"Dance Wedding" Is Absolutely Insulting.

[LordLindsey]

http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=4-94JhL ... =topvideos

I don't care what anyone else thinks about this, and anyone who knows me knows that I can dance literally all night-long and literally perform in the club, but THIS IS BULLSHIT.  This is one of the most insulting things that I have ever seen and destroys the seriousness and spirituality of a wedding ceremony.  This is completely without any sense of class and I am actually insulted that so many people can't see that this is just one more brick in the destruction of any sense of morality left for the "younger" generation to emulate.  

I am planning to marry in the HOPEFULLY near future, and as I watched this, all that I could do think about the reality that true traditions and morals are being completely destroyed so that people are left with nothing more than "fluff" on which to fall-back, and I can understand why trash like this gets 4.5 MILLION views and is actually put on national/worldwide television news.

Again, I am absolutely outraged that people are not insulted that this kind of trash would take place in a CHURCH during a WEDDING CEREMONY, but this is the result when morals and tradition are replaced with nothing but a shell of what humanity once was.

I want to clarify something else before I finish.  This was the entrance for the bride and groom, NOT the celebration AFTER the ceremony wherein this kind of activity takes place.  This is a MOCKERY of a Christian wedding, and nothing will make me change my feelings on this.  I am ALL for fun, as anyone who knows me knows, but I am also a man who knows the TIME AND PLACE for this kind of activity and this was one of most outrageous things that I have ever seen involving a Holy ceremony being corrupted with the garbage that was put on display.

I have nothing else to say on this, and if you dis-agree, then that's YOUR feeling on this perversion of what a wedding ceremony should be.  

LINDSEY

NB:  For those of you who see nothing at all wrong with this...how would you feel if people were bumping and grinding and doing making a complete mockery of YOUR wedding day?  Not only that, but just imagine if someone had clowns coming-in and squirting water and honking their horns as the bride and groom entered making a complete mockery of YOUR wedding day.  This shows the character of the people being wed and I am absolutely SICKENED by the acceptance of this garbage by what appears to be the majority of people.

[MikeWB]

This was FUCKING AWESOME!!!!    Yeah, it took place in a church but obviously that woman was no priest which means that this was not meant to be a religious wedding and they picked the church because the price for a venue was right.

Seriously dude, you need to loosen up.  8-)

Here's a statistic for you since you seem to think highly of Christians and Christian religion:

Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

*   11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
*   25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
* Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.

George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented:

"While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriages."

Protip: learn how to use Youtube tag so we don't have to click through all the time to youtube .

[Wimpy]

LordLindey, I agree.

I see this no differently as yet another Divide and Conquer ploy via dupes thinking it's Cool and Hip.  Break up traditions, break up what binds families and communities.  There is a time and a place for dancing and that's the reception celebration regardless if the ceremony is religious or secular.  Marriage is a legal contract; these antics wouldn't be tolerated in a Judges Chambers or the Mayors office.

To quote divorce statistics in reference to Christianity somehow makes what point MikeWB?

[MikeWB]

To quote divorce statistics in reference to Christianity somehow makes what point MikeWB?

Isn't that obvious?

[Wimpy]

Answering a question with a question is rather disingenuous.

Your signature suggests that you are an agnostic or atheist, your freedom to choose of course, but it seems your beliefs tend towards the more intolerant; much like the Zionists we discuss here.  They, too, preached a logical argument as Bolsheviks when destroying the Christian churches during the revolution but never, of course, let there be a hand laid against the Synagogues.  They went further and sent "antisemitics" to Gulags.  One could make a valid argument that these folks were atheists since they were implementing, in large part, the Communist Manifesto.

I've been, I sense without proof, where you are in your beliefs and I tend to agree that Religion can be a wicked and cruel device if the agenda dictates.  Religion for a sense of community, as the Jews have demonstrated extreme success, is quite a binding force. The threat of another group(s) illustrating the same cohesion is , I believe, the motivating force to Divide and Conquer by the Jews and their minions.  There is a tremendous volume of proof that one of their agendas is destroying all religions, particularly Christianity, the Islamic faith and any other unified group of religious adherents.

