Just who is "Catch22"? and more...

[Helphand]

Who is "Catch22"  e.g. podcast of 190310.mp3 (there talking at his sounding board the Dutchman "Chronic")?
Is he Sheffielder Paul Joseph Watson (despite using in his podcasts the moniker of "Steve")? Are they by any chance related? Catch22 appears also for instance in TiU.Radio.5th.April.2009.Part1.mp3 Sunday saying he was at the BOE demo flashing an infounderground placard. Here is another one, interesting title I thought:
Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:21 am. TiU Radio 29th Nov 09 guest Steve NO TO ISLAM (mp3) ... *Live*Catch22 Radio Rothschilds,GoldmanSachs,Global Strike ..."
theinfounderground.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=35

Basically he sounds to me like a crypto.

This guy says he is not Jewish but from his verbal mannerisms, his lisping vocalisation, intonation and content, he scores 98% on the crypto-jew detector scale. From the 22190310 mp3:

@46mins appx: he says Jesus Christ licked the bush of honey and so became illuminated (sic). But a word search for honey, lick, bush, suck of the New Testament brings up no relevant match. The indignant Jewish spirit railing against the mamzer cannot control itself?

@58.50 appx: "isn't that odd" comes out as "isn't that odt".

@1hr appx: There are lie detectors at israeli airports ... [rapid double-take] that's how I first heard about it: it was on presstv.ir...

@1.08mins appx: "I have seen anti zionist Jews taking a good beating up in Israel." Bigging up the myth that Jews are not generally supportive of their leaders and somehow despise "being on the winning team"?

@1.16mins appx: "Lo and behold" becomes "Lo and beholdt"

@1.24mins appx: "please bear in mind" becomes "please bear in mindt"

If he just said he is Jewish (racial/religious/ethnic/cultural/whatever other cup the pea is under on that day) and put his case whether or not pro or anti-Zionist I'd happily give him a hearing. But based on his performances I have witnessed I am thinking this guy is covert ops. If so time listening to him could be better spent educating yourself on how to spot fakes. For example, by listening to ALL the Goyfire broadcasts at

http://www.goyfire.com
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/goyfire.

-- or if site(s) temporarily down just search for Goyfire mp3.

Disregard the stupid hyperbolic rants there about Blacks, Mestizos and other alleged vectors of loxist racial Jewish animosity and listen closely to the residue. They may be another Fed sting designed to get a sectionalised society warring on itself but that doesn't negative the closely observed analysis of the racially supremacist agenda of organised Jewry and how society is being taken down; their  sayanim and shabbas goyim collaborationists; all of which facts you can verify elsewhere.

OK I may be feelin' mean but I don't like being kept in the dark and being fed sh*t.

PS to rant: I note there is a growing trend on TiU/TFC/Ugly Truth/Liberty Hour to interview Jewish perceived "dissidents". For instance TFC.Smith.Ognir.Guest.Dr.AlanSabrosky_Mon29Mar2010.mp3

This is forgetting what Benjamin Freedman said in his speech: the Talmud and prayer of Kol Nidre absolve (in their mind) Jews from lying to the non-Jew. Keep an open mind, but exclude their testimony.

Likewise in the 15 March  2010 interview of Dr Alan Sabrovsky by Mark Glen / Phil Tourney on The Ugly Truth (was to be The Liberty Hour) Dr Sabrovsky says at about 43/44 mins: "Nothing to me is more important than allegiance to my country.... Our government today does not behave in an honorable fashion... and I think we have gone to the point that we need to alter or abolish it."

He is RECOMMENDING THE ABOLITION OF THE USA! This indicates he is another globalist one-worlder. Alternatively is he promoting the idea of Israel becoming involved in a war - the third world war - as provided by Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma?

Another in the recent Ugly Truth podcasts with that guy Duff was in the same mode.

OK rant off - for now.

[mgt23]

why dont you try skyping me.....rather than flinging mud around like crypto. im quite approachable and a gentleman and independent. You want to know about me then just ask.

as regards cannabis
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissu ... hrist.html
http://www.cannabis.net/articles/jesus.html

[mgt23]

This guy says he is not Jewish but from his verbal mannerisms, his lisping vocalisation, intonation and content, he scores 98% on the crypto-jew detector scale. From the 22190310 mp3:

im not entirely sure what a crypto jew sounds like but if you say so.......

