The bible is repulsive!

[MikeWB]

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." ~ Seneca

One of the most truthful statements on religion ever uttered.

[ehpg]

Hollywoodism: Jews, movies and the American dream
For anyone who disputes the fact that Jews run Hollywood, this obscure little documentary film is a must-see.

http://tracker.umunu.com/download.php?i ... vi.torrent or http://www.mininova.org/tor/1402651

Hollywood's War on God

The Da Vinci Con: Hollywood's War on God, is a mind-blowing, eye-popping documentary that reveals how satanic forces are using Hollywood's most memorable movies and most popular actors to propagate an ancient lie in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Learn how these movies are initiating the masses into a Gnostic worldview that will culminate in a "strong delusion" as the world joins Satan & the final Antichrist in their war on God. http://www.mininova.org/tor/2193823


Hollywood Insiders: Fallen Angels

Today's minds are being programmed to accept a single world leader, and with Hollywood's help, they will. In each film lies layers upon layers of occultism, synchronicities, conditioning, programming, desensitization, and symbolism. A repeating story is being told, one whose purpose could only serve the dark elite. By binding together seemingly unconnected Hollywood films, Fallen Angels reveals a nefarious plan to deceive the world into worshiping a mere man; and on the way, exposes writers and producers like Matt Groening ( The Simpsons ), George Lucas ( Starwars ),Joanne Rowling ( Harry Potter ) and Larry/Andy Wachowski ( The Matrix ) as Illuminati insiders. Other movies like Stargate, The Road to El dorado, and Dogma are also part of this repeating story. All of these movies share a common thread, and reveals a storyline every Illuminati member is familiar with. http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4614501

Hollywood Unmasked

This in-depth and thoroughly documented expos? hosted by Dr. Jason D. Kovar clearly and without a doubt reveals just how Satanism and New Age Philosophy has and continues to have an influence on today's motion pictures, as well as those of yesterday. This expos? which focuses on the violence found in much of today's movies will have you at the edge of your seat as deceptions unfold before your eyes.

Hollywood Unmasked PART 2

Is it possible that the most popular actors and actressses of the 20th and 21st centuries have been, and are, being possessed by demons? Listen to the confessions of the Hollywood elite as they describe how they are truly energized by demonic spirits for their performances. Journey with us again as we pull back the curtain even further on the most powerful mind-shaping institution in the world. Hollywood Unmasked 2 will reveal more hidden truths that were unknown to the average viewer... Until now. Presented by Dr. Jason D. Kovar, this video will never allow you to look at casual entertainment the same way again.
 
http://tracker.umunu.com/download.php?i ... B2.torrent or http://www.mininova.org/tor/2164284

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

These are great resources. Thanks ehpg!

The Jews Behind Da Vinci Code
By: Rev. Ted Pike on: 27.05.2006 [16:12 ] (2071 reads)
   

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Almost everyone realizes the Da Vinci Code is an unprecedented attack on Christianity and Jesus Christ. But most people don't know that the media giants orchestrating this attack are Jewish.

Sony Corporation, the force behind the Da Vinci Code movie, is the eye of this Jewish promotional octopus. In the late 1980s, Sony of Japan bought out Metro Goldwyn Meyer, Columbia Pictures, and United Artists. Former president of Jewish-owned CBS, Howard Stringer (a Jew), became second in command of Sony International. He is chair and CEO of Sony of America. 1

Sony of America is dominated by Jewish names. Emily Susskind is president. Robert Wiesenthal is executive VP and chief financial officer; Nicole Seligman is executive VP and general counsel. Phil Weiser is CTO and senior VP. Michael Fidler Jr. is senior VP. Jay Samit is general manager of Connect. Gretchen Griswold is director of corporate communications. 2

Sony's subsidiary, Columbia Pictures, maker of the Da Vinci Code movie, is headed by Amy Pascal, a Jew. She is also chairman of Sony's Motion Picture Group. 3 The producer of the film is Brian Grazer, a Jew.

The screenplay was written by well-known, Jewish screenwriter Akiva Goldsman.

A MEDIA OCTOPUS

While originating with Sony, the Da Vinci Code's promotion is a many-pronged attack on Christianity coming from the Jewish media community.

Sony worked closely with NBC in promotion of NBC/Universal's anti-Christ Book of Daniel last winter. Now NBC, presided over by its Jewish head of television programming, Jeff Zukor, has lavishly promoted Sony's Da Vinci Code movie on NBC. This past week, Today Show host Matt Lauer led the nation on a European "treasure hunt" in the steps of the Code. CBS, presided over by Jewish Sumner Redstone, and ABC, by Jewish Michael Eisner, have helped build a firestorm of public curiosity about the book and movie.

MEGA BOOK SALES

The largest Jewish publishing houses reap staggering profits from sales of Da Vinci Code books. Jewish Joel Klein is chairman of American operations of Bertelsmann A.G., the largest publishing conglomerate in the world. Random House, which the Encyclopedia Judaica confirms is Jewish-owned and controlled, is part of this consortium, benefiting by massive distribution advantages. 4 Random House owns rights to produce all large-print copies of the Da Vinci Code. As a division of Random House, Doubleday owns rights to produce all regular-print and special collector's editions of the book. Finally, Anchor Books, another venerable Jewish publishing house and subsidiary of Random House completes this Jewish monopoly by printing all paperback copies.

Jewish-controlled magazines also hype the Code. Some 50 popular magazines, including Time, Life, and People, are owned by Time/Warner, with Jewish Norman Pearlstein, editor in chief. Newsweek, published by Jewish Donald Graham's Washington Post, has featured recent conspicuous articles enticing millions to purchase the book or see the movie.

Articles too numerous to mention continue to emerge from Jewish-controlled newspapers. These include those owned by the Samuel Newhouse chain, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the New York Review of Books, the Village Voice, etc. All have been intensifying interest in the Da Vinci Code's blasphemous message. The New York Times praised the book as "impeccably researched," despite the Code's outrageous claims, including that the Roman Catholic Church burned five million women at the stake. These media voices, which reflected so gravely on possible anti-Semitism in Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, have not a word of concern about the Code's rabid anti-Christianity. That's because they share it.

ATTACKS ON CHRIST CONVERGE

In a previous e-alert, I documented how Jews helped the National Geographic Society to bring the "Gospel of Judas" blasphemy to the attention of the world (See, "Judas: Historic Jewish Hero"). I revealed how NGS' prestigious Codex advisory panel, the driving force behind promotion of this sacrilege, is top heavy with Jewish names.

Such fevered Christ-bashing continues a pattern of stepped-up attacks by Jewish activists over the past six months:

Last November, Abe Foxman, head of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, attacked politically involved Christian conservatives as a threat to freedom. He vilified the Southern Baptist Convention for allowing witnessing to Jews. In his recent book, Never Again? The Threat of the New Anti-Semitism, he accused Christians who witnessed to Jews of being anti-Semitic. The New Testament, he rails, is a lying, hateful, hurtful book, ultimately responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews in World War II. (See, "ADL's Foxman: New Testament is Anti-Semitic")


Last December, in CBS' 48 Hours special, "The Mystery of Christmas," CBS dramatized the possibility that Christ was a bastard. (See, "More Christian Bashing from Media this Easter?")


This winter, NBC's Book of Daniel, authorized by Jeff Zukor, trashed Jesus and the Christian family. (See, "Who's Behind NBC's 'Book of Daniel'?")


Also this winter, Jewish activist Mikey Weinstein was successful in his suit against the Air Force Academy, banning chaplains there from using the name of Jesus in public prayers. He was assisted by Rabbi Arnold Resnicoff, highly placed ethical consultant to both the Navy and Air Force, in upholding such an end of free speech. (See, "Correction: Speech at Air Force Academy Not Free")
EVANGELICALS WON'T IDENTIFY THEIR ENEMY

One would think evangelical leaders, clearly under attack by Jewish activists in high places, would at least inform Christians of the identity of those who assail them and their Savior.

This is not the case. Evangelical and new-right leaders are silent concerning the Jewish origins of present attacks on free speech, Christian witnessing, the New Testament, and the integrity of Jesus Christ.