So, yes, I believe there is bad that comes with Religion but the good far out weighs the alternative to some science based logical doctrine like Star Trek.  I could wax on regarding Religion versus Secularism but I'll end with the following thought:  Has it ever occurred to you that certain Spiritual Paths and Religious  experiences can be attained through simple and logically applied effort?

[mgt23]

it should have had a 23K rig and and banging Underground AcidTekno-then maybe.................:lol:  :lol:     :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[MikeWB]

Answering a question with a question is rather disingenuous.

Your signature suggests that you are an agnostic or atheist, your freedom to choose of course, but it seems your beliefs tend towards the more intolerant; much like the Zionists we discuss here.  They, too, preached a logical argument as Bolsheviks when destroying the Christian churches during the revolution but never, of course, let there be a hand laid against the Synagogues.  They went further and sent "antisemitics" to Gulags.  One could make a valid argument that these folks were atheists since they were implementing, in large part, the Communist Manifesto.

I've been, I sense without proof, where you are in your beliefs and I tend to agree that Religion can be a wicked and cruel device if the agenda dictates.  Religion for a sense of community, as the Jews have demonstrated extreme success, is quite a binding force. The threat of another group(s) illustrating the same cohesion is , I believe, the motivating force to Divide and Conquer by the Jews and their minions.  There is a tremendous volume of proof that one of their agendas is destroying all religions, particularly Christianity, the Islamic faith and any other unified group of religious adherents.

So, yes, I believe there is bad that comes with Religion but the good far out weighs the alternative to some science based logical doctrine like Star Trek.  I could wax on regarding Religion versus Secularism but I'll end with the following thought:  Has it ever occurred to you that certain Spiritual Paths and Religious  experiences can be attained through simple and logically applied effort?

What religion do you think is good? Do you believe there is god and why? Do you subscribe to any religion? Why do you think that harboring delusions and abandoning reality is good for anyone? Can you give any examples of delusions that are actually good for you? Since you're on this site, I think we both can agree that the purpose of this site is to wake  people up to Zionist influence. So if delusions are so great, why not leave them to be in a delusion that Zionists don't run the media, that  they're not robbing this country blind, that they haven't overtaken our government and are not sending our friends, brothers, fathers to fight their wars? Why is one delusion better than the other one?

Take your time in answering these. Maybe you'll realize some truths about yourself.

[Wimpy]

Answering a question with a question is rather disingenuous.

Your signature suggests that you are an agnostic or atheist, your freedom to choose of course, but it seems your beliefs tend towards the more intolerant; much like the Zionists we discuss here.  They, too, preached a logical argument as Bolsheviks when destroying the Christian churches during the revolution but never, of course, let there be a hand laid against the Synagogues.  They went further and sent "antisemitics" to Gulags.  One could make a valid argument that these folks were atheists since they were implementing, in large part, the Communist Manifesto.

I've been, I sense without proof, where you are in your beliefs and I tend to agree that Religion can be a wicked and cruel device if the agenda dictates.  Religion for a sense of community, as the Jews have demonstrated extreme success, is quite a binding force. The threat of another group(s) illustrating the same cohesion is , I believe, the motivating force to Divide and Conquer by the Jews and their minions.  There is a tremendous volume of proof that one of their agendas is destroying all religions, particularly Christianity, the Islamic faith and any other unified group of religious adherents.

So, yes, I believe there is bad that comes with Religion but the good far out weighs the alternative to some science based logical doctrine like Star Trek.  I could wax on regarding Religion versus Secularism but I'll end with the following thought:  Has it ever occurred to you that certain Spiritual Paths and Religious  experiences can be attained through simple and logically applied effort?

