ADL attacks Constitution Party and NOW tax protesters

[MikeWB]

Here we go... they're coming out swinging.
[youtube:1pb1nk8e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbvmd8bs_-g[/youtube]1pb1nk8e]

[maz]

A couple of questions that to me are pretty obvious: why are Jewish groups like the ADL concerned about taxes? If they aren't running the scam, or in on the scam, or at best, hired thugs to protect the scam, then what the fuck are they doing?  And second, why are Jewish groups all over tv telling the Jewish point of view. And yeah I said the Jewish point of view because as you saw in this video it wasn't the Muslim point of view or any other religious view. They are after Christians. Period.

[Anonymous]

A couple of questions that to me are pretty obvious: why are Jewish groups like the ADL concerned about taxes? If they aren't running the scam, or in on the scam, or at best, hired thugs to protect the scam, then what the fuck are they doing?  And second, why are Jewish groups all over tv telling the Jewish point of view. And yeah I said the Jewish point of view because as you saw in this video it wasn't the Muslim point of view or any other religious view. They are after Christians. Period.

Well, feudal slaves should know their place. The Israelite Revenue Service has a job to do. I am sorry but the whole foundation of a biblical constitution seems like a myth to me. If I am not mistaken the US was an experiment created as a secular nation, the first of it's kind. I do recall separation of church and state being an important doctrine.

[GordZilla]

A couple of questions that to me are pretty obvious: why are Jewish groups like the ADL concerned about taxes? If they aren't running the scam, or in on the scam, or at best, hired thugs to protect the scam, then what the fuck are they doing?  And second, why are Jewish groups all over tv telling the Jewish point of view. And yeah I said the Jewish point of view because as you saw in this video it wasn't the Muslim point of view or any other religious view. They are after Christians. Period.

Well, feudal slaves should know their place. The Israelite Revenue Service has a job to do. I am sorry but the whole foundation of a biblical constitution seems like a myth to me. If I am not mistaken the US was an experiment created as a secular nation, the first of it's kind. I do recall separation of church and state being an important doctrine.

You are mistaken; the U.S was most definitely founded by Christians. Also the separation of church and state wasn't rendered to isolate the 'secular states' from the church but rather to protect the church from the state.  Secular? There wasn't many people that were secular back then (which, btw, is why you find higher nobility and moral standards back then than you find today in your average Joe ..but that's another story ... most men and women of those times in America where white and Christian, period. May not be what you want to hear but it is the truth of the matter.)  The most important line in the U.S. constitution is the line "All men are created equal under God" remove God from that equation and equality also soon falls, i.e. the 'I am above mere goy ' attitude of the Talmudic Jew. The fear of God is the great equalizer, without that faith, or any faith, and the rule rapidly becomes 'might makes right' and 'only the strongest survive'. Sound good to you? Remember they are currently the strongest.

[Anonymous]

You are mistaken; the U.S was most definitely founded by Christians. Also the separation of church and state wasn't rendered to isolate the 'secular states' from the church but rather to protect the church from the state.  Secular? There wasn't many people that were secular back then (which, btw, is why you find higher nobility and moral standards back then than you find today in your average Joe ..but that's another story ... most men and women of those times in America where white and Christian, period. May not be what you want to hear but it is the truth of the matter.)  The most important line in the U.S. constitution is the line "All men are created equal under God" remove God from that equation and equality also soon falls, i.e. the 'I am above mere goy ' attitude of the Talmudic Jew. The fear of God is the great equalizer, without that faith, or any faith, and the rule rapidly becomes 'might makes right' and 'only the strongest survive'. Sound good to you? Remember they are currently the strongest.

Hey maybe I am wrong, but 99% of the founders were freemasons then their God might just be different. It also depends on the definitions used for words. The lawyers that created the constitution knew what they were doing.

Find the word God in the constitution for me, you must be thinking about another document.

Also the separation of church and state wasn't rendered to isolate the 'secular states' from the church but rather to protect the church from the state.

Or could be the reverse? or both?

You act like the constitution was created for you or something.

As far as I am aware it should apply to the Legal entities United States of America and Federal Government of the United States.

most men and women of those times in America where white and Christian, period. May not be what you want to hear but it is the truth of the matter.)

WASP's otherwise?
might they want to keep the Vatican out of state affairs?

The most important line in the U.S. constitution is the line "All men are created equal under God" remove God from that equation and equality also soon falls, i.e. the 'I am above mere goy ' attitude of the Talmudic Jew.

where is this line?