Why this incredible silence? Evangelicals won't identify their attackers as Jewish because of a centuries-old superstition. They believe a divine curse will fall on any person or nation who criticizes Jews. The Biblical promise to Abraham, "I will bless those that bless thee and I will curse them that curse thee," (Genesis 12:3) is taken to mean that no matter what evil or injustice Jews commit, Christians must only bless them, never criticize.

This is flatly contrary to Scripture.

The Bible teaches that godly reproof and warning are not curses but the greatest gifts that can be given to any sinner. Reproof brings with it the possibility of repentance, saving a soul from an eternity in hell!

It was with such a desire to bless Jews, that the Hebrew prophets, including Isaiah and John the Baptist, fiercely reproved the Jewish people and their leaders for sin. Does the Bible consider such fearless truth-telling to be anti-Semitic? Does it record terrible curses descending upon such prophets?

Quite the contrary, God's curses did descend on those false prophets who flattered the Jews, exactly as do modern-day evangelicals. In the time of Elijah, compromising prophets cooed unconditional blessings on Ahab and Jezebel. Today Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, and Hal Lindsey lavish blessings on the vilest of Jewish sinners including arrogant, violent men like Shamir, Begin and Sharon.

A CULT OF ISRAEL-WORSHIP

Christ's followers 2,000 years ago viewed His crucifixion from afar. They were impotent to restrain evil Jewish leaders who had Him killed. Today, evangelicals are paralyzed from really striking a blow against those who now publicly re-crucify the name and reputation of Jesus. Yes, they write letters and emails and perhaps boycott TV sponsors. Their intellectuals argue against the fallacies of the Da Vinci Code. But no one points a prophetic, bony finger at the Jewish media moguls, identifying their racial and religious origin. No one says like Nathan to the adulterous David, "You are the man!" (2 Sam. 12:7)

Incredibly as Jewish anti-Christ activism surrounds and overlays Christianity, the silence within the Church only becomes more deafening. About all that can be said then, is that when "Israel first" leaders and their flocks are at last herded into gulags to be slaughtered, few groups of people in history will have worked harder to ensure their own destruction.



http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/behinddavinci.html

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The big cover up...
by stоpwar on 28.05.2006 [11:41 ]    
that has been exposed in recent times is the warping of the teachings of Jesus and "Christians" throughout the ages to try to justify whichever political system was in vogue at the time. In the 19th century it was Capitalism. In the 17th Century, when the King James Bible was written, it was the feudal system.

Maybe Christianity had to accept this to survive. Jesus was clever enough to anticipate this: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". "Give unto Caeasar that which belongs to Ceasar" (ie money).

No point in bringing Jews into it. They are good at making money. Doesn't mean it is a conspiracy.


There IS a conspiracy, SW.
by wings on 28.05.2006 [16:43 ]    
We just don't understand all its aspects, nor will we ever, but its factors (through well preserved artifacts) have been with us from the begining of civilization. The Da Vinci Code only tries to prove secrets have been kept from the ordinary human being since Jesus time (and before). In my opinion, we should all do whatever we can to enlighten and "wake up" those who have been so detrimentally brainwashed.

The famous Italian banker, Roberto Calvi, knew more about the conspiracy than someone wanted him to know, that's why he was found hanging under the London bridge.
h ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3091635.stm

He controlled vast amounts of monies through his bank, for the Freemasons, the Mafia, and the Vatican. Which one of those three organizations are free from conspiracy? Which one of them killed Calvi? The case is being reopened today. Why?

It seems rather easy at times to put blame on the Jews, but it isn't the Jews per'se, it is the Zionist Jews who have planned globalism by writing the bible, making a savior for the New World believers. The hard headed Christians will not look passed having their "savior" tarnished. How dare anyone believe Jesus was a married man. That in itself would be blasphemy, however, more and more evidence is popping up that he was married and had at least one child, a daughter named Sara.

Why does this planet need a Savior to believe in? Aren't we all children of the Universe? Don't each of us have a brain of our own to conclude we have a personal journey thourgh this system called life and death? Why do we make it so hard?


It is true ...
by wings on 28.05.2006 [16:47 ]    
Hollywood is owned by Jews, and they also own the media, so quit going to movies, and throw out your tv if you don't want to follow the program. It gets worse. Mind control has been in existance far longer than any of us care to realize. Today, the mind control is a fine art. Microwaves can go through almost anything, and the mind control experimenting days are over.


Experimenting is over!
by wings on 28.05.2006 [16:49 ]    
ht tp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?co ... cleId=2398


Eyeopener: Why the Germans wanted the jews out of Germay
by Econ on 28.05.2006 [17:58 ]    
Americans are finally waking up to the threat the jew pose to their existence and they have begun to see why the Germans were desperate to get the jews out of Germany.

That desperation is finally reaching America, I hope it is not too late to save the republic.

Everything the jews do from secular humanism to their control of hollywood and the US media must now be examined for jewish treachery, and hatred before it is too late.

The book is a work of fiction, similar to Schindler's List that is a novel.

The movie, a blurring of jewish created fantasy and reality made up in hollywood is then treated as it though it is definitive for the functional illiterates in America.

Elise Wiesel's Night, a fraud that is riddled with inaccuracies and labeled a novel by the author himself is threated as though it is a non-fiction account rather yet another part of the jewish holocaust profiteering industry.

If the book is a piece of fiction, then the movie based on the book must be fact.

NORMAN FINKELSTEIN found that Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel",
Joan Peters, "From Time Immemorial", "The Painted Bird", by Polish emigre Jerzy Kosinsky and Binjamin Wilkomirski's "Fragments" were literary holocaust frauds.

Yet you can still find some of these works in American bookstores longer after they exposed as a clever jewish hoax or being made into movies.

That is how the jews in hollywood have managed to brain-wash the gullible and functional illiterates in America.


LOL

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I'm waiting for the REAL MOVIE on "SION"
by Crack_Smoke_Republican on 29.05.2006 [18:09 ]    
to come out of Hollywood based on the best selling book "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (Sion-Zion).

If the Da Vinci Code can make it to Film by Hollywood Jews then why the hell not the Yiddish-Talmudic version of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

They could show a Goy couple scampering around 19th century Europe looking for the original authors!!! Is it the Czarist Intelligence officers creating it for anti-semitic purposes? Or is it actually Jews!! as they whisper Yiddish in coffeehouses and concoct plans for destroying Western Christendom via Central Banking Schemes!

Oh my, that could be a real historical drama and not based on a best selling FICTIONAL work by French dramatists from the 1970s.

The Da Vinci Code is a fast and easy goy buck for Jewish Publishers.

Okay, Hollywood give us the "Protocols"!!!!! Now that would be a real Spielberg Movie.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This Video has some interersting analysis - the Speaker cites Nesta Webster frequently. Black Pope stuff mentioned so heads up :


The Secret Behind The Secret Societies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1NdVL74LEQ

[rmstock]

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. "
 George Orwell (real name : Eric Arthur Blair)

Well we know this guy was a piece of canaanite trash, but this quote
sells lots of T-shirts today. If one recollects that the Bible is a
book of truth, the circle is round. Many have been working overtime  
throughout all times of recorded history to vanish the bible from the
face of the earth. But it only got worse.  Find out how many bibles
exist today. It's damn difficult to wipe out writings which only
contain truth.

[mgt23]

http://www.talmud.faithweb.com/

[LordLindsey]

I am not religious, and while I was in SE Asia, I practiced Buddhism out-of-respect and adopted some of the customs because it was a sign of respect on my part the people around me.  There is nothing at all wrong with doing this because IF there is a "God" then all religions worship that same entity in one form or another.  The concept of only being "allowed into Heaven by accepting the ONE-TRUE CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD" is BULLSHIT--and you can QUOTE ME ON THAT.  I was never raised to be forced into ANY religion, and that is why I can see the truth for what it is today, thanks to my wonderful mother who wanted me to be able to make my OWN decisions instead of having them FORCED UPON ME AND HAVING ME BE BRAINWASHED TO LIES.

