Doing my daily Jew news patrol, yet another story of intrest.

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Former guard says Demjanjuk was at Nazi camp


MUNICH (AP) - John Demjanjuk served as a guard at a Nazi concentration camp in Bavaria during World War II, a former Soviet soldier who was taken prisoner by the Germans testified at the retired Ohio autoworker's trial Wednesday.

But witness Alex Nagorny, who agreed to serve the Nazis after his capture, raised doubts about the case against Demjanjuk, telling the court the man on trial in Munich state court didn't look like his fellow guard at the Flossenbuerg camp.

Prosecutors allege that, like Nagorny, Demjanjuk agreed to serve the Germans and was trained at the Trawniki SS camp before being sent to work as a camp guard.

Demjanjuk, 89, is accused of serving as a guard at the Sobibor death camp in occupied Poland, and charged as an accessory to the murder of 27,900 Jews there.

Demjanjuk denies ever serving as a camp guard anywhere, saying he has been mistaken for someone else.

However, Nagorny told the Munich state court that he knew Demjanjuk from the Flossenbuerg camp.

"We were brought there and Ivan was already there," the 92-year-old testified, referring to Demjanjuk by his birth name. "He was a guard there. He did the same thing I did. I did not know him before Flossenbuerg."

Nagorny has previously told investigators he arrived at Flossenbuerg with Demjanjuk.

Nagorny testified he lived with Demjanjuk in a barracks room in Flossenbuerg and then shared an apartment with him in Landshut, Germany, after the war.

But when asked to identify Demjanjuk in the courtroom, he could not.

Nagorny walked over to the bed where Demjanjuk lay and looked at him closely. When Demjanjuk removed the sunglasses that he was wearing, Nagorny said quickly: "That's definitely not him—no resemblance."

Demjanjuk has already been the victim of mistaken identify once, when he was tried in the 1980s in Israel on accusations he was the notoriously brutal guard "Ivan the Terrible" at the Treblinka extermination camp.

His conviction and death sentence were overturned when it was determined someone else was that guard.

Nagorny did not recognize a picture of Demjanjuk from the Israel trial.

He also called into question a key piece of evidence—a Trawniki identity card that prosecutors say has a picture of Demjanjuk on it, and indicates he worked at Sobibor.

Nagorny testified that in the final days of the war he was with Demjanjuk and other Trawniki guards, and that they destroyed their cards before being taken prisoner by the Americans.

"Some burned them and some threw them away," he told the court. "I burned my ID card."

The defense has claimed the card is a postwar forgery by the Soviets.

Nagorny's testimony shows that "it couldn't have been found by the Russians in Trawniki" as has been claimed, defense attorney Ulrich Busch told the AP.

Although Demjanjuk isn't charged with any crimes at Flossenbuerg, Nagorny's statement that they were guards there is important, said Thomas Walther, who led the investigation that prompted Germany to prosecute Demjanjuk.

"Here is a living witness who can say, 'I was a Trawniki man and with me was Demjanjuk who was also a Trawniki man,'" Walther told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the trial. "That's important here because Demjanjuk says he was not a Trawniki (man)."

Demjanjuk maintains he was a Soviet soldier who was captured by the Germans and spent most of the rest of the war in prison camps.

Millions of Soviet prisoners died in German captivity and, while denying that Demjanjuk ever served as a guard, the defense has argued those who agreed to serve the Nazis had no choice.

Nagorny, another Ukrainian native, testified that didn't know he would be used as a camp guard when he agreed to work for the Nazis.

"I was simply asked if I wanted to work and I was hungry," he testified. "That was all."

The special German prosecutors' office responsible for investigating Nazi-era crimes is investigating Nagorny himself to see whether he might have served at the Treblinka death camp.

There is evidence implicating a "Nagorny" as having served as a Treblinka guard, but investigators have said it is unclear whether it is the same person.

Prosecutors argue that to have served at one of the Nazi death camps in occupied Poland—whose sole purpose was extermination—is enough to accuse someone of accessory to murder.

The argument does not extend to those who served at concentration camps like Flossenbuerg where, though scores were killed or died through inhumane treatment, people were not necessarily sent simply to be murdered.

[Christopher Marlowe]

The argument does not extend to those who served at concentration camps like Flossenbuerg where, though scores were killed or died through inhumane treatment, people were not necessarily sent simply to be murdered.

