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daveyuk

December 27, 2009, 06:31:41 AM
his brother promised stuff(possibly CUBA) for his electoral money that got JFK to power. And JFK didnt play ball.

Is there any books on this particular strand of thought.

Thanks in advance

Daveyuk  :ugeek:

high_treason

#1
December 27, 2009, 07:55:42 AM
I know of only one mob that was involved and that is the Koshernostra, since they were effectively in control of all the Italian families (Through Meyer Lansky) as well as being heavily tied in with the CIA, also Ruby who was a Jew heavily involved on the gambling and prostitution side of the mob killed Oswald after he said he was a patsy. The real beneficiaries of the JFK assasination were the Israelis because after that they were free to launch their nuclaer program and attack the Arabs in the war of 1967 without any retaliation from the USA especially that Johnson was a Christian Zionist.

As for the Italians only were involved I don't know of any books regarding that, but you can check Michael Collins Piper's book for the Israeli involvement.
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#2
December 27, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
the 3 books i would recommend are -

Michael Collins Piper
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Mi ... 0974548405
Piper describes the involvement of Israel, their "means, motive, and opportunity".

James Garrison
http://www.amazon.com/Trail-Assassins-J ... 001&sr=1-1
Garrison was the District Attorney in New Orleans at the time of the assassination.  Note - i'm recommending the BOOK not the movie.  Garrison pursues the crime from the point of view of a New Orleans DA - he follows the leads where they take him, then official-dom comes down on him like a ton of bricks.

i'm not tempted to spend the time to re-read it, but if i did, i'd be looking for the names of the people who put the kibosh on his active investigation.  Garrison is one of 2 Americans who managed to get the JFK assass. to a courtroom.

As it turns out, Clay Shaw committed perjury - Shaw is also mentioned in Pipers' book - by saying under oath that he had no relationship with the CIA.  normally this would have been grounds for a second trial.

Mark Lane
http://www.amazon.com/Plausible-Denial- ... 216&sr=1-1
Lane's book, Plausible Denial, focuses on the second of 2 trials that found their way to a courtroom and were about the JFK assass.  Lane is hired to defend a newspaper that E. Howard Hunt sues for libel, because they published an article alleging that he was involved in JFK's assass.  Much of the book is about the trial testimony, and Hunt embarasses the *#(%& out of himself on the witness stand, with contradictory testimony about where he was on 11-22-63.  end of trial, end of lawsuit, end of book.

and yes, American organized crime was a very useful tool for the CIA & Israel, e.g. Jack Ruby.  they accomplished essential tasks (killing Oswald, who knew way too much, and could not be allowed to live), and providing a convenient scapegoat that would satisfy the curiosity of much of the American public ("the Mob did it !", a half-truth/ limited hangout/ red herring.)
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#3
December 28, 2009, 04:44:41 AM
Quotea convenient scapegoat that would satisfy the curiosity of much of the American public ("the Mob did it !", a half-truth/ limited hangout/ red herring.)
That's what I think of the mob-hit story also. AS IF the government didn't pursue the REAL JFK assassination story because Italian mobsters did it? That's so fucking stupid on its face.

As for books that push this idea, the one I know of is co-authored by Thom Hartmann. Legacy of Secrecy: The Long Shadow of the JFK Assassination; "the completed story of how three powerful Mafia bosses used John and Robert Kennedy's top-secret plan of staging a coup against Fidel Castro to murder JFK".  I believe this is the updated version of Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFK.

Thom Hartmann is pretty smart, and he gets some things right.  But I think he often misses the big picture, and ends up being a shill.  Like this book. Ultimately, I think its dis-info.

Here's a video of Hartmann cutting off a caller who brought up "The israel Lobby":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzJhCvgb ... re=related

Hartmann is not Jewish, but I believe he is afraid of challenging israel or the zionist cabal. This kind of fear goes down to the bone, with the result that the person suffering from this fear becomes a toady, willing kiss ass or do anything to serve his MASTERS. Deep down, Hartmann KNOWS who is in control. He knows that if he doesn't have Bernie Sanders on once a week, and kiss jewish asses, his show will get canceled.

And Hartmann likes his show. His show makes Hartmann think that he is fearlessly confronting evil. Meanwhile, his show covers up evil's slime trail. He hangs up on a caller for bringing up "The israel Lobby"? How much of a little fucking bitch is he? What a whiny little punk bitch! What a tiny-dress-wearing little girl!

(If anyone in MSM had fucking brain they would talk about 9/11 24/7. That is the story of the century. But they don't because they are afraid. Therefore, they are all pure shit.)

I believe Hartmann's excellent research skills have been put to work on the JFK story, uncovering and displaying this "half-truth/ limited hangout/ red herring", and he probably believes it himself. But personally, I think it's crap. Like his show.
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#4
December 28, 2009, 08:01:16 AM
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James W. Douglass  

http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-W ... 1570757550

This is the Amazon link so you can see the front cover and read the reviews. I'd buy it somewhere else though rather than from this zio outfit which continues to censor Hoffman's "Judaism Discovered" and other books telling the truth about the ashkenazi crime gang.

Listen also to Len Osanik's interview of the author here:

http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2009.html

The "mafia" didn't create an elaborate "profile" of a patsy, have him silenced by Jacob Rubenstein, alter the body in a failed attempt to have the body "fit the story", remove the body unlawfully from the proper jurisdiction, let Jacob Rubenstein into the "secure" Dallas Police Department facility so he could kill the patsy, appoint and operate a cover-up "Commission", alter the film and photographic evidence, control the "Secret Service" in carrying out the murder and subsequently covering it up, contol the "media" in a 46 year ongoing cover-up, etc., ad nauseam.

CrackSmokeRepublican

#5
December 28, 2009, 10:35:14 PM Last Edit: August 22, 2023, 06:50:16 PM by yankeedoodle
He was likely killed by Jews. Here are some items we've pulled together.

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JFK Assassination And The Israeli Connection!
http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=8701.msg33264#msg33264


CIA Chief: James Jesus Angleton an Israeli Agent that Killed JFK (A lot of Michael Piper's research quoted here)
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Good intro on the Coverup:

FAKE: the Forged Photograph that Framed Lee Harvey Oswald

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(Warning: Jim Marrs is somewhat of a NWO propagandist shill IMHO and has brief commentary in the video --The CSR)

Note that de Morenschildt was killed by a Gunshot shortly after an interview by likely CIA agent Jew, Jay Epstein.  Note the quote about the "Jewish Mafia"... that's the Mafia that worked hand in hand with US/Israeli intelligence agencies since WWII.  Angelton helped to train the Israeli Mossad in the late 1940s.

QuoteGeorge H. W. Bush recalled, "I first met de Mohrenschildt in the early 1940s. He was an uncle to my Andover roommate." (The roommate, Edward G. Hooker, was actually Dimitri von Mohrenschildt's stepson).

QuoteLater life & death

In 1977 Dutch journalist Willem Oltmans brought de Morenschildt to Holland from Texas. After de Mohrenschildt arrived in Holland, Oltmans invited him out with some Russian friends. They went to Brussels and had plans to go to Liege, a city in the French speaking part of Belgium. The Oltmans owned a house not far from Liege in the countryside. Upon returning to Brussels, de Mohrenschildt went for a short walk from which he failed to return. He had earlier agreed to meet Oltmans and his friends for lunch. Oltmans waited for him but he didn't come back. Months later the police found the body of de Morhenschildt in West Palm Beach, Florida. Oltmans concluded that the CIA or agents connected to the CIA had most likely killed de Mohrenschildt because he was ready to tell him the real story of his involvement in the assassination of Kennedy. According to Oltmans, Lee Harvey Oswald was not the man who killed Kennedy. He was a patsy. The CIA killed the only witness - de Mohrenschildt - before he could tell the whole story.

For reasons unknown, George and Jeanne de Mohrenschildt quietly obtained a divorce in Dallas, Texas on 3 April 1973, after nearly fourteen years of marriage.[7] It was not reported in the local newspapers, and the couple continued to present themselves as husband and wife.[8]

By the early 1970s, reportedly, de Mohrenschildt's behavior leaned towards the erratic. On September 17, 1976, the CIA requested that the FBI locate de Mohrenschildt, because he had "attempted to get in touch with the CIA Director."[9] De Mohrenschildt had "written a letter to the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency asking for his assistance. It seems that Subject feels he is being harassed as a result of his involvement with the OSWALD case."[10] George Bush wrote back:

    Let me say first that I know it must have been difficult for you to seek my help in the situation outlined in your letter. I believe I can appreciate your state of mind in view of your daughter's tragic death a few years ago, and the current poor state of your wife's health. I was extremely sorry to hear of these circumstances. In your situation I can well imagine how the attentions you described in your letter affect both you and your wife. However, my staff has been unable to find any indication of interest in your activities on the part of Federal authorities in recent years. The flurry of interest that attended your testimony before the Warren Commission has long subsided. I can only speculate that you may have become "newsworthy" again in view of the renewed interest in the Kennedy assassination, and thus may be attracting the attention of people in the media. I hope this letter has been of some comfort to you, George, although I realize I am unable to answer your question completely. George Bush, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. [CIA Exec Reg. # 76,51571 9.28.76][11]

On November 9, 1976, Jeanne had him committed to a mental institution in Texas for three months, and listed in a notarized affidavit four previous suicide attempts while he was in the Dallas area. In the affidavit she stated that George suffered from depression, heard voices, saw visions, and believed that the FBI and the Jewish Mafia were persecuting him.

On March 16, 1977, de Mohrenschildt returned to the United States from his trip in Belgium where he suddenly disappeared in Brussels. His daughter talked with him at length and found him to be deeply disturbed about certain matters and had expressed a desire to commit suicide. De Mohrenschildt contacted Kennedy assassination researcher Edward Jay Epstein, told him that he needed money, and accepted $4,000 for an interview to be published in Reader's Digest, during which he claimed that in 1962 a CIA operative in Dallas named Moore asked him to learn what he could about Oswald's activities in the Soviet Union. De Mohrenschildt said that in exchange he received help in an oil transaction he was attempting to negotiate with Haitian dictator Papa Doc Duvalier. When the Haitian government gave de Mohrenschildt the contract in March 1963, he presumed it was payment for assisting the CIA. On March 29, 1977, while on a break from the interview, de Mohrenschildt received a card from Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

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QuoteThe Very First Cold Warrior: Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt

Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt died June 9, 2002 at the age of 100

this volume covers Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt's first job with the Bolshevik's, the founding of the Russian Review while Dimitri worked for the OSS, the promotion of the CIA's Radio Free Europe and Amcomlib (aka Radio Liberty). William H. Chamberlin, conservative columnist for the Wall Street Journal, was Dimitri's closest friend and was telling Allen Dulles "how" to run the Warren Commission. Another friend of Dimitri's was James Billington, a former CIA agent and our current Librarian of Congress was telling Allen Dulles how to run the Warren Commission. Interesting note is that Rush Limbaugh, Jr. idealized William H. Chamberlin, "who says genes are hereditary?"

Click here to see letter from CIA Director Allen Dulles to Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt. Why did the CIA destroy this letter? Adamson was first to publish letter.

