Genetic study of Ashkenazi ancestry proves they're not Khaza

[LatinAmericanview]

If you believe people are animals (Goyim) slaughtering them is nothing.  In fact, if a solar flare ends all life tonight then so be it. More carbon for making oil in a few million years.

If you believe all humans are connected through out history in a common narrative and that organization at this complexity is not chance, you might give a second reading of the Bible.  Particularly if you know history and know something about Biblical Archaeology.

The Zionist Jews are pushing to fulfill a broken promise.  They will not rule and inherit the earth.  If we are just animals Goyim, then you have no grounds to contest Israel except on racial grounds? No? Who gives whom "rights"?   This world could easily end by many means today or tomorrow. If you don't have a belief in God and just in biological determinism -- you will have your brethren living in Nuclear Devastation someday. Higher powers friends is the way.

What is this? What are you on Crack? We are talking about proving a claim. Why can't the Jews be separated from religion?

[Rockclimber]

If you believe people are animals (Goyim) slaughtering them is nothing.  In fact, if a solar flare ends all life tonight then so be it. More carbon for making oil in a few million years.

If you believe all humans are connected through out history in a common narrative and that organization at this complexity is not chance, you might give a second reading of the Bible.  Particularly if you know history and know something about Biblical Archaeology.

The Zionist Jews are pushing to fulfill a broken promise.  They will not rule and inherit the earth.  If we are just animals Goyim, then you have no grounds to contest Israel except on racial grounds? No? Who gives whom "rights"?   This world could easily end by many means today or tomorrow. If you don't have a belief in God and just in biological determinism -- you will have your brethren living in Nuclear Devastation someday. Higher powers friends is the way.

What is this? What are you on Crack? We are talking about proving a claim. Why can't the Jews be separated from religion?

90% of the "Jews" have separated themselves from religion-they're called secular "jews". But since their is no "jew gene"(chosen gene) per se and since Jewish is a religion, these ain't no "jews" we be talking bout here. (the title is for convenience: the anti-semite card)

Hey you're in good company LAV, since you have chosen the secular path.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

90% of the "Jews" have separated themselves from religion-they're called secular "jews". But since their is no "jew gene"(chosen gene) per se and since Jewish is a religion, these ain't no "jews" we be talking bout here. (the title is for convenience: the anti-semite card)

Hey you're in good company LAV, since you have chosen the secular path.

Then what would drive "Secular Jews" to rebuild the 3rd Temple?  More shade for pomegranates?  You can't separate the "Jew" from their pre-Modern history.
 Israel's founders - the Zionists, subscribed to this first and foremost - Jabotinsky Jews would not be in "Zion" if the religious Jews did not want to rebuild the 3rd Temple and inherit "their" prophecy. They are secular but the religious Jews see them as instruments to build an Earthly Zion.  
I'll cut this one short at this point if you don't understand these types of connections with Herzl, Rothschild and the religious foundations of Zionism. If a group of people want to inherit the earth as rulers - they will do so with secular or sacred means.  Whatever works with whatever audience -- they will worm their way.
Jewish Genetics legitamizes a connection to King David among Millions of people. Kick that away, and their legitimacy collapses.

[LatinAmericanview]

Jewish Genetics legitamizes a connection to King David among Millions of people. Kick that away, and their legitimacy collapses.

Why is the King David connection important? Assume for a moment that the biblical tradition is false then ask what is the basis for a Jewish Homeland in Palestine?

[sullivan]

Assume for a moment that the biblical tradition is false then ask what is the basis for a Jewish Homeland in Palestine?

The way I see it, there are three possibilities. The first is what you suggest, that the biblical tradition is false, as in deliberately falsified. The second is that it is, like any oral tradition, the result of so many 'Chinese whispers' as to be as good as falsified. The third is that it is true. Either way, the 'Jewish' claim on the land of Palestine is specious.

[LatinAmericanview]

Assume for a moment that the biblical tradition is false then ask what is the basis for a Jewish Homeland in Palestine?