What religion do you think is good? Do you believe there is god and why? Do you subscribe to any religion? Why do you think that harboring delusions and abandoning reality is good for anyone? Can you give any examples of delusions that are actually good for you? Since you're on this site, I think we both can agree that the purpose of this site is to wake  people up to Zionist influence. So if delusions are so great, why not leave them to be in a delusion that Zionists don't run the media, that  they're not robbing this country blind, that they haven't overtaken our government and are not sending our friends, brothers, fathers to fight their wars? Why is one delusion better than the other one?

Take your time in answering these. Maybe you'll realize some truths about yourself.

 

Be specific with your unfounded assumptions and insinuations.  You are not arguing but, rather, provoking a confrontation through a series of disjointed ad hominem innuendo.  You use of the word delusions, let's see, five times in your paragraph is derisive and arguably affirming the consequent.

An administrator title should not grant  privilege to be abusive.

[MikeWB]

Be specific with your unfounded assumptions and insinuations.  You are not arguing but, rather, provoking a confrontation through a series of disjointed ad hominem innuendo.  You use of the word delusions, let's see, five times in your paragraph is derisive and arguably affirming the consequent.

An administrator title should not grant  privilege to be abusive.

Your logic is totally faulty and you seem to be getting more and more belligerent and confrontational. I'm asking questions and I'm not making ANY ASSUMPTIONS (unlike yourself who's made 3 paragraphs and two posts worth of ASSUMPTIONS!) You've made MANY assumptions about myself and I haven't made a single one about YOU since I don't have your answers. Once you get us some answers, I''ll make some assumptions publicly.

[Wimpy]

Are you denying that, "Can you give any examples of delusions that are actually good for you?", isn't an assumption and also illustrative of unilateralism?

Could this, "Since you're on this site, I think we both can agree that the purpose of this site is to wake people up to Zionist influence." be another assumption on your behalf?  

Not incorrect but you use this assumption to launch the specious ramble, "So if delusions are so great, why not leave them to be in a delusion that Zionists don't run the media, that they're not robbing this country blind, that they haven't overtaken our government and are not sending our friends, brothers, fathers to fight their wars?"  Who's them?  People that are religious?

Whether or not you are consciously aware, you are using disinformation tactics.  You are implying delusional thought towards anyone that is religious or breeches the subject of religion and you then proceed to offer some glib analogy to side track your perceived opponent.

 "Why is one delusion better than the other one?" is loaded and illogical.

[Yammitor]

MikeWB and Wimpy may i attempt to diffuse things without having my head taken off in middle  :shock: - I have been reading both your responses and I agree with what both you are saying. You are both correct as you both hold your own different opposite views on religion / delusion ( pardon any misassumptions on my part)
I don't think either of you will agree on this thread, ever and its a shame to see you both argue as each of us must decide on this matter ourselves. Religion or Delusion ?

Back to the video -
:lol:  :lol: They should have rented a barn, it would have been cheaper.

Looks like they do not really understand the values of or care to have a traditional marriage or traditional marriage ceremony.
Nice example of brain washed sheeple in their everlasting quest to make their ordinary boring lives meaningful by inventing ways to be different and thus hopefully gaining rememberance and wishfully immortality by out doing other memorable sheeple weddings.

It occured me that these are a fine example of adults with the mental ages of children still seeking to be entertained. Its looks like we now are managing to squeeze child like behavoiour into all three generations of two different famailes and have they accepted and applauded it. I Hope i live to see how the next generation will strut down the aisle. :roll:

They are are living the sheeple dream and obviously enjoying it. When will they wake up ? When its too late i hope, as they all need a good hard kick to the arse.

The church here is equally to blame. What ever happenned to a traditional marriage ceremony. Attendance is down so churhes must adapt to keep in the market. MTV style... YA its kewl... !!!  8-).
The infiltrated corrupt churches are mainly to blame for leading the people astray.

Going to pull up a few quotes from the Bible so some of you can close your eyes to not be offended by my hate speech / brain washed view.  

Isaiah 56:10-12 - Watchmen = Priests
"His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down,
loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds which cannot
understand; they all look to their own way, every one for his gain. Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will
fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant."