See the Constitution is a trick, a legal trick

read the Anti-Federalist papers to get a better understanding bro

Might makes Right - this is the way it is

Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of God. The omission was too obvious to have been anything but deliberate, in spite of Alexander Hamilton's flippant responses when asked about it: According to one account, he said that the new nation was not in need of "foreign aid"; according to another, he simply said "we forgot." But as Hamilton's biographer Ron Chernow points out, Hamilton never forgot anything important.

In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist, God is mentioned only twice (both times by Madison, who uses the word, as Gore Vidal has remarked, in the "only Heaven knows" sense). In the Declaration of Independence, He gets two brief nods: a reference to "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God," and the famous line about men being "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights." More blatant official references to a deity date from long after the founding period: "In God We Trust" did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and "under God" was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954 [see Elisabeth Sifton, "The Battle Over the Pledge," April 5, 2004].

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050221/allen

[Rockclimber]

Good God, the God-haters are out full force. More in-fighting I guess...

[Anonymous]

Good God, the God-haters are out full force. More in-fighting I guess...

Please Rockclimber don't get your panties in a bundle.

Did I say anything untrue?

Just because someone perceives something to be true, doesn't make it so.

you just have to read, and study legalese

[Rockclimber]

Good God, the God-haters are out full force. More in-fighting I guess...

Please Rockclimber don't get your panties in a bundle.

Did I say anything untrue?

Just because someone perceives something to be true, doesn't make it so.

you just have to read, and study legalese

Panties? C'mon now. You and LAV seem to be on a real tear here lately hitting below the belt and attacking people's faith. I know you think you have it all figured out but watch yourselves. Stick to your own religion and many of us will stick with ours.

[Anonymous]

Personally I have nothing figured out cause it's the nature of the thing.

But anyone that basis their beliefs on propaganda needs to be challenged, otherwise they will fall victim to what I would like to call the Alex Jones Venus Fly Trap. If we are not diligent in dissecting propaganda we will waste time and never get the names of those who consider themselves our masters. It's the 31 flavors for whatever your taste might be, and probably more then 31. I've been there and done that, I am trying to avoid it.

I am not hitting anyone below the belt, but if people are going to regurgitate propaganda, I am just pointing out that it's propaganda.

If we can not see through the propaganda  we will hit a dead end.

We need to get to the tasty meat and cut away the fat. If you attack the enemy with names and racist comments and other such tactics, it will only come back to discredit all the hard work others have done. Essentially you will become a Von Braun. Whatever you do will be used against you and others associated with you.

you may not enjoy what I am saying, but if you look within you will see that I have been truthful as best I can.

It seems to me that if you Love God you would want to know all about him, and as Bill Cooper said he didn't set out to destroy Christianity but that's where the information led. You can still believe in Jesus just read the red words of the King James Bible which give man a moral guideline to follow and be a real Christian in the true sense of the word.

[Rockclimber]

Personally I have nothing figured out cause it's the nature of the thing.

But anyone that basis their beliefs on propaganda needs to be challenged, otherwise they will fall victim to what I would like to call the Alex Jones Venus Fly Trap. If we are not diligent in dissecting propaganda we will waste time and never get the names of those who consider themselves our masters. It's the 31 flavors for whatever your taste might be, and probably more then 31. I've been there and done that, I am trying to avoid it.

I am not hitting anyone below the belt, but if people are going to regurgitate propaganda, I am just pointing out that it's propaganda.

If we can not see through the propaganda  we will hit a dead end.

We need to get to the tasty meat and cut away the fat. If you attack the enemy with names and racist comments and other such tactics, it will only come back to discredit all the hard work others have done. Essentially you will become a Von Braun. Whatever you do will be used against you and others associated with you.

you may not enjoy what I am saying, but if you look within you will see that I have been truthful as best I can.

It seems to me that if you Love God you would want to know all about him, and as Bill Cooper said he didn't set out to destroy Christianity but that's where the information led. You can still believe in Jesus just read the red words of the King James Bible which give man a moral guideline to follow and be a real Christian in the true sense of the word.

I have no problem with the facts you have presented. But I hate to see this turn into something ugly as we have avoided religious disputes on this forum for some time. I would say if it does evolve into that, pm the person. I say this from experience and it's why TIU does not have a religious forum, and i include evolution and atheism as religions btw. Let's be civil and stay focused on the enemy. We are all friends here.

[jai_mann]

Good God, the God-haters are out full force. More in-fighting I guess...

Please Rockclimber don't get your panties in a bundle.

Did I say anything untrue?

