the When-Pigs-Fly flu

[Jenny Lake]

Word has it influenza virus was discovered in 1931. That would have to be the H1N1 which was retroactively assigned to the Spanish flu. John Barry (The Great Influenza) wrote that a Mr. J.S. Koen from the Agriculture Dept called it a swine influenza --Koen was a hog cholera expert. That's seeding the past, imo. We had a go-round in the 70s with "swine flu" and I think this situation needs a more appropriate designation based on the complexities involved -- how about When-Pigs-Fly flu ?

[EireWarrior]

Google Updated Maps Of Flu Outbreaks

 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...685519,360&z=1


H1N1 Swine Flu
H1N1 Swine flu in 2009
Pink markers are suspect
Purple markers are confirmed
Deaths lack a dot in marker

[EireWarrior]

Word has it influenza virus was discovered in 1931. That would have to be the H1N1 which was retroactively assigned to the Spanish flu. John Barry (The Great Influenza) wrote that a Mr. J.S. Koen from the Agriculture Dept called it a swine influenza --Koen was a hog cholera expert. That's seeding the past, imo. We had a go-round in the 70s with "swine flu" and I think this situation needs a more appropriate designation based on the complexities involved -- how about When-Pigs-Fly flu ?

1976: Fear of a great plague

On the cold afternoon of February 5, 1976, an Army recruit told his drill instructor at Fort Dix that he felt tired and weak but not sick enough to see military medics or skip a big training hike.

Within 24 hours, 19-year-old Pvt. David Lewis of Ashley Falls, Mass., was dead, killed by an influenza not seen since the plague of 1918-19, which took 500,000 American lives and 20 million worldwide.

Two weeks after the recruit's death, health officials disclosed to America that something called "swine flu" had killed Lewis and hospitalized four of his fellow soldiers at the Army base in Burlington County.

Link: Capital Century: 1976: Fear of a great plague

Worth a read  

[Jenny Lake]

Thanks for posting the article EW!

The ominous name of the flu alone was enough to touch off civilian fear of an epidemic. And government doctors knew from tests hastily conducted at Dix after Lewis' death that 500 soldiers had caught swine flu without falling ill.

Only young Lewis died...

Back to 1931 --credit for "discovering" influenza went to Richard E. Shope. In post-WWII, Shope became the director of the Commission for Epidemiological Survey, the U.S. Army"s biowarfare program leadership at Ft. Detrick. He also discovered the "rabbit fibroma virus" as a staff scientist of the Rockefeller Institute (transmissible tumors, 1932 Journal of Experimental Medicine, vol56, 793-802)

The U.S. Army records on flu are very interesting and include information from the U.S. Public Health Service --USPHS shows 12 flu epidemics between 1919 and 1939, the worst happened in 1919-20, 1928-29, and 1936-37 for mortality. The 1928 flu rate in the army was 523 per 1,000. During WWII, January of 1943, the rate was 530 per 1,000 --that 1943-44 season being a larger pandemic of flu cases (non-fatal) than in 1918.
http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs ... luenza.htm

[Ognir]

Thanks for posting the article EW!

Joe is starting to believe :lol:

[EireWarrior]

Joe is starting to believe

Fecker :lol:  I'm progressing

No problem Jenny  

[Jenny Lake]

More from my notes and the army website above:

The 1936-37 flu was a global pandemic with very high rates of flu among civilians.  High flu numbers in the U.S.,1940, violated the normal trend by reverse direction of the spread, this time from the Pacific eastward. Concentrations in the military flu (which was 4x higher in 1940 than the previous 3 years) show a geographic specific definition. Just an aside, but the new National Nutrition Council for Defense was forced in 1940 to respond to the Selective Service's rejection of one thirdof prospective young recruits for malnutrition. The army had continuing problems with epidemic flu among recruits-- at Camp Mackall, N.C., 64% of the recruits (who were housed and "seasoned" 6 months) got the flu within 5 days of each other, described as involving "all parts of the camp in an explosive fashion". Fort Bragg, N.C. had 35% of its personnel quarantined for flu. Recognition of a viral agent was not determined, as it was also not known in 1918.