The Very First Cold Warrior: Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt is 130 pages sells for $18.00. ISBN 1-892501-07-4.

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After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#6
December 28, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
Pretty interesting post. I don't know all of the citations behind this and a lot of it makes "connections". Note Angleton's monitoring of Oswald at the bottom.
The Lee Harvey Oswald project is pretty typical with the Jew Angleton's misdirections.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listse ... 31492.html
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Subject:      [CTRL] ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: LOOK at HIM, not his "film"  (fwd)
Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 12:42 AM

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 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999
 Subj: ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: LOOK at HIM, not his "film"

 COMMUNIQUE  #2226
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 ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: a CLOSER LOOK
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 CAVEAT LECTOR:

 Lo and Behold, will wonder ever cease ?
 Any thoughts/facts pro or con are invited.

 Amazing Web Of

 Abraham Zapruder -
 The Man Who Filmed
 JFK's Death

 From Gregory Burnham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 12-1-99


 Consider the following:

 Abraham Zapruder-White Russian affiliation, 32nd
 degree Mason, active MEMBER of 2 CIA Proprietary
 Organizations: The Dallas Council On World Affairs and
 The Crusade For A Free Europe;

 These two organizations were CIA (backed) Domestic
 Operations in Dallas whose membership included:

 Abraham Zapruder, Clint Murchison, Mr. Byrd, (owner of
 the Texas School Book Depository), Sarah Hughes, who
 swore LBJ in as the 36th President while Air Force One
 was still on the ground in Dallas, George
 DeMohrenschildt, (CIA contract agent AND best friend
 of LHO), George Bush (also close friend of George
 DeMohrenschildt), Neil Mallon, (mentor that Bush named
 his son, Neil, after), H.L. Hunt, & Demitri Von
 Mohrenschildt (George D's brother).

 In 1953 and 1954 a woman named, Jeanne LeGon worked
 SIDE by SIDE with Abraham Zapruder at a high end
 clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne
 LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut
 the patterns and the material for her.

 Incidentally, Abraham Zapruder's obituary mis-states
 the date/year that he departed Nardis of Dallas,
 incorrectly citing 1949. The correct year was 1959,
 [the same year that his "partner in design" Jeanne
 LeGon became known as, Jean LeGon DeMohrenschildt...
 She had married Lee Oswald's BEST FRIEND (to be), CIA
 Contract Agent, George DeMohrenschildt!]

 Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal secretary, Marie
 Fehmer, who flew back to Washington on Air Force One
 with LBJ on 11-22-1963, just happens to be the
 daughter of Olga Fehmer, currently living in Tyler,
 Texas. Olga Fehmer ALSO worked at Nardis of Dallas
 with Abraham Zapruder and Jean LeGon DeMohrenshildt.

 ==================================================

 QUICK REVIEW:

 Olga Fehmer, the mother of LBJ's future personal
 secretary, (Marie) worked closely with the man who
 would later capture the assassination on film: Abraham
 Zapruder, in the same city of Dallas.

 George DeMohrenschildt's future wife Jeanne LeGon,
 also worked at NARDIS of Dallas, the city in which
 LHO's best friend and rabid anti-communist White
 Russian, George DeMohrenshildt - would convince Lee
 Oswald and his White Russian wife, Marina, to
 eventually reside.

 =================================================================


 (continuing)

 The Oswald's spent time together in the Soviet Union
 during their "courtship" -- much if not most of that
 time was spent in the city of Minsk, which is where
 George DeMohrenshildt and his brother, Demitri Von
 Mohrenschildt, grew up, after fleeing the place of
 their birth, Mozyr, which was often mistakenly thought
 to have been a part of Poland.

 Abraham Zapruder's co-worker, Jeanne LeGon and her
 husband George DeMohrenschildt introduced Lee Oswald
 to the daughter of one of George DeMohrenshildt's
 close friends, Ruth Paine. Ruth Paine's husband,
 Michael, whose step-father, Arthur Young collaborated
 with none other than Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal
 pilot, Joseph Mashman, to develop "BELL" helicopter,
 was employed by Bell at the time of the assassination.
 3,000-5,000 BELL helicopters were lost in Viet Nam and
 BELL's stockholders made a fortune replacing them.

 In September of 1976, George DeMohrenschildt was
 subjected to 9 electro-shock treatments at Parkland
 Hospital under the order given by one, Doctor
 DeLoach... first cousin of FBI Assisstant Director
 Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach. His "doctor of record", Dr.
 Mendoza, ordered the administration of intravenous
 "drugs" upon DeMohrenschildt's being committed to
 Parkland Hospital for, "mental problems" - but, it was
 DeLoach that ordered the Electro-Shock Therapy. This
 episode occured during the time that George Bush was
 the Director of Central Intelligence and within weeks
 of DeMohrenshildt's having written a manuscript for a
 book entitled, "I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!" which
 named names of various CIA and FBI personnel who
 framed Oswald to cover their tracks in the
 assassination of John F. Kennedy.

 There is an "extant" version of this manuscript
 floating around the net [which is possibly a creation
 of a good forgerer like E. H. HUNT].

 On March 29, 1977... the same day DeMohrenschildt
 agreed to an interview with the HSCA, George
 DeMohrenschildt was found dead of a shotgun blast
 through his mouth by his daughter, Alexandra. His
 death was ruled a suicide.

 In 1964, a CIA report states that: "[she] was being
 monitored by CIA's James Jesus Angleton because she
 was having an affair with Mohammed al Fayed shortly
 after the JFK assassination..." James Jesus Angleton's
 name is signed at the bottom of that 41 page report.
 Under his signature is that of CIA asset, Jane Roman.
 Roman was the CIA agent who the record shows was
 charged with "monitoring" the movements of one, Lee
 Harvey Oswald, for the two months preceding the
 assassination.

 Miscellaneous:

 George Bush's roomate at Andover and Yale, who
 subsequently enlisted with him into the Navy was
 Demitri Von Mohrenschildt's step-son, Edward Gordon
 Hooker.

 George DeMohrenschildt was business partners with
 Mohammed al Fayed and Clamar J. Charles in Haiti,
 while working for Clint Murchison's Haitian interests.
 He also worked for Murchison's Three States Oil & Gas Co.

 Jackie Kennedy grew up calling George DeMohrenschildt,
 "Uncle George" -- as her mother Janet Auchincloss
 nearly married him after she had dated him during her
 divorce from Jackie's father, Black Jack Bouvier.

 At one time, DeMohrenschildt actually was engaged to
 be married to Jackie's mother's sister, (Jackie's aunt),
 Michelle.

 George Bush has selective Altzheimer's regarding his
 where abouts of 11-22-1963. Barbara Bush stated he was
 in Tyler, TX. although he has "speculated" that he may
 have been in Port Au Prince, Haiti.

 FBI Special Agent, Graham Kitchell states that he
 received a call from George Bush on 11-22-1963, and
 that George Bush (and his voice) were very familiar to
 him at that time. The call was made to the Houston FBI
 office and apparently did not originate from Haiti.



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After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#7
December 29, 2009, 12:17:18 AM
Still another weird connection... I'm starting to see a pattern of George H. Bush and Prescott Bush as something of a Rothschild type Jew puppets (Lehman Brothers-Harriman Brothers-Financing Hitler-Cold Warriors but really on the inside - Assisting Israel - The Bushes were Zionist-early Israeli assets via Angelton??? Bush was CIA and Jew friendly at the time of Kennedy's murder.  He knew how Angelton and Dulles handled things in the Cold War...  

I think  GWB was directly a puppet of Israel and treated like the "retarded Rothschild Jew Puppet" with hidden earphones and extensive coaching (?). Obama is just the smiling idiot Jew puppet with a lot of Jews like Summers.
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Mohammed al Fayed was the father of Emad El-Din Mohamed Abdel Moneim Fayed  known as Dodi Fayed (15 April 1955 - 31 August 1997), was an Egyptian multi-millionaire and film producer. He is best known internationally as the romantic partner of Diana, Princess of Wales at the time of both their deaths, and as the executive producer of the Academy Award-winning film Chariots of Fire (1981).
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#8
December 29, 2009, 12:57:22 AM
Gaeton Fonzi points how "Arlen Specter" the Coverup Israeli Jew Firster (probably a Jew Agent like George Herbert Walker Bush  )  basically railroaded the Warren Commission along with  Jew Puppet Gerald Ford.

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Gaeton Fonzi Interview
26 April 1996 with Steve Bochan
[Interview focuses on the Silvia Odio incident]

[BEGIN]

The following conversation with Gaeton Fonzi took place in Fonzi's home in Miami, Florida on 4/26/96.  Present were Gaeton Fonzi, G Winslow and Steve Bochan.  Speakers are designated as follows: GF = Gaeton Fonzi; GW = G Winslow; SB = Steve Bochan, and some editing took place to clarify and/or eliminate repetition.

No questions or answers were discussed ahead of time and the interview took place as a casual conversation.

************************************************************************

SB: Out of curiosity, and for the benefit of the people who haven't read your book, THE LAST INVESTIGATION, can you describe how you became interested, before the HSCA investigation, in the JFK assassination?

GF: Yes, I wrote about it in the book. I was working for Philadelphia Magazine at the time and Arlen Specter happened to be a Philadelphian.  Vince Salandria was a local lawyer who wrote an article in The Legal Intelligencer about the Warren Commission Report, specifically about the shots and trajectories and the head hit, which was the area in which Arlen Specter work. I remember thinking that Salandria has to be some crackpot, telling everybody that the Warren Commission Report might be wrong.  So I decided to an article for Philadelphia Magazine about this crackpot lawyer who said the Warren Commission might be wrong.  And that's how I got involved.  After I interviewed Salandria and studied the Warren Commission Report I became convinced that Salandria wasn't a crackpot and, then, after interviewing and questioning Arlen Specter, I also became convinced that the Warren Commission Report was in fact, not the truth.

SB: What was it, in particular about Arlen Specter, that you ...

GF: His inability to explain the single bullet theory.

SB: I think he admitted to you, you mention it in the book I think, that there were some problems with it, or words to that effect, didn't he?

GF: They had some problems with explaining how come there was a hole in the back of his jacket and shirt, about 6 inches down from the collar...
 

[On page 27 of THE LAST INVESTIGATION, Fonzi's encounter with Arlen Specter is described as follows:]

The photographs of the shirt worn by the President shows a hole in the back consistent with the one in the jacket, about five-and-three-quarter inches below the top of the collar and one-and-one-eighth inches to the right of the middle.  The discrepancy is obvious.

The locations of both these holes are inconsistent with the wound below the back of the right ear described in the Commission's autopsy report.

I'll never forget asking Specter about that as I sat in his City Hall office in Philadelphia. (It was about a year after he had returned from his Warren Commission job; he had recently been elected District Attorney.)

"Well," he said, "that difference is accounted for because the President is waving his arm."  He got up from his desk and attempted to demonstrate his explanation on me, pulling my arm up high over my head.  "Wave your arm a few times," he said, "wave at the crowd."  He was standing behind me now, jabbing a finger into the base of my neck.  "Well, see, if the bullet goes in here, the jacket gets hunched up.  If you take this point right here and then you strip the coat down, it comes out at a lower point."

