The "Flu" Situation in Thailand.

[LordLindsey]

My fiancee there is telling me that everyone is being told that YOU MUST take the vaccine because it is the only way to protect yourself against this terrible flu!!  These people are completely falling for the trap being set for them, and I swear to you that she is the ONLY ONE I know in the whole of the nation of Thailand who knows the real score of what is happening--basically what we know, she knows.  What is really bad is that she works in a very good school in Bangkok and there is no education whatsoever being given to the people in general about the TRUTH of what is happening--only the fear-mongering to FORCE the people to accept the vaccine once the world-wide programs begin, which I posted in another article.  

Folks, the same can be basically said for the rest of the world and unless something drastic happens to inform the people of the very real threat that the vaccines pose, I sincerely believe that almost all of the people told or asked to take it, will with little or no hesitation.  I am telling you from first-hand experience that people in general KNOW that something is very, very wrong, but if they are not SPECIFICALLY TOLD what is happening to them and WHO is doing it, they will not seek-out the truth for themselves personally.

This is looking more and more like what happened with the 1918 "pandemic," regardless of what Jenny Lake believes in saying that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a virus being responsible.  I may be mis-reading the latest post, but I have to say that I am deeply bothered by this statement because while I am COMPLETELY skeptical of anything coming from "official" sources at this point, the scientists sure as Hell extracted SOMETHING from the lungs of those dead miners flown-in from Alaska and the world's deadliest virus WAS CREATED several years ago in a lab.  I simply can't believe that "TB" is being mis-interpreted for a nightmarish flu or flu-like disease that seems to kill in a matter of hours or days, especially given the evidence that the virus was extracted and THEN made much more virulent--BY THESE PSYCHOPATHS' OWN ADMISSION.

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

This is looking more and more like what happened with the 1918 "pandemic," regardless of what Jenny Lake believes in saying that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a virus being responsible.

Lindsey, hopefully you're not misunderstanding me. From the beginning of the 'pandemic watch' thread, I've made a point that today's swine flu pandemic is a major media tactic, as I described it "running afoul of reality". The comparisons to Spanish Flu are to heighten, terrify, and trick people into accepting vaccines. This happened in 1976, as YOU YOURSELF posted a very good broadcast of an old 60 Minutes. Great post, by the way. The problem here is that the Spanish Flu is not a single disease or disease entity. A Spanish Flu virus that caused "mahogany spots, nose-ears-eyes bleeding, bloody froth and sputum, full discoloration from cyanosis, suffocation, drowning, and death in a matter of hours" is not known to exist. The deadly Ebola is perhaps the closest virus I know of to this kind of death-by-dissolving. Ebola is recorded as appearing in 1976 --possibly a few years earlier, maybe confused with the related Marburg, and maybe that's some freakish recombinant meant to recreate Spanish Flu. I'm simply telling the story of Spanish Flu retrospectives from the researchers themselves and posting their work. I'm the only person I know of suggesting that polio and nitrogen poisoning were part of the Spanish Flu 'complex' of diseases. I see this perhaps more darkly than you-- that chemicals and radiation are doing all the necessary genocidal work of the 'reductionists'. It is only reasonable to figure a large proportion of 'Spanish Flu deaths' were tuberculosis-- just as other fatally infectious diseases were killing people in 1918 and 1919, and I'm seeking answers to causes of Spanish Flu based on the reports, medical and historical.  

Did you read The Great Influenza? Did you read Kolata? Can you offer some evidence that the corpses from the permafrost turned up THE Spanish Flu 'virus'?....the best I've heard on the subject is that a virus was "reconstructed" --but the words of Jeffrey Taubenberger himself indicate that they found only 'fragments'. This is the nature of virus, and virus is everywhere, and a researcher at the army lab could 'reconstruct' a lethal virus out of your remains just as easily I'm sure. BUT, that still doesn't mean a contagion of Spanish Flu proportions will happen. Personally, I think if billions get the current vaccines we WILL see many more MILLIONS die than has ever been counted in any pandemic or sum of pandemics. The adverse reaction rate is potentially at 35% and everyone who's following the story knows that rapidly-deployed experimental vaccines will be used. We're not at odds here. Will they be injecting people with this 'reconstucted' gene sequence? Can anybody answer that? Does it actually matter if 'normal' flu vaccines makes 35% of people ill? It's proven that injecting people with the 'adjuvant' without the pathogenic genes makes people sick.

So, will you tell me the story of the REAL SPANISH FLU and how it IS like what's happening now? I''ve been doing my homework, reading and researching to gain depth into the Spanish Flu, precisely as a measure to help consider current events. So, please produce evidence of the Spanish Flu Virus or desist in disparaging my 'beliefs'.

[LordLindsey]

My point is that it appears that you are saying that there is not a flu virus *H1N1 or other variants of the re-combined virus"ii"* of which to speak, and this is something that I think that most people would never accept as we are all taught to believe that virii are real and a very real cause of the diseases to which they are attached symptomaticly.  I agree with everyone else here that this is a manufactured pandemic and it would only ever reach the terrible level wanted by those in control once the vaccination programs begin world-wide.  