LINDSEY

[gurdgieff]

the bible, we have to live with it.the world is constructed around the bible.
lets take the goodness from it.The ten commandments .The words of jesus christ,The history,
jesus christ regardles of who he was, he was one of us. and the sanhedrin tortured and crucified him for saying what we are saying.
I dont know Who jesus christ was,Just some guy going around telling people to be nice to each other and do no harm.cause no suffering,be charitable I know the words he said and I Know who violantly oppossed him and crucified him.

jesus christ is the most succesfull "antisemite" whome ever lived.
he told you what the jews are.
If jesus christ is held up in such high regards for all those years even by muslims and ALL other religions held in such high regards then jesus is our teacher.
Who hates jesus. pope ratzinger was forbiden to wear his cross during visit to jerusalem..the necklase he wore had no jesus on it it was a protestant style he wore cross.'just a blank cross.

Our greatest weapon to use towards the jew is jesus christ.

[ehpg]

More than 30% of non-Asian Buddhists are Jews – and many have become leaders in the spiritual movement.

is that a coincidence? there was a mainstream movie about that as well "Jews and Buddhism: Belief Amended, Faith Revealed" is an Oscar-nominated documentary narrated by Sharon Stone that compiles interviews and archival footage of prominent Jewish, Buddhist, and Jewish-Buddhist personalities—including the Dalai Lama, David Ben Gurion, Allen Ginsberg, Rabbi Allen Lew, Sylvia Boorstein, and many others—to explore the new phenomenon of American Jews who have expanded their faith by drawing from Buddhist traditions.
[youtube:1bmdq4vr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b1S-vllG1I[/youtube]1bmdq4vr]

the following is from http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/snapshot01.htm [with my personal thoughts based on my basic and limited knowledge and understanding]

1. There is no almighty God in Buddhism. There is no one to hand out rewards or punishments on a supposedly Judgement Day. [no final judgment by God who will hold you accountable for your evil deeds = tolerance of evil]

2. Buddhism is strictly not a religion in the context of being a faith and worship owing allegiance to a supernatural being. [same goes for the church of Satan, it's more about ridicule and mockery of the God and his Law]

3. No saviour concept in Buddhism. A Buddha is not a saviour who saves others by his personal salvation. Although a Buddhist seeks refuge in the Buddha as his incomparable guide who indicates the path of purity, he makes no servile surrender. A Buddhist does not think that he can gain purity merely by seeking refuge in the Buddha or by mere faith in Him. It is not within the power of a Buddha to wash away the impurities of others [early Christians* did not believe in the divinity of Jesus either, but they still regarded him as a servant and messenger of god as the Quraan later affirmed this as well, also exempting those who were lead astray unknowingly]

4. A Buddha is not an incarnation of a god/God (as claimed by some Hindu followers). The relationship between a Buddha and his disciples and followers is that of a teacher and student. [Satan and those he lead astray]

5. The liberation of self is the responsibility of one's own self. Buddhism does not call for an unquestionable blind faith by all Buddhist followers. It places heavy emphasis on self-reliance, self discipline and individual striving. [no rules to govern society, and  man becoming a god, by rejecting the creator as God]

6. Taking refuge in The Triple Gems i.e. the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha; does not mean self-surrender or total reliance on an external force or third party for help or salvation. [very sad, again man is to be fooled into self-worship via the unholy trinity, and no higher intervention]

7. Dharma (the teachings in Buddhism) exists regardless whether there is a Buddha. Sakyamuni Buddha (as the historical Buddha) discovered and shared the teachings/ universal truths with all sentient beings. He is neither the creator of such teachings nor the prophet of an almighty God to transmit such teachings to others.[again the tolerance of evil and absence of God, sounds a lot like the teachings of Satan to me]

8. Especially emphasized in Mahayana Buddhism, all sentient beings have Buddha Nature/ Essence. One can become a Buddha (a supreme enlightened being) in due course if one practises diligently and attains purity of mind (ie absolutely no delusions or afflictions).[man becoming a god]

9. In Buddhism, the ultimate objective of followers/practitioners is enlightenment and/or liberation from Samsara; rather than to go to a Heaven (or a deva realm in the context of Buddhist cosmology). [Satan and his temptation of making us gods through what he calls enlightenment, leading us away from God's light and his message which benefit all mankind]

10. Karma and Karma Force are cornerstones in Buddhist doctrines. They are expounded very thoroughly in Buddhism. Karma refers to an important metaphysical concept concerned with action and its consequences. This law of karma explains the problem of sufferings, the mystery of the so-called fate and predestination of some religions, and above all the apparent inequality of mankind. [the lack of collective action against overt evil as a society, Do what thou wilst with no social repercussions = tolerance of evil]

11. Rebirth is another key doctrine in Buddhism and it goes hand in hand with karma. There is a subtle difference between rebirth and reincarnation as expounded in Hinduism. Buddhism rejects the theory of a transmigrating permanent soul, whether created by a god or emanating from a divine essence. [with a doctrine of unlimited second chances who needs saving = tolerance of evil]

12. Maitri or Metta in Pali (Loving Kindness) and Karuna (Compassion) to all living beings including animals. Buddhism strictly forbids animal sacrifice for whatever reason. Vegetarianism is recommended but not compulsory. [this does appear to be a good thing on the surface but in fact is more of Satan's teachings since it defies God's Law and Logic (as the Human body needs fish, dairy and meat as well as Vegetables, fruits, nuts, spices, etc..) ]

13. The importance of Non-attachment. Buddhism goes beyond doing good and being good. One must not be attached to good deeds or the idea of doing good; otherwise it is just another form of craving. [promotion/tolerance of evil]

14. In Buddhism, there is consideration for all sentient beings (versus human beings, as in other religions). Buddhists acknowledge/accept the existence of animals and beings in other realms in Samsara. [man is now a beast in nature and must evolve to status of god through enlightenment]

15. No holy war concept in Buddhism. Killing is breaking a key moral precept in Buddhism. One is strictly forbidden to kill another person in the name of religion, a religious leader or whatsoever religious pretext or worldly excuse.[no emphasis on stopping the unjust death of another human either (this is the kind of law that would protect a self-admitted murderer from any judgment by society)  = more tolerance of evil. God never instructed man to fight holy wars. just fight evil, which is harmful to all mankind, and never be the aggressor]

16. Suffering is another cornerstone in Buddhism. It is the first of the Four Noble Truths. Sufferings are very well analysed and explained in Buddhism.[there is no use stopping the suffering of yourself and others so why bother = more tolerance of evil, or maybe it is to prepare his followers for what awaits them in Hell]

17. The idea of sin or original sin has no place in Buddhism. Also, sin should not be equated to suffering.[no comment here]

18. Buddhist teachings expound no beginning and no end to one's existence or life. There is virtually no recognition of a first cause — e.g. how does human existence first come about? [More Satanic deception and diversion leading to the self-deification of man]

19. The Dharma provides a very detailed explanation of the doctrine of anatman {anatta in Pali} or soullessness , i.e. there is no soul entity (whether in one life of many lives). [very sad, to think you have no sole (no essence, meaningless) and notice the emphasis on the individual and that you are alone, as opposed to the focus on the family as it is the stitch in the fabric of society in all of god's books(bible & quraan)]

20. The Buddha is omniscient but he is not omnipotent. He is capable of innumerable feats but there are three things he cannot do. Also, a Buddha does not claim to be a creator of lives or the Universe. [kinda like what Satan claims]

21. Prajna [Panna in Pali] or Transcendent Wisdom occupies a paramount position in Buddhist teachings. Sakyamuni Buddha expounded Prajna concepts for some 20 years of his ministry. One is taught to balance compassion with prajna i.e.emotion (faith) with rationale (right understanding / truth / logic). [again could be referring to his time in the garden, before his rebellion]

22. The tradition and practice of meditation in Buddhism are relatively important and strong. While all religions teach some forms or variations of stabilising/single-pointedness meditation, only Buddhism emphazises Vipassana (Insight) meditation as a powerful tool to assist one in seeking liberation/enlightenment. [meditation/payer absent of God is ultimately worship to Satan's doctrine]

23. The doctrine of Sunyata or Emptiness is unique to Buddhism and its many aspects are well expounded in advanced Buddhist teachings. Briefly, this doctrine asserts the transcendental nature of Ultimate Reality. It declares the phenomenal world to be void of all limitations of particularization and that all concepts of dualism are abolished. [in other words, Do what thou wilst]

