Mousavi is now hurting his country and helping to destabiliz

[joeblow]

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -iran.html

here are excerpts from the above excellent link

"Mousavi is no idiot for sure (check out his resume here), and since he is not an idiot, he must know that he lost this election and that, in fact, Ahmadinejad won by an un-fakable landslide. Still, he choose the destablilize his own country at a moment when that country is facing a possible military agression from abroad. What does that tell you about Mousavi? It tells me that he is objectively the tool of yet another US backed destabilization campaign. It matters little whether Mousavi himself is a paid CIA agent, or whether his entourage is carefully using his ego to push him towards the kind of action he has taken now. The bottom line is still that Mousavi is now hurting his country and helping to destabilize it.

I don't think that this Mousavi thing is going anywhere. Both the vast majority of Iranians and the entire power structure of the government will never let him destabilize the country. Sure, the Western press will constantly remind us that "Ahmadinejad stole the election", but it's not like Ahmadinejad was ever popular with the Zionist press corps, or like anybody in Iran really cares"

Rafsanjani, a mafioso ,backed Mousawi as did George Soros.

[memory hole]

The BBC are pissing their pants trying to push the "fake election" theroy.

That alone makes me think its bullshit. Not a squeak came out of them with the now proven beyond any doubt Dubya election scam.



If there pushing the other bloke, you can gaurentee hes a puppet for the West and Zion.

Fuk knows amn, my Iranian polictics knowledge is thin to say the least.

[MikeWB]

joeblow, but people clearly don't want the dictatorship that they have in Iran. Clearly, many people want freedom... and especially young ones.

So while this uprising is helping Zios, it's Iran's fault for running a dictatorship and denying people basic freedoms like having any type of haircut or wearing any clothes you want.

[joeblow]

Putting aside my prejudices, before the latest lie about vote-rigging, if that was true, then almost all elected politicians in the entire country (not just Tehran) would be Western-backed "Reformists". Then one might say "there is a religious hierarchy that removes the candidates before the elections!". Well, as one who has lived almost his entire life in the West, I can assuredly assert that the same occurs here, but with a Masonic/Kabbalistic/Satanic power-structure instead.

[Travis]

Do not be fooled this is nothing but the Zionists and their puppets trying to destabilize Iran. Also the event is being used by the cunt Zionist media to further build a case against Iran. What the shit heads in the west do not understand is that their own governments are far more oppressive and destructive than the Iranian regime.

[MikeWB]

Do not be fooled this is nothing but the Zionists and their puppets trying to destabilize Iran. Also the event is being used by the cunt Zionist media to further build a case against Iran. What the shit heads in the west do not understand is that their own governments are far more oppressive and destructive than the Iranian regime.

Would you live in Iran?

People yearning for more freedoms has nothing to do with Zionism.

Ahmedinejad stole the election, people are pissed & angered and all the pent up dissatisfaction with the current regime, which has been brewing for decades,  is spilling over to the streets.

Yes, this is helping Zios but this was not created by them. It's a simple social dynamic of how dictatorships eventually crumble.

[joeblow]

Ahmedinejad stole the election, people are pissed & angered and all the pent up dissatisfaction with the current regime, which has been brewing for decades,  is spilling over to the streets.

Mike buddy, I must strenuously object to your statement that the election was stolen, that is nothing more than "Color Revolution" propaganda. Those people you see in the streets are upper-class traitors who will quickly change their religion to Freemasonry as soon as the foreign troops occupy Iran (Jewland will be contaminated with chemical/biological weapons beforehand though).

[sullivan]

Would you live in Iran?
People yearning for more freedoms has nothing to do with Zionism.

I'm no fan of repressive societies, but I can't help but wonder who the hell are we in the West to point the finger? Yeah, let them have "Western Style" freedoms. I'm sure they could do without lots of them. Freedom to wear what clothes you like, freedom to have the haircut you want, freedom to be a serf. Actually, the last one is not optional.

Ahmedinejad stole the election

No he didn't! The MSM are pissed off that their man didn't win, and are screaming foul at the tops of their voice.

people are pissed & angered and all the pent up dissatisfaction with the current regime

People are pissed off at the economic situation. That's no different than anywhere else.

which has been brewing for decades,  is spilling over to the streets

This rent-a-mob is exactly the same as the one that gave Georgia that bungling buffoon who goes by the name of Michael Saakashvili. And look where that got them!! Freedom an' all!