Then there should be no trial because it is all horsesh*t.

israel almost killed Demjanjuk already for being Ivan the Terrible. Here's what it says in Wikipedia:

In October 1983, israel issued an extradition request for Demjanjuk to stand trial on israeli soil under the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law of 1950. Demjanjuk appealed his deportation with the case heard on 8 July 1985.During the appeal, the authenticity of the identity card was questioned when it was revealed that the cards number, 1393, had been issued in June/July of 1942 with the seal of SS Commissioner, Odilo Globocnik, who had in fact been dismissed from this post in March of 1942 at which time his seal was destroyed. The three identity cards supplied by the KGB that the experts had used to compare their paper and ink with Demjanjuk's card to prove its authenticity were also disputed. Among other issues such as graphic inconsistencies, the cards, all dated 1942, carried Waffen SS stamps despite them not taking control of the Trawniki until 1943. Two bore the signature of Corporal Teufel when he was at that time a Sergeant while the other card, which had been issued earlier in the year when Teufel was still a Corporal, had his rank listed as Sergeant. The cards were also signed by Captain Hermann Hoefle, who was actually a Major. The court ruled on this claim: the record before us lends no support to this very serious charge, and we reject it. Witnesses fully qualified to testify on the subject stated their opinions that the Trawniki documents were authentic. Even if this documentary evidence had been rejected, the eyewitness evidence alone was found sufficient. Since the district court did not rely on the "Trawniki card," its validity is not before the court.

So the physical evidence was FULL OF FLAWS, which is what you would expect to find with fraudulent evidence, and they still deported him?

Wikipedia continues:

Prosecutors claimed that Demjanjuk volunteered to collaborate with the Germans and was sent to the camp at Trawniki, where he was trained to guard prisoners and was given a firearm, a uniform, and an ID card with his photograph. The principal allegation was that three former prisoners identified Demjanjuk as "Ivan Grozny" (Polish for "Ivan the Terrible") of Treblinka, who operated the diesel engines sending gas to the death chamber.

Holy shit! How did he make diesel engines produce deadly gas? Here's what Wikipedia has to say about diesel engines:

The carbon monoxide content of the exhaust is minimal, therefore diesel engines are used in underground mines.

It is unfortunate that the Germans didn't try to exterminate the 6 billion Jews in underground mines, because then no one would have died. It is also unfortunate that no one in israel cannot look up "diesel engine" on the f*cking wikipedia.

Wiki continues:

On April 18, 1988, the court found Demjanjuk guilty of all charges. One week later it sentenced him to death by hanging. Demjanjuk was placed in solitary confinement during the appeals process.

On July 29, 1993, five Israeli Supreme Court judges overturned the guilty verdict on appeal. Their ruling was based on the written statements of 37 former guards at Treblinka that identified Ivan the Terrible as "Ivan Marchenko."  US officials had originally been aware, without informing Demjanjuk's attorneys, of the testimony of two of these German guards.

Prosecutorial misconduct much?

The court judgment also addressed evidence against Demjanjuk that was not included in his indictment.

Due Process, Shmue Process
 

The judges agreed that Demjanjuk most likely served as a Nazi Wachmann (guard) in the Trawniki unit and had been posted at Sobibor extermination camp and two other camps. Evidence to assist this claim included an Identification card from Trawniki bearing Demjanjuk's picture and his exact personal information — allegedly found in the Soviet archives — in addition to German documents that mentioned Wachmann Demjanjuk and mentioned his date and place of birth. The 1949 statement of another Wachmann (Denilchenko), identified Demjanjuk in passing as someone who served with him at Sobibor in 1944 (a year after the camp was razed) and noted he had been born the same year as himself (1923).

Demjanjuk was born in 1920.

After Demjanjuk's acquittal, the Israeli Attorney General decided to release him rather than to pursue charges of committing crimes at Sobibor. Ten petitions against the decision were made to the Supreme Court. On August 18, 1993, the court rejected the petitions on the grounds that (1) the principle of double jeopardy would be infringed, (2) that new charges would be unreasonable given the seriousness of those of which he had been acquitted, (3) that conviction on the new charges would be unlikely, and (4) that Demjanjuk was extradited from the United States specifically to stand trial for offenses attributed to Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka, and not for other alternative charges.

So what has changed? The Supreme Court of israel [that's funny when you say it out loud...it's like "the wise council of Retardedland"] already decided that trying Demjanjuk on these charges would put him in twice in jeopardy of life and limb for the same offense.  So now they are charging him on the same offenses AGAIN! Would that be like double-double jeopardy, so it cancels out?
I guess this is why the zionist vampires are trying Demjanjuk in Germany instead of israel: because their highest court has already called this double jeopardy. (I am assuming the supreme court is the highest court in israel, but their might be "High Court of Esteemed Clowns" or perhaps an "Esteemed Vizier of Magicland".)

Demjanjuk was released to return to the United States. In 1993, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Demjanjuk was a victim of fraud on the court, as United States federal government trial lawyers with the Office of Special Investigations had recklessly failed to disclose evidence, and his US citizenship was restored. In a report submitted to the Sixth Circuit prior to the Israeli acquittal, federal judge Thomas Wiseman, Jr. concluded that American federal officials had erred in asserting that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible, but that evidence instead pointed to Demjanjuk being a lesser SS agent.