Please don't let me give the wrong idea, I wouldn't stop the sheeple here from having their fun and games. Its not my church or wedding. I was once a sheep myself. I would think that they (church ,bride and groom) would only laugh at me if I dared to suggest anything old fashioned like traditional values and morals. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Amos 5:10, 13 told us 2,700 years ago
"They hate him who reproves in the gate, and loathe him who speaks the truth. Therefore, he who is prudent will be silent at that time: for it will be an evil time."

I just find its hard to hold intelligent conversation with people like these if you are not up to date with whats going on in TV land.

[LordLindsey]

You have said it best.  I LOVE to dance, and I was actually quite famous when I would go out because I didn't give two shits what anyone else was doing because while they were just "looking good" I was being real and having fun!  That's my point...there is a time and a place for EVERYTHING, and what we all saw was a literal mockery of a wedding.  The guy said that his future wife was the one who planned this atrocity against tradition, and it looks like they are just a bunch of "party" people who are arrested in their development and simply  have no concept of tradition is...AND DON'T CARE TO PARTICIPATE.

If I was one of those people at that wedding, I would have been absolutely offended by this outrageous behavior, and I most probably would have said something and walked-out.  Those people, especially the old ones, who were clapping and ENCOURAGING THIS should be ashamed of themselves because these people know that this is not how to behave in a church, especially on the most important day of these people's lives.  Mike, I understand your point, but you also need to see my point:  What these people did during a wedding ceremony is a MOCKERY and shows how degraded morality and traditionalism has become in, not just America, but the world-at-large.

Nothing anyone will say will ever make me change the way that I look at this, because even though I am not a very religious person *I have said this PUBLICLY in front of potentially millions on-the-air* I KNOW right from wrong, and I RESPECT tradition--these people haVE ZERO respect for the church, tradition, and their families who will have those people in-town secretly say how they REALLY feel when they know that no one is listening so that the "bride and groom" and their family won't be offended.  That is what is known as being polite in society...but I know that I am not alone in how I feel about this and that goes for the friends of the family who would never say openly how offended THEY are, but you can bet your ass that the flies-on-the-wall are having an ear-full, especially from the older generation.

LINDSEY

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

MikeWB and Wimpy may i attempt to diffuse things without having my head taken off in middle :shock: - I have been reading both your responses and I agree with what both you are saying. You are both correct as you both hold your own different opposite views on religion / delusion ( pardon any misassumptions on my part)
I don't think either of you will agree on this thread, ever and its a shame to see you both argue as each of us must decide on this matter ourselves. Religion or Delusion ?

Back to the video -
:lol: :lol: They should have rented a barn, it would have been cheaper.

I agree with LordLindsey , Wimpy and Yammitor on this one.  Please keep in mind that anything on TV is Jewish Propaganda and should be taken as a "Cultural Attack" on just plain old decency.  The noble tradition of matrimony is very old and in the last 100 years, the Jews have basically driven a progamme to defile, debase and demean this tradition.  Having sex with 16 year olds in some countries is no big deal but in others it is a criminal and shameful act that corrupts youth. I hope traditional Western Christian tradition looks down on this as disgusting. If this kind of crap continues, it is all Jewish idiot Borat corrupt from this point forward till Judgement day for everybody in all realms- sacred and secular. Don't let it slide to a Jewish Joke "campy" for this honorable tradition. A wedding is serious business done between a man and woman before God above and a happy one at that. Keep it Simple and Honorable Stupid - K.I.S.A.-H.O.S.I.D.

[LordLindsey]

CSR added a real pearl of wisdom with his statement on this most important matter, and added much to my argument that what was shown was a MOCKERY of what a Christian wedding is.  The promotion of this in the media shows the propandizing of traditional values and morals within the most important of ceremonies--a wedding-bond between a man and a woman--and I am truly offended by what I saw.

