Overpopulation - rationality vs. survival

[vaultkeeper]

How can the problem of overpopulation be addressed rationally?

I have a few ideas............ how about self-control, personal responsibility, and love?

Instead of having kids, why not adopt?   Two birds with one stone - a child now has a family, and you did not bring yet another mouth to feed into this world.

Choosing not to have kids is not a bad idea.   The human race does not need to go extinct, but it does need to slow the fuck down - BIG TIME.    

This is where I reach a huge conflict in my thinking.........  

Humans DO need to stop reproducing so frequently.   No question about that.

How can we make this happen without forcing it on people?   If the masses of ignorant, ego-driven souls - the meatheads addicted to physical gratification - keep having babies at the rate they currently are........  the human race will face extinction anyway once we reach critical mass.

I do not believe in forcing an idea or practice on anyone, but at the same time, our very survival might actually depend on common sense and mature thought overriding the animal instinct for most of the human race.

I do not think that this choice should be made for everyone.   Have 20 kids if you want, but I just hope there are enough people who decide against having kids to balance things out a bit.  

Every time I visit a catholic church, and I see families with 6-12 kids, I am reminded of what mentality contributes to overpopulation...........  Irresponsible, brainwashed, willfully ignorant people who do not want to take responsibility for the impact they have on others..........  They seek scapegoats, they seek saviors, they seek welfare checks, and many of them have no problem having a dozen kids and teaching those kids to do the same.........  

How hopeless can they be?   And these people vote too!  If you wonder why votes are rigged by secret societies......... the reason for rigging elections becomes clear after having a ten minute conversation with the average voter!   Winston Churchill was correct about that.

Many conspiracy researchers are blaming the "elite" for the horrible idea of planning genocide to curb overpopulation.   How about blaming ourselves for not taking personal responsibility and helping to control the population?  

If you won't do it........... the sociopaths will!  

If humanity became capable of taking responsibility for the impact we have on nature, then maybe the elite would not even have to consider such outrageous ideas.

If you cant control your actions and act for the good of the world - instead of your own personal desires -  then the survival instinct of our collective subconscious might just rise up in the form of psychopathic individuals and totalitarianism in order to deal with the problem in a direct and ruthless way - and then it will be forced on you.

be warned........... but most of all, be realistic and sensible.

[sullivan]

How can the problem of overpopulation be addressed rationally?

You are starting from a premise that has yet to be substantiated. What level of population is 'overpopulation' and who gets to decide?

[vaultkeeper]

That is just it...........  There is no way to define standards for over population.   6 billion humans are not what is bad, what is bad is when half of those humans are consuming WAY more than they need.   We might be able to sustain much higher population if everyone is not consuming in excess.

I do not think that any one or any interest group, institution or other should have the right to force people into any mindset.   No one should have the institutional right to be able to decide on genocide.

What I am saying is that the survival mechanism of nature might kick in and do the job for us if we do not take the highest personal responsibility for our own procreation.

Any other thoughts?  ..........  as I said I reach a fork in the road of my philosophy here.......   its almost a catch 22

[vaultkeeper]

I am going to repost that last bit of statistic analysis everywhere!  This puts the issue of overpopulation in clearer perspective.  

I agree, but I will go further to say that the issue of over-consumption does seem to exist....... and even though our numbers, when condensed into one area, only fill the state of texas, in reality, due to the fact that our population is spread all over the earth..... our consumption footprint is much larger - especially when consuming in excess.    

People do not need plastics, we do not need manufacture of dangerous chemicals, we do not need oil for energy.......

but try telling that to the millions of people who make these monsters possible by pursuing a career working for companies with a vested interest in ever increasing profit.   The elite would not have oil companies and banks to control us with if masses of ego-driven career junkies did not sign up to work for them.

In this way, a group of less than 1000 people can be responsible for consuming the amount that it would take millions individuals to consume by themselves.

Example :

I used to work for JCPenney corporate.   They still make catalogs.    The paper required for the production of these ridiculous things is way more than many people suspect......  more than the paper used for the catalogs themselves.