@58.50 appx: "isn't that odd" comes out as "isn't that odt".

.......and this means?

@1hr appx: There are lie detectors at israeli airports ... [rapid double-take] that's how I first heard about it: it was on presstv.ir...

see.........
http://deathflag.com/deathflag/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=887

@1.08mins appx: "I have seen anti zionist Jews taking a good beating up in Israel." Bigging up the myth that Jews are not generally supportive of their leaders and somehow despise "being on the winning team"?

and this is where we part company.......please provide prove of your so called myth

@1.16mins appx: "Lo and behold" becomes "Lo and beholdt"

@1.24mins appx: "please bear in mind" becomes "please bear in mindt"

again what is it with you and accents? go listen to refeeq on TFC and maybe you'll guess

if you want to chat to establish facts please do otherwise you are just accusing with no facts. shall i accuse you of being intel? with 20 posts to your name? as it happens i met chronic and got wasted so i trust him more than you. if i met noel or daryl id have a whiskey.

so skype me or quit the mudslinging........which kind of pisses me off.

[scorpio]

HH - hey, it's one thing if you don't care for MGT's shows, but to call him an agent, a Jew and Paul Joseph Watson all in one post is a little much.
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Why don't you Skype him and find out......

[Anonymous]

HH - you made my evening! i feel like run to the liquor store and celebrate your intellectual discoveries WE SCORE! Goal! no, i'll keep eye on mgt BUT! let's see ... they're closed agrrrrr! too bad! next time ... I will save it, but do not tell MGT, okey dokey...?

[Helphand]

OK I can see that some (all?) of my rant was perceived as unreasonable so here are my apologies for this particular application of the law of unintended consequences.

*However * all you might have chosen to do Steve was post back saying you're not Jewish. End of. I can't see that you have done so.

So Steve: are you, or are you not, a Jew?

The rest of this one is to try and explain why I have got bad vibes... disregard and spend your time better on promoting understanding of the money scam more widely if felt fit!

The dreary drumbeat I'm getting is that it's not all Jews, it's a tiny Zionist Jewish clique of bankers and some venal elite Shabbez Goyim. The "ordinary" Jew is blameless. So in the last few minutes at the end of TiU's 29 Nov 2009 interview Steve says (paraphrasing slightly): "to form a broad coalition you need to know facts, it's about the money, the guns and the intel... don't quote the Talmud to me".

The problem for me is that Steve's message has the effect of making us forget Freedman's warning about Kol Nidre, the Jewish licence to lie and deceive the Goyim. Also, if only an elite are involved then that removes from Goyim consciousness agents like the Sayanim and other worker bees in the hive of iniquity. So the "ordinary Jew" cover remains operational.

Around last November Steve was given a major high profile voice on a forum devoted to a notoriously difficult subject. If he is Jewish but unacknowledged this is a very material omission and negatively affects his credibility.

(As to previous posts being "qualifications"):
TiU Radio with Ognir 29 Nov 2009
about @34:45 (paraphrase) Ognir: just because Alex Jones says he works 16 hours a day is immaterial (Steve replies: that's bullshit - it's the quality of the sources...)

I really do hope this place isn't going to turn out to be a veal crate for the goyim. Standard methodology for sheep gathering seems to be selling an attractively radical message to get the group assembled and identified and then incrementally managing the message to the desired direction or else noting the identities of group members for future "attention". Bit like the degrees of the Freemasons or the Assassins. DBS complains constantly about this and having been a victim of it himself.  Dominance hierarchies on forums and the cult of the personality have to be set aside when examining difficult questions. Disregard leaders. Emerson truly observed: "So far as a man thinks, he is free."

On this one occasion I will spend time and provide evidence, taken at random, of the axiomatic: proof of my contention that the disease afflicts more than a tiny minority of Jews.