24. Conditioned Arising [Paticcasamuppada in Pali] or Dependent Origination is another key doctrine in Buddhism. This doctrine explains that all psychological and physical phenomena constituting individual existence are interdependent and mutually condition each other; this at the same time describes what entangles sentient beings in samsara. [more man is beast and worship of nature mambo jumbo]

25. The concept of Hell(s) in Buddhism is very different from that of other religions. It is not a place for eternal damnation as viewed by 'almighty creator' religions. In Buddhism, it is just one of the six realms in Samsara [i.e. the worst of three undesirable realms]. Also, there are virtually unlimited number of hells in the Buddhist cosmology as there are infinite number of Buddha worlds.[distorted view, which again sounds very much like Satan's work]

26. The Buddhist cosmology (or universe) is distinctly different from that of other religions which usually recognise only this solar system (Earth) as the centre of the Universe and the only planet with living beings. The Buddhist viewpoint of a Buddha world (also known as Three Thousand-Fold World System) is that of one billion solar systems. Besides, the Mahayana Buddhist doctrines expound that there are other contemporary Buddha worlds like Amitabha's Pure Land and Bhaisajyaguru's world system.[more distortions of God's word and leads man to think that we are not unique creations]

27. Samsara is a fundamental concept in Buddhism and it is simply the 'perpetual cycles of existence' or endless rounds of rebirth among the six realms of existence. This cyclical rebirth pattern will only end when a sentient being attains Nirvana, i.e. virtual exhaustion of karma, habitual traces, defilements and delusions. All other religions preach one heaven, one earth and one hell, but this perspective is very limited compared with Buddhist samsara where heaven is just one of the six realms of existence and it has 28 levels/planes. [how convenient that you will get endless second chances]

*Early Christian Heresies
By Joan O'Grady
Published by Barnes & Noble Books, 1995
ISBN 1566195608, 9781566195607
166 pages

I would like to add that this is not  an attack on Buddhists, but my comments on an Ideology which is very tolerant of evil. God's Books, all strongly oppose sin and evil in all it's forms. GREAT ETERNAL punishment awaits those who do intentional evil, with no exceptions/loopholes, but God is to judge what is in one's heart. For society God emphasizes the importance of the collective fighting of sin and evil, starting with the family. Family values emphasized in the Bible and Quraan are in essence the key to the perfect society, because they are beneficial to man kind. Anarchism or the sole reliance on individual self-governance alone is a flawed concept from a sociological point of view, and it is in my opinion is a founding concept in Buddhism and Talmudic Judaism. my very simple and limited (still growing) understanding of God an his law is to collectively as a society fight and punish sin, evil and injustice in all it's overt forms (e.g. public crimes with eyewitnesses) and beware of evil in all it's covert methods and forms.

here are some important quotes I think you should look at:
The book of "Matthew"  10:16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents, and as innocent as doves.

The Hadeeth of the Strong Believer "The strong believer is better and more beloved to Allaah than the weak believer, while there is good in both. Guard over that which benefits you, seek Allaah's Assistance, wa laa ta'jiz (don't lend yourself to things devoid of benefit, and this could carry many meanings), and if something befalls you, then don't say 'If I only would have done such and such,' rather say, 'Qaddarallaahu wa maa shaa' fa'al' (Allaah ordained (this) and He does what He wills), for verily the phrase 'If I would have' makes way for the work of Shaytaan.(Satan)"

"Translation of Suraht Al-Baqara" 2:136    Say ye: "We believe, in God(Allah) and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma`il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to God(Allah) in submission(in Islam)."

"Translation of Suraht Al-Baqara" 2:275 Those who devour usury will not stand except as stands one whom Satan by his touch hath driven to madness. That is because they say: "Trade is like usury", but Allah hath permitted trade and forbidden usury. Those who after receiving direction from their Lord, desist, shall be pardoned for the past; their case is for Allah (to judge); but those who repeat (the offence) are companions of the Fire(hell): they will abide therein (for ever).

[mgt23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

http://www.subgenius.com/ts/hos.html

normal religions will be evolved out and replaced with others, if only we survive long enough(which at this rate we wont).

this world is defo getting weirder

RAW happens to be a member as is rudy rucker(which i didnt know and he wrote an amazing book called Infinity and the Mind)
Rudy Rucker is very important for understanding tipler and Omega.

If you can work out Agnostic Logical Positivism then you'll why this is balls and cointel.

well put together tho

[gurdgieff]

the bible is not repulsive.the bible is the foundation of our fight against jewish supremacism.
we must know the bible.to know our enemy.
you can read king james bible for a laugh.but there are better bibles than the king james bible.
Jesus was the first to attack these people so I will respect that man.and they crucified him.
jesus loves us and we love the words of jesus.

[mgt23]

the bible is not repulsive.the bible is the foundation of our fight against jewish supremacism.

that is a ridiculous statement. this thread is about providing material to support ones position(we all know our individual positions-even ehpg got it and started to provide material and i went and bought the bible is history as a result and will report back when i have finished it)
The foundation of our survival is not the bible, but a common humanity between all homo sapien that zionism intends on enslaving/killing all of us-as a result people of all denominations can rally against the common enemy.

we must know the bible.to know our enemy.

wrong again if anything its the talmud and the zohar, which advocate jewish supremicism and in my shows i have pushed evidence to support this.

Jesus was the first to attack these people so I will respect that man.

assuming he was historically real(imo he wasnt), i too would respect him, however there is no scientific evidence to support he was divine so why should you?

and they crucified him.

again an unsupported supposition, not thayt i agree with the fact he was real but they are other POV that say he wasnt and dissappeared off to kashmir.

jesus loves us

he's dead and inanimate dead person cannot love anyone

and we love the words of jesus.

.....some of the words, except the gouging out ones eyes bit(see previous post)

in case you wondering as to why this thread is tolerated-imho it is because the infounderground is not just the fight against zionism althrough that is 99% of the game it is a quest for the suppressed truth of humanity "truth honour fortitude resolve"

unsupported religion is against critical thinking and produces drones mainly tho not all. george gordon is an example of someone i can respect as he debates, there are other televangelists i could mention selling over 55 million books who dont.

so in conclusion and with the utmost of respect could you not only state your position but back it up with supporting scientific/logical evidence.

[GordZilla]

Jesus was the first to attack these people so I will respect that man.

assuming he was historically real(imo he wasnt), i too would respect him, however there is no scientific evidence to support he was divine so why should you?

There's no scientific evidence for physical species evolution either so why should one believe in it? – Same logic being used here Steve and the "fruit fly" example only proves mutation not evolution, nor does  the 'human advancement ' example prove species evolution. ( if you have some evidence Steve get it out there , the Zionist would be lining up in droves to had you the peace prize for proving this theory to be fact)


If that book was a mere 300 years old its foresight and human understanding of the Jew is still beyond comparison, I've made this point again and again to deaf ears.  (and you yourself commented on how the book of Revelations was 'interesting' on I  believe the John Stadmiller[sp?] show  -  geez the use of the  word 'interesting' is such an understatement here ) You have to explain how that book contains more insight into the Jew and from a time far before any of us had a clue.  In fairness far before Shakespeare had a clue , and still- hands down -it's a better reference to the Jew and what he's capable of and what he will do than The Merchant of Venice could ever be.

It is our best weapon which is precisely why it's always their first target (and why evolution is pushed to the forefront at every turn). Frankly it's bloody obvious where the name Israel came from, it's obvious to anyone who can see thru the 'hatred of all things God' programming we all went thru in the western world (most never recover, and thru pride and arrogance they always vainly search for the answers elsewhere)

The collective faith in God is the ONLY  thing that has every brought these Talmudic Jews to justice.  109 times by countries and regions where monolithic faith was practiced is where we seen the Talmudic Jew expelled. Why? Because when you practice the Word as best you can and your neighbors do as well, well the Jew becomes like a cockroach in the light. When he can no longer practice his crimes in the open, he shows up well. The Jews solution; remove God and no one will have any reason to see their perversions as wrong, no one will see usury as wrong for example (and one of many) .

This is why today, the countries that Israel has the most problems with are Muslim countries, they are the last true holdouts of true faith, not the Christian-Zio type we have here, but real God fearing faith.  One problem the Jew instantly has with these people is they still do not practice usury or allow for it. Find that majority sentiment  in North America.