Do you think that Judge Wiseman is perhaps Jewish? And perhaps his Jewishocity influenced Wiseman's ability to recognize the obvious  fact that Demjanjuk had been indicted on the basis of really bad evidence?  Why was Wiseman unable to see that Demjanjuk had ALMOST BEEN HUNG on the basis of that fake evidence?

How did this come about? israel had sketchy documents that Demjanjuk was both Ivan the Terrible and some minor SS agent? The documents are not consistent with the facts; and those documents origins are not self authenticating, but rather the opposite: the stamp was issued by one shown to have been out of office at the time of its issue. There is no recorded chain of evidence for the documents, and they were submitted by a agency known for fraud. The eyewitness testimony is conflicting, and also inconsistent with the known facts.

The story behind the evidence placing Demjanjik at Sobibor is kind of funny, unless you are Demjanjuk. (I'm got the following story from the Nizkor site, which along with Wikipedia is pro-zionist, so I'm using the zionist's own evidence).

Demjanjuk's Israeli attorney, Yoram Sheftel, introduced testimony by Ignat Danielchenko. Danielchenko was a guard at the Sobibor death camp....Danielchenko stated, "I saw Mr. Demjanjuk escorting prisoners in all phases, from the unloading of the trains to the entrance to the gas chamber."
While such testimony would seem to put Demjanjuk in harm's way, its purpose was to protect him. Sheftel's goal was to place Demjanjuk somewhere other than Treblinka during the time in question. Demjanjuk was charged with having committed crimes against humanity as a death camp guard known as 'Ivan the Terrible' of Treblinka. He could only be tried for crimes committed under this identity. A principle of law known as the doctrine of speciality prevents Israel from trying Demjanjuk for any crime other than the specific crime for which he was extradited. For this reason, proving Demjanjuk participated in the murder of civilians at Sobibor during the time in question did not hurt his case.

So the israeli "defense" attorney provided evidence that Demjanjuk could not be Ivan the Terrible, by providing an eyewitness who swore that Demjanjuk was a prison guard who escorted the innocents into the homicidal gas chambers. That's exactly what I would expect from an israeli defense lawyer: "Your honor, my client couldn't have murdered trillions of innocent Jews in camp A because he was busy murdering a google-plex of Jews in camp B!"

And now they are trying Demjanjuk on the basis of that evidence?

(And the clown state of israel was going to hang Demjanjuk until Congressman James Traficant stepped up and showed that the US had withheld exonerating evidence. And for this Traficant was attacked by those same pernicious, sneaky bastards, and convicted on trumped up charges. Now all the Congressmen are afraid of the zionists because israel basically said: "Look what we did to that punk bitch Traficant. And we'll do the same to you too, so don't even think about it. Who are you looking at? I thought so. Go make your daddy a sandwich.")

Here's what Time magazine wrote back in '93, when Demjanjuk got released:

Nazi hunters expect any outcome to be bad news for them. The case, says Efraim Zuroff, the Simon Wiesenthal Center's coordinator of Nazi war-crimes research, has seriously challenged the testimonial value of Holocaust survivors and made it "incredibly difficult" to press for the prosecution of Nazi war criminals worldwide.

When you read "Nazi hunter", think: "90 to 100 year old man hunter".  
And when you read " testimonial value of Holocaust survivors", think: the steam off of my piss.

The recent spate of "Holocaust Memoirs" that were recently exposed at fakes, (e.g. "Misha: A Memoir of the Holocaust Years" by Misha Defonesca, about her time as a little girl escaping from the Nazis and living with wolves; and "Angel at the Fence" by Herman Rosenblat who survived a German concentration camp, thanks to the girl who threw him food over the fence, whom he later married, and now she throws food at him across the kitchen) makes me wonder: how bad does a holohoax story have to be before it is openly called a fraud?  The old stories about the hoax have been shown to be riddled with numerous holes: diesel engines, soap made from human fat, human skin lamps, no bodies buried where there should be gazillions of bodies, memoirs written with non-existent ball point pens....  But the hoax is still strong enough to hold an old man to account TWICE for the same crime on obviously fraudulent evidence.
Keep in mind that Demjanjuk is being charged with merely being a guard at the camp:

Prosecutors argue that to have served at one of the Nazi death camps in occupied Poland—whose sole purpose was extermination—is enough to accuse someone of accessory to murder.

IMHO, all of these holohoax show trials are like having a pretend tea with a demented little girl: You don't know if there is tea in your cup, or what her dolls say, but you just play along.

And then kill the old man.