"Masonic Media Agents"?

[ahaze]

I hate to ask this (and half-struggle to do so with a straight face :eh: ), but are you guys real live "Masonic Media Agents"?

The reason I have to ask pertains to the following blurb I've stumbled across:

Ognir

* "New Temporal Coadjutors have been recently dug up they are Ognir / Noel (reverse of "Ringo" - perhaps as in Ringo Star) and Joe Blow (Joe Blowman), they will distort the truth and always blame the Jews and they are also Roman Catholics, another reason for suspicion, they are very good friends with Daryl Bradford Smith and Prothink. Ognir and Joeblowman's site is theinfounderground.com and is filled with disinfo agents and Jew Baiters".

The source of this statement is a bit obscure and deals in a trove of information about shadow government, secret history and covert science.  The site in question has provided some interesting clues about various topics flowing through the under water web, and I think if I can get straight on this point of whether or not The Information Underground is Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic connected then a few other pieces of information could fit together.

Since I know if you guys are real Masonic Media Agents you probably don't want to divulge so on your own forum, we can treat the whole question as a rhetorical opening for simply exploring the aspect of Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic interest in the geo-political power play and how that does or doesn't stand to compliment or conflict with the presents the Zionists want to bestow.  Likewise I'll understand if nobody wants to dignify the Masonic Media Agent assertion with a response, but I am curious how The Information Underground views Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic interests and how their agendas fit or don't fit with Zionist interests.

[VoltaXebec]

Please post a link to the source. I'm curious.

My advice is you really have to try and work out the answers to your questions yourself. How? Research and common sense.  

[ahaze]

Please post a link to the source. I'm curious.

_http://www.wikicompany.com/wiki/911:Masonic_media_agents

That's just one page of a fruit salad of wildly swinging disclosures.

My advice is you really have to try and work out the answers to your questions yourself. How? Research and common sense.  

The "common sense" factor underpinned my rhetorical on how Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic agenda keeping compliments or conflicts with Zionist agenda keeping.  Is there "common sense" between the keepers of these ideologies?  Where is the "common sense" amidst the masses these ideologies hold sway over?

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to the question whether The Information Underground represent Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic interests based on a couple of other discussions examining the Vatican within the forum.  I'm looking to corroborate my understanding by directly investigating the allegation here partly based on the confidence I gained from those discussions.  In so doing I sense that the information made available by the site in question stands to shed more light on the information games.  Even so I have no illusions about virtually everyone on the planet falling victim to ideological extremists (in one form or another) corrupting common sense.

[VoltaXebec]

Thanks for the link ahaze

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This is an Anti-Mason in France.  

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Bernard Faÿ

"The director of the Bibliothèque national, Bernard Fay, was appointed 'delegate of the French government to liquidate masonic lodges', with a separate registry of France's fifty thousand Freemasons and a dedicated unit to police them. In October 1940, an exhibition on Freemasonry—the Exposition Maçonnique — was opened at the Petit Palais, attracting over a million visitors in Paris and when it toured the provinces, come to gawp at aprons and triangles and the revealed names of those who really ran things." 3    
   
April 3, 1893- December 5, 1978

French historian and Nazi collaborator under the Vichy government, Prof. Bernard Marie Louis Faÿ was responsible for the arrest or death of almost a thousand freemasons.

Appointed Professor of History at the University of Clermont-Ferrand in 1922, he later chaired the Department of American Civilization at the Collège de France. He travelled in the United States where, under the pretext of preparing a book on Benjamin Franklin, he was given access to several Grand Lodge libraries.1

Named general administrator of the Bibliothèque nationale on August 6, 1940, and later appointed head of the Bureau des Sociétés Secrètes by the Vichi government in 1941, Faÿ took possession of the headquarters of the Grand Orient of France, organized an anti-masonic exposition in the Petit Palais in October and November 1941, and was directly responsible for the interrogation of some 6,000 freemasons, resulting in the deportation of 989 freemasons to concentration camps and the death of 545 freemasons by firing squad, gas chamber, or captivity.2

Although not credited, he provided much of the information for the short film Forces Occultes, Vichy France's attempt at Nazi propaganda, accusing French freemasons and Jews of deliberately pushing France into war against Germany.