You can think what you like Steve, but I assure you to discount God in this is about the most foolish thing one could do. Religion, yes it's a fraud but God? I don't think so my friend.

Some other myths that need to be dispelled right here;

 -Jesus was not a Jew ( the word didn't exist in his time, and wasn't in exsitence until after His death. – he was sarcastically labeled 'the King of the Judeans' which has been mistranslated by , you guessed it, Jews. Today it remains one of their best weapons against us, to falsely point out Jesus was a Jew)

-The Bible was not written by Jews, nor Pharisees, nor Scribes.  ( the mere fact the Bible contains so much insight into the Jew and their nature,  their evils, and their evils to come should be enough to show this statement to be true. However adding  in the relentless onslaught throughout history of the Jews attacking the Bible and particularly Jesus should also help illustrate this point.  The foresight in it, once again, should also help illustrate these where no human writings to begin with, Nostradamus couldn't have been so accurate, and again we're talking hundreds of years before him.)

I wasn't born and bred a religious man, I was as agnostic as you are now, but when I first started looking into this conspiracy, around 1993, the more I realized it smacked of God. It's fricken obvious, which is why you cutting apart gurdgieff comments the way you did really gets my goat. You are still very blind to what we have infront of us, yet you want to remove this speck from his eye?  What they are a race? What they don't collectively hate Jesus? What their crimes- past present and future -are not written in that book? What we all evolved from monkeys, however they just ate the wrong types of food?  For 1500 years the Bible was the only 'Information underground forum' to find anything that will help you recognize and defend yourself against our shared enemy.  

 The only problem many people have with seeing the logic above is the fact today's 'religious' in the western world countries are in fact brainwashed. It is a valid concern, but this is why I always point out that we need to revert back to the 'God fearing' types of religious people, who take ONLY their book at it's word, not what some preacher tries to sell them.  These are the only people in history to ever have bested the Talmudic Jew ... ah but let's not try their methods, we can beat them with science. :lol:

Once again, If a nation practices the Bible from it's words, and learns of the Jews and why what they do is wrong, where prey tell would a Jew find solace to practice his crimes in that said nation?

 Ah forget it Steve, I will just keep believing in my fairy tale with all its evidence unfolding right before our eyes, and you can go on believing in your science-driven fairy tale with none.

-Gord

"Wisdom begins at the fear of God"

[ehpg]

Scientific Proof for God

The more we advance on the road to science in all directions, micro and macro, the arguments in favor of an intelligent creator become more and more eloquent. In the face of such facts the least one can do is acknowledge the Creator. Deliberate attempts not to is evidently dishonesty. With this thought in mind, I invite you all to examine the contents of this page.

This paper DOES NOT present in any way the Christian Creationists position on humankind's origin.


The Cause:

The Universe consists of billions of galaxies and each galaxy has a vast number of stars. To study a galaxy, scientists record light from it on a strip of film. If the galaxy is moving away from our galaxy, the lines on the spectrum will be towards the red end of the film, this is called red shift. By this mechanism scientists conclude that with the exception of a few nearby galaxies, all the galaxies are moving away from us, and the further away they are the faster they are moving away.

The Universe's expansion, discussed above began with an explosive, called the "Big Bang". In 1965 a type of radiation called the "Cosmic Background Radiation" was discovered (also called the microwave background radiation) by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson. All regions of the sky send the same amount of this radiation to the earth.

This was the breakthrough for the Big Bang theory. Long before 1965, it had been predicted by scientists that we should be able to find energy remaining from the Big Bang. They had now factually confirmed the faint remnant of the energy produced during the explosive birth of the universe. This radiation has a temperature of 3K (therefore it is also called 3K radiation) and it is very close to the value predicted by scientists before it was discovered.

This radiation is much different to the radiation coming from a particular portion of the universe since it cannot be increased or decreased by pointing an antenna and is uniform from all locations to the earth.

In 1948, the "steady state theory" was advanced which now has no followers and which was completely knocked out by the above discovery of 3K radiation. Scientists today accept the Big Bang theory as being the most reliable with the most evidence to back it up. However they do not know what CAUSED the Big Bang. The standard Big Bang theory does not explain what caused the Big Bang.

"Do not the unbelievers see that the skies and the earth were one unit (joined together), then we split them apart..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 21, Verse 30

Big Bang impossible without God:

To clarify some terms: If it is said that the universe is OPEN, it means it will expand forever. If it is said that it is closed, it will not expand forever. Whether a universe will expand, depends on if its average density is less than or equal to its critical density.

Our universe at present according to estimates has less than 20% of the density of matter to stop it from expanding. For all intents and purposes it will continue to expand.

The universe is not beginning-less. It was "born" out of the Big Bang and had a beginning. Some people maintain the unscientific idea that the universe is beginning-less. This has been proven wrong according to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. In a closed system (by closed here we mean one which does not take energy from the outside- this is different to the closed definition given above), entropy (a measure of the degree to which a systems energy is unavailable to perform useful work) increases with time. To restate this:

"In a system which doesn't take energy from the outside (like our universe), entropy increases with time."

If the universe had existed forever, we would see maximum entropy which we do not see at all, something referred to as the fate of excessive expansion.

The Dark Night Sky Paradox:

If the universe is infinite in spatial extent then light from infinite number of stars would always be pouring down on the earth from the skies. A simple mathematical calculation would show that the sky would never be dark under such circumstances. The paradox can ONLY be solved if we assume a finite age of the universe (a beginning). In such a case which corresponds to reality, we are only able to see the light which has had time to travel across space to earth since the beginning of the particular star from which it comes (Davies, 46).

God needed for the Big Bang:

1. The Flatness Problem in Cosmology:[/size]

The actual density of the universe is average amount of matter or mass-energy per unit of space. If the universe's actual density is greater than a particular critical density then the universe will eventually stop expanding. Since after more than 10 billion years of expanding, the universes actual density is pretty close to its critical density, scientists conclude that at the time of the Big Bang, these two figures must have been very close to each other.

They do not know why this was so. If it had not been so, and the actual density differed from the critical by even a tiny amount, either way, our universe would have ceased to exist after only a few million years. This is termed as the flatness problem. They do not know why both the figures were where they were supposed to be to make our universe still exist after 10 billion years.

"And the sky, we built it with might and we cause the expansion of it." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 51, Verse 47

If the universe had been expanding too rapidly, the clouds that formed the galaxies would have been spread thin and pulled apart before gravity could dominate..... On the other hand if the universe had started out expanding too slowly, it would have come to a halt and started to recollapse with galaxies falling towards each other. (Gribbins, Rees 17)

If we push back to the earliest time at which our theories of physics can be thought to have any validity, the implication is that the "density-parameter" was SET in the beginning, with an accuracy of 1 part in 10 60 (10 followed by 60 zeroes). Changing the parameter, either way, by a fraction given by a decimal point followed by sixty zeroes and a 1 (0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001) would have made the universe unsuitable for life as we know it. (Gribbens, Rees 18)

2. The Horizon or the Isotropy Problem:

At around 300,00 years after the Big Bang, all parts of the universe even separated by more than 20 times the horizon distance, and expanding in opposite directions, in causally disconnected regions (i.e. no cause or physical effect could pass from one region to the other), began to expand with the same expansion rate and temperature.

No natural explanation exists to explain how a chaotic explosion, the Big Bang resulted in a uniform expansion pattern among causally disconnected regions, expanding in opposite directions.

Calculations indicate that when the universe was a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth second old, it consisted of 10 80 causally disconnected regions, and no physical effect could have traveled from one region to another and yet 300,000 years after, cosmic background radiation proves that they all started expanding with the same expansion rate and the same temperature.

"... And He (God) inspired in all the heavens their mandate." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41, Verse 12

"And He (God) raised the sky and set the balance." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 55, Verse 7

In a rapidly expanding universe, where matter is uniformly distributed how do galaxies form?

Calculations by cosmologists indicate that matter in the early universe was uniformly distributed and hence gravitational contractions (contraction is opposite of expansion) in an expanding universe could not have taken place due to natural circumstances unless some special features were built into they system about one second after the big bang by intelligence.