Now...I need to go the club where I can dance for several hours and just generally enjoy myself!  *there is a time and a place for EVERTHING, and don't let that point be ignored or forgotten*

LINDSEY

[MikeWB]

Tradition? Considering that Jesus was jewish and that the first part of the Bible is completely 'borrowed' from the Jews and the rest of it (New Testament) was written by the JEWS about JEWS and the main protagonist is a JEW, you guys are still defending this religion? Bible says that God made Adam (a Jew) in his image  so what does that make this god? A jew? Don't Jews  claim in the Bible that they're god's chosen people? So how can you accept this holy book and follow its traditions and yet hate on Jews when everything in it is a product of jews? Why do you hate your origins and why do you hate your god? Didn't the fact that they call it "Judeo-Christian tradition" give you a clue as to who controls the things?

If you follow the bible, you might as well follow talmud since talmud is just a running commentary on the stuff in the bible. It's just an extension of the same crazy "logic" of a vindictive god who killed MILLIONS of people in the bible. And then you guys wonder why Jews are the way they are? Haven't you read the bible? Haven;t you read about god killing millions of people in the flood or a god that kills a woman by turning her into a pillar of salt for looking behind her?

And Lindsay here is "SICKENED" by some wedding video and finds it "Absolutely Insulting"? What, no one got killed and people are enjoying themselves too much and are happy and dancing... is that the problem with it? Maybe all of them should be smitten by god for it. I guarantee you that this marriage will last longer than "christian" marriages... the stats support that too. No, the jews are not responsible for this marriage. They are, however, completely responsible for this 'christian tradition' that you folks here are defending.

Oh, BTW, Exodus 35:2  "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." Today is Sunday and you guys are clearly posting here and doing work. Who wants to go first?  :lol:  Last week the Pope fell and broke his wrist. Wait a second, why didn't god warn him about that? He's supposedly his highest representative here...  :lol: . Did any of you have sex with a woman out of wedlock? Should I even tell you what your punishment is gonna be? Are you sickened by what you've all done? How dare you guys go against christian tradition and the word of god!

Or are you gonna tell me that you can pick and choose what to believe in Bible? I thought that Bible was written by the god himself and that you must accept the whole book and he even says so in the book.  Yeah, I've studied bible and can quote you passages for days if you want and show you how you're braking dozens if not hundreds of god's laws.

Don't you people realize that Jews control Christianity almost completely? Evangelicals are a vast majority of Christians in the US and they are completely on the side of Israel! And I mean completely to a point where they donate them money and worship them completely and are willing to die for them! They're sending their sons and daughters to fight wars to destroy Israel's enemies and worst of all, they know that and are happy to do it anyway. And you know what, they probably know about 9/11 and how it was done and they APPROVE OF IT! How do you think Bush and Cheney got on their side?

Imagine if US were not a "Christian" dominated country... the Jewish control of religious folk would not exist!

Really, guys, on one hand you despise Jewish religion and on the other you submit to them? Makes no sense at all.

All religions are a control mechanism. They're there to control the sheeple. Some people here laugh at and mock those who still believe in politics and how 9/11 was done by OBL etc and yet they don't look themselves in the mirror and see what delusions they have. There is no god. Parents probably told you that there's no Santa Claus but they forgot to mention that there's no god either. If god were real, he'd stop all this suffering. You cannot be truly woken up until you wake up and realize how they're controlling you with bullshit religion and bullshit fables. Hans Christian Anderson's fables are more believable than stories in the bible. The concept of hell... a devil with horns and a pitchfork? Give me a break. A talking wolf from Little Red riding hood makes more sense. What about Jonah and the whale story? You guys actually believe that took place??? What about Jack and the Beanstalk? If I asked 100 kids or people who never read the bible to separate stories from the bible (which are supposedly real) and HC Anderson's fables, how many people do you think would be able to do that?

And you think you will be able to make a difference and rid the country from Zionist control without striking at the root of the problem? How do you plan on converting 150+ MILLION people who are so drunk on religion and believe that Jews are god's chosen people and can do whatever they want and they're their servants and would lick their asses if asked?