Listen to Henry Makow's 23 November 2008 RBN interview with Christopher Jon Bjerkes (http://www.jewishracism.com) who happens to have acknowledged Jewish heritage and has written some scholarly documented material of substance that is inimical to Judaism and its icons. My copy of the mp3 has the advertisements edited out so the following times would have to be adjusted for the outtakes of 3-5mins' duration at around 3/5 mins, 17mins, 23mins etc of the original.

@9:24 Makow says to Bjerkness I know you don't believe in the Illuminati.
@11:07 CJB says President Obama's mother is per HM associated with families that CJB would consider Frankist Jewish elements and his election was welcomed by the Jewish community who referred to him as one of their own...

@19:34: the Jewish War Against Humanity - the agenda CJB suspects "is known by under a million Jews, but this agenda that could very well be as you say has produced over the twenty five hundred years of its evolution a culture of tribalism, segregationism and racism which I think is pervasive... in the Jewish community... above fifty per cent... feel this... this sense of being different from the rest of human beings and this sense of being united with other Jews... it's different from the understanding of what brought it about but it is present... "

@22:23: HM says: "...I don't know if statistically you're quite accurate... I'll agree with you that there is a core of rich, powerful... Jews or Frankists... I don't know what the hell they are... who are following out an agenda that could very well be as you say... but these things operate as secret societies operate, where the masses are manipulated, they're not in on it".
CJB: there is a large segment of the Jewish community which for various reasons feels fidelity and loyalty to the State of Israel, so they're being roped in to the agenda and becoming a danger to their fellow citizens.. and... I agree with you that the assimilation rates are very high in America and I think that is what is exciting them to accelerate this plan... [historic analogies follow]

@25:31: "CJB: I see this as the Jews because this is what the Jewish people have done for twenty five hundred years and of course it has never been all of the Jewish people perhaps not even a majority of the Jewish people but that is the ethnicity, that is the heritage, that is the religion that is doing this and as much as I am concerned that innocent Jews not be harmed and that justice be done which means that those who are not involved not be even accused, I am also concerned that the tens of millions that Jews have slaughtered also receive justice and that the whole human race which has now been openly threatened by the State of Israel with the Samson Option also receive justice. And I think that in order for this thing to end we have to identify the Jews as the Jewish people who have been carrying out this agenda for twenty five hundred years and we have to stop it because they are about to destroy the human race; and when the human race is gone, it's gone for ever. " Shabbez Goyim like adepts of Freemasonry "are in essence Jews, they have been judaised by the Cabala... It's not a matter of blood for me, it's a matter of being Jewish, about pursuing this Jewish agenda of making war on the human race and destroying it".

@39:09: CJB talks about agents-provocateurs in the anti-Zionist-Cabalist movement - which reference I here include even if some on this forum might cite it against me. CJB says we need to expose the horrors of nuclear war so the American people have a consciousness of what that involves and to dispel "rapture" inanities; also to propose solutions, that the Government can issue interest free currency for financing projects and then retire it.

And just as an aside for DBS's ears, @35:49 CJB says the person to stop Israeli subversion is not ...  **Ron Paul** or anyone else controlled by the bankers. I still don't follow why TFC had its apparent fall-out with CJB.

Also I've just listened to Texe Marrs' interview with Henry Makow around 9 April 2010 at the end of which he (Marrs) says most Jews are involved, not just some Zionist elite. Based on his own words and actions I don't think Marrs is a Jew-basher but he cuts the agenda no slack.

This confirms personal direct experience and annuls for me this notion that it's only "Zionist Jews". That's about as convincing as the oxymoron "Judeo-Christianity". DBS has relatively lately acknowledged this but you do not seem to. It may be due to the pressure exerted by the monolithic majority sentiment, the Rabbis and cheerleading elders but that's another issue as is the fact that it is *tolerated*. (Otherwise you'll be fingered as a "self-hating Jew").

So Bjerknes feels that the majority of Jews whilst not part of the "apex" will (perhaps understandably) go along to get along - which is a kinder way of saying that no Jew now can be ignorant of the skewed advantages his ethnicity/race/religion/whatever give him in the material world and that among the Jews most seem to be silently celebrating "being on the winning team". If that ain't the old cult supremacist problem at the root of all this then I'm a Rabbi.