If the Big Bang was a chance event what we would see would be a disorderly arrangement of matter with no galaxies and no order. Things were controlled by an intelligent designer

".....and we decked the skies of the world with lamps.... such is the measuring of the Mighty (God), the Knower." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41, Verse 12

Einstein's General Theory of Relativity leads scientists to conclude that in its earliest instant, the universe was infinitely dense where its diameter was zero, i.e. nothing, yes NOTHING. God creates out of nothing just like the Qur'an suggests.

Are there natural and sufficient reasons for all of the universes physical characteristics?

There can be natural and sufficient reasons for some physical characteristics of the universe but not all. Without suitable constants, life as we know it wouldn't have existed and there would be no one to wonder about the cosmos.

Consider this analogy by a Canadian philosopher, John Leslie, suppose you are facing execution by a fifty man firing squad. The bullets are fired and you find that all have missed their target. Had they not done so you would not have survived to ponder the matter. But realizing that you are alive, you would legitimately be perplexed and wonder why (Gribbens, Rees 271).

1. The law of conservation of mass and energy:

The mass-energy in the universe neither increases or decreases. Therefore the total amount of mass-energy in the universe has been the same and will remain the same. If someone were to figure out the mass-energy total in the universe and give it a figure say X, no natural explanation can exist on why it is X and not X+100 or X-100 and so on.

2. The Constants:

There are no natural and sufficient reasons why all of the universes constants have the values they have. If they had different values, life would cease to exist. However they have the values they have regardless of any physical necessity if we take God out of the picture. Examples like, the Planck's constant, the speed of light, the electron charge, the gravitational constant. These constants with the exception of the gravitational constant have not varied more than one percent since the start of the universe and are same throughout. The gravitational constant has varied around ten percent.

It should be noted at this point that these constants have been there since the beginning of the universe, a time before life appeared. These and other strange laws of nature defy any natural and sufficient reasons for their existence, the only valid explanation left is that they were set by an intelligent designer:

"... the measuring of the Mighty (God), the Knower." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41, Verse 12

According to the principle of sufficient reason stated by G.W. Leibniz, "No fact can be real or existing and no statement true unless there is a SUFFICIENT reason why anything is the way it is and not otherwise."

Whereas scientists face an enigma here which threatens the edifice of their work, the followers of the Qur'an face no such enigma at all. God is the sufficient reason.

The cause of the constants:

"To Him submits whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth.." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 83

Suitable Constants:

i) ALL protons in the universe have a positive charge of 1.6 * 10 -19 coulomb. This causes the various protons in the atoms to repel one another, but at the same time they stay together since the attraction is 100 times stronger than the repulsion.

Now the proton has a mass that is 1836 times that of an electron. YET for some mysterious reason the charge on the electron is the same as the proton, 1.6 * 10 -19 coulomb. Suppose the proton had a lesser charge than what it actually does, there is no reason why it shouldn't have, there is no natural explanation on why it does, then the attraction between protons would be much more than we see with present figures and they would collide more.

This, scientists say would lead to the stars using up their thermo-nuclear fuel in their cores much faster and dying out in about 100 million years. On our planet it too about 3 billion years for life to appear. If the lives of stars were 100 million years then life could exist nowhere on the universe. An intelligent designer put the figures where they were supposed to be, at 1.6 * 10 -19.

ii) The Strong Force: The neutrons and protons in the nucleus of the atoms are referred to as nucleons, since they exist in the nucleus. If the neutrons and the protons are separated by more than a hundred billionth of a centimeter there is no mutual attraction between them. However when separated by a distance of less than ten trillionth of a centimeter, the feel a strong force of attraction. This is termed as a Strong Force or Strong Nuclear Force.

Scientists calculate that during the first few minutes after the expansion began, roughly 25% of the hydrogen in the universe was converted to helium. Scientists say that if the strong force had been any more intense (which requires a shift in a trillionth of a centimeter or less), all of the universe's hydrogen would have been converted to helium. In such a case life would never exist for

3 reasons:

i) No water without hydrogen.

ii) Hydrogen is necessary for proteins and nucleic acids needed for life.

iii) Stars that have only helium are extremely short lived and could never reach the three billion years figure that our system took for life to appear.

What if the strong force were a little weaker by a trillionth of a centimeter or less, things just wouldn't exist as the protons could not stay together in the cores of atoms. It is an acknowledged fact that if the Strong force was not between 0.1 f and 2 f (where f is the strong force constant) life would not exist and nor would any order like we see it.

The difference between the two figures is less than microscopic and there is no explanation on why the numbers were where they were. That happening by chance is by itself, other things being constant, one in one million. When you take into account all the other constants, the figure gets so small that to believe that life originated without an intelligent designer becomes more absurd than a myth.

The law of conservation of mass and energy discussed earlier makes it impossible to attribute a natural cause to the start of the universe. The energy had to come from somewhere. The energy whose radiation we still receive was provided by God.

"...whenever he decrees a matter, he says be and it is. The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verse 117."

After exhausting all the other alternatives, the only hypothesis that is supported by facts is that God created the heavens and the earth.

At Planck time (which is 10 -43 seconds) which was a microscopic fraction of the first second after the universe began to expand, all the matter that we observe in the universe was less than a tenth of a millimeter across in volume.

According to the black hole theory, the gravity of this singularity would be so massive that apart from a faint type of quantum radiation nothing at all could escape from it. Astronomers know that no natural cause could have caused the explosion of energy given the gravity of the singularity. No known natural force could have overcome even a tenth of the gravity of the singularity at the time of the big bang.

"....and we split them apart." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 21, Verse 30

Consider this law in science: Occam's Razor: "When giving explanations, it is better to give a simpler explanation that assumes the existence of fewer unproved things."

Apart from providing even more credibility to what we've established above this idea throws more light on:

i) Why there is just one God and not gods given the organization and the uniformity in the universe. The fundamental postulate of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity state this unity of law phenomena in nature. Consider what the Qur'an says in Chapter 21, Verse 22

ii) If there were more than one God then different parts of the universe would not have worked with such uniformity as they did and as is always the case (when two or more create something), parts of the matter in the universe would have originated at different times. Yet scientists and laws are agreed on that the Big Bang was when all energy and matter originated in the universe. The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 29, Verse 31 should throw light on this.

The Planck Constant:

The Planck Constant is fixed at 6.6 * 10 -23 erg per second. It is a figure that shows up in all major equations used by nuclear physicists. The energy used by anything is always some multiple of Planck's constant. There is no natural reason why the Planck's constant is where it is, it could be a lot higher or a lot lower, but it has been balanced at this level without any natural reason.

The PC (Planck's constant) appears in an important formula used to determine the "Fine structure Constant." The formula is (e 2 / h * c) where "e" is the electron charge, "h" is the PC and "c" is the speed of light.

If the Planck's constant had been greater by just 0.00000001, all the stars in our system would be red. If it was lower by just 0.00000001 all the stars in our system would be blue.

The problem with red stars is that they never erupt as supernova and if there are no supernova there are no higher level elements which are necessary for life. If there were no supernova, there would be no Carbon to start carbon-based life like us.

Blue stars on the other hand burn only for a short time, i.e. around 150 million years. However it took nearly 3 billion years or more for life to emerge on earth. 150 million just wouldn't cut it. The constant was set by the designer to make sure that life emerges when and where He decided.

The Speed of Light

The speed of light is set at 3 * 108 meters per second. It is an important constant which figures in Einstein's

Famous formula E=m*c2.

"E" is the energy produced when matter is converted to energy in thermonuclear reactions in stars. If the speed of light had been just a tiny fraction higher (and there is no natural reason why it isn't) then thermonuclear reactions would produce over 10,000 times more energy and all the fuel in the star core would be used up much quicker. Stars would die out much sooner than the 3 billion years it took for life to emerge on earth. Hence life would never have happened.

On the other hand if it was just a little tiny fraction lower, the early universe expansion would have been much slower and long ago the universe would have suffered a gravitational collapse. So both ways there would be no life. The constant was set by an intelligent designer who had life as the goal.

Neutron Mass

Neutrons have a constant mass of 1.67 * 10 -24 grams. When outside an atom a neutron is very unstable and quickly decays into a proton and electron. Inside the nucleus it is stable and doesn't decay. Suppose that the mass of the neutron was 2% greater than what it is now (and why shouldn't it have been?) neutrons would rapidly decay and an atom would become unstable. As a fact, no higher elements would exist which are necessary for life. The only element in the entire universe would be hydrogen.