The way I see it, there are three possibilities. The first is what you suggest, that the biblical tradition is false, as in deliberately falsified. The second is that it is, like any oral tradition, the result of so many 'Chinese whispers' as to be as good as falsified. The third is that it is true. Either way, the 'Jewish' claim on the land of Palestine is specious.

The use of the biblical tradition is really taking advantage of peoples firmly held beliefs. The congruence between political necessity and religious prophesy is highly suspicious particular when it involves dispossessing landowners of their property and creating a military outpost in the heart of the old Ottoman Empire.  It reminds me of Capt. Kirk asking god what he needs with a star ship from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

[youtube:oj6n1pbv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYW_lPlekiQ [/youtube]oj6n1pbv]

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

The way I see it, there are three possibilities. The first is what you suggest, that the biblical tradition is false, as in deliberately falsified. The second is that it is, like any oral tradition, the result of so many 'Chinese whispers' as to be as good as falsified. The third is that it is true. Either way, the 'Jewish' claim on the land of Palestine is specious.

Well now, this presents a "Grouper" opportunity to discuss "Historical" perspective.

 1. If Jesus was a living Jewish Prophet with a genetic connection to King David -- remember all the "son of"'s in the New Testament and the prophecies of Isiah, Ezekiel and Daniel as a descendant of King "David" -- then you may believe that the modern Jewish Zionists are collective "false prophets".

2. If you believe that most of the Ancient Jewish Torah and Greek/Aramaic  New Testament is a corrupted  "Semi-Truth Fantasy" tale; and that the Prophecies are fake or indecipherable - the purely secular view.  Perhaps that it is a corrupted Cargo-temple cult religion quite popular in the Roman-Greek-Persian figurine religious worlds or something leveraged from ancient Gilgamesh Sumerian-Egyptian stories -- then you must be more oriented towards a "modern" world governed by human "laws" or perhaps the "UN" - the higher authority.  If you pin everything against this a biblical based view, you may run the risk of seeing violence between races and "nations" as "natural outcomes" from internal "struggles".  The leopards kill and eat the slow Zebras.  Hey, all it takes is a guillotine to get a real world view started -- remember that Jewish Communism fostered a very "non-religious" wold view and killed millions who merely deviated from it -- same for the Nazis in that respect.  A purely secular world is what the Jews have always wanted.  They would love to have the Middle-East Godless - it would allow them to rake the nations faster. Jews that took over Turkey required the separation of Minaret and State.

3.  If you believe in a Jewish Zionist perspective, you will believe that you will inherit the "physical earth". Palestine proper is the first of many "lands" to be conquered.


BTW, "Star Trek" is a Jewish World view perspective.... seriously.

[GordZilla]

Assume for a moment that the biblical tradition is false then ask what is the basis for a Jewish Homeland in Palestine?

The way I see it, there are three possibilities. The first is what you suggest, that the biblical tradition is false, as in deliberately falsified. The second is that it is, like any oral tradition, the result of so many 'Chinese whispers' as to be as good as falsified. The third is that it is true. Either way, the 'Jewish' claim on the land of Palestine is specious.

The use of the biblical tradition is really taking advantage of peoples firmly held beliefs. The congruence between political necessity and religious prophesy is highly suspicious particular when it involves dispossessing landowners of their property and creating a military outpost in the heart of the old Ottoman Empire.  It reminds me of Capt. Kirk asking god what he needs with a star ship from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

The problem is it's a misnomer, and one the popular church falls for daily. Nowhere in the bible does God grant these people the RIGHT to have Palestine as their homeland. They (and these were the tribes of Israel {the family of Jacob}) were offered the right to return ONLY if they kept the covenant with God, they reneged and therefore lost the right to return.  That's the REAL biblical tradition.

 Small point, but don't call it Biblical tradition, call it religious ('new age', even) tradition.  