A lower point?

"Well, not too much lower on your example, but the jacket rides up."

If the jacket were "hunched up," I asked, wouldn't there have been two holes as a result of the doubling over of the cloth?

"No, not necessarily.  It ... it wouldn't be doubled over.  When you sit in the car it could be doubled over at most any point, but the probabilities are that ... aaah ... that it gets ... that ... aaah ... this ... this is about the way the jacket rides up.  You sit back ... sit back now ... all right now ... if ... usually, as your jacket lies there, the doubling is right up here, but if ... but if you have a bullet hit you right about here, which is where I had it, where your jacket sits ... it's not ... it ordinarily doesn't crease that far back."

What about the shirt?

"Same thing."

Was Specter saying there was no inconsistency between the Commission's location of the wound and the holes in the clothing?

"No, not at all.  That gave us a lot of concern.  First time we lined up the shirt ... after all, we lined up the shirt ... and the hole in the shirt is right about, right about the knot of the tie, came right about here in the slit in the front ... "

But where did it go in the back?

"Well, the back hole, when the shirt is laid down, comes ... aah ... well, I forget exactly where it came, but it certainly wasn't higher, enough higher to ... aah ... understand the ... aah ... the angle of decline which ..."

Was it lower?  Was it lower than the slit in the front?

"Well, I think that ... that if you took the shirt without allowing for its being pulled up, that it would either have been in line or somewhat lower."

Somewhat LOWER?

"Perhaps.  I ... I don't want to say because I don't really remember.  I got to take a look at that shirt."
 

SB: Supposedly that was the so-called "hunched up" jacket and "hunched up" shirt theory ...

GF: Yeah, so that's what got me interested, really.

I did a few articles for Philadelphia Magazine on the Kennedy assassination.  The first one of course was on Arlen Specter.

And then when I moved down here, a friend of mine - a reporter -
had stopped in to see a friend of his who was Schweiker's administrative assistant.  Schweiker was on the Church Committee at the time and had convinced Church to set up a subcommittee on the Kennedy assassination, which Schweiker headed.  (Gary Hart was co-chairman but he didn't take much interest in it.)  And my friend and Schweiker's assistant started talking about Schweiker's interest in the Kennedy assassination and the fact that he was getting more interested in the relationship between the CIA and the anti-Castro Cubans, while the Church Committee investigators were concentrating on the pro-Castro angle.

Being that Schweiker's anti-Castro interest effort was focused on Miami, my friend Greg said, "Well, Gaeton's in Miami," and as a result of that I got a call from Schweiker's man, Dave Newhall, a former Philadelphia reporter whom I had known.  Newhall called me said he had a few things to check out in the Miami area and would I have the time to check them out.

I said, "Sure, how long will it take?" and he said, "just a couple of weeks."  (laughter)

SB: A couple of weeks?

GF: A couple of weeks turned into three years.

SB: One of the devices you use to both open and close the book which was very powerful, I thought, and probably very powerful for those of us who have been to Dealey Plaza, was your description of your emotions when you went there.  You stood in the middle of Elm Street and became overwhelmed with what happened there and, you wrote, "Right here ... is where a man died. ... A man's life ended."

That's very dramatic and anyone who has been to Dealey Plaza knows that feeling and I thought it was both moving and effective to begin and end the book that way.

Is that also what finally made you determined to go into this, after you went there and stood in the middle of Elm Street, contemplating the gravity of that crime?

GF: Well, no.  I wrote that in the context of having worked with the Committee.  I went to Dealey Plaza back in the '60s when I first did the article for Philadelphia Magazine, and I really didn't have a full grasp of the whole Kennedy assassination at that point.  But it was still a very moving thing to see.

But what really got to me is when I got there, and after having worked with the Committee, having been in Washington, and having been involved in so much of this bureaucratic charade, as it were, and then coming to Dealey Plaza and it made me think, 'My God what are we doing?  What have they been doing in Washington playing with all these documents and everything?'

And here they were getting ready to turn out a report that was going to tell the American people that we did a thorough and complete investigation and I knew that wasn't the case.

It just made me realize that they forgot the basic point here that a man was killed.  A man was killed ...

SB: Some of your critics on the Internet and on CompuServe are very quick to point out that you came into the investigation already determined to prove a conspiracy. In other words, they'll say, 'Well you know, Gaeton Fonzi wasn't really an objective investigator - he had already made up his mind that there was a conspiracy,' etc.  A counter argument, of course, is that Blakey himself was already determined to bring the Mafia into the assassination, and of course, Earl Warren was determined to blame it all on Lee Harvey Oswald.  How would you react to that criticism that you had already made up your mind with regard to there being a conspiracy in the JFK assassination?

GF: It's true.  I had already made up my mind years ago as a result of the investigation and as a result of the work I had already done on the Kennedy assassination.  Especially as a result of the interviews with Arlen Specter; that the single bullet theory didn't hold water.  And once that conclusion is reached, there is a conspiracy.

But, as an investigator involving areas that really had nothing to do with whether or not there was a conspiracy - because we certainly wouldn't have been conducting the investigation on the basis (like the Warren Commission did) that Oswald alone did it. But as long as you don't angle your approach or deliberately attempt to manipulate your questioning or narrow your perspective, it's really is irrelevant when you are interviewing people and when you're digging up information.

The other point is that I had nothing to do with controlling the direction of the investigation: I mean that was Blakey's job.  And even at that point, I don't think the question of conspiracy or non-conspiracy is relevant here.  If we were going to accept the Warren Commission Report as the final word, there would have been no need for an investigation.

SB: Do you keep in contact with Blakey; do you talk to him ever?

GF: (laughter)  No, I haven't talked to ah, Bob Blakey ...

SB: Did you part on good terms?

GF: Yeah, basically I like the guy.  You know, we just have a difference of opinion I guess, when it comes to whether or not the investigation was a full and complete investigation as the report claims it was.

I don't have any personal animosity towards Blakey or anything.

SB: Getting into Silvia Odio, in the book, you relate how disappointed you were that they didn't ask her to testify, but, who's ultimate decision was that - was that Blakey who decided that the time was running out, the budget was running out, etc.?  It almost sounded like the Warren Commission's Rankin saying that they were supposed to be closing doors, not opening them...

GF: Yeah, it was Blakey's decision to spend the time in the public hearings on organized crime.  Now he will say, 'but, we put everything on the record,' and that's true.  But the impact that would have had on the American public, I think, would have been tremendous.  And it was his decision to limit the public hearings to those areas that he wanted to cover.

SB: How did Silvia Odio react to that?  I remember you described her gaining trust and confidence in you, the time that that took to do that, and so forth, and then when she was finally ready ...

GF: Oh, yeah, she was terribly disillusioned, and bitter.  I mean, because she really had to psyche herself up into coming forward.  Jim McDonald and I spent a long afternoon convincing her that this is what she really should do; that the American people should know her story directly from her for the first time.  And on the basis of her trusting us, she said, 'okay, I'll do it,' but she really didn't want to do it; she was a very emotional person to begin with; she had arranged to take off work and her husband arranged to take off work because she needed his support; and then all of a sudden the rug is pulled out from under her.  She was terribly disillusioned.

SB: Were you the one who had to tell her that it wasn't going to happen?

GF:  Oh yeah.

SB: That had to have been difficult, especially after working with her, ...

GW: Why didn't they let her testify?

GF: Because they were going to continue the hearings; they cut out the anti-Castro element of the public hearings.  She did testify, you know, took a deposition.  But this involved the public hearings which was the public's perception of what the Committee was doing.

SB: She made a remark to you, and you used it in the book, and she also made it back in '64, I believe, that the American people 'don't really want to know, that they don't really want to know the truth,' or words to that effect.  What do you think she meant by that?

....

SB: You know, that whole Mexico City thing, another interesting episode, what is your take on them never officially being able to come up with a photograph of Oswald down there going in and out of the Cuban Consulate and Soviet Embassy, explaining that the cameras weren't working, and so forth?

GF: The whole Mexico City thing, to me, still remains a puzzle.  One of the major issues is, well, if the CIA had a photograph of Oswald going into the Cuban or Soviet embassies while he was down there, wouldn't you think they'd want to produce them, quickly, right away for the Warren Commission?

SB: Exactly.

GF: And yet, it's hard to believe that no photos were taken, I mean we're talking about what, how many instances and possibilities where he walked into and out of an embassy, 10?  5?

How many entrances were there, and how many times combined, did he walk in and out of there, the Cuban and Russian embassies? 10?

And yet not one photograph turns up.

The whole Mexico City area is an area that needs a lot more work.

SB: Did you read John Newman's book, OSWALD AND THE CIA ?

GF: Yes.

SB: What did you think about the way he handled the Mexico City thing?  He came up with a couple of new things in the Mexico City episode.

GF: Yeah.  But I just don't have enough personal investigative experience in that area to draw any kind of permanent conclusion about it, and I haven't really delved into Mexico City, as much as much I would like.

SB: Did Ed Lopez work for you?

GF: No.  Ed was a researcher on team three, and I worked, being one of the investigators stationed outside headquarters, as it were.  Most of the investigators were assigned to specific teams.  Because my area down here in Miami involved anti-Castro Cubans, pro-Castro Cubans, and the CIA - all were all very active down here - so I worked with the CIA team and the anti-Castro team. Eddie was a researcher on the anti-Castro team and I worked with him, as well as researchers on other teams based in Washington.

SB: If I remember right, one of his basic contentions was that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City.  I wonder if it ever occurred to him that Oswald may have been impersonated *WHILE* he was in Mexico City?  Did he ever have any conversations with you about that?

GF: He might have, I don't recall the specifics of it though.

SB: That's the issue that John Newman raises.  Another interesting thing that came out was that Win Scott apparently played a tape of Oswald to WC attorney Slawson in April or May of 1964 - yet - the CIA has always maintained that those tapes are routinely destroyed after 6-12 days.  How could this be if Scott played this taped intercept of Oswald *MONTHS* after they allegedly were made?  What in the world are they hiding about Mexico City - I mean, if Oswald is this lone nut, why all the games and various versions of what happened in Mexico City?

GF:  Yeah one of the questions also, the fact that the tape - pretty much confirmed by not only Slawson but also by Coleman, I believe --

SB: Yes, you're right.

GF: ... and I think Tony Summers also talked to a CIA man who also confirmed that these tapes do exist, and also photos, for Slawson and Coleman.  And yet, as late as the mid '70s, when the Assassination Committee was just getting going,  when Dick Sprague was still the Chief Counsel and David Phillips testified under oath, that the tapes had been destroyed within weeks ...

I can't figure out why Phillips, who had to have known that the tapes were not destroyed, why he testified under oath that the tapes had in fact been destroyed, as late as the mid '70s.  Unless, it's the fact that lying to Congressional Committees means absolutely nothing to the CIA.

SB: Well, it didn't seem to mean anything to Helms, right?

GW: He wasn't convicted of that! (laughter)

SB: You're right, I keep forgetting that.

Some final few questions for you from some of the people on CompuServe.  One of the posters who just finished reading your book wanted to know if, in the intervening years, you had discovered or learned anything more on that strange person, David Morales.