Milton J. Rosenau, who was a staff chief at the Chelsea Naval Hospital in Boston in 1918 said "No conclusive agent or consistent results were obtained" after a careful experiment of trying to infect Navy volunteers. The men were sprayed directly in their faces and open mouths with a serum made from victims and then required to sit in the hospital wards for hours visiting the patients. The website further notes that "It is interesting and surprising that apparently no material from patients was kept which could be subjected to later study for virus."

[Drs. M.J. Rosenau, et.al, "Experiments Upon Volunteers to Determine the Cause and Mode of Spread of Influenza", Boston, Nov-Dec 1918; USPHS Hygiene Lab, Bulletin 123 Feb.1921]

[Jenny Lake]

Influenza after 1918 had reverted to its normal bahavior of recirrent epidemics at intervals of a few years, varying in distribution and severity but commonly mild. This increased the tendency to conclude that interpandemic influenza was a different disease and that influenza was in fact a clinical syndrome rather than a disease entity.

Influenza then, in the 20 years since 1918, had returned to its former status of recurrent epidemics at short intervals, oftern so mild as to be unnoticed but with certain episodes of pandemic distribution and of sufficient severity to cause considerable alarm and disturbancein the general population...

--italics are mine--

Reports based on clinical diagnosis were, as alwaysunreliable since many factors, including publicity or special instructions, had a large influence in this respect. Army data show this effect clearly...in the lack of reports of influenza from some areas when an epidemic was known to be occurring...

--italics mine again--

Further, these are quoted statements from influenza reports in 1940:
--In June and July 1940, well-marked epidemics of influenza A occurred in Cuba and Puerto Rico...
--At the same time, an epidemic of mild influenza was reported from Argentina...
--In August, the admission rates for influenza showed a sudden rise in the Philippine Islands...
--During 1940 in Australia...influenza was not isolated until September...
--Influenza was noted in Hawaii in the middle of September and declared epidemic on Sept.26. Approximately 16,500 cases were reported...
                                    ________________________________________________________________________________

One of the world experts on influenza was an Australian named Frank MacFarlane Burnet who made his career initially as the discoverer of Q fever from an event in Jan.1928:
..."there was a disaster in the country town of Bundaberg in Queensland when 18 of 21 children who had received injections of a toxin-antitoxin mixture became ill within the next 12 hours and 12 (of them) died."
Burnet followed this with a publication called "The Production of Antibodies" which led to a Nobel Prize. He then turned his attention to polio, discovering a new strain, and funded by Rockefeller grants, studied in London with Sir Henry Dale (discoverer of neurotransmitters). From 1931 to 1933, his funding was supplied for work on animal viruses, but his "contributions" were to polio and human influenza, succeeding as the first scientist to isolate an influenza virus from a human case. "Influenza virus was to be the centerpiece of his experimental research for many years from 1940 to 1957."

Backtracking to 1934, Burnet wrote "Biological Aspects of Infectious Diseases" about his work on Q fever --the infecting microbe came to bear his name, Coxiella burnetii. In the U.S. it was the epidemic Rocky Mountain spotted fever. Professional biowarfare websites identify Q fever as a special interest bioweapon. In fact, Burnet had a special interest in bioweapons, giving advice to the Australian government to find suitable agents. By his suggestions, cross-species intestinal agents were ideal.

In 1944, Burnet became the director at Melbourne's "Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research" where his first task was to appoint a gastroenterologist to the clinical staff. During these years "Burnet's team unravelled the function of influenza virus neuraminidase and (Gordon) Ada demonstrated that the influenza virus genome was RNA, while Burnet himself concentrated on the influenza virus genetics. After clarifying the mutational nature...he demonstrated that when cells were mixedly infected with strains with different properties they combined readily. Indeed, they recombined with such high frequency that other scientists...did not believe it. Always ready to speculate, Burnet himself suggested that perhaps the genome of the influenza virus 'may fracture and the fragments replicate themselves independently'. Some ten years later it was demonstrated that the influenza virus genome was indeed fragmented, and that high frequency recombination was indeed due to reassortment of these fragments..."