I find it truly sad how people laugh at Scientologists and call them a cult and laugh at them for believing crazy shit about aliens from another world putting frozen people into Earth's volcanos and then blowing them up with hydrogen bombs and then stuff about how these spirits from these frozen people are now roaming the Earth as thetans and are inside of everyone... and yet they believe the idiotic stuff from the bible. At least Scientology bullshit is a bit more fun than a guy living inside a whale.

Grow up already and throw all these mental clutches away and face the reality! That's the only way to become free and rid yourselves from their chains. Their chains are not made out of iron, their chains are much stronger than that... you're all their mental prisoners.

[LordLindsey]

Look, I have said how "I" feel about this, and I said that if you dis-agree, then that is for "you."  Each of us has something that we hold dear to our hearts in a traditional sense, and marriage is a very serious issue for me and I will never apologize for my very strong stance on this issue.

I just won't do it because for me this was completely wrong and a mockery on what is one of the most important traditions for humanity; the way that the media is making this seem "cool" and a new way to act during a wedding ceremony just proves my point that there is an agenda behind the full-court press being put-out across the world showing this mockery.

I am NOT a Christian, and I am not a religious man in the sense that many people are, but I know what you should and should not do in a church for a wedding ceremony, and as far as I am concerned if people want to insult those who do take the ceremony of marriage seriously with X-inspired dance numbers in the aisle a church, then I simply have nothing more to say because we just don't have anything further to discuss on this matter.  

LINDSEY

NB:  Again, I will not get into a knock-down, drag-out argument with someone I respect over a simple difference of opinion--THIS was the point of this Topic because all of us have our mini-issues that are very dear to us and this dialogue is very important, even if none of us will change how we feel about the issue, because there are people who may not realize some of the points being brought-up due to the conversation.

[sullivan]

Leaving aside what should or should not be done in a church or during a church wedding, the proceedings in that video were extremely tacky and lacking anything resembling taste.  It looks like it was made to be 'different' so that it be shown on TV or could become a Youtube hit. Having said that, the 'traditions' being bandied about in this thread are nothing more than a control mechanism.

[Yammitor]

Your right, Lindsey standing up and walking out would not a rude act in such a situation though it might cause offense, depends on situation. I'd say most people knew in advance that this was going to be a unorthodox type wedding. To me its like being invited to the church ceremony and then having to watch the first dance of the couple instead. Hmmm?  Why did they have a church service when its more like the opening dance at the hotel, they could have saved this routine for the opening dance surely that would have been more appropriate.

I haven't watched the latest crop of hollywood wedding films but I will asume that these were the inspiration for this event. That plus other musicals / films. Lets have a wedding like a film  :lol:  :lol:

I was going to suggest that I felt it was the brides idea, that the groom must be pussy whipped as he caved in to allow this type of wedding. I didn't want to step on too many toes at once but since you confirmed it was the brides idea, i am not surprised.

If this groom was a man, as men were 50 years ago before they started the feminization campaign, as you said; no man would allow this type of wedding as he would know he would be talked about by everyone,  some might suggest he was a sissy.  :oops:

Results of the feminization campaign - would we have seen this 50 years ago.

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MikeWB your rejection of the bible is a good sign as from what you have wrote i can see you have rejected what you see to be the Talmud in disguise. I was indoctrinated into the "Judeo-Christian tradition" which i also rejected as its plainly a heap of smelly poo.

Tradition? Considering that Jesus was jewish and that the first part of the Bible is completely 'borrowed' from the Jews and the rest of it (New Testament) was written by the JEWS about JEWS and the main protagonist is a JEW, you guys are still defending this religion? Bible says that God made Adam (a Jew) in his image  so what does that make this god? A jew?

Judeo-Christianity is a hybrid version of Judaism which teaches a corrupted version of christanity that says Jesus was a Jew. So i understand where you have gotten that idea ( what i see as a misconception). But Adam being a JEW wow  :!:  thats new to me. I suppose you came to the conclusion that Adam was jewish because he was made in Gods image and God is also a Jew and therefore so is Adam. Is that why you reject the idea of God because God to you is Jewish ? I suppose if you follow the logic of Judeo-Christianity that would indeed make sense.