I have not read the books that you have, but that is not the point; my point is that it appears--and correct me if I am wrong--that you are saying that there is no virus associated with these symptoms, or at least it *the virus* is only a very small part of the symptoms.  Also, I know what I read several years ago in the USA Today when it was reported that the deadliest virus in its virulence and resistance had been created in a lab from the 1918 virus that had been recovered from the dead Alaskan miners for the ONLY PURPOSE of studying the newly-created virus and making a vaccine "in the event that something like this ever occurs in nature."  THAT WAS UTTER BULLSHIT THEN, AND IT IS UTTER BULLSHIT NOW.

Jenny, I don't have the paper in front of me, but I know what I read and I never, EVER forgot--and I never, EVER will.  The only thing that you and I seem to disagree regarding this entire situation is whether or not a virus is the direct cause, and I have to say that you would meet very strong resistance from 99% of anyone with whom you would discuss this issue and say anything but a virus is responsible.

NOW...having said this, I WILL say and agree with you that something very, very unusual was presented with the symptoms and rapid on-set of death during the height of this genuine pandemic, and it DOES appear to be an Ebolaesque virus as the patients died in literally a matter of hours.  There is so much that I don't know, and I am very willing to learn, but I do know that if the virus that was created in that lab about four-five years ago or so from the 1918 strain is not responsible for this, then I and everyone else who takes this very seriously wants to know what the Hell it is.

LINDSEY

[Jenny Lake]

My point is that it appears that you are saying that there is not a flu virus *H1N1 or other variants of the re-combined virus"ii"* of which to speak,

Are you going to make this repartee based on assumptions and appearances?...please cite where I say this and then it won't be left to the imagination.

and this is something that I think that most people would never accept as we are all taught to believe that virii are real and a very real cause of the diseases to which they are attached symptomaticly.

"what we are all taught to believe" is very much at the root of our troubles, do you agree?

I agree with everyone else here that this is a manufactured pandemic and it would only ever reach the terrible level wanted by those in control once the vaccination programs begin world-wide.

then you're in agreement with me on this point as well.

I have not read the books that you have, but that is not the point;

no, the point is understood that you think what's happening is like the Spanish Flu....can you prove it in any substantive way?

my point is that it appears--and correct me if I am wrong--that you are saying that there is no virus associated with these symptoms, or at least it *the virus* is only a very small part of the symptoms.

please find a quote in the threads, otherwise my meaning is that no virus was ever found that caused the 'Spanish Flu', is it clear now?
 

Also, I know what I read several years ago in the USA Today when it was reported that the deadliest virus in its virulence and resistance had been created in a lab from the 1918 virus that had been recovered from the dead Alaskan miners for the ONLY PURPOSE of studying the newly-created virus and making a vaccine "in the event that something like this ever occurs in nature." THAT WAS UTTER BULLSHIT THEN, AND IT IS UTTER BULLSHIT NOW.

yes...and you mentioned not believing in 'official' media....so your point that this is fraudulent is taken. So why are you repeating the message of this 'deadliest virus known' in the threads? posting the work of Recombinomics and repeating the mainstream lie of "deaths of previously healthy young adults"?

Jenny, I don't have the paper in front of me, but I know what I read and I never, EVER forgot--and I never, EVER will. The only thing that you and I seem to disagree regarding this entire situation is whether or not a virus is the direct cause,

Lindsey, if you have documentation PLEASE present it to the thread...this is very important...maybe you can find it online in the archives somewhere....

 

and I have to say that you would meet very strong resistance from 99% of anyone with whom you would discuss this issue and say anything but a virus is responsible.

thanks for the heads-up

NOW...having said this, I WILL say and agree with you that something very, very unusual was presented with the symptoms and rapid on-set of death during the height of this genuine pandemic, and it DOES appear to be an Ebolaesque virus as the patients died in literally a matter of hours.

in fairness and in fact it also appears to be other acute ailments as well. The chances that it was Ebolaesque, in my opinion are near to zilch...but I'm open to the presentation of evidence....tell me, though, how does this compare to 2009, as you endorse?

There is so much that I don't know, and I am very willing to learn, but I do know that if the virus that was created in that lab about four-five years ago or so from the 1918 strain is not responsible for this, then I and everyone else who takes this very seriously wants to know what the Hell it is.

if you want to know, you can help find some answers and post them to the threads. I don't know if the Taubenberger virus is circulating or not. If it is, is there any way to measure how it will behave in the population at large or as an ingredient in vaccine? If you really care to learn....do it.

[sullivan]

NOW...having said this, I WILL say and agree with you that something very, very unusual was presented with the symptoms and rapid on-set of death during the height of this genuine pandemic, and it DOES appear to be an Ebolaesque virus as the patients died in literally a matter of hours.

An Ebola-esque virus by its very nature isn't likely to result in an epidemic or pandemic. It kills its victim far too quickly to allow it to spread far and wide without 'assistance'.