Penneys was at one time the second leading consumer of paper in the U.S.    

Most of this paper - eventually ends up in the trash.   Most people just throw away catalogs after a period of time.    

Even more paper is wasted just for proofing the pages before the actual mass printing occurs.   Each page might be proofed up to 100 times.   Meaning that if you have a 400 page catalog, the actual paper used to design it from start to finish might number up to 40,000.   Four catalogs a year, and countless mailers that are all proofed multiple times.   This does not include paper based inter-company communications and paper hard copy files of purchase orders, etc........

Thousands of trees consumed per month for perishable convenience.   1 company.   This does not even include the many other companies practicing a similar "profit is god" mentality.

This issue is a problem that is indeed compounded by population growth.  

I agree that there is not a population problem regarding sheer numbers, but when those people are all trained to get together in groups and sell, sell, sell, consume, consume, consume, then the current population can become a much bigger problem than it appears.

[vaultkeeper]

Correction ......... in my last post i said jcpenneys used millions of trees a month - that was a mistake, I meant to say year.

[sullivan]

I am going to repost that last bit of statistic analysis everywhere!  This puts the issue of overpopulation in clearer perspective.

The problem is that the remainder of this post doesn't put the issue of overpopulation into clearer perspective, but actually shifts the focus to an entirely different problem.  

A very small percentage of the world's population is a problem:

These are very same people who squander our natural resources in an attempt to make a quick buck.
The very same people who dreamed up the concept of 'planned obsolescence' so things that should last a lifetime have to be replaced every five to ten years.
They are also the ones who just love selling us more plastic 'useless shit' (to borrow George Carlin's description).
They  run the companies who are pushing GMOs as the solution to an purposely engineered food crisis.
They control the banks that have fleeced generation after generation of us with their usury.
They are  very same people who propose that we hand over more of our money in taxes to help combat the manufactured issue of 'climate change'.
They are also the same people who are fond of calling the rest of us 'useless eaters' and who are more often than not behind calls for eugenicide.

These people, their lust for absolute power and their insatiable greed are the real problem.

[vaultkeeper]

I agree........  

Those in power are the main category that abuse the resources of the world - and they only have the ability to do this because the people are kept unaware of what they are really participating in.   Without the workforce that the elite have cultivated, none of this is possible.    The elite have the ideas, and when they implant their ideas in the public, the public carries out the destruction for them.

The conundrum that I see here - can you really say that the masses are held in ignorance, or is ignorance (the act of ignoring) a personal choice of many and the result of their own laziness and refusal to acknowledge information that would lead to the loss of their precious comfort zone?

Even if this is so - going even further down the rabbit hole - is this inertia and inconsiderateness of the people actually implanted and triggered by the same forces that seek to dominate the course of history?

I will stop before my head explodes under the weight of apparent contradictions that seem unreconcilable.

Your thoughts?.......

[blueocean]

ALL the resources, technology etc etc etc. is presently available for at least 50 billion humans living on this planet AND not burden the planet.

[vaultkeeper]

ALL the resources, technology etc etc etc. is presently available for at least 50 billion humans living on this planet AND not burden the planet.

The resources are certainly available, but how are these resources being used?

Much of the technology that is presently available is designed to create imbalance within us and on the planet as a whole.

cellular technology, electric fields from high voltage residential power lines, nuclear technology, not to mention HAARP, etc..... and the interference these create within the electromagnetic balance of the earth do have the potential to unbalance the earths field profoundly, and this does effect every living creature to one degree or another.

We are living with much of that imbalance - and this imbalance is influenced by those with the means to use technology for selfish ends.  

A very delicate electromagnetic balance existed on earth before we (the people, or the zionists, or who ever  came up with the idea) decided to build devices that divert the natural flow of electricity to redirect its power for the purpose of carrying out our will for convenience.    

Technology does not have to interfere with the flow, but the current "technology" and the way it is used certainly does.

[vaultkeeper]

Here is something that will illustrate the impact of just some of our current technology and wasted resources - made possible by a grossly irresponsible population conditioned into willing ignorance of their own personal impact.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Paci ... bage_Patch

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