So how can you accept this holy book and follow its traditions and yet hate on Jews when everything in it is a product of jews? Why do you hate your origins and why do you hate your god? Didn't the fact that they call it "Judeo-Christian tradition" give you a clue as to who controls the things?

Judeo-Christian values and the values of Christianity as taught by Jesus are two completely different doctrines that cannot exist togethter. The term Judeo-Christian was invented by jewish inflitrators of the  different christian churches in the west. They started to change doctrines to their benefit for money and power. This has been a long process of corruption that has been evolving since the time of Jesus. Today I would call any religion a Judeo-christian if it does not completely and openly rebuke judaism and Judeo-Christianity as being a fraud. Most mainstream christian faiths would fall into this catergory. Texe Marrs for instance he knows this. I don't know what he calls his church. How about plain old Christian.

If you follow the bible, you might as well follow talmud since talmud is just a running commentary on the stuff in the bible. It's just an extension of the same crazy "logic" of a vindictive god who killed MILLIONS of people in the bible. And then you guys wonder why Jews are the way they are? And then you guys wonder why Jews are the way they are? Haven't you read the bible?

Yes, I have studied the bible, there are many different translations and its a detailed and interesting subject once you manage to drop the Judeo-Christianity mindset. If you study the Bible you will learn that the people of the old testement (Book of numbers i am guessing you are refering to ) that God ordered to be extermintated are the ancestors of todays Jews. (I can prove this with references if anyone doubts this.)

And then you guys wonder why Jews are the way they are? Haven't you read the bible?

Yes and thats why I argue God ordered them to be exterminated and it will yet happen, read the parable of the wheat and the tears.

Matthew 13 : 36-43.
Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Haven;t you read about god killing millions of people in the flood or a god that kills a woman by turning her into a pillar of salt for looking behind her?

God killed people in the flood because the people there had intermixed with the fallen angels (did you ever hear of the Book Of Enoch ) and had satanic / demonic blood mixed in their veins.

Genesis 6:4  "There were giants / nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Jude 1:6 records - who had fallen from heaven and from their former powers.
 "Angels who had not kept their first estate, When the sons of God came in unto the daughters of Adam..."

A woman being turned to a Pilar of Salt you as you are refering to was Lot's wife, during the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The woman was not turned into a literial pillar of salt, it was an ancient idiom that was used to describe grief and sorrow. This idiom was well understood at the time of writing but its meaning has been lost. Its like people today when they say "you must have a hole in your head." We understand the idiom today but will people 1000's of years from now understand.

Oh, BTW, Exodus 35:2  "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." Today is Sunday and you guys are clearly posting here and doing work.

Yes you are correct according to the bible we are all sinners who need to be punished by death. Therefore as is the christian tradition somebody must die for my sins for me to be forgiven. If i am to pay for my sins i must die. How can i have an afterlife if i am dead, i cannot. However christian tradition allows my sins to be forgiven if i can find another to die for my sins. Therefore we christians who believe that Jesus existed (as attested to in the talmud  :!:  )  and that was he was God himself born in as human flesh; a man, are allowed to substitute Jesus's deaths as a price need to pay for our own sins. That is the whole point in him being murdered as he was.

Jesus was the sinless Son of God, Thus he could pay our penalty for our sins. There was nothing magic about his blood; it served the same purpose for him as it does for all mankind. The giving of his blood meant the giving of his life. It was not the blood that was different, but the person.

Last week the Pope fell and broke his wrist. Wait a second, why didn't god warn him about that? He's supposedly his highest representative here...  :lol: .

Do you really expect me to accept the satanic Pope as Gods highest representative here on earth. I am a not Judeo-Christian moron, I actually know the Bible. Pope from Latin: "papa" or "father"

It is contrary to the Word of God to call a priest!) by the title "father." "...call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

Did any of you have sex with a woman out of wedlock? Should I even tell you what your punishment is gonna be? Are you sickened by what you've all done? How dare you guys go against christian tradition and the word of god! Or are you gonna tell me that you can pick and choose what to believe in Bible? I thought that Bible was written by the god himself and that you must accept the whole book and he even says so in the book.  Yeah, I've studied bible and can quote you passages for days if you want and show you how you're braking dozens if not hundreds of god's laws.