GF: Yeah, what intrigues me most about him is how he's buried almost anonymously out there in Arizona under a tombstone that says, "Sgt. David Morales."  And yet he was obviously a very, very important and eventually high ranking officer in the Agency.
I think Morales needs a lot more looking into, his background and his associates and his involvement with David Phillips.  We discovered, for instance, that he was involved with Phillips in the Chilean operation - the overthrow of Allende.

He came away with a lot of money.

GW: Do you have that address he lived at in Coral Gables?

GF: Yeah, it's right here ... (laughter)

SB: Isn't that how you got into his book Gordon, by asking Shackley when he was visiting down here in Miami, about Morales?

GW: It wasn't a leading question, either.  I didn't ask him if he knew who David Morales was or anything - I asked him who was your 2nd in charge at JM/WAVE?  And he said, "David Morales."

SB: Any final thoughts?

GF: What bothers me about this whole area is the layer upon layer of irrelevancies piled on top of each other.  Part of the Committee's basic failure was to not conduct a real investigation.  But at this point, I think the only way to conduct a real investigation of the Kennedy assassination is by taking an arbitrary approach.  What Blakey wanted to do was cover as many bases as possible, so that if someone were to say, 'well, didn't you look into this?' he could say, "yes, we looked into that, and we looked into that," when instead he should have said, "Nah, we didn't look into that, that's bullshit, it would have been a waste of our time, effort, money and manpower."

I think you have to make arbitrary decisions to do an effective investigation today.  You really have to make arbitrary decisions and in making those decisions you have to err on the side of what could likely be bullshit, but you'll never be sure about - but you have to go after those areas.  But if you eliminate the bullshit areas, I think it's still possible to conduct an authentic investigation.

Or else you're going to end up with an investigation, as Sprague wanted, that's unending in terms of funding, and in time.

And at the time that Sprague was there - we're talking 20 years ago - that would have still been possible.  But now, 20 years has gone by, with two decades of crap being piled on what all the previous crap.

GW: Could this be done in the private sector?  Does the government have to be involved?

GF: Ahhh, that's a good question.  Can the government conduct an authentic investigation of the government?

GW: No, I mean can a group of private citizens do this without the power of subpoena?  Can they do that?  Is it possible?

GF: Maybe you could do it - how would you do it?  "You VILL TELL US ZE TRUTH!"  How would you do it?  (laughter)

GW: Well, yes, you could say, "We have some questions and - accidents do happen, you know." (laughter)

How important was the Garrison investigation?

GF: Well, something was happening in New Orleans.

SB: Didn't it scare you or shock you when you went to talk to de Mohrenschildt and he ended up blowing his own head off before you could question him?  I mean didn't you think to yourself, 'oh....shit.'

GF: Yeah, especially the way I heard about it - I heard about it by way of Dallas.

GW: Why is it everybody you go to see, winds up dead? (laughter) It seems like that was happening ....

GF: It was!  Yes, let's see there's Artime, Prio, Pawley, de Mohrenschildt .....

SB: Do you think we're ever going to know the answers?

GF: I think we already know the answers.  We just don't know the details.

SB: Thank you for your time and kindness by putting up with us today.

GF: You're welcome.  Anytime.


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After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#9
December 29, 2009, 02:10:57 AM
(Sorry for the overposting....  :geek: )

A good link on how the Warren Commission derailed...
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The point is that the Committee report does not actually state that Organized Crime was involved in the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.  The report says this:
                 "The Committee believes, on the basis of evidence available to it, that the national syndicate
                  of  Organized Crime, as a group, was not involved in the assassination of President
                  Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual
                  members may have been involved."

            The cryptic, latter part of the conclusion specifically referred to two key mob bosses:  Carlos Marcello of New Orleans and Santos Trafficante of Florida.  (Lee Harvey Oswald's uncle, the Committee discovered, was a numbers runner for the Marcello organization; and Jack Ruby may have had some contact with Trafficante in Cuba)

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"I'm afraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly.  "All the critics, myself included, were misled very early.  I see that now.  We spent too much time and effort micro-analyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy.  Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way?  They chose not to.  Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner.  The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny.  The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear:  'We are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'  It was a message to the people that their government was powerless.  And the people eventually got the message.  Consider what has happened since the Kennedy assassination.  People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously.

            "The tyranny of power is here.  Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by* promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad.  And that will lead not to revolution but to repression.  I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities.  No doubt we  are dealing now with an international conspiracy.  We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the evidence.  That's exactly what they want us to do.  They have kept us busy for so long.  And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you.  They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."

            It had been almost 10 years from the time I first interviewed Salandria to our talk that long winter Sunday.  Yet, flying back home to Miami that evening, I sat in the dark plane and had an eerie sense of deja vu.  As when I first spoke with him, I didn't quite grasp exactly what he was talking about, but had the uneasy feeling he was advancing some awesomely frightening theories.  It crossed my mind that, perhaps this time for sure, Salandria was crazy.

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html

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That is an example of numerous inherent contradictions contained in the details of the report.  It's the result of an attempt to leave no base untouched, no area verbally unexplored, however cursory the Committee's actual investigation.  What the report does in the most quintessential way is -- to use the expression favored in Washington -- cover its ass.

            One of the most ironic aspects of that is this:  In doing so, the report was forced to expose indications of its own basic conflicts, as well as the shortcomings of the Committee's pseudo-investigation.

            That problem came to light some time ago, when the first attempt was made to bring the various aspects of the report together.  For instance, before the acoustics evidence of conspiracy was firmed up very late in December, each Committee team was frantically writing what it thought would be a portion of the final report, that part dealing with its aspect of the investigation.  (There were five major teams, each originally consisting of two lawyers, three researchers and two investigator.  There were also special project teams -- ballistics, autopsy, acoustics, photographic and other areas involving expert consultants -- and staff investigators stationed in New Orleans and Miami.)  By December, however, the staff had been drastically depleted through firings and resignations.  When it became obvious that all the portions would not be finished before the Committee's demise at the end of the month, a young lawyer name Jim Wolf was given the job of gathering from each team a summary of its findings and putting them together into what would appears to be a "draft" of a final report.  That, at least, would be something for the Committee to release before it officially folded.

            When that compilation was completed, it totaled more than 500 pages.  Wolf strung together the summaries he got from each team and then, after a conference with Blakey, drew up the conclusion.  That's when it became obvious that there were some basic problems.

            One of the key conflicts was Blakey's insistence that the Committee had to come to some conclusion about Oswald's motivation.  (Oswald's guilt, ruled Blakey, had already been resolved through  scientific analysis of the physical evidence.)  Unfortunately, one of the areas that most reflected the inadequacy of the Committee's investigation was the one dealing with Oswald himself.  Like the Warren Commission, the Committee never did truly define who Oswald really was, what he really believed, the nature of his relationships with an odd assortment of people, the reasons for the strange and mysterious things he did, nor why there are no traces of his actions over certain periods of time.  The Committee, because of the structure of its limited investigation plan, did very little original work in this area.

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0019a.html
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#10
December 29, 2009, 10:33:53 PM
Jane Roman (Jewess? Roman is a common Jewish surname) covered up for Angleton's planning of the Kennedy Assassination.  This interview only proves to me that Angleton and Russian-Cuban Jewish leaders in the US-Soviet sphere knew that Missles were placed in Cuba precisely to draw attention away from Israel's Nuke program. Angleton was running a "secret team" as part of the SAS with Israelis and Jewish Mobsters to intentionally take out Kennedy. Castro was likely in the loop as well since the CIA never succeeded in killing him despite it likely being incredibly easy to do.  Angleton ran internal memos to cover the tracks of the Hit on Kennedy in this Jane Roman interview.  Sadly, the more I look at the "investigation" of Kennedy, the more I see Jews mucking around with the facts as commentators and interviewers or "story editors".  The same goes for 9/11 with various levels for the various levels of sophistication. Pretty much laying the faces out on the table with names and then naming them "Jew or Not Jew" is likely the only method that works. Everyone connected with Intelligence operations and Jews are trained liars.  Angleton, the Jew, knew exactly that Oswald was a perfect Patsy for an Israeli sponsored hit on Kennedy. His SAS team had tracked Oswald "Keenly".  Probably like the "Hollywood, FL" "Arabs" when the Mossad operatives in the area probably killed off of the "Patsy" Arabs and did the deeds to paste blame on them, Angleton the Jew, likely set up a false history of Oswald with the same B.S. stories.  In the Jewish Killer's eyes, "Oswald" was just another one of the "19 Arab Hijackers" on 9/11.  A target for all to "trash" and then seal the can with.    Kennedy, without a doubt, was killed by Jews....


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WHAT JANE ROMAN SAID
A Retired CIA Officer Speaks Candidly About Lee Harvey Oswald
By Jefferson Morley

People who say there's nothing new to be learned about the Kennedy assassination don't know the story of John Whitten.

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Introduction

In the summer of 1994 I became curious if a retired employee of the Central Intelligence Agency named Jane Roman was still alive and living in Washington.

I was curious because I had just seen Jane Roman's name and handwriting on routing slips attached to newly declassified CIA documents about Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President John F. Kennedy. This is what I found significant: these documents were dated before November 22, 1963. If this Jane Roman person at CIA headquarters had read the documents that she signed for on the routing slips, then she knew something of Oswald's existence and activities before the itinerant, 24 year-old ex-Marine became world famous for allegedly shooting President John F. Kennedy in Dallas. In other words, Jane Roman was a CIA official in good standing who knew about the alleged assassin in advance of Kennedy's violent death.

What self-respecting Washington journalist wouldn't be interested?

Of course, I knew enough about the Kennedy assassination to know that many, many, many people knew something of Lee Oswald before he arrived in Dealey Plaza with a gun—a small family, an assortment of far-flung buddies from the Marines, family and acquaintances in New Orleans and Dallas, some attentive FBI agents, not to mention the occasional anti-Castro Cuban, and even some CIA officials.

But Jane Roman was not just any CIA official. In 1963 she was the senior liaison officer on the Counterintelligence Staff of the Central Intelligence Agency in Langley, Virginia. That set her apart. At the height of the Cold War, the counterintelligence staff was a very select operation within the agency, charged with detecting threats to the integrity of CIA operations and personnel from the Soviet Union and its allies. The CI staff, as it was known in bureaucratic lingo, was headed by James Jesus Angleton, a legendary Yale-educated spy, who was either a patriotic genius or a paranoid drunk or perhaps both. Jane Roman's responsibilities in the fall of 1963 included handling communications between the CI staff and other federal agencies.

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That was very likely true, and Newman didn't dispute it. He stressed a different point: that Roman, having read the FBI cables on Oswald and having seen the draft form of the cable to Mexico City, personally knew that the line about "latest HDQS info" on Oswald was not entirely accurate.

"You had to know that this sentence here was not correct," Newman said.

"Well, I had thousands of these things," Roman protested.

"I'm willing to accept whatever your explanation is," Newman allowed, " but I have to ask you this--"

Roman was getting testy.

"And I wasn't in on any particular goings-on or hanky-panky as far as the Cuban situation," she added.

"Right, so you wouldn't have"--Newman groped for the right words, "what you're saying is" He finished the thought: "...tried to examine it that closely?"