Yes, this is helping Zios but this was not created by them. It's a simple social dynamic of how dictatorships eventually crumble.

I disagree. I see their fingerprints all over this.

[MikeWB]

This says it all, sully.

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And these are just the people that were brave enough to come out and confront the police and risk getting shot. Millions and millions of others are at home hoping that there's change.

This uprising has very little to do with Zionism and their possible funding (which is probably minor and concentrated in the outskirts of major cities... CIA likes to fund small ethnic minorities and Soros' Open Society is not in the country so he doesn't have a presence there) and everything to do with the way their country is being robbed by clerics and mullahs and people are sick of constantly being told what to do. They want freedom of expression. These people don't like the Jews or Israel, whole of Iran is opposed to Israel so don't mix the two issues together and try to draw a conclusion that somehow these people are for Zionists. These people are simply fed up with internal issues and this has nothing to do with Zionism.

If Iran were attacked by Israel, all these people would jump to guns and start defending it!


I've been reading some Iranian blogs that are translated to English and many of the posts have been eye-opening. You see a lot of young people just being angry over their situation and they genuinely want change from oppressive regime. They want stuff that people in West take for granted (simple stuff like unfiltered internet). 60%+  of Iran's population is under 30! That explains why there's so much demand for reforms.

[sullivan]

This says it all, sully.

Looks impressive, but it is a tiny proportion of the population of a very large country. Anyway, we saw the same thing in Ukraine, Georgia and countless other post-Soviet states. It is a US-manufactured colour 'revolution' and so far it has failed.

[Travis]

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

Also if the majority of people voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is this not the will of the people, and what right have you to oppose the regime when the majority of the Iranian people supported it?

I am against the Iranian regime as I am against the UK and US regimes, however, what I can not stand is hypocrisy and double standards.

Furthermore it is a matter of fact that the US is funding backing opposition groups in Iran to destabilize the regime.

The Telegraph By William Lowther in Washington DC and Colin Freeman
Published: 12:01AM GMT 25 Feb 2007 In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions... In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials... Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph

Full article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iran.html

[MikeWB]

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

How about this, Travis:

- free to wear any pants I want (like blue jeans)
- free to have a short haircut or any haircut I want
- free not to have a beard
- free to browse any site I want
- free to read what I want
- free to watch what I want
- drink a beer or any alcoholic beverage that I want
- listen to any music I want
- have fairer courts
- my wife to wear makeup and to color her hair and to have any haircut she wants
- my wife and daughter should be free not to wear a scarf around their heads

Try doing any of these things in Mullah-run Iran and then report back to us how they're treating you in jail.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

[Nausea]

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

How about this, Travis:

- free to wear any pants I want (like blue jeans)
- free to have a short haircut or any haircut I want
- free not to have a beard
- free to browse any site I want
- free to read what I want
- free to watch what I want
- drink a beer or any alcoholic beverage that I want
- listen to any music I want
- have fairer courts
- my wife to wear makeup and to color her hair and to have any haircut she wants
- my wife and daughter should be free not to wear a scarf around their heads

Try doing any of these things in Mullah-run Iran and then report back to us how they're treating you in jail.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[joeblow]

Mike, if it was anyone else in the world saying this stuff, I would have gone crazy, but I personally know how sincere and honest you are. As an Iranian who has been in Iran, I will answer all your questions.

- free to wear any pants I want (like blue jeans)

Men and women wear blue jeans.

- free to have a short haircut or any haircut I want

Men and women can have short haircuts, but the obviously gay ones are a no-no.

- free not to have a beard

I didn't have a beard when I was in Iran and nothing happened to me.

- free to browse any site I want

I can personally attest to the fact that in Sweden certain websites are blocked.

- free to read what I want

Such as the Jewish tripe that spurred the Marxist revolution in the 1960s in America? No, thank you, no.

- free to watch what I want

Uhmmm, they restrict plenty of the more racy cable channels for minors, even in America.

- drink a beer or any alcoholic beverage that I want

Jews and Christians can buy alcohol.

- listen to any music I want

Like Kabbalistic Satanic Death Metal music or Jewish Gansta Rap? No, thank you, no.

- have fairer courts

That's a worldwide complaint, not specific to Iran.

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Women can and do.