On the other hand, if the neutron had a mass less than its current mass by a tiny fraction, the protons would become unstable this is because now the protons would have a higher mass than neutrons in the nucleus and they would decay into neutrons or positive positrons or pions. According to physicists, if the neutron mass was 0.998 of its present mass, the decay of protons would make the existence of atoms impossible. There would be no life. The designer had life in mind when He set the balance.

"...He (God) has set the balance." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 55, Verse 7

Donald Page of the Princeton Institute of Advanced Study has calculated the odds against the formation of our universe without God putting in the necessary constants. And the figure comes out to be one out of 10,000,000 124. To see how impossible it is compare this number to the total amount of subatomic particles in the whole universe which has been calculated to be 10 80.
Beginning-less is illogical, philosophically speaking:

If the universe was not created then it must have existed for an infinite time in the past. However, we being in the present makes such a statement preposterous. It is not possible to cross an actual infinity. No matter how much you count or how much time passes, there would still be more to count or more time to pass. This is what the definition of actual infinity is.

It is non-finite it has no room for growth. If the past were infinite, then to get to the present moment, we would have had to cross an actual infinite. In the language of math and logic this is gibberish. It is just like saying that you can jump out of a bottomless pit. This concept throws light on the attributes of God, the creator also. The one who started this himself must have had to be logically speaking, timeless and unchanging.

DNA: Mark of the Creator

Some atheist scientists who were unaware of the wonderful program, the complex mechanism of RNA and DNA were of the "out-moded" opinion that due to favorable physical influences, chemical compounds were able to spontaneously combine in an organized fashion and hence, were by magic, able to produce the fantastic complex which we call a cell, and then even more fantastic complexes like rudimentary living organism.

Wow, given that all their intelligence and directed efforts to date have been unable to form one single living cell in the laboratory, shows how much credibility we need to give to this fairy tale.

Indeed for the smallest macromolecules of a cell to form as a result of repeated attempts, such enormous quantities of matter would have been processed that they would have filled colossal masses on the scale comparable to the volume of the earth itself. Contrary to this we see beauty and harmony in nature and variety of all created things. Chance is totally inconceivable.

Oparine a modern Russian biologist, who is a well known materialist, rejects outright the theory of chance in the formation of life. An article:"The current state of the problem of the origin of life and its future perspectives," states from him, "The entire network of perpetual preservation and reproduction of the totality of conditions set by the external environment. This highly organized orientation characteristic of life cannot be the result of chance."

The statement atheists make is tantamount to saying, and note this, "Iron ore and coal at high temperatures spontaneously formed steel particles and then those steel articles without any intelligence involved by magic formed the Eiffel Tower and other structures."

This statement sounds stupid, but saying that a cell formed by itself is even more stupid because a cell is MUCH MORE complex than any steel structure that human **INTELLIGENCE** (not chance) has built.

In his book, The Origin of Life, Oparine draws particularly relevant comparisons to convince the lay man of the illogicality of theories pointing towards chance.

In 1954, he wrote: "It is as if one jumbled together the printing blocks representing the twenty-eight letters of the alphabet, in hope that by CHANCE, they will fall into a pattern of a poem that we know. Only through knowledge and careful arrangement of the letters and words in the poem however, can we produce the poem from the letters (page 52)."

Each cell in the human body has a "program" analogous to a computer program written down, so well organized and regulated so as to function properly, the slightest malfunction leads to deformities and monstrous growths [cancer is the case in point]. Each cell functions like a computer, programmed to perform specific functions. It is common knowledge that a computer will only function if it has been programmed.

Without programming you would never see what you see on this page. A fact that implies the existence of a programming intellect, that provides the information necessary to operate the system. The programming intellect for the billions of living cells, unvarying and uniform in his essence of programming is the One God.

He (Moses) said (to pharaoh), "Our Lord is He who gave to everything its creation, moreover GUIDED it." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 20, Verse 5

There is a genuine enigma among the community of biologists: The origin of the genetic code and how it increases in information which leads to more and more complex structures. The only valid explanation given the intelligent nature of the messages contained in the DNA is that an intelligent designer was involved. We call him Allah, the God.

The Enigma of Life's Origin

The break between the living and non-living is the most fundamental of all discontinuities seen in nature. Natural Selection failed to explain this discontinuity, just as it failed to explain the discontinuity between species which biochemistry made clear.

The "soup-theory" mentioned briefly above is the most in thing among all the theories of the origin of life in the scientific community. However, it poses many questions and big problems and hence just like the pre-Miller time, it still remains an enigma.

i)The "dawn-rocks" of Western Greenland, the earliest dated rocks on earth, considered to be about 3900 Million years old (dating from about 400 million years after the formation of the earth) don't show any trace of abiotically produced organic compounds. Sediments from various parts of the earth dated between 3900 and 3500 million years old also show no signs of any abiotically produced organic compounds. Like is the usual case with evolutionary theory by Natural selection, paleontology doesn't support it.

ii) In the Presence of oxygen, any organic compounds formed on the early earth would be rapidly oxidized and degraded. It is for this reason that advocates of the "soup" theory suggest (without any geo-chemical evidence to support what they are conjecturing) an early earth without oxygen. Only such an atmosphere would protect the compounds which would then collect as the "soup".

However this poses further problems. Without oxygen, there is no ozone layer in the upper atmosphere, which protects the earth from a lethal dose of ultra-violet radiation. In such a scenario, any organic compounds formed would break down in an instant. The empirical absence of organic compounds in Martina soil proves this. The late Carl Sagan recognized this when he stated that in the absence of oxygen, a lethal dose of ultraviolet radiation would reach the earth in 0.3 seconds.

iii) The presence of water inhibits amino acids from joining together to form proteins, since amino acids dissolve readily in water. To overcome this however our ingenious atheist scientists have tried to "invent" another scenario. Sidney Fox says that the amino acids got washed to a hot pan like land. However experiments have shown that heating amino acids gives no proteins but a dark tar.

However they did some other manipulations by mixing and matching one part of three different amino acids to a beaker of purified amino acids they managed some joining among them. However, that didn't yield any proteins but a chemically different product which is now called proteinoid. The scientific community has thrown this theory out the door. One of the strongest critics of this theory was Stanley Miller.

Hoyle and his colleague Wickramasinge calculated the odds of the random formation of a single enzyme from amino acids anywhere on the early earth's surface as being 1 in 10 20 ( add 20 zeros after 10 to appreciated how impossible it is to get one enzyme anywhere on this earth from amino acids given the soup).

But wait there are not only one but two thousand enzymes, so the chance of obtaining all of these randomly would be 1 in (10 20) 2000. The number is so small that it cannot be distinguished from zero. It could never have happened even if the whole universe was soup.
Perverted Standards:

The human eye cannot see x-rays, electricity, magnetic fields etc, yet no man of science would dispute with their existence based on fact and proof. Yet with just as much or more proof on God being the creator, the same scientist makes the excuse," We cannot see him."

If today we were to receive even one intelligent message from space, scientists as a whole after confirmation would conclude that yes, intelligent life in space has been confirmed. Yet when millions of intelligent messages are found in our DNA, the same scientists don't even look at it in consideration of an intelligent creator. Perverted standards.

The fact is that the world owes its being to something other than itself. The laws of nature did not create the Universe since they cease to exist at the earliest point in creation. The laws of mechanics did not originate the laws of mechanics because when the universe was a singularity, they did not exist.

The laws of evolution don't come about through the laws of evolution because in order to work they require a pre-existing order and pre-existing entities governed by that order.

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- Muhammad A Asadi.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

As far as I'm concerned a creator(God) can never be proven or disproven. If you say God created the big bang, than one must ask what created god? Nobody could ever possibly answer this, it's impossible, there simply is no answer. Same thing without god, one must ask what created the big bang? Simply cannot be answered. Whatever created it needed to have been created itself and it turns into a ripple effect of sorts. What created god? What created God's God?

As far as a "personal" god that answers prayers and performs miracles, there is ZERO evidence for this to be the case. All current religions are completely false tools of control, nothing more. No offense to anyone who believes in a particular faith, there are many good things that come from all kinds of religions, but there are equally if not worse things that come from today's religions that are totally unnecessary since they are all not true.