"Yeah, I mean, this is all routine as far as I was concerned," she answered.

"Problem though, here," Newman noted. He pointed to the line in the cable about "latest HDQS info."

Roman understood his point and finally conceded it:  "Yeah, I mean I'm signing off on something that I know isn't true."

I'm signing off on something that I know isn't true.

This was doubly interesting. Roman was not only acknowledging not only was somebody in SAS interested in Oswald six weeks before Kennedy was killed. She was stating that whoever that somebody was made an affirmative decision to withhold information about him from other CIA officers before November 22, 1963.

Newman did not dwell on the point. He did not imply that Roman was involved in anything sinister. She was merely saying that she participated in drafting a cable in which the men higher up in the clandestine operations division chose not to tell the whole truth—something that was in the nature of their jobs.

Responsibility for the cable on Oswald, Roman said, belonged to the most senior officer who signed it, Tom Karamessines.

She was no doubt correct. Karamessines was Dick Helms' right hand man. While Helms was sleek and bland, an Ivy Leaguer who was barbered to the nines and kept a clean desk, Karamessines was an earthy assimilated New Yorker. He had distinguished himself as a frontline soldier in the vicious Greek civil war of 1946-48. He went on to become the chief of the CIA station in Athens, the largest outpost of U.S. intelligence in the Near East. There he recruited a large number of Greek-Americans to work for the agency.  In March 1962, Helms made him his top assistant and trusted him totally.

Newman wanted to know how Roman, with the benefit of hindsight, interpreted the contents of the cable about Lee Harvey Oswald that Tom Karamessines' signed and sent to Mexico City late on the night of October 10, 1963.

"What does this tell you about this file, that somebody would write something they knew wasn't true?" he asked.

"And I'm not saying that it has to be considered sinister, don't misunderstand me," Newman added. "It is one thing if I don't say anything, I tell you 'You don't have a need to know.' But if I tell you something that I know isn't true, that's an action [that] I'm taking for some reason. ... I guess what I'm trying to push you to address square on here is, is this indicative of some sort of operational interest in Oswald's file?"

This was the key question of the interview and Roman took it head on.

"Yes," she replied.  "To me its indicative of a keen interest in Oswald held very closely on the need to know basis."

A keen interest in Oswald held very closely on the need to know basis.

Parsing this burst of intelligence jargon raised several questions.

"A keen interest" in Oswald required specific CIA personnel to be interested. Who?

These unknown senior CIA officials "held very closely" information about the accused assassin's political activities before he killed Kennedy. Why would they do such a thing?

It occurred to me then that it was quite possible, even probable, that Jane Roman had been "out of the loop" back in 1963. It might well have been the first time that she had even thought about the question. Why had her colleagues send a cable to Mexico City stating that the latest information on Oswald was 17 months old when she (and others) had much more recent reports in hand?

Roman's reply was thoughtful, not defensive.

"There wouldn't be any point in withholding it [the recent information about Oswald]," she answered. "There has to be a point for withholding information from Mexico City."

This was the third important insight that Roman offered: There has to be a point. There had to be a reason why unknown colleagues chose to withhold information from Win Scott in Mexico City.

Newman agreed. He offered his belief that "somebody made a decision about Oswald's file here." Somebody, meaning one or more of her CIA colleagues in Washington.

Roman understood his implication: some specific people in the CIA hierarchy were deliberately manipulating information about Oswald weeks before Kennedy was killed. She mulled the possibilities.

"Well, the obvious position which I really can't contemplate would be that they [meaning the people with final authority over the cable] thought that somehow ... they could make some use of Oswald," she said.

This was both fair and precise. Roman was not saying that she knew or believed somebody in the CIA was trying to make use of Oswald seven weeks before he allegedly shot Kennedy. But clearly she thought it was possible based on the paper trail in front of her. In any case, Roman did not dispute Newman's underlying point. In fact, she said she basically agreed with it—with one reservation.

"I would think that there was definitely some operational reason to withhold it [the information at headquarters on Oswald], if it was not sheer administrative error, when you see all the people who signed off on it."

Jane Roman would later tell confidants that "administrative error" could explain everything in the Oswald paper trail. On the tape of the interview, Roman's tone of voice when she says "administrative error" sounds more ironic than emphatic, at least to my ears. Roman did not elucidate how "sheer administrative error" might account for the misstatement about headquarters' knowledge of the recent activities of Oswald. She did not acknowledge any administrative errors of her own or of anybody else. She did not pursue the point. With the documents in front of her, Roman could not and did not explain how "administrative error" created the Oct. 10, 1963 cable.

As she herself said, "There had to be a point."

For me, that was the clincher. Roman agreed that the cable traffic about Oswald showed that somebody in the CIA covert operations division was thinking carefully about Oswald before Kennedy was killed. I came away certain that Jane Roman did not know who that somebody was.

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For the most part, I stayed out of the online discussions and away from the JFK assassination conferences. I disliked the low ratio of new facts to old opinions. I stayed in touch with John Newman who continued teaching at the University of Maryland while writing a book about U.S. policy toward Cuba in the 1950s and 1960s. We took comfort from new evidence that corroborated what Roman had said.

For example, the JFK Assassination Records Review board released several chapters from an unpublished memoir written by Win Scott, the man who had been serving as chief of the CIA's Mexico City station in 1963. Scott, renowned among colleagues for his photographic memory, wrote that Oswald was the object of "keen interest" from the moment he arrived in Mexico City.

That was the exact same phrase that Roman had used and it contrasted sharply with the CIA's official story that Oswald was a passing stranger of no particular interest.

More corroboration came in May 1996 when the JFK Records Review Board released a sworn deposition given by a retired CIA official known only as "John Scelso." Scelso was a cover name for John Whitten, a former senior staffer in the Western Hemisphere division of the covert operations  directorate.  Whitten's identity was so sensitive that it was illegal to publish it until October 2002, when the CIA finally declassified his name.

People who say there's nothing new to be learned about the Kennedy assassination don't know the story of John Whitten. A native of Maryland's Eastern Shore, he fought for the U.S. Army in Europe during World War Ii. He began working on embassy security and became a career CIA man. Brilliant and decisive, he rose in the government's civil service earning the highest possible GS-17 ranking, and a reputation for cracking espionage puzzles. He won a medal for pioneering the use of the polygraph for the intelligence community. In November 1963, he was trusted.

Less than a day after Kennedy's death, Dick Helms put John Whitten in charge of the agency's review of files related to accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. Assisted by a staff of 30 people, Whitten went to work. But as he plowed through mountains of paper, Helms thwarted his efforts. When Whitten complained, Helms relieved of his duties. Whitten went back to his desk, kept his own counsel, retired, and moved overseas.  In 1978, congressional investigators found him living in self-imposed exile and interviewed him in secret session.

Under oath Whitten described how he had pursued his investigation around the clock for a couple of weeks after the assassination. His testimony confirmed the unusual handling of pre-assassination information about Oswald.

He was asked about the cable of October 10, 1963 which Jane Roman had described as "very dull, very routine." Whitten was puzzled that someone as senior as Tom Karamessines had signed off on it. Standard agency procedures involving reporting on Americans abroad, he said, did not normally require such high-level attention.

Accounting for Oswald's Cuba-related activities proved especially difficult, he testified. In early December 1963 Whitten was writing up what he had gleaned from CIA files, when he was invited to the White House for a look at the FBI's preliminary report on Oswald. Reading the report, Whitten was shocked. The FBI had all sorts of information about Oswald that had never been given to him. Whitten went back to his office realizing that deputy director Dick Helms and counterintelligence chief James Angleton had been withholding "vital information" about the accused assassin from him.

"Could you give us some examples of that?" his interrogator asked.

Whitten remembered quite clearly.

"Yes," he said. "Details of Oswald's political activity in the United States, the pro-Cuban activity..."  Later on he reiterated the point: "Oswald's involvement with the pro-Castro movement in the United States was not at all surface[d] to us in the first weeks of the investigation," he said.

Why would Helms and Angleton not share such information his colleague in charge of the agency's investigation of Oswald?

Whitten never found out. He testified that as soon as he learned he had been denied key files on Oswald, he complained to Helms around Christmastime 1963. His initial conclusion that Oswald had acted alone, he said, was "obviously, completely irrelevant in view of all this Bureau information." Helms relieved him of his responsibilities.

Whitten kept his distance from Helms after that experience. He was bothered by Helms's failure to give him files on Oswald's Cuba-related activities. He was appalled to learn in the 1970s that Helms had been organizing a conspiracy to kill Castro in November 1963 and failed to share information about the plots with the Warren Commission. Helms's actions were "completely morally reprehensible," he said. Like Jane Roman, Whitten was an insider who could recognize the subtleties of what was going on in the CIA's Directorate of Plans at the time of Kennedy's death. Unlike Roman, Whitten was bothered by what he saw and said so under oath.

Is Whitten's deposition important?

John Tunheim, the federal judge who served as chairman of the JFK review board, once told men, "the so-called 'Scelso deposition' was perhaps the single most important documents we uncovered."

Whitten, unfortunately, is not available to comment on it. He died in January 2000. I had attempted to locate him and interview him before his death but failed. I'm not sure it would have made any difference. It would have been illegal for him to talk about the Kennedy assassination on the record with the Washington Post.

http://www.history-matters.com/essays/f ... Said_1.htm
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#11
December 29, 2009, 10:39:35 PM
Interweaving Mexican Threads

There are strange connections that link these various players. Shortly before the assassination, Oswald's CI/SIG-held 201 file was transferred to the Mexico City Headquarters desk, responsible to John Whitten and supported by desk officer Charlotte Bustos. (Bustos is identified as Elsie Scaleti in the Lopez Report.4)

Bustos, Ann Egerter of Angleton's CI/SIG unit (the woman who opened the 201 file on "Lee Henry [sic] Oswald"), and Stephan Roll, Angleton's CI liaison to the SR (Soviet Russia) division, drafted the two now infamous communications that cause much suspicion of the CIA's involvement in the Kennedy assassination.5 Although the two communications were drafted at the same time, the cable to CIA in Mexico City describes Oswald as 5'10", 165 pounds, with light brown hair; whereas the teletype to the State Department, Navy and the FBI describes Oswald as being approximately 35 years old, 6' tall, with an athletic build and a receding hairline. Why would Angleton's people be collaborating with the Mexico City desk officer to mislead other agencies within the government unless they were in some measure trying to hide or protect Oswald's identity?

Immediately following the assassination, Bustos allegedly found a photo of Oswald from the CIA's Mexico City surveillance operations. Phil Agee, Joseph Burkholder Smith, Daniel Watson, and Joseph Piccolo, all CIA employees at some point, recalled hearing about—and in the latter two cases, actually viewing—such a photo. According to Agee, Bustos found the photo within an hour or two of the President's assassination. John Whitten said of Bustos that she had a "fantastic memory" and yet, like E. Howard Hunt, Bustos cannot recall what she was doing the day of the assassination.6 But Anne Goodpasture is the person who supplied the photo the CIA showed to the FBI as a possible picture of "Oswald". (Curiously, Goodpasture said in an unsworn ARRB interview that headquarters refused to send a photo of Oswald to Mexico City, and she was never sure why.7 Of course we know from Oswald's CIA file that indeed news clippings from his defection with his photo were present, so the CIA did have a photo of Oswald to share, and could also have easily obtained more had they asked the Navy or FBI.)