[LordLindsey]

What I meant by Ebolaesque were the symptoms as Jenny had described them.  Look, what I know is the history of this virus being created and now a "pandemic" has been called just a few years after its creation.  Jenny may very-well be right, so let's find where we agree and just go from there.  Frankly, all that I know for certain is that if we are being told that this is looking like a repeat of what happened in 1918-1919, then this can NOT be anything good coming-up.  

I can NOT find the original USA Today article about the construction of the super-virus *NOT the re-make of the 1918 virus* but I DID find this...

"It killed 50 million! Let's make it again!
From AP:
Scientists have made from scratch the Spanish flu virus that killed as many as 50 million people in 1918, the first time an infectious agent behind a historic pandemic has ever been reconstructed.

Why did they do it? Researchers say it may help them better understand -- and develop defenses against -- the threat of a future worldwide epidemic from bird flu.
Yeah. that's what researchers say (or what AP says researchers say). But...why did they do it?
The public health risk of resurrecting the virus is minimal, U.S. health officials said.
Accidentally, maybe. As a biological weapon in the hands of already notorious war criminals? A much bigger risk. Consider:
Investigators are trying to determine if a bacterium that set off sensors during last week's anti-war protest in Washington was naturally present.

Tularemia bacteria can live in soil and may simply have been released by thousands of people kicking up dirt, the Washington Post reported. But the bacteria can also cause a dangerous infection and is listed as a possible biohazard.
Consider:
Human Genome Sciences Inc. plans to announce a deal today under which the federal government might buy as many as 100,000 doses of an experimental drug to treat anthrax, potentially giving the nation a new defense against one of the most feared agents of biological terrorism.

The initial government order will be for a small sample of the drug, known as ABthrax, with the option to buy much more later. The large order is by no means assured, and other companies developing similar drugs contend that their products are superior and say they still have a chance to beat Human Genome Sciences.
Consider: The anthrax attacks on Democratic congressional leaders and prominent journalists remain unsolved four years later, although it is known that the anthrax was produced domestically.

Consider: In 1994, Tom Clancy wrote Debt of Honor, which concludes with a 747 pilot intentionally crashing his plane into the US Capitol. Seven years later, three planes crashed into prominent US buildings, killing almost 3000. (Unfortunately, the National Security Advisor couldn't possibly have forseen this happening.) In 1998, Tom Clancy wrote Rainbox Six, in which an international conspiracy, including some top officials in the US government, intends to scare the world with a deadly virus. In response, a "vaccine" is delivered in mass quantities. While the virus might kill millions, the "vaccine" is the real killer, intended to eliminate most of the human race except those chosen by the conspiracy to survive. Seven years later, in 2005...

Our criminal government is playing around with deadly diseases, has "disappeared" hundreds of people gathered up from around the world (for experiments?), and is discussing using the military to enforce quarantines. Be very afraid."

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel ... ake-it.htm

My point is that scientists admitted creating a super-virus using the Spanish flu and making it much more virulent in order to "create a vaccine in the even that something like this occurs in nature."  I am not going to argue this point because I SAW IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.  If I had access to Lexus-Nexis, I could do a search, but I don't have the money for something like that and other people who do tremendous research on this issue should have access to the information about the creation of the super-virus readily available.  

This is similar to the argument that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, and I am not even going to go into this because, again, 99% of ANYONE who would be saying this to someone would never, ever convince that person that this was possible--and I am included in that category.  Maybe I am too "programmed" when it comes to what I have been taught about virii and their association with disease, but I simply haven't seen enough substantive evidence that AIDS is not a virus and that the causes are malnutrition, TB, etc.  

Bottom line is that we need to focus on what we can do to alleviate the SYMPTOMS because if this thing becomes ANYTHING CLOSE to what happened in 1918-1919, people are going to go completely batshit crazy if people start dying across the world, even IF it is sensationalized for maximum psychological effect.  That is why it is far easier for people to grasp the concept of a virus because then you have something that you can target with vitamins, nutrition, and specific supplemants and herbs, whereas just saying that this is a collection of symptoms will make most people IMMEDIATELY refuse to listen and accept anything futher that is being said to them.  

Also, this Topic is about what the people of Thailand are being told, and they are being told, almost to a man, that you HAVE to take the vaccine or you will die from the flu!  This is brain-washing in its purest form, and damned it, WHY would people be forced to take a vaccination that is most certainly not proven safe and effective?  Just trying to convince them of the evidence that is available NOW that this is a man-made "pandemic" is hard enough for most people to accept, but then giving them something that is LITERALLY absolutely contrary to everything that is known and accepted regarding virology--that is extremely counter-productive as time is running-out and a forced-vaccination program is an almost absolute certainty in the very near future.  

People need REAL answers as to what they can do to help themselves stay healthy, and on this point we need to agree; the other issues, we will simply have to agree to dis-agree because IF this virus becomes what everyone is afraid that it will, any philosophy about the nature of virii will be a moot point while people are simply trying to stay healthy while their neighbors are coughing-up blood.

LINDSEY