[gurdgieff]

nobody can deny that the previous 2000 years of history has been shaped around this bible.
we have the torah.the vatican and islam.wich are the seeds that grew from the jew bible.
the history and future revolves around this book,wether it is true or not.it must be taken seriously.
We know that it says in the bible "all the kingdoms of the world will unite under the rule of Israel,and governed over by the sanhedrin
from its capital jerusalem from the third temple of solomon governed by the sanhedrin.
The sanhedrin has everything ready It has its big solid gold ornaments already cast they learned from josephus.
ready to rebuild the solomons temple on the mount.and put as head of all the peoples of the world,the sanhedrin
These are the same krazy group youre forums about.You dont just think its about greedy jew zionist money do you?
zionism? no it goes deeper than zionism. zionism is only just over 100 years old.
The big idea is much older.
or is it all just a coincedence?.

If I was religious I would say that this jew group are the offspring of,kain sons of the evil one the serpent.as jesus said.Mabie thats true.

[Shiksa Rage]

You will note that that this is in the personal thoughts section and not in the "witchhunters section". I dont see how i am ramming my views down your throat. if you feel uncomfortable then dont reply, i dont feel the need to "save you". i feel that is a great shame that there is no forum to express those views for the sake of "unity". In the film "V for vendetta" the arch-chancellor uses the phrase "unity is strength". I just want someone who believes literally in such stuff and frequents the infounderground to try and "save me". Figures like reverend sun young moon or sai baba or osho or l ron hubbard i have detailed files on. Courtesy of wikileaks they make uncomfortable reading. I have no wish to open up another section if the mods and admin dont want to and am happy to just have a thread for those who put their god/messiah above the cause of Anti-Zionism. These are my personal thoughts that I wont have crushed for your comfortbility.
I intend on winning the battle against Zionism, not against religion par se.

Yes, you are forcing your religious views down our throats.You started this thread with its incendiary title. Actually, Jesus was the most vocal opponent of Jewish supremacy in history; and look where it landed him! Ok, you may say that Jesus never existed (that's a favourite Jewish yarn along with Zionist shills such as Icke and Maxwell), but, come on, we know who the enemy is and it aint Christians or Muslims, who both believe in a Power higher than themselves,unlike Jews, or atheists for that matter. Come to think of it, Jewish atheists were the cause of the greatest slaughter of human beings in history. So stop trying to link Christianity with Judaism. Judaism in its modern form it has much more in common with atheism.

[Jenny Lake]

No sense can ever come from a point-by-point debate on the Bible --it's a trap. But it is worthwhile to look at human nature and our proclivity for religion. I think Jung had the right idea about The Shadow, and that all religions make characterizations of The Shadow to adequately and safely externalize the dark elements of the human psyche. As spiritual beings we require "greater expression" and will invent it in our culture to stay psychologically healthy and balanced. Religion, or "linking back" is as natural to us as breathing. Rejection of old norms get replaced --religion never goes away-- and this is how Science becomes the new religion. Or sports, or whatever. We must channel this energy. So, back to the Bible....
 
According to Prof. Donald Redford of Toronto, and the oral tradition of the Torah, Judaism came into being as a culture in the "captivity" period around 600-500 BCE. The oldest Dead Sea Scrolls (when last I learned of this) are about 400 BCE and nothing older has ever been found, nor is it likely to if Redford is right. The cache from Qumran is the oldest extant source of anything Biblical. This violates the Judeo-Christian antiquity from a material point of view, but the DDS have an interesting story that validates a written Torah at least to this time period (400 BC or so). What scholars rarely advertize is the "codes" on the margins of the documents; similar "codes" were on manuscripts found in Egypt at the Cairo Genizah. The codes, it's been decided, were an authentication system for the accuracy of the text. The scribes were instructed to falsify the texts according to set rules and then mark them with code. Only the knowers of the code could tell how much and in which ways the mss had been altered. So this is part of the history of the Bible --a lot of the Old Testament may have been interpreted from false texts --I guess nobody really knows-- and the New Testament is vulnerable to the same practice as well.
 
Personally, looking at Christian history and taking into account the Gnostic 'bible' and all the DDS, I think early Christians were wiped out of the mid-east. The Grail stories seem to support that, but 'sprouts' popped up all over the Mediterranean and there were hundreds of variants among Christian followers. There is only one gospel sufficiently old enough to have been written near to the life of Christ --the gospel of Mark. It was designated as the foundation of the New Testament. I think the modern Judeo-Christianity never made it's break from Judaism and is only a hybrid Judaism and the 'real' Christians kept their own company and spread out of Palestine at the same time as the Jewish Wars --70 AD to 135AD carrying with them the new oral tradition of mysticized Christianity. Jewish Christianism is all that stayed behind and split the early church into a multitude of factions. I've asked some clergymen about why modern Christians even have the Old Testament as part of the Bible (some do not) and the answer is generally to provide a basis for the New Testament prophecy...oh...a poor excuse, so why?
 
Time, false texts, extreme persecution, intense politics all worked their influence on the Bible. There are other reasons to keep the Old and New Testaments together, but I think much of what those reasons were are lost knowledge. The Old Testament was supposed to be a scientific record, based in numbers and "myth code" --the underlayer. It's Science. The surface stories are psychological Shadow plays. If you read apocryphal texts from Judaism you will be absolutely astonished by the violence and vulgarity-- extreme Shadow play. Give the Adam and Eve stories a whirl --you'll avoid the violence-- these texts came along in the first few centuries after the Dispersion, I think. The source of these stories and beliefs were probably very old legends even way back then that were used to explain the remembrance of things forgotten --how a legendary city came to be destroyed, for example. Archeology shows layers upon layers of city-building at Jericho and other places. The 'new' people of the Canaanites picked up these legends and modified them. They were always pedagogical. A lot of it is easy to trace too, like the Code of Hammurabi as the basis of Mosaic Law.
The Bible made a composite out of the dominant cultures to the Canaanites --which was more Babylonian than Egyptian. The Egyptian influence got strong in the Christian period along with the Greek. Redford says the Hebrew Exodus is false to them, and they were an organic development after the Egyptian period in Canaan. There is a linear flow to the style of artifacts --no evidence of an influx of strangers in the Judean Hills. He says they were hill people who metaphorically "came out of Egypt", long before they had an identity as Israelites, as a way of avoiding the 'occupied' coast.
 
Anyway, mgt, I think most religious people understand on some level even if they don't express it. The Bible's not the problem. It's mass hynopsis, delusion, and the despicable biological program that's being forced on everyone.

[Jenny Lake]

More insight into the Punishing God of the Jews comes from B.F.Skinner in his book "Beyond Freedom and Dignity", when you think of the Bible as the government of a religious cult. Skinner says "A government is defined by its power to punish" so an All-Powerful God has to mete out all-powerful punishment, he must or is no god at all, in this case it was utter destruction for Hebrew enemies who were not even allowed to have their cultures survive. This is the surface story for the benefit of the governed. Skinner goes on to elaborate how a 'citizen' in a punishing environment (under a punishing God) can survive, aided by authorities who encourage "displacing", in all its many forms --busywork for the most part, organized industry and the crafting of environments which remove opportunities for its members to 'be bad'. This is what's going on, and the evolution of this over time has turned the majority of citizens into 'automatons' that have environments of "automatic goodness" --which means no goodness at all, of course, because there's no challenge to think, act, or exercise the alternatives from which moral goodness springs. It's interesting to consider Skinner's points --he wrote the utopian fiction Walden Two. The insight I got from his book into the effect of creating an All-Seeing (and All-punishing) god is that the Jews then must control every possible expression of behavior. This enables the culture to survive --not 'you', you don't matter and can be 'stoned' as necessary-- but with such rigor, mutations of behavior become easy to isolate. So in fact, the All-Punishing God is being applied to the culture of design --and the same surface story is being run.

I read somewhere that Freud's theories were expressly concerned with the maladaption and neurosis that occur from this all-punishing paradigm. Makes sense to me. Freud's interest was healing the Jewish psyche.

By the way, this is a great thread. These issues are vital. If the Jews do not take full control of the environment the only alternative is to have their history and culture demolished. They've 'displaced' themselves all the way to the top.