If Bustos had found a photo, another question is raised. Was Bustos' picture a true picture of Oswald? Or was it a picture of just another person who was not Oswald? If Bustos' picture was of Oswald, for the CIA to have supplied Goodpasture's "Mystery Man" photo in place of the real photo suggests a deliberate effort to deceive. In that case, Bustos' picture would have to have been "disappeared" by the agency, lest the evidence of their deception come to light. And if Bustos' picture was not Oswald but another man who looked like him, that also suggests a deliberate effort to deceive, as the picture was shown to at least two others within the CIA as evidence that Oswald had been in Mexico City, a point which has never been fully proven. To date, the CIA has taken the only safe road available, claiming (despite multiple accounts to the contrary) that no such picture was ever found.

Anne Goodpasture told Jeremy Gunn of the ARRB that she had worked at one point during her CIA career for James Angleton as a counterintelligence officer, and that it was the CI group that sent her to Mexico City in 1957.8 Asked to explain the difference between CE (counterespionage) and CI (counterintelligence), Goodpasture replied, "Counterespionage was the activity and Counterintelligence was the product."9

From Mexico, Goodpasture had worked on the case of Rudolph Abel,10 a Soviet agent working in New York City and curiously, living one apartment below famed author, FPCC activist and latter-day CIA apologist Norman Mailer.11 Angleton said of Goodpasture, "I personally have had very little dealings with her but my men had had a lot of dealings with her. She was always in on very sensitive cases."12 Goodpasture was also involved with Staff D, which was seriously involved with several coup attempts and assassination plots. To the ARRB, Goodpasture downplayed her involvement in Staff D, claiming that she was simply involved in duplicating and distributing materials.13 However, according to Angleton, Goodpasture was "very close" to Bill Harvey.14

Goodpasture maintained that in 1963 her sole duty was to the Mexico City station and Win Scott.15 Goodpasture tells us that Win Scott was "very, very conservative. He was from Alabama and I think he was a supporter of George Wallace."16

Goodpasture was later to receive a career achievement award on the recommendation of David Atlee Phillips, who cited her for having discovered Oswald at the Cuban embassy. Goodpasture was responsible for delivering the "deep snow"17 photo of the Mexico "Mystery Man". Significantly for our purposes, Goodpasture was also the liaison and in most cases, the sole point of contact, outside of Win Scott, David Phillips, and Scott's deputy, Alan White, to the other agencies of the U.S. government regarding the Mexico City station's CIA operations.18 And like too many others in this small cadre of CIA employees, Goodpasture has trouble remembering the moment of Kennedy's assassination:

    I think I heard about it from a phone call from our outside person on the phone tap operation, and I believe it was around lunchtime when there weren't too many people there and as they all filtered back in, there was office gossip, but I have tried to remember. I've heard so many people say I can remember, I was standing at the telephone or I was in the drugstore, or I was in church and I really don't remember who all were there at the time. Dave Phillips said that someone from the military attaché's office came up and told him about it and I don't remember that....I don't even remember him being in the station at that time.19

According to Eddie Lopez, Goodpasture, in addition to her duties for Scott, ran all of David Phillips' operations. When asked about Phillips' politics, Goodpasture tells a story that remains redacted, a fact especially disturbing when one considers the whole purpose of the ARRB was to release previously classified materials, not to add to the secrets. But from the nature of the testimony around the redacted portion, we can gather that she is giving us some indication that Phillips was not the liberal he painted himself to be. The redaction ends with Goodpasture saying,

    ...but there again, I hate for things like this to be published because there are 2,000 – over 2,000 books already been [sic] written. The thing that they are looking for is something of this type that they can put in the other book to come that will be just short of slander, and I feel that I shouldn't really comment on the personalities for that reason. I don't want my former co-workers or in Phillips' case, his family, to think that I'm trying to project him as a personality that was a show-off or something other than the very sincere wonderful man that they feel that he is....20

Phillips is the CIA man who most closely ties Angleton in the frequency of his appearance in the assassination story. Phillips appears to have been seen in the presence of Oswald by Antonio Veciana.21 And a "Mr. Phillips" who was running CIA operations against Cuba at a time when that was David Phillips' job was seen by Gordon Novel in the presence of Guy Banister and Sergio Arcacha Smith, who were themselves in turn seen with Oswald. Oswald even rented an office in Banister's building that had previously been rented by Sergio Arcacha Smith.22 When the HSCA investigators tracked down the many false "Castro did it" leads, they kept tracing back to assets run by Phillips.23 Dan Hardway, who had much documentation to support that allegation, told Gaeton Fonzi,

    I'm firmly convinced now that he ran the red herring, disinformation aspects of the plot. The thing that got him so nervous was when I started mentioning all the anti-Castro Cubans who were in reports filed with the FBI for the Warren Commission and every one of them had a tie I could trace back to him. That's what got him very upset. He knew the whole thing could unravel.24

Angleton was close friends with Win Scott and ran operations with him. Scott, in turn, was so close to Phillips that he recommended Phillips be his deputy in the Mexico City station while waiting for the next Deputy, Alan White, to arrive.25 Phillips, in turn, connects to JM/WAVE.26 JM/WAVE is another key component in the assassination story, because JM/WAVE trained assassins and participated in some of the plots against Castro. The line between Des FitzGerald's Special Affairs Staff (the replacement for Harvey's Task Force W) and the actions of JM/Wave is blurred. The weekend of the Kennedy assassination, John McCone's executive assistant Walt Elder saw Fitzgerald, and FitzGerald told Elder he had met with Rolando Cubela. He did not tell him that he had given him a poison pen to be used against Castro, nor that he had pretended to be an emissary of Bobby Kennedy's (Helms had told him not to worry, that he would approve that lie). No mention of assassination was made. But Elder had the distinct impression that FitzGerald was particularly upset that weekend. Evan Thomas, in his book The Very Best Men, painted the following scene:

    Elder was struck by FitzGerald's clear discomfort. "Des was normally imperturbable, but he was very disturbed about his involvement." The normally smooth operator was "shaking his head and wringing his hands. It was very uncharacteristic. That's why I remember it so clearly," Elder said in 1993. He thought FitzGerald was "distraught and overreacting."

Des Fitzgerald's wife told author Evan Thomas that the first and last time she ever saw her husband break down in tears was when Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby. Her husband had been upset from the moment of the assassination, and sat silently, watching the news along with millions of others around the globe. When Jack Ruby performed his deed, Fitzgerald began to cry, and said, somewhat cryptically, "Now we'll never know."27 Thomas evidently thinks this has something to do with Cubela. But does it? Cubela later turned out to be a double agent. But when was that known? Was the CIA trying to provoke Castro, knowing Cubela was his agent and planning a plot with him? Was the CIA engaging in a true assassination plot, or a deception they could later refer to in Castro-did-it scenarios?

Angleton's Back Channel?

If one was planning an assassination within CIA, wouldn't it make sense to take some precautions as to what was communicated, and through what channels? We saw in Part I of this article how Bill Harvey stressed, "never use the word 'assassination'" and that nothing should be put on paper. But some communications need to transpire nonetheless to pull an operation of that scale off. According to Anne Goodpasture, Angleton had a back channel to Mexico City, and possibly other stations as well:

    Q: Could you describe the different kinds of channels of communication that Mexico City had with CIA headquarters, and by that I mean cables, dispatches and that sort of thing, if you need—if Mexico City station needed to communicate with headquarters, what would be the different methods that could be done?

    A: Well, there would be cables, there would be dispatches, there would be intelligence reports, there would be attachments, I can't think of anything else.

    Q: For cable communications, was there more than one channel of cables used by CIA to go to headquarters?

    A: I can't really answer that but I think there was what they call back channel [sic], but I don't know the details of it. There again Mr. [Alan] White [, Scott's deputy in the Mexico City station] would be the more knowledgeable on that than I am or someone from communications.

    Q: Have you heard, for example, that CI may have had a back channel, not just in Mexico City but in other stations as well?

    A: Well, there's gossip that I think I have seen or have heard or I don't think I dreamed it, that they discussed things through the back channel, but I'm not sure what that was. You might check—Mr. Helms would be the person who would know.28

So Angleton appeared to have a private channel he could use with Scott and presumably other areas around the world to communicate traffic too sensitive to be seen even by other sworn CIA operatives. And Helms knew about these.

http://www.ctka.net/pr900-ang.html
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#12
December 31, 2009, 07:34:51 PM
An interview with Bruce Adamson

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( The more research on this Von (de) Morenschildt  guy I do, the more it looks like he is Jewish. He was born in the city of Mazyr or Mozyr, BelaRussia. Wikipedia calls this practically a Jewish city of 70% of inhabitants. His Mother Zopalsky (Zopolsky) is likely a Jewish name. SO HE IS LIKELY A JEW BY BIRTH:
Year      Jewish population      Total Population      % Jewish      Notes  
1897    5631    8076    69.73%    Russian Census of 1897

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazyr
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George De Mohrenschildt as born on April 17,1911, in Mozyr in Czarist Russia .(2) . His father,
Sergius Alexander von Mohrenschildt, was a "marshal of nobility"
in Minsk Province, and he served as director of the Nobel interests
in Russia. (03) His mother, Alexandra Zopalsky, was of Russian,
Polish, and Hungarian descent. (4) .

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/h ... Mohren.pdf

His father worked in Rothchild's -Nobel's Baku Oil Fields:

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. For being outspoken, I guess. I remember--the first time I don't remember, frankly. But the second time I remember very well, because this is very interesting. He was seized the first time. Then the Polish Army arrived--the Poles and the Russians were fighting at the time. And at the last moment the Communists released my father, because of the intervention of some friend, you see. And we always had some friends whom we had protected once upon a time, who always came and helped him at the right moment with the Communists, because many Jewish people he had helped became Communists, or halfway Communists. They helped him. And that is how eventually we were able to escape from Soviet Russia.
The first time he was released, the Poles arrived, we were in Poland again, that was a temporary occupation. And then the Poles retreated and the Russians arrived again. And here was the question to decide whether we should go with the Poles or stay in Russia. And my father decided to stay in Russia because being a liberal he had an impression that they have changed.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm

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http://www.youtube.com/user/BruceCAdamson  

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Press release by BRUCE C. ADAMSON 2/16/00

Origin of the Burning Bush; Californian Exposes Bush
Family Ties to JFK Assassination

On Jan 21-22 2000 Russ Tarby
senior editor of the Syracuse Times, New York wrote of
George W. Bush's desire to cover up his dad's part in the
JFK assassination. Tarby wrote:

"More recently, California-based assassination historian
Bruce Campbell Adamson published a ten-volume biography of
the late CIA-connected Dallas petro-geologist George de
Mohrenschildt.

Adamson argues strongly that a relationship existed
between the senior Bush and the shady international
playboy De Mohrenschildt, who was widely regarded as Lee
Harvey Oswald's best friend in Dallas during 1962 and 63.