[LordLindsey]

http://susiemadrak.com/2009/04/26/12/27 ... -reported/

Once the vaccination program goes active, the REAL nightmare will begin...

People had better prepare for food and defensive planning IMMEDIATELY because I can see the writing on the wall with this.  My only hope is that enough people understand the WHOLE TRUTH and who is doing this to us and WHY and the people put an end to this once and for all.  Once people start seeing their loved-ones dying and they find out that this was created because it can't be made naturally, I pray to GOD that finally these fuckers have gone too far and this program against humanity is ended.

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

Influenza research and polio are borne out as inseperable components of biowar. There are approximately 200 different polioviruses and the list of qualifiers is growing. Flu seems destined to take this route. The two are "master" illnesses, brought to us by the same team of managers. While F. MacFarlane Burnet was working on flu in Australia, Thomas Francis Jr. and Jonas Salk were preparing flu vaccines in the U.S.

Despite appearances, and the claim that after 1919, influenza took on "normal behavior", there's no record that I can find of anyone keeping flu stats until after WWI. They didn't even call it flu --it was "grippe", flu-like with intestinal symptoms. This was a "misdiagnosis" of polio until the vaccines came along. The most common misdiagnosis of all was food-poisoning.

Descriptions of the flu vaccine trials are in the writings of Gordon Meikeljohn of the Army Epidemiological Board (or the AFEB, when name changed to include "Armed Forces"), who writes that Francis and Salk injected mental patients with irradiated serums. Everything irradiated. Microbial survivors of irradiation were further "selected", in an evolutionary sense --this is the same process by which fast replicating mutant soil-organisms came to be the antibiotics of choice. Like other GMOs, they just can't be kept out of the environment once widely introduced, although that isn't cause of their survival. Mutants are overwhelmingly disposed to die-off in a natural process.

[Jenny Lake]

Lindsey--
The recombination of flu genes CAN happen naturally. Animals get inoculations too, perhaps more routinely than people. The vaccines keep reintroducing the mutant microbes in a world getting more chemically complex. As I see it, sustaining their existence while defensive systems break down.

[LordLindsey]

Therein lies my point--according to what you are saying, Jenny, the vaccines are causing these jumps and transmutations, right?  In that case, since these scientists know much more than "I" know about virology, they would also KNOW that what they are doing will lead to recombination virii pandemics, am I right as well?

The bottom line is that no matter how anyone looks at this, people are dying by the HUNDREDS LITERALLY DEAD, and with many thousands more apparently infected WORLDWIDE.  I am sick and tired of excuses by people saying that this is not as serious as it seems because the point is that even if it is NOT, it will bring about the cause for the implementation of martial law and the lock-down of population centers; you can see that happening NOW with the entire city of Mexico City having all of its schools closed and doctors so terrified that they are refusing treatment to people who are sick.

There is nothing that any of us can do except TALK and speculate, but I am following the belief that it is better to be safe than sorry and my money is on this getting much, much worse once the vaccination program goes into effect.  This entire "pandemic flu" situation is NOT the point; the point is the totality of the program that is planned for humanity with the complete destruction of our money system, the complete destruction of people's hope for the future, and the complete destruction of the trust among the people in general of each other and of the people that they have "elected" to SERVE THEM.  The entire system is in complete shambles and this is only making that reality much more clear to anyone with any brain function in them.  We are being set-up and this "pandemic flu" situation is only going to get worse as it continues to spread and mutate with the vaccination protocol.  

Before I forget, Jenny, did you not say that virii are not what they appear to be?  Even if that is the case, SOMETHING IS KILLING PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD, and was killing people across the world in the late teens of the last century; if it was the vaccination program, then that goes further to prove my point--but SOMETHING HAS STARTED NOW before the mass-vaccination program like the "Spanish flu pandemic."  Can you explain this in a separate topic, please, because I would like to know how this just appeared out of nowhere when a few weeks before this happened DRILLS WERE BEING RUN IN TEXAS SIMULATING A PANDEMIC FLU WITH BILLIONS DYING...

