SPIRITUAL vs 'MONEY' - who will win?

[§N9sh2bj]

THIS IS NOT A SPIRITUAL OR A BIBLICAL FIGHT THAT WE'RE IN! This has nothing to do with a Bible or Satan or these other ludicrous concoctions that all these crazy fundamentalists are coming up with!

What we're dealing with is a bunch of criminals that only care about one thing: MONEY!

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what else is judaic-zionism only a modern incarnation of the ages-old Devil worshipping Synagogue of Satan condemned by Jesus in the Bible?

Who, will win?
 
p.s. sorry if it's not the best quote from you, celtic warrior-user-person. This is from the recent Beatles album thread, btw.
I'll stick my private thoughts below.

[§N9sh2bj]

For me it's about neither and both. Divide and conquer is their byline, and I'm concerned these examples and others on the board show apparent differences of perspective on the same mechinations, to stand farther away from each other, instead of as brothers, close.

To me these two issues, a theological view and a 'cold hard cash' view are not separated.
They are together at the root.

Like how commercial redemption, means something different to me than 'getting my money back'. I think it is not just a play on words, but a unification.

And when I think of theology, it backs up the money issues. When I concentrate too much on the 'money' issues, or lack of, as there is no money in 'the public' circulation, it sometimes reflects back to the theology for me, but mostly I find myself going back to what my heart says. I believe men are christian first - in their heart, this is a status of the relationship one has with his heart, and beyond that for those inclined, spiritual ramifications. Any association with a corporate Church, is somewhat or purely meaningless. For one perspective, nearly all so-called 'churches' in the several states are corporatized: their leadership took the bate under misnomer, and applied for 501(c)3 status, although churches, by definition, are tax-immune and don't need it. This makes the churches' members and pastors, assumed to be controlled by parent corporations, again under misnomer, and lacking any political speech options.

I am mentioning on churches, usually perceived as 'places of worship', since the man behind MikeWB seems to be on the side of atheists, and CelticWarrior's owner might not like my answer for their own use, either, especially as it's not some kind of woo-woo spiritual response. I privately believe churches have to do a lot with the question. Think of the phrase: 'a church divided is no church at all.' I think that's borrowed from the zeitgeist films. I'm not endorsing them, btw. They were, for a long time, focal points of people in any given area, and a motivating factor beyond wealth, of what to do with one's life.

These people; these jews - cult members - have so many members working on so many angles at once, they turn mens' minds and hearts against one another, through money or currency; and spirituality. Once a people have lost heart-centered reality, and go for ego-gain in the head, worldly gains (New Worldly Order), then we become nothing to ourselves, and one another.

I know at different times in my life, when I was struggling, sometimes the answers came down to sitting with the problem, waiting for awhile. That might not immediately seem to an outsider as a spiritual experience. And sometimes solutions came from outright praying, privately. Both of these are private actions which did not require a church building or 'mega-mall' structure - far from it. I found these type of buildings and their members and their existence in the states, distractions at the least-worst.

Everything I immerse myself in these days, says that spirituality and commerce (so-called 'money') are tied at the hip. It is impossible to separate one from the other, as each informs on the other.

[celticwarrior]

§N9sh2bj said:

'To me these two issues, a theological view and a 'cold hard cash' view are not separated.
They are together at the root'.

I totally agree with you and this is what MikeWB fails to understand that criminals, by nature, seek ill-gotten gains by breaking one or more of Jesus's commandments such as bearing false witness, stealing or killing etc and disobeying his teaching to love others as you do yourself and to treat others as you would wish they treat you;

but he is wrong to equate this select crime gang that we are talking about here in Ognir's think tank, the zionists, with so-called 'ordinary decent criminals' who just want money; the Rothschild-led, transnational controllers of this gang are predominently Ashkenazi 'who say they are jews but are not and are of the Synagogue of Satan'; they already have almost all the money in the world; what they crave is what is promised to them by their 'holy' books such as the Talmud and the Kabbala  
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[MikeWB]

§N9sh2bj said:

'To me these two issues, a theological view and a 'cold hard cash' view are not separated.
They are together at the root'.

I totally agree with you and this is what MikeWB fails to understand that criminals, by nature, seek ill-gotten gains by breaking one or more of Jesus's commandments such as bearing false witness, stealing or killing etc and disobeying his teaching to love others as you do yourself and to treat others as you would wish they treat you;

but he is wrong to equate this select crime gang that we are talking about here in Ognir's think tank, the zionists, with so-called 'ordinary decent criminals' who just want money; the Rothschild-led, transnational controllers of this gang are predominently Ashkenazi 'who say they are jews but are not and are of the Synagogue of Satan'; they already have almost all the money in the world; what they crave is what is promised to them by their 'holy' books such as the Talmud and the Kabbala  
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Yawn. More religious bullcrap that doesn't correlate to reality. All these religious books are the books of hate.

These Zio controllers don't give a shit about religion. All they care is about money and control of people.

[celticwarrior]

MikeWB said:
'All these religious books are the books of hate.

These Zio controllers don't give a shit about religion. All they care is about money and control of people'.