"Former President George Bush has admitted to me that he
had known George De Mohrenschildt since 1942, Adamson
said, and their relationship continued into the mid-1970s.
And Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt has written to me that Bush
had employed George de Mohren-schildt during the 1950s in
the oil industry."

GEORGE BUSH JR. in 1976 employed Billy Joe Lord. Lord was
Lee Harvey Oswald's roommate on the ship in 1959 when
Oswald defected to the Soviet Union. Lord filed an
affidavit with the FBI against Edward Jay Epstein the last
person to interview de Mohrenschildt before he committed
suicide after Epstein's writers threaten Lord to go to his
employer, hinting that his father was CIA Director.
Lord filed his March 15,1977 FBI complaint against Epstein
and his writers of being CIA agents. Lord had no way of
knowing that Epstein would be the last person to interview
George de Mohrenschildt two weeks later an hour before de
Mohrenschildt placed a shotgun in his mouth to clear his
conscience of his role in the JFK assassination. In 1976
Lord was an employee of Bush Exploration and oil company
in Midland, Texas and would not tolerate being threaten by
Epstein and his writers. They threaten Lord that if he
didn't cooperate they would go to his boss George Bush Jr.
at the time Bush Sr. was CIA Director and corresponding
with George de Mohrenschildt in August of 1976. The
letters between Bush Sr. and de Mohrenschildt are missing
from the CIA records as are more than 200 other Top Secret
Documents while Bush was CIA Director.On May 20, 1963
Oswald's friend, CIA agent George de Mohrenschildt a
$300,000 line of credit from Prescott Bush's banking firm
for a CIA-trust Bank. This was three days before de
Mohrenschildt would met with Vice-President, Lyndon Baines
Johnson for a second time which was before the JFK
assassination.

George Bush Sr. in 1993 admitted to Adamson that he had
known CIA agent de Mohrenschildt since 1942. Hooker and de
Mohrenschildt's were business partners throughout the
1950s. Hooker and George Bush Sr. were roommates at
Andover, Yale and in the Navy. Hooker was a cousin to Mrs.
John D. Rockefeller III.Adamson feels that he can prove
that George Bush Sr.'s Zapata Oil/Off Shore Company was a
CIA-front and that the Bay of Pigs invasion was George
Bush Sr.'s baby."CIA agent George Bush," was briefed on
November 23, 1963 about the JFK assassination by FBI
Director, J.E. Hoover. Adamson also ties de Mohrenschildt
to J. Edgar Hoover's Texas oilmen pals.On November 22nd,
George H.W. Bush called the FBI office in Houston and said
one of his friends told him that "James Parrott" had been
talking about killing Kennedy when he came to
Houston.Thirty years later Parrott worked on Bush's
campaign against Bill Clinton. Does the public deserve an
in-camera investigation?


http://ciajfk.com.
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After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

#13
January 04, 2010, 12:54:33 AM
Details on CIA Agent Cord Meyer and his wife Mary Pinchot (JFK's mistress).  She may have been a plant from everything I can tell.  Angleton is mentioned as breaking into the Cord Meyer's home to get Mary Pinchot's diary.  Funny that we have a former American Communist running Project Mockingbird (CIA infiltration of US/Foreign media) with Cord Meyer.  It is likely he was just another well paid Israeli Puppet- Rothschild Jew Henchman from Wallstreet.

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Mary Pinchot met Cord Meyer in 1944 when he was a US Marine Corps lieutenant who had lost his left eye because of shrapnel injuries received in combat. The two had similar pacifist views and beliefs in world government and married on 19 April 1945. That spring they both attended the UN Conference on International Organization in San Francisco, during which the United Nations was founded, Cord as an aide of Harold Stassen and Pinchot as a reporter for a newspaper syndication service. She later worked for a time as an editor for Atlantic Monthly. Their eldest child Quentin was born in late 1945, followed by Michael in 1947, after which Pinchot became a housewife although she attended classes at the Art Students League of New York.[2]

Cord Meyer became president of the United World Federalists in May 1947 and its membership doubled. Albert Einstein was an enthusiastic supporter and fundraiser. Mary Meyer wrote for the organization's journal. In 1950 their third child Mark was born and they moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts. Meanwhile her husband began to re-evaluate his notions of world government as members of the American Communist Party infiltrated the international organizations he had founded. It is unknown when he first began secretly working with the Central Intelligence Agency but in 1951 Allen Dulles approached Cord Meyer, he became an employee of the CIA and was soon a "principal operative" of Operation Mockingbird, a covert operation meant to sway the print and broadcast media.[2] Mary may also have done some work for the CIA during this time but her tendency towards spur-of-the-moment love affairs reportedly made the agency wary of her.[1]

With her husband's CIA appointment they moved to Washington D.C. and became highly visible members of Georgetown society. Their friends and acquaintances included Joseph Alsop, Katharine Graham, Clark Clifford and Washington Post reporter James Truitt along with his wife, noted artist Anne Truitt. Their social circle also included CIA-affiliated people such as Richard M. Bissell, Jr., high ranking counter-intelligence official James Angleton and Mary and Frank Wisner, Meyer's boss at CIA. In 1953 Senator Joseph McCarthy publicly accused Cord Meyer of being a communist and the FBI was reported to have looked into Mary's political past. Allen Dulles and Frank Wisner aggressively defended Meyer and he remained with the CIA. However, by early 1954 Mary's husband became unhappy with his CIA career and used contacts from his covert operations in Operation Mockingbird to approach several New York publishers for a job but was rebuffed. During the summer of 1954 John F. Kennedy and his wife Jackie Kennedy bought a house not far from where the Meyers lived, Mary and Jackie became friends and "they went on walks together." By the end of 1954 Cord Meyer was still with the CIA and often in Europe, running Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty and managing millions of dollars of US government funds worldwide to support progressive-seeming foundations and organizations.[2]

One of Mary's close friends and classmates from Vassar was Cicely d'Autremont, who married James Angleton.[3] In 1955 Meyer's sister Antoinette (Tony) married Ben Bradlee of The Washington Post. On 18 December 1956 the Meyers' middle son Michael was hit by a car near their house and killed at the age of nine. Although this tragedy brought Mary and Cord closer together for a time, Mary filed for divorce in 1958. Her divorce petition alleged "extreme cruelty, mental in nature, which seriously injured her health, destroyed her happiness, rendered further cohabitation unendurable and compelled the parties to separate."[2]
[edit] Relationship with Kennedy

Mary and her two surviving sons remained in the family home. She began painting again in a converted garage studio at the home of her sister Tony and her husband Ben Bradlee. She also started a close relationship with abstract-minimalist painter Kenneth Noland and grew a friendship with Robert Kennedy, who had purchased his brother's house, Hickory Hill, in 1957. Nina Burleigh in her book A Very Private Woman writes that after the divorce Meyer became "a well-bred ingenue out looking for fun and getting in trouble along the way." "Mary was bad," a friend recalled.[5]

Burleigh claims James Angleton tapped Mary Meyer's telephone after she left her husband. Meanwhile Angleton often visited the family home and took her sons on fishing outings. Mary visited John F. Kennedy at the White House in October 1961 and their relationship became intimate.[3] Mary told Ann and James Truitt she was keeping a diary.[2]

Mary Meyer and John F Kennedy reportedly had "about 30 trysts" and at least one author has claimed she brought marijuana or LSD to almost all of these meetings.[1][2] In January 1963 Philip Graham disclosed the Kennedy-Meyer affair to a meeting of newspaper editors but his claim was not reported by the news media.[2] Timothy Leary later claimed Mary influenced Kennedy's "views on nuclear disarmament and rapprochement with Cuba." In an interview with Nina Burleigh, Kennedy aide Meyer Feldman said, "I think he might have thought more of her than some of the other women and discussed things that were on his mind, not just social gossip." Burleigh wrote, "Mary might actually have been a force for peace during some of the most frightening years of the cold war..."[4]

Claims by Timothy Leary

In 1983 former Harvard University psychology professor Timothy Leary claimed that in the spring of 1962 Meyer, who according to her biographer Nina Burleigh "wore manners and charm like a second skin",[4] told him she was taking part in a plan to avert worldwide nuclear war by convincing powerful male members of the Washington establishment to take mind-altering drugs, which would presumably lead them to conclude that the Cold War was meaningless.[6] According to Leary, Meyer had sought him out for the purpose of learning how to conduct LSD sessions with these powerful men, including, she strongly implied, President John F. Kennedy, who was at that time her lover. According to Leary, Meyer said she had shared in this plan with at least seven other Washington socialite friends who held similar political views and were trying to supply LSD to a small circle of high ranking government officials. Leary also claimed that Meyer had asked him for help while in a state of fear for her own life after the assassination of President Kennedy. (See sections below on Meyer's murder and diary.)

In his biography Flashbacks Leary claimed he had a call from Mary soon after the Kennedy assassination during which she sobbed and said, "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast...They've covered everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm afraid. Be careful."[7] During the summer of 1964 Meyer reportedly told friends she thought someone had gotten into her house while she was not there and later told a friend from Vassar, historian Elizabeth Eisenstein, "she thought she had seen somebody leaving as she walked in."[2]

Meyer's biographer, journalist Nina Burleigh, is the author of articles for The Washington Post, Time Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, and New York Magazine as well several other critically acclaimed books. Although Burleigh does not draw a conclusion as to whether Meyer participated in LSD sessions with President Kennedy or other powerful figures, she also does not dismiss Leary's claims out of hand. Burleigh confirms Meyer's own use of LSD, her involvement with Leary during Leary's tenure at Harvard, and that this involvement occurred at the same time as Meyer's intimate association with President Kennedy. Burleigh also states that the timing of Meyer's visits to Leary coincided with the dates of Meyer's known private meetings with Kennedy. Burleigh writes:

    Mary's visits to Timothy Leary during the time she was also Kennedy's lover suggest that Kennedy knew more about hallucinogenic drugs than the CIA might have been telling him. No one has ever confirmed that Kennedy tried LSD with Mary. But the timing of her visits to Timothy Leary do coincide with her known private meetings with the president.[8]

It should be noted that LSD was not illegal in the U.S. at that time and that its use to facilitate psychotherapy and artistic endeavors was not uncommon in some of Meyer's social circles.[9]

Murder

On 12 October 1964, eleven months after John F. Kennedy's assassination and two weeks after the Warren Commission report was made public, Mary finished a painting and went for a walk along the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal towpath in Georgetown. Mechanic Henry Wiggins was trying to fix a car on Canal Road and heard a woman cry out, "Someone help me, someone help me." Wiggins heard two gunshots and ran to a low wall looking upon the path where he saw "a black man in a light jacket, dark slacks, and a dark cap standing over the body of a white woman."

Meyer's body had two bullet wounds, one at the back of the head and another in her heart. An FBI forensic expert later said "dark haloes on the skin around both entry wounds suggested they had been fired at close-range, possibly point-blank".

Minutes later a disheveled, soaking wet African-American man named Raymond Crump was arrested near the murder scene. No gun was ever found and Crump was never linked to any gun of the type used to murder Mary Meyer. Newspaper reports described her former husband only as either an author or government official and did not mention Kennedy, although many journalists apparently were aware of Meyer's past marriage to a high ranking CIA official and her friendship with Kennedy.

