the people I know join in than re-create the organization myself.

Which organization and what happened to it?

The bottom line, my friends, is that we are quickly running out of time and WE ALL KNOW IT.  I am NOT the leader of this organization, NOEL IS.  I am only someone with a passion for doing everything that I can do to change the future as I know too much to go back to being a cucumber again.  *Once you become a pickle, you never go back to being a cucumber again.*  In fact, I could leave the forum today satisfied that I have lit the fuse for TIU to reach its full potential and that is more satisfactory to me than almost anything else that I could have said or done on TIU; I won't leave, but you understand my point.

Having said all that I have said, let's get started on a separate thread and let's make TIU as loud of a voice as it possibly can be!!!    :!:   :!:   :!:

Don't get ahead of yourself.  Be careful of Pied Pipers.

[mgt23]

Its ok to be emotional and subjective as long as its controlled backed with sources and your aim is the neutralization of the enemy not pain relief.

and that is utterly unsupported by facts

1:note i said backed with sources
2:i agree basing an opinion solely on emotion leads to error and irrational think hence "as long as its controlled"
3:if we didn't have emotion in our thinking we would be robots/or have too much emotion and become irrational and no better than animals and that is precisely what they want-the destruction of our humanity.

4:Lord Lindsey seems to think that the opinion of gutter people is not only irrelevant but counter productive as offensive language like swearing turns off people to the movement. This I must say is a very very middle class attitude. But your scared of associating with gutter trash? Or other people are? I personally would not like to just interview middle class conspiracy celebrities. He is evasive as to who exactly he is, what his former organization was and why he left the movement. I have yet to hear a audio from him and quite frankly patronizes/stereotypes/presupposes the nature of the mentality of the global joe bloggs. I disagree with the use of racist terms of joe blow, but i still listen to his shows and extract a lot of value from his quality research. And i am intelligent to know he's not "gutter" either. Let's see you do a show with him?
5: Put your Cards on the table Lindsey, what have you got? Prepare your dossier of research that you feel you can publish without jeopardizing your contacts in a PDF format.
6:I like the idea of a news letter but maybe i shouldn't take you seriously because your middle class? or maybe I can just look at your research and offer my humble services to help in anyway you see fit? dont presuppose what you know about people from a voice but the content of what they say.

[sullivan]

I was under the impression that I was joining into a forum for discussion. As such, expecting to get opinions and the expression of feelings. People live their lives by feelings. I would be disappointed to see this group resort to the limitations of "facts".

Nobody disputes that. However, without a foundation of facts, you can have whatever opinions you choose, but the fact that they are your or my opinions doesn't make them credible or convincing.  There is nothing whatsoever wrong with a passionate but well reasoned opinion. What we don't need is knee-jerk reactionary stuff that is the product of zero thought and the same amount of research.  I've yet to see anything here that falls squarely into that latter category, thankfully.

[LordLindsey]

Don't insult me.  

http://www.atagg.org; it is defunct now, but it was becoming quite impressive before I threw in the towel after seeing nothing close to hope in the people and a complete lack of interest on a grand scale of making any real change for our collective futures.

If you consider yourself to be a "gutter person" that is YOUR statement of YOURSELF.  If this line of ridiculous and distractive dialogue continues then I will simply not be a part of it.  I came here to HELP because we are running out of time to do anything substantive and if this is the way that someone with a real sense of purpose is treated, then I will simply not waste my effort in this as I had believed that all of you saw the real potential with TIU being much more than it is now and were willing to work together to make it a much more organized effort to counter the bullshit that is out there.

Again, I will say this only one more time:  I am NOT an elitist, and it is not my fault that I take care in my writing and try to write well and articulately.  DO NOT INSULT ME PERSONALLY AS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ALL BE WORKING FOR THE SAME GOAL ON THE SAME TEAM.  

I don't deserve it, and I will simply NOT stand for it.

LINDSEY

[mgt23]

plz plz place your cards on the table as what is substantive. as for being gutter person then yes i am proud of that "have you ever slept rough on the streets? ever been to a traveller site? ever slept rough in the cold with tamul protesters? no i dont think so. no i'm not insulting you, your just pissing me off with your self importance.

just get on with your audio's so we can have a good long look at you. i want to form an opinion from what you say, not on your critique of people on TiU or elsewhere. To be honest i dont think anyone has the answers your looking for, as until the food riots start-no one is going to be doing anything. It is only the lowliest destitute gutter people who have everything to lose that i care about, not smug people who think i can sit this one out. Yes we should concentrate on the message so lets here it Lindsey....get on audio and stop pussy footing around. I want to hear what you have to say not just on who did it to us, even gutter people know that, but on what we can do..................................
Ognirs personal skills thread is a start, but what skills do we need in the first place to neutralize zionists?
Freetruth's propersition of networking with the police and military is a start, as whats needed is a revolution now before the rioting starts and wheres your newsletter then?
things i've suggested

Food independence---veggie patch etc
water independence---smartstill
electric independence---wind turbine
maybe some ways of getting cheap materials to furfil the above(here is where networking is useful)
getting off fiat money by pushing barter internet
getting a p2p encrypted wifi scene transnationally and within a budget
switch off your talmud vision
keep to realism and verifiable sources
stay on message
build a bunkerx2 one hidden
stay off vaccines
physically spy on zionists and release footage on large trackers like con cen or umunu.com(this will require equipment and training)
pushing the dancing israeli's for all its worth to everyone you know and fuck it post 911 missing links and other isreal ops to cops and military bases.
stay away from fantasy Lindsey and show me something new we can do that we haven't thought of already and pushing.
we somehow have to prove might is right is defeatable, not just wrong.
Now get your audio up and running and show the gutter trash how its done please.

edit: i'm so pleased for you can write so well and articulately, so why all the mooching around with cloak and dagger shit. Come out and share what you have. I did 4 years of philosophy at degree level, work in 2 private schools and 4 CoEng and heard enough intellectual bullshit in my time. but do you know what?- it was very well crafted bullshit and articulate too.

[Jenny Lake]

Lindsey--
I reread your topmost post so not to miss your intentions. Being a newbie here myself, I have no "history" with anyone trashing up the threads. So far, I'm enjoying myself-- and at the end of the day that counts for alot. As I have the time, I'm looking back at older threads/posts to find material that's interesting, newsy, or news to me.

Forums are kind of a "factory floor". Customers have to enter through the "showroom". So, I get your suggestion of creating finished product for the showroom. We still need a factory floor. For as much as I'm here to post, read, share, and learn, I bring whatever integrity to it as I have. I also want the camaraderie of people who came to TIU with that spirit. Sometimes I just want to let my hair down and relax --have conversation about the issues and get a feel for the experiences of others in the group.

It's up to Ognir & staff to manage the outcome of your suggestion. For myself, sometimes it's "print" and sometimes it ain't. I don't have any performance anxiety here-- nor did I think I had to. I think your idea is great. Maybe all that's needed is a willing editor and a format. Can-do? Personally, I'd appreciate knowing what you mean by "having little time". Little time for.......?