I agree with you, these 'holy' books comprise the hateful Babylonian cult customs and supremacist world-view that Jesus came to sweep away

I agree with you, they don't believe in them as Christians believe in the Bible because, for them everything is twisted and corrupted, there is no redeeemer coming to save their souls so any evil act is condoned and encouraged to get more money, power and control over people

we are on the same page MikeWB, just reading it through different glasses

I don't know where you are from, but I am from the Emerald Isle, "the Land of Saints and Scholars":  when Europe was in the Dark Ages, Irish Christian monks kept the torch of civilisation alight when it had been extinguished everywhere else; you and I have the incredible priveledge of living still in a relatively free society thanks in no small part to those who sacrificed all to push back that dark curtain of ignorance, superstition and paganism

[§N9sh2bj]

'To me these two issues, a theological view and a 'cold hard cash' view are not separated.
They are together at the root'.

I totally agree with you and this is what MikeWB fails to understand that criminals, by nature, seek ill-gotten gains by breaking one or more of Jesus's commandments such as bearing false witness, stealing or killing etc and disobeying his teaching
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I would put out there, jesus the christ said he did not come to make new laws, but only to set the old ones straight. I have other copies of the so-called 'old testament' scripture, as do others, not in wide circulation. It's pretty clear the 'jesus/christ/moses said one thing, and some corrupt scribes changed it, flipped it around' - thing has been going on for a long, long time.

The funny thing is, the historical jesus says (paraphrasing) 'Everybody gets it but you lot.', speaking to the pharasitic jews.

Joe (of the family Blow) likes to dunk me when I say it, probably because of some semblance to the new-age groups, but nassim haramein has it right: at least he has a valid description of the universe and us in relation to us all. He shows the lay side of the physics to people, and the tech side to physicists, who I understand throw him out of physics conferences - that inside every galaxy, sun, planet, and ourselves, is a connection to infinity, a kind of 'mini' black hole in the case of our hearts, connected with every other black hole in the universe. Making us both the center of our universes, present as outward manifestations in a multiverse. The video is on google.

Now I bring up physics, and 'spirituality', not to knock it, causing some to wonder: how did we get on this topic? As nassim points out, 'the spiritualists, who are usually driving an SUV and talking on their cell phones, say we don't need technology,' and the physicists say and write the opposite. I don't see them as divergent, or separate, any more than I see money, or currency, and the spiritual side separate or somehow cut-off from each other. Newton's laws, in the physics textbooks, only apply to isolated environments. It's a disclaimer in the beginning of the college books. When infinity (spiritualism) creeps up, things like 'Plank's Constant' are used, instead of simply accepting infinity exists and going from there. This creates a fraudulent theoretical view of the world, as inconsistent with natural law as the pharasees.

The kind of education of only finites, or more properly, a jewish brainwashing, has an affect on the people, pushing a poverty mentality at the same time mankind is ready to move beyond it. In fact, I believe, this and other fraud-science is cooked up to keep people back. It is said, Newton heavily studied the Kabbalah. Who knows what he had his fingers in? I am now always rightly suspicious of heavily-promoted people in today, with 'name' and 'status', no matter how far back in the last several hundred years they found themselves on the planet's soil. This goes for dead people honored at museums.

It includes historical figures such as 'the Jesus' on the Cross. What the fuck is that all about? Surely this looks like a death cult, and bears almost no resemblance to the actual, historical man, what he did, or who he was. Does the 'modern scripture' ever mention he was a devout vegetarian, as was the entire nasarian essene community? Does the 'modern scripture' ever mention his wife was a dark-skinned ethiopian woman? The so-called 'black madonna', honored throughout france and other places in europe. Does the 'modern scripture', or dan brown for that matter, ever mention the 'holy blood' is not a physical bloodline, but something someone attains by giving your life for others?

It is right that Mike and other devout athiests should be disgusted by the idea 'the Jesus' had no wife. I'm sure Mike did not pop out of a werman (male member of mankind), and likewise does not want to entertain the notion of having sexual intercourse with the same. But it seems all this death cult can do is to exclude the femine aspect, turning it into something called 'The Holy Ghost'. What a bunch of bullshit.

It is my belief, truely devout christians, led by their heart, do their best to drop a book heavily modified by a drinking, meat-eating, late night partying and womanizer constantine. And those truly devout atheists, what is a label, anyway?, lead by their heart. We are all men, and the sooner we face it, the better.

[celticwarrior]

§N9sh2bj said:

'jesus the christ said he did not come to make new laws, but only to set the old ones straight. I have other copies of the so-called 'old testament' scripture, as do others, not in wide circulation. It's pretty clear the 'jesus/christ/moses said one thing, and some corrupt scribes changed it, flipped it around' - thing has been going on for a long, long time.' and  'the historical jesus says (paraphrasing) 'Everybody gets it but you lot.', speaking to the pharasitic jews.'

that is correct, like you, I have studied various texts that are contemporaneous with or pre-date the Old and the New Testaments and have found that what Texe calls the "evil Jewish leadership", the Pharisees, steeped in their judaic,  pagan cult practices, twisted and corrupted the righteous Mosaic law to make it reflect their supremacist, vengeful beliefs; Jesus came 'to stop the rot', so to speak, to show the true, narrow path back to a moral life:  

disciple Thomas asked Jesus "how can we know the way?"  Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". ( John 14:6 (New International Version):
the Essenes espoused similar principles to Jesus and that is probably why their 'Dead Sea Scrolls' have never been fully revealed to the world

as for the rest of §N9sh2bj's posting, I have said that a great number of Churches established by imperfect mortals ostensibly to promote Jesus's message have become widely infiltrated and corrupted by zionist agents with a kindred mentality to those who conspired to affect His execution;