When Crump came to trial, judge Howard Corcoran ruled Mary Meyer's private life could not be disclosed in the courtroom. Corcoran had recently been appointed by president Lyndon Baines Johnson. Mary's background was also kept from Dovey Johnson Roundtree, Crump's lawyer, who later recalled she could find out almost nothing about the murder victim: "It was as if she existed only on the towpath on the day she was murdered." Crump was acquitted of all charges on 29 July 1965 and the murder remains unsolved (Crump went on to what has been described as an "horrific" life of crime).[2][5][10]
[edit] Diary

In March 1976 James Truitt told the National Enquirer Meyer was having an affair with Kennedy when he was assassinated. Truitt said Meyer had told his wife Ann she was keeping a diary (which some sources have described as a sketchbook with some written text) and had asked her to retrieve it "if anything ever happened" to her. Ann Truitt, who was living in Tokyo when Meyer was murdered, called both James Angleton and Mary's brother in law Ben Bradlee at home and asked him if he had found the diary. Bradlee later said, "We didn't start looking until the next morning, when Tony [Mary's sister] and I walked around the corner a few blocks to Mary's house. It was locked, as we had expected, but when we got inside, we found James Angleton, and to our complete surprise he told us he, too, was looking for Mary's diary."[3]

Angleton said he knew about Mary's intimate friendship with Kennedy and was looking for the diary and anything else which might have information about the affair. Later at Mary's art studio by the Bradlee home Ben and Antoinette again found Angleton, trying to pick a padlock. After he left, Antoinette found the diary and many letters in a metal box. These were given to Angleton, who later claimed he burned the diary, in which he said Mary Meyer wrote she and Kennedy had taken LSD before "they made love."[2] However, Bradlee wrote they later learned Angleton had not burned the diary: Bradlee's wife Tony got it back from Angleton and burned the document herself while Ann Truitt watched. Those who did read the diary reportedly said it confirmed Meyer's intimate friendship with Kennedy but gave no suggestion it contained any information about his assassination.[3]
[edit] Cord Meyer's later statements about the murder

Cord Meyer left the CIA in 1977. In his autobiography Facing Reality: From World Federalism to the CIA he wrote, "I was satisfied by the conclusions of the police investigation that Mary had been the victim of a sexually motivated assault by a single individual and that she had been killed in her struggle to escape." However his former personal assistant Carol Delaney later claimed, "Mr. Meyer didn't for a minute think that Ray Crump had murdered his wife or that it had been an attempted rape. But, being an Agency man, he couldn't very well accuse the CIA of the crime, although the murder had all the markings of an in-house rubout."

In February 2001 writer C. David Heymann asked Cord Meyer about Mary Pinchot Meyer's murder and he replied, "My father died of a heart attack the same year Mary was killed. It was a bad time." When asked who had murdered Mary Pinchot Meyer the retired CIA official, six weeks before his own death from lymphoma, reportedly "hissed" back, "The same sons of bitches that killed John F. Kennedy."[2]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_Meyer


After the war, Meyer was a strong advocate of World government. He was an aide of Harold Stassen to the 1945 San Francisco UN Conference and in 1947, was elected president of the United World Federalists, the organization he helped to found.
[edit] CIA career

In about 1949 he started working for the Central Intelligence Agency, joining the organization in 1951 at the invitation of Allen Dulles. At first he worked at the Office of Policy Coordination under former OSS man, Frank Wisner.[4] In 1953 Meyer came under attack by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), which claimed he was a security risk for having once stood at the same podium of a "notorious leftist" and refused to give him a security clearance. An internal CIA inquiry summarily dismissed the claims.[5] According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Operation Mockingbird's "principal operative".[6] Meyer befriended James Jesus Angleton, who in 1954 became the CIA's counter-intelligence chief. From 1954 until 1962 Meyer was head of the agency's international organizations division.[7] In 1959 Meyer's 9-year-old son Michael was hit by a car and killed. Meyer divorced his wife Mary shortly thereafter. Meyer headed the Covert Action Staff of the Directorate of Plans from 1962.[4] In 1964 his former wife Mary Pinchot Meyer was shot dead by an unknown assailant alongside the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal.[8] Her sister and brother-in-law Benjamin C. Bradlee, the later Washington Post executive, caught Angleton breaking into Pinchot's residence. Angleton apparently was looking for Mary Meyer's diary, which contained details of a love affair with John F. Kennedy, the U.S. President.[5][9]

From 1967 to 1973 Meyer was Assistant Deputy Director of Plans under Thomas Karamessines.[3][8] After a posting as CIA station chief in London, Meyer left the CIA in 1977 and became a syndicated columnist. He also wrote several books, including an autobiography. He was long incorrectly considered by some to be Deep Throat[10].

Writer C. David Heymann in The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003) told of Meyer's response when, near the end of his life, he was asked to comment on his wife's still unsolved murder case:

    Meyer held court at the beginning of February 2001 - six weeks before his death - in the barren dining room of a Washington nursing home. Propped up in a chair, his glass eye bulging, he struggled to hold his head aloft. Although he was no longer able to read, the nurses supplied him with a daily copy of The Washington Post, which he carried with him wherever he went. "My father died of a heart attack the same year Mary was killed," he whispered. "It was a bad time." And what could he say about Mary Meyer? Who had committed such a heinous crime? "The same sons of bitches," he hissed, "that killed John F. Kennedy."[11]

He died of lymphoma on March 13, 2001.

Possible Ties to Kennedy Assassination

In 2007 the son of former CIA agent and Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt came forward with recordings and other documentation in which his father, on his death bed, claimed Meyer organized the assassination of John F. Kennedy at the behest of then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson. The audio recordings contain further allegations that prior to the assassination, JFK had taken Meyer's ex-wife as one of his mistresses.[12]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pinchot_Meyer
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

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January 04, 2010, 12:59:05 AM
I found this a pretty decent summary of the facts. It looks like Cord Meyer could have been a Jew along with Frank Wisner (Southern Jew from Laurel, Mississippi: "Jews first came to Laurel, Mississippi in the 1890s, not long after the town was founded in Mississippi's pine belt."
http://www.isjl.org/history/archive/ms/laurel.htm )

Much as WWI and WWII were orchestrated Rothschild-Jew "shows" to create the Zionist Nation of Israel along with the deaths of Millions of Goyim --  all the State "Intelligence Agencies" were created or compromised in Germany/UK/US/Russia/Middle East from the 1880s to the 1940s  by Jews and half-Jews to solidify control over national "leaders". I'm fully convinced that like in any "Jew Run" company, the Goyim are employed to serve their particular purpose but not to control. The goyim in these Intelligence Agencies only exist to serve the Protocols of the Elder of Zion that Rothschild-Zionist leaders penned after the 1883 meeting between Zionist Charles Taze Russell and Baron Rothschild in France.

The Removal of "Kings" - The Creation of Revolutionary Groups (Bolsheviks-Young Turks) - The Creation of Global Jew Run Banks - Imperialism - The World Wars - The Intelligence Services (including Bnai-Brith and ADL)  - The destruction of Nationalism - The compromise of Oil Nations - The Acquisition of Zion in the Middle East - The Population of Zion - The Globalization of Goyim - The Arab Israeli Wars - The Assassination of Nationalist-Communist Leaders post WWII - The Weapons Programs - The killing of Kennedy - 9/11 - Economic Turmoil --- these actions are all a part of the Zionist-Rothschild Orchestration derived mainly from the Jew Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I'll state again, Kennedy was killed by a coterie of Jews and traitorous Jew Henchmen.  I think Cord Meyer and Mary Pinchot Meyer were "Soviet"-Jew controlled spies just like James Jesus Angleton.  They all worked together like an "Orchestra"... to further the Creation of Israel and hence a "World Global Government". The biggest Ace was the build up of the Nazis Party by Jew money and NY Jew henchmen like the Bush Family. (Note this is no longer accurate -- I've found evidence to the contrary. --CSR)

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QuoteMary Pinchot Meyer was divorced from Cord Meyer, a high CIA official in the Kennedy administration, and became a painter of well-regarded abstract paintings in a garage studio at the home of her sister, Toni, and her husband Ben Bradlee. Nina Burleigh, her biographer, described her as "a well-bred ingnue out looking for fun and getting in trouble along the way." The late James Jesus Angleton, the longtime chief of counterintelligence at the CIA, was a friend who occasionally took her two sons fly-fishing.




QuoteMany have proclaimed that there was a Nazi connection to the JFK assassination because Reinhard Gehlen was an "ex-nazi" who then joined the OSS after the war.

The fact is: Gehlen was a Zionist (Mossad) agent inside NS germany, so that was perfectly logical for him to join the OSS, which was filled with Zionist agents!


Michael Collins Piper debunked this "Nazi connection" disinformation in his book Final Judgment:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8546122/Micha ... l-Judgment
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Final_Judgment.pdf
http://www.amfirstbooks.com/catalog/pro ... ucts_id=17
Amazon.com: Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy (9780974548401): Michael Collins Piper: Books

Quote10-11-2009, 04:33 AM
It appears from all I have gathered that international jewry, and the zionists in particular, became devout anti-Soviets at Stalin's purges of Jewish influence in the USSR. Yet the Jewish purging does not negate the fact that they were instrumental in bringing the Soviets to power. Hence, we have many "cold warriors" who were of Jewish extraction.

The current-day Trotskyist neocons were also hatched from a Jewish communist power struggle in the U.S.

The cold warriors and their policies were the antithesis of what the U.S. truly needed in the immediate aftermath of World War II. It has been their public (federal) and private (corporate) programs that have bankrupted America.

You might research the names Frank Wisner and Cord Meyer; both were OSS men.

The trail is somewhat murky, but Cord Meyer's father was a real estate magnate in New York City, founder of Cord Meyer Development Company.
Cord Meyer's wife, Mary Pinchot, was a confidant of Jack Kennedy. She was found murdered in Georgetown.

Frank Wisner's family was from Mississippi. They were in the lumber industry. And Jews were indeed in the lumber industry in the South.

"Although specific information on Wisner's ethnic background is elusive, he came from Laural, Mississippi, where there is a hundred year old synagogue - not something one finds in many Mississippi towns. And, given that there has been a president of the Council of US Jewish Federations by the name of Maynard Wisner, it is a reasonable assumption that Frank Wisner was of Jewish origins." - Source (http://www.charliewilsonswarts.com/)

Wisner's son was an executive at both Enron and more recently AIG. He is also trustee at The Rockefellers Brothers Fund.

Here are a few links to get you started:

Cord Meyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_Meyer)

Frank Wisner (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwisner.htm)

The Secret Parts Of Fortune (http://books.google.com/books?id=YikLNb ... r.&f=false)

The Mighty Wurlitzer (http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/8425/CIAPRESS.HTM)


Secret War Against The Jews (http://books.google.com/books?id=trU7nY ... sh&f=false)

Frank Wisner II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_G._Wisner) (sometimes Jr.)

Frank Wisner, Jr. (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Frank_Wisner)

OSS (http://books.google.com/books?id=uLo2Ym ... sh&f=false)

After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan
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