Enough bullshit; more answers.

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

I fully comprehend your point Lindsey. The flu situation is just the false-flag for program implementation, but once again, avoiding vaccines is not the guaranteed avoidance of sickness. No guarantees here.

The false impression of immunity and disease, as Dr. Banks points out on DBS audio, is a measure of antibody production --the T2 aspect of the immune system. Vaccines are designed to produce antibodies which are "markers" --that's it. Antibodies tag the pathogens and it's up to the T1 immunity (your real immune system health) to raise the killer response. The adult flu victims died of an overactive T1 response-- presumably from too many antibodies. I have doubts about the vaccine implications in the 1918 flu, but not for the decades of the 30s to the present when it's very plausible. The "junk DNA" theories suggest we have latent vestigial matter (some in the catagory of foreign DNA) that gets activated or sliced/diced and misrepaired as part of this potential mix, enhancing atypical and chronic autoimmune disease potential, but what I don't know is if this has a role in acute illnesses like flu....whether novel reassortments impact this antibody overproduction...or even if these are the right questions. Vaccines, however, are a huge and dangerous risk. No question.
But just a risk. I've been addressing the issues in the articles I've posted.

Since we can guess at what would happen if vaccines are refused --people need to think it over, when push comes to shove. I'm going to reread your post and think about what more I could add.

[Jenny Lake]

Based on my feelings from investigation of the 1918 flu, it was a biowar operation. There were multiple illnesses going around and at certain unique times and places, lethal "mutations" occurred that are beyond suspicious. The media spin now is preparing us to expect deaths, still a normal part of flu,  so is this "the Big one"? Maybe it is. Its going to take months for it to unfold if they want it to appear "natural". I'm interested in seeing people survive. period. Even if they take a vaccine as preferable to detention or worse.

[Jenny Lake]

This is the real vaccine experiment done on mental patients in Michigan by Thomas Francis Jr., Jonas Salk, et.al., first published in 1944.
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/101633 ... d-page/536

I find these studies very ambiguous. Vaccine trials include people who were injected with placebo (the basic composition with formaldehyde and mercuric nitrate, in this case) and put in the "not inoculated" category --part of the illusion. Controls who had zero inoculations, of course, are in this category too. In spite of that, reading this kind of material leads me to conclusions that vaccines suppress the real immunity, demonstrated in this trial by a febrile response.

I've pulled out a few quotes:

"Clinical signs of  infection with influenza virus may occur with or without serological evidence; the latter set of circumstances [without blood evidence] is most commonly noted in vaccinated individuals with high antibody titers. Similarly, serological evidence of infection may be obtained with or without obvious clinical signs."....

"The fact that antibody rises can occur in the absence of any clinical evidence of infection has been repeatedly noted with the natural disease (13) and with induced infection (1,8) but the present data emphasize again that the clinical infection does not always evoke measurable changes in concentration of serum antibody. The point of significance here is that while a fairly high correlation exists between distinct clinical reactions and positive serological responses in a group of unvaccinated individuals, the correlation between the two was very low in a group of vaccinated subjects. Thus, if antibody response alone were to serve as an index of infection, the evidence would be weighted in favor of the vaccinated group."...

"reinoculation of a group of adults, who probably have had multiple experiences with influenza viruses, did not seem to have a 'booster' effect."...

"The reason why there was a relatively large number of persons who responded with febrile reactions in the group vaccinated 4 1/2 months previously cannot be fully explained. It could represent the results of a failure to develop immunity following vaccination or it could mean that there had been a decrease of an immunity which originally was developed in response to inoculation. However, in view of the fact that the groups vaccinated 2 weeks before infection were more resistant, the increased amount of clinical illness in those vaccinated 4 months before testing suggests that the result was related to a waning of resistance which had been more marked earlier. The question of duration of immunity following vaccination requires further study."...

"The reason for this dissociation between clinical and serological response is believed to be related, in part at least, to the existence of relatively high antibody titers before infection in the vaccinated groups."...