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre ... ry800.html

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Electronic Intifada: Israel's surprising best seller contradicts founding ideology
Ha'aretz: An invention called 'the Jewish people'
Khazri-Fiction: A Yahoo e-group that is for people interested in reading, writing, publishing, or distributing historical fiction novels and short stories about the Khazar Khaganate as well as other topics in Jewish, Slavic, and Turkic history
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Posted by Brent on April 19, 2009  #74464

European Ashkenazis maternally inherited mDNA shows there is no "Jewish people"; especially among White Khazar Ashkenazis! The only claims made by Zionist propagandist "researchers" are done by looking at the alleged "non-recombing part" of the male Y-Chromosome. Which overlooks the fact that in Jewish law "Jewishness" is inherited from the mother only! Meaning what is important to study is the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (aka mDNA). After studying this it shows that Ashkenazis have a "local origin" meaning local to EUROPE and Central Asia (i.e. Khazars). Judaism is a religion and not a race, anyway.
 
Posted by British Quaker on March 4, 2009  #69532

Long ago I read Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe and was fascinated by it, but questions about language puzzled me.

The Khazars were a Turkic people and spoke a Turkic language. If modern Ashkenazi Jews are descended from them, how did they end up speaking Yiddish [Juedisch] which is essentially a dialect of German with borrowings from other languages (notably Hebrew) and with Hebrew script. Yiddish appears to have been the language of Jewish communities from Germany eastward, deep into Russia. I can understand that these people might, if they had been persecuted in western Europe (including England, France and Germany) carry their established tongue as they migrated eastward into Poland and Lithuania where they were at first encouraged by those governments. They might retain the Yiddish language, which they had presumably acquired while living in Germany, but why had they not earlier carried the Khazarian Turkish tongue westward?

Can anyone throw any light on this?
 
Posted by Anonymous American on January 16, 2009  #64044

The history of the Khazars is important, and the fact that most (all?) Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazars is even more important, because a great deal of support for the modern nation-state of Israel comes from Protestant Christians in America.

There is a great deal of Dispensational theology running throughout American Protestantism. The Dispensationalists misinterpret Genesis 12:1-2, thinking it applies to the modern nation-state of Israel, rather than to Christ. Therefore, they support Israel no matter how much evil Israel commits.

If the truth about the Khazaric nature of the Ashkenazi Jews were to become wide-spread knowledge amongst American Protestants -- even if they were to continue to hold to their Dispensationalist theological errors -- they might recognize the evil the Jews are committing and oppose it. In such a case, they would recognize that the Zionists are not descendants of Abraham, and are therefore not covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2.

If only the Dispensational Protestants knew their Bible better, this wouldn't matter. After all, "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"!! (Romans 9:6) The Bible is very clear that it doesn't matter whether you are a Jew or a Gentile. God is gathering to Himself a People from every nation on the earth.

But given that the Dispensationalists do not know their Bibles very well (at least, they do not know the verse in Romans cited above), it may help to point out to them that the murderous Zionists currently running the modern nation-state of Israel are in no way descendants of Abraham.

Lord Have Mercy!!
 
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Posted by dubliner on March 11, 2008  #31364

As there is no such thing as "Jewish race" how can the Palestinians be expected to recognise Israel as a Jewish state?
Maybe an Ashkenazi state?
 
Posted by Brent on October 28, 2007  #22493

Note on the Khazars and their links to today's Ashkenazi white European Jews.
THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA: "Khazars, a NON- SEMITIC, ASIATIC, MONGOLIAN TRIBAL NATION who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."
 
Posted by Brent on October 28, 2007  #22492

Today's Askhenazi white European Jews without any doubt have much of their genetic make-up from the Khazar Jewish converts. The Khazar king, Bulan, was the first to convert to Judaism. Later on after Bulan, another Khazar king named Obadiah soldified the complete Khazar kingdom's conversion to Judaism. This Khazar king Obadiah is famous for having led a major push to build synagogues, Jewish Talmudic law schools, and in general promote and impose the Jewish faith on the Khazar people. The Khazars mixed with other European and maybe some other genetics are Askhenazis.
 
Posted by Karem Alhams on October 6, 2007  #21316

I am not sure as to what this story about Khazars has to do with this site?
 