[quote="MikeWB"]- my wife and daughter should be free not to wear a scarf around their heads

Now that's a problem, you can detest it, but tough.

Try doing any of these things in Mullah-run Iran and then report back to us how they're treating you in jail.

See above answers.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

No being under Jewish Masonic tyranny.

[Travis]

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

How about this, Travis:

- free to wear any pants I want (like blue jeans)
- free to have a short haircut or any haircut I want
- free not to have a beard
- free to browse any site I want
- free to read what I want
- free to watch what I want
- drink a beer or any alcoholic beverage that I want
- listen to any music I want
- have fairer courts
- my wife to wear makeup and to color her hair and to have any haircut she wants
- my wife and daughter should be free not to wear a scarf around their heads

Try doing any of these things in Mullah-run Iran and then report back to us how they're treating you in jail.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

Hi MikeWB, I asked you to define what you meant by freedom but you have not, rather you have listed some acts that YOU consider to be aspects or expressions of freedom. According to the Oxford dictionary freedom is 'the power or right to act, speak, or think freely. > the state of having free will'. Therefore I ask you Mike should people be free to,

have sex in public

let there dog foul in public

commit adultery

Sell and buy Heroin  

Insult you and your wife without provocation

Murder

Steal

Rape

Kill the unborn child
?

So Mike should people be granted the freedom to commit the above acts? If you say no you have restricted the freedom of another human being what gives you that right?

In reality freedom in the 'western world' is defined by the law which is a contradiction in terms. People are not free but they are granted certain freedoms/rights that have lead many to believe the myth that they are 'free'. For example is a Prisoner free? He is free to read certain books, dress a certain way, attend certain classes, eat a meal 3 times a day  and to exercise at regular intervals. But he is not free to leave the prison at his own will nor is he free to change his regime. In the same manner no human is truly free rather they are permitted by Law to carry out certain acts and to abstain from others. Those that are the closest to being truly free in the sense they are not bound by any laws are the worst of society and they are the criminals that run our world.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

I do not believe a human can be truly free. If they are free in the sense they are not bound by any laws and thus are criminals they are still bound by the laws and restrictions of nature; they still have to eat they still have to go toilet and they still will die.
For me the only true freedom is the freedom to chose what to believe and how to live.

[Travis]

Bump. Maybe Mike missed my above post?

[Travis]

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

How about this, Travis:

- free to wear any pants I want (like blue jeans)
- free to have a short haircut or any haircut I want
- free not to have a beard
- free to browse any site I want
- free to read what I want
- free to watch what I want
- drink a beer or any alcoholic beverage that I want
- listen to any music I want
- have fairer courts
- my wife to wear makeup and to color her hair and to have any haircut she wants
- my wife and daughter should be free not to wear a scarf around their heads

Try doing any of these things in Mullah-run Iran and then report back to us how they're treating you in jail.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

Hi MikeWB, I asked you to define what you meant by freedom but you have not, rather you have listed some acts that YOU consider to be aspects or expressions of freedom. According to the Oxford dictionary freedom is 'the power or right to act, speak, or think freely. > the state of having free will'. Therefore I ask you Mike should people be free to,

have sex in public

let their dogs foul in public

commit adultery

Sell and buy Heroin

Insult you and your wife without provocation

Murder

Steal

Rape

Kill the unborn child
?

So Mike should people be granted the freedom to commit the above acts? If you say no you have restricted the freedom of another human being what gives you that right?

In reality in the 'western world' freedom is defined by the law which is a contradiction in terms,how can freedom be limited?. People are not free but they are granted certain freedoms/rights that have lead many to believe the myth that they are 'free'. For example is a Prisoner free? He is free to read certain books, dress a certain way, attend certain classes, eat a meal 3 times a day and to exercise at regular intervals. But he is not free to leave the prison at his own will nor is he free to change his regime. In the same manner no human is truly free rather they are permitted by Law to carry out certain acts and to abstain from others. Those that are the closest to being truly free in the sense they are not bound by any laws are the worst of society and they are the criminals that run our world.

What do YOU consider freedom?!

I do not believe a human can be truly free. If they are free in the sense they are not bound by any laws and thus are criminals they are still bound by the laws and restrictions of nature; they still have to eat they still have to go toilet and they still will die.
For me the only true freedom is the freedom to chose what to believe and how to live.