Yes i did have sex of wedlock and I am sure I will commit many more sins before I die, however as I believe in Jesus I will not have to pay for my sins as Jesus has made that payment for me. This doesn't give me a free pass. It gives me a look in, I will be still be judged by the works and deeds of my life. However works and deeds mean nothing without belief in Jesus, that is the foundation block.

Don't you people realize that Jews control Christianity almost completely? Evangelicals are a vast majority of Christians in the US and they are completely on the side of Israel! And I mean completely to a point where they donate them money and worship them completely and are willing to die for them! They're sending their sons and daughters to fight wars to destroy Israel's enemies and worst of all, they know that and are happy to do it anyway.

Yes the Christianity of today has been almost completely subverted by Judeo-Christian values a good example is this video.

Imagine if US were not a "Christian" dominated country... the Jewish control of religious folk would not exist!

Surely you mean: "imagine if US were not a "Judeo-Christian" dominated country.. the Jewish control of religious folk would not exist."

Really, guys, on one hand you despise Jewish religion and on the other you submit to them? Makes no sense at all.

Am i mananging to make any sense ?

All religions are a control mechanism.

True, they are controls put in place upon society. I would say that a society needs to have controls put in place for it to function. I see the assault on christian morals and values and i can identify the source of todays attack. The greatest attacks on christanity have always come from the same source be they today or through out the bibles recorded history. Isn't it obvious one of the main the control mechanisms today is Jewish Propaganda on TV. This is one sided attack on christian values. How can you ignore these cultural attacks on the values that built western society and be dismissive of the effects rather than suspicious. CrackSmokeRepublican summed it up perfectly in his post.  

Personally I would rather accept the controls on society as laid down in the laws of the bible as i feel they would build a more stable and productive society than that of the current system which can only be described as the laws of men. :evil:

If you reject God religion or the Bible you are opening the door to secular belief system where you were granted your rights from Government not God.
Anything which is given by Government and be taken away. The rights given to us by God as i see it cannot be justifably taken from us by government if we as a society stand together and say "no we obtained our rights from God and they cannot be taken on the whims of some bureaucrat." For me I obtained my rights from God and when Government comes to take my rights there will be blood.

There is no god. ...... If god were real, he'd stop all this suffering......

If you understood the christian bible not the judeo-christian doctrine you would understand why the world is as it is. The judeo-christian doctrine offers only confusion and falsehoods.

You cannot be truly woken up until you wake up and realize how they're controlling you with bullshit religion and bullshit fables.

I could say exactly the same thing about your beliefs or non beliefs but i think John said it better.

John 10:14 -28"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me,... you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. They will not follow another."

And you think you will be able to make a difference and rid the country from Zionist control without striking at the root of the problem? How do you plan on converting 150+ MILLION people who are so drunk on religion and believe that Jews are god's chosen people and can do whatever they want and they're their servants and would lick their asses if asked?

I can make a difference and again i turn to

John 15:5 "without me (jesus) you can do nothing."

Isn't it obvious to everyone. If we all lived our lives as we are advised to do in the bible THE JEWS would have no power over us as they would have no means by which to get their hooks in. - Most obvious thing in the world to me, i can't understand why others cannot see this.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Grow up already and throw all these mental clutches away and face the reality! That's the only way to become free and rid yourselves from their chains. Their chains are not made out of iron, their chains are much stronger than that... you're all their mental prisoners.

I understand your position, I don't think we will ever agree. Thats fine, I hope others found our discussions interesting, which ever side they are on.

As Lindsey said I also do not want get into knock-down, drag-out argument with someone over our mini-issues. I just wanted to explain my position. I am still examining my beliefs and if /when i find flaws I will change accordingly my ill conceived notions.

[Yammitor]

Doh !! I double posted the same reply... deleting it.