Just because someone perceives something to be true, doesn't make it so.

you just have to read, and study legalese

Panties? C'mon now. You and LAV seem to be on a real tear here lately hitting below the belt and attacking people's faith. I know you think you have it all figured out but watch yourselves. Stick to your own religion and many of us will stick with ours.

I would have to disagree Rockclimber. While some of what has been said might be strongly worded and questioning "faith" the bulk of what has been said is in regards to what can be factually confirmed via the scientific method. The constitution does "protect" the Masons from those who followed "god" or "adonis" as the Masons call your god, if I remember correctly. The Masons don't give a rat's ass about protecting the religious here. That's why they force the churches under pressure from the IRS to become 501 organizations which in turn prevents the church leaders from speaking out against the State (if they are non-Masons, if they are Masons then the State doesn't have to worry about them...they are part of the "great work"). The State has also introduced marriage licenses. Marriage has, to my knowledge, been traditionally handled by churches which means this is a State incursion upon the Church.

Rockclimber, if you carefully read the Constitution then you will see the loopholes put in place to allow those acting under the guise of legitimacy the "right" to all kinds of tyrannical actions. Go read some of Lysander Spooner's work to see the interactions between the people doing business as the "State" and individuals. http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm#no2 <-very good read!

[GordZilla]

Find the word God in the constitution for me, you must be thinking about another document.

Perhaps I am, I'm Canadian.  Ours  is' equal under God' in the Bill of Rights, however I do think it was included in either your Constitution or your Declaration of  Independence.


Or could be the reverse? or both? Could be both, the point would remain valid however 'the separation' is still not there to keep the states protected from the church, that is for sure.

You act like the constitution was created for you or something.
Where that came from I have no idea???

WASP's otherwise?  
What ? Yes white Anglo Saxon people,  ... Oh yeah that is a derogatory term in your mind so therefore they must have been bad people .. :roll:

might they want to keep the Vatican out of state affairs?   The Vatican was hardly a worry for the founding fathers, however state tyranny was fresh on their minds, you can figure it out can't you?

where is this line? (addressed above)

See the Constitution is a trick, a legal trick   (agreed)

read the Anti-Federalist papers to get a better understanding bro  (no thanks, and perhaps you may also need a better understanding, just perhaps  ..go easy)

Might makes Right - this is the way it is  (wrong, and if your right on that then we will certainly lose this battle and might as well quit now. Think about it)

Again yes whites founded the most independent and free country known to man, thus far. However Talmudic Jews wrote your history and that is why terms like WASP create for you such negative reactions. I see thru that shit, most people, even whites, are good people, it's the powerful that are more often than not the bad ones, but unfortunately they are also the ones your focus is most drawn to when studying history, and at every chance the Talmudic Jew, even though nine times out of ten they are the ones who were orchestrating those terrible acts , will still go to great pains to blame it on Christians, repeatedly in History, from the slave trade to Nazi's to you name it. It's to the point now where, in the general public's mind at least, only white males can be racist and the whites themselves can find no pride in their collective past, only guilt.

 You must wake up from this.

Some of the greatest acts of goodness and charity were also committed  by whites, how often do you hear about that? And the Talmudic Jew, just what acts of theirs can you name that would also fall into this category? You can be sure the moment they do something unarguably generous (and not just for the Jewish people but for the world's ) you be sure to hear about it , repeatedly.

This may seem off topic, but it is not, it is meant to illustrate just how badly the general public's opinion has been coerced, you should be wiser than to fall for that.

But again, you're here with others who do not believe in God, studying a reality we find ourselves in that SMACKS of God and you still can't get by your well enforced training. It's a hard step, I know, but even  (and I've made this point over and over on this board ...and still unanswered) even if the book was a mere 300 years old it's predictions and insight into our little Talmudic Jewish problem is unsurpassed, it contains insight that couldn't have been manmade, as the predictions were far beyond the understanding of man even a few hundred years ago (let alone over 1000) . It was not written by Jews, Jesus was not a Jew, these are others falsehoods put forth by the same people, want proof? Just look at their constant attack of all things Christian and especially of Jesus, why?  Cause they  wrote in there the very seeds of their  repeated destruction?? Come'on!  Why do you think their  first target is always Christians, above and beyond anything else? Why do you think it was predominately Christian nations that have ever managed to uncover their   tracks and have them removed from their regions? Who are the Ashkenazi? The Sephardi? They are Pharisees and Scribes, couldn't be planer for you , but alas it has that evil word "God" in the text so let's just ignore it and look for more palatable answers to our questions.  :roll:

I will drop this for now, but I have many other points on that very topic, feel free to search my posts and try to find holes in my arguments.