Posted by Brent on September 11, 2007  #20300

SBaram: I agree we must find a just solution. But can you tell me how it is just to refuse to allow Palestinian's living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Iraq, etc. whose families up until 1948 were living in Palestine. These people actually have parent's and grandparent's that lived and had heritage for thousands of years in Palestine. Somehow these people aren't allowed to return home to Palestine, but European Ashkenazi Jews with very little or no Semitic blood due to Jewish intermarriage in Gentile Europe for 2000+ yrs. and Khazar conversions, etc. to come to "Eretz Israel". And the hist. of David and Solomon is hotly debated the only proof of David the "biblical" character is from 1 inscription at the place called Tel Dan other than that all historical evidences goes against any massive Nile-to-Eurphates Hebrew Judaic Kingdom!
 
Posted by SBaram on September 5, 2007  #19963

What does the story of the Khazars have to do with Palestine?
#2: How do you know that the Khazar military was Muslim? What relevence is it in the Palestinian plight?
#3: The Caliphate lost its attempt to rule the Khazar Empire, so what? Later, Khazaria succumbed to more powerful Byzantium and the Rus, So what?
More important - Palestine Remembered lists hundreds of Palestinian villages usurped by the Israelis. No attempt has been made to show which villages were Palestinian, and which villages were inhabited by foreigners, like Circassians, Serbs, Iraqis or Turks.
Separation of ethnic groups is not important when seeking a just solution. But to validate claims, if claimants migrated to and from Palestine, many ancient claims on the land may be overruled.
Let us seek justice, not victory based on stories of Khazar Jews, night flights to Haram al-Sharif, or denial of Davidic history.
 
Posted by brad gorm on July 5, 2007  #17729

2 things to stress: 1) Khazaria was the FIRST independent state in the territory of Russia. 2) The army and most of the generals of Khazaria were overwhelmingly Muslim. There is no reference that the Muslim military of civilians were ever disloyal to the Khazar Jewish regime. 3) After a few early attempts at conquest, the Caliphate lived at peace with Khazaria for Khazaria's final centuries. The Byzantines and Russ, both Christian, invaded and destroyed the Khazar state.
 
 


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[Rockclimber]

Thanks CSR...

A couple of things to note...if even they admit it, than why the controversy?

THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA: "Khazars, a NON- SEMITIC, ASIATIC, MONGOLIAN TRIBAL NATION who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

LIke it or not, this statement is the essence of why the "jews'' must hide their dirty secret:

If the truth about the Khazaric nature of the Ashkenazi Jews were to become wide-spread knowledge amongst American Protestants -- even if they were to continue to hold to their Dispensationalist theological errors -- they might recognize the evil the Jews are committing and oppose it. In such a case, they would recognize that the Zionists are not descendants of Abraham, and are therefore not covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2.

Also check this out...there is a decent amount of info here:

http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will ... elites.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jews.htm

[sirbadman]

Interesting... LAV steered this thread into a different direction.

[rodin]

I read Meyer Amschel Rothschild had a dozen children - 5 of each and a couple illegitimate. Maybe more.

This was back in the late 1700's. Now we are in the 2000's. Assume 35 years between generations.

Lets assume each has on average half the number of offspring their parents had. After the next generation there are 72 Rothschild descendants. One more generation of this and there are 432. - 3rd generation
Continuing in the same vein (pun intended) to the present day would yield

432 x 6 x 6 x 6 x 6 x 6 x 6 progeny

The number would be just over 20,000,000.

No allowance made for inbreeding, which would reduce the number. But additional illegitimate offspring could increase it. Lowering generation interval to say 30 years would add a couple of multiples, this alone would show 720,000,000

Then we have cloning, artificial insemination and the rest recent additions.

Are we dealing with a huge extended ruling family? Will they require the entire planet soon?

[sirbadman]

Rodin.. not everyone lives long enough to breed. I dont think there is even a living descendant of Abe Lincoln.

Plus these guys did inbreeding, which really thins out the numbers.

For a laugh you should check out what happened to the descendants of Charles Darwin. Now that forms the best example of how eugenics/THEORY of evolution can play out. Darwin and some buddies mapped out an inter breeding program that was producing tards by the 3rd generation.

And surviving in the 1700-1800s was not friggin easy man, even if you were a rich prick you were lucky to get to 50.

[rodin]

Rodin.. not everyone lives long enough to breed.

Meyer did.