In December 1946 Faÿ was tried, found guilty, and sentenced to perpetual hard labour by the Court of Justice of the Seine. On 30 September 1951 he escaped and fled to Switzerland.4 Pardened in 1953, he continued his writing career.
Anti-mason
   
1. Franklin, the apostle of modern times, Boston : Little, Brown and Co., 1929. 547 pp. The Bulletin of the Grand Lodge of Iowa noted: "This volume cannot be trusted, because in a section of one of its chapters, one devoted to Franklin as a Freemason, almost every statement of fact is questionable." In New Republic R. M. Lovett described the book as "dilute and mediocre", also questioning some of the allegedly documented statements of fact, wondering if they were not really speculation "which might well be spared."
A later book, Revolution and Freemasonry, 1680-1800 (1935) demonstrated a similar disregard for masonic historical facts. In New York Herald Tribune Books, in reviewing Revolution and Freemasonry, H. S. Commager commented that "M. Faÿ ... will have his little joke. . . . as fascinating a piece of historical sophistry as has appeared in many a year." Still another book, Louis XVL or The End of a World, failed to convince any of its reviewers of its revisionist thesis; as C. A. Gilozzo pointed out in Best Seller, knowledge of the "major historians of the French Revolution" was "sorely lacking."
2. Court Records of the ten-day trial held in Paris, beginning 25 November 1946, Judge Ledoux, presiding magistrate. See : "Anti-Masonry" Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, page 61; Cerza, "A Masonic Reader's Guide", Transactions of the Missouri Lodge of Research, volume 34, 1978-1979, p. 164; Denslow, Freemasonry in the Eastern Hemisphere, p. 178. Cf. : "The information led to the deportation of 520 French Freemasons and the death of 117." Reflections, Volume 19 No 19 May 2002. editor : Nisar Sarwar.
3. Michael Burleigh , The Third Reich - A New History. New York : Hill and Wang, 2000. hc 995 pp. p. 471.
4. La Chaîne d'Union, No. 2, 13th Year 1951-1952, p. 90, citing Le Monde No. 2.081, 4 October 1951. Cf. : "After the war, Fay was sentenced by a war crimes tribunal to life in prison. In 1953, after serving seven years, he was pardoned by presidential decree." Reflections .Volume 19 No 19 May 2002. editor, Nisar Sarwar. vreflect.com/may2002/amazing.html. "...on last reports was serving a life sentence in France...." Twentieth Century Authors, First Supplement. A Biographical Dictionary of Modern Literature, Ed., Stanley J. Kunitz. New York : The H. W. Wilson Company, 1955. Further citations are available here.

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography ... fay_b.html

[VoltaXebec]

With regard to the wikicompany link the author of that piece calls Eric Jon Phelps and Greg Szymanski "excellent researchers".

Enough said.

[VoltaXebec]

The debate between Michael Collins Piper and Eric Jon Phelps (Jesuits v Zionists)

http://www.911underground.com/Israel_an ... Debate.MP3

[scorpio]

Voltaxebec - Thanks for the MCP EJP link....should be entertaining to hear MCP rip that  shill a new one.  

[ahaze]

The debate between Michael Collins Piper and Eric Jon Phelps (Jesuits v Zionists)

http://www.911underground.com/Israel_an ... Debate.MP3

Thanks for calling this interview out VoltaXebec :!:   I think it provides a perfect summation of  conflicting disclosures evident in considering the information on the site accusing TIU of being a Masonic Media Agent.  I'm planning on listening through again to get clear on a couple of points but it sounded to me like both Phelps and Piper upheld their perspectives, though it was evident Phelps has some blind spots.  

I got the sense Piper was running a bit hot on overconfidence and failed to acknowledge a couple of key realities that Phelps and the radio host brought up.  Such as various references to known Knights of Malta, property holdings of the Vatican (including the old city of Jerusalem), and how immediately after the assassination of president Lincoln US diplomatic relations with the Vatican were cut off and not reinstated until Reagan.

I think Piper makes the stronger case for a Zionist ruling authority, however I think he does his position a disservice by failing to acknowledge Jesuit controlling interests.

Ultimately I think the interview brilliantly highlights how CIA/Mossad are two sides of the same coin with the real conflict lying in understanding who's heads and who's tails.

[MikeWB]

Masons haven't been in charge for over 100 years. Whenever I hear "Masons" coming out of someone's mouth, I know they're neophytes who haven't studied conspiracies. He who controls the central bank controls the country... and I don't see Masons in charge of banks. It's as simple as that. Masonic conspiracy is just another bullshit used to deflect the blame from the Zionism. It's bullshit like "german death cult", "venitian black nobility" or whatever the latest disinfo is coming from jewish "truth tellers".



Off to Nonsense.