Accents specifically: nothing against people from Newport S. Wales, Gloucestershire or thereabouts but I note that it's a well known part of England associated with the Military, SAS and GCHQ.

The more detailed content beyond the drumbeat: I also have some minor reservations about this. For someone who said he's a teacher and appears plugged into alternative lifestyles, perhaps [career] anarchist tendency connections and so on, it comes as a surprise to hear Steve knows "loads of people on the trading floor" and that he has "several accounts direct to" the trading floor, whatever all that is intended to mean. This confuses me.

TiU Radio 5 April 2009 pt1 with Ognir
about 6:20: Ognir: You said you were part of it [career anarchism] in 1998... (Steve then talks of international criminals, professional agitators who are versed in mind control of cattle crowds)

TiU Radio 29 Nov 2009 with Ognir
about @52:28 (on the subject of UBS change of status to holding company and possible move from Switzerland) because I have a newswire I've got several accounts direct to the trading floor...)

[Can't find this ref now, it's there somewhere on one of
TiU.Radio.5th.April.2009.Parts1-3
http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... .Steve.mp3
http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... dec.09.mp3]:
about @31:57 [? not found at that location] I know loads of people on the trading floor and they don't know what fractional reserve banking is...

TiU Radio with Ognir 29 Nov 2009
about @44:42: used to know people from ... NW Frontier... the Moslems I knew were developers, into small scale property development.

That's a heady spectrum of esoteric experience. I'm now experiencing cognitive dissonance.

TiU Radio 5 April 2009, part 3  
about @50:17:  Ognir says to the effect "if you don't agree with us come online and say".
Taking it "offline" for a private skype session doesn't seem to me an open way of responding to an observation. Caucus groups/one-on-ones are a methodology typically favored by political handlers for atomising dissent and steering the message.

Also while I agree that personal dislike of a particular broadcaster doesn't condemn him/her for the rest who may listen, I think it's fair comment to say *why* there are reservations as time might be better spent....

The hemp point: your principal reference is Exodus which somewhat antedates Jesus Christ. The alleged ongoing anointing motif is dubious and I am not going to wast your or my time going down this particular rabbit hole. Suffice to say that the generally accepted Strong's Concordance refers sweet calamus to:
#S7070
qaneh ("kaw-neh'")
from 'qanah' (7069); a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring), shaft, tube, stem, the radius (of the arm), beam (of a steelyard):--balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, X spearman, stalk.

So I disregard the detail of the references that you quoted for your view of Jesus-as-the-lambent-dopehead. I thought I detected the primary motive of your raising the issue in the first place as far more illuminating than the supporting authority; and that I contend is: the unquenched hatred of the mamzer JC.  Is that true?

We can't have it both ways. One minute the reviled mamzer JC is being abased and discarded by his detractors (principally Jews and their lackeys like Murdoch/Acharya S.) as a mythical non-historical figure who was a meme, a cultural-religious reincarnation of Mithras etc etc (Zeitgeist); the next minute we're being told that he apparently did exist but his spiritual world was entirely illusory based on hashish and he was not God, just a man as the Islamics believe. Having your cake and eating it....
See also re: hashish my post in the Salman Rushdie thread.

Interesting by the way that the references emanate from groups pushing marijuana. Again listen to or read the summary of the Livingstone interview for what he has to say about marijuana being used as a tool of mind control and his mention of "Sex, Drugs And Rock'n'Roll". More soma for the sheeple to keep them dormant.

I'll leave it there, and condemn myself (or not) accordingly. I won't be wasting your time further playing catchup tag on this one.

So Steve, here's you chance to deliver the coup de grace: are you, or are you not, a Jew?

[mgt23]

So Steve: are you, or are you not, a Jew?

....in short no.

"to form a broad coalition you need to know facts, it's about the money, the guns and the intel... don't quote the Talmud to me".

......and i stand by this. The talmud is useful in explaining the brainwashing of the jews when they perform dubious acts. No matter how hard i look it doesnt contain the banking codes, weapons deals or current networkcentric warfare details. I deal in facts not agenda driven propaganda.

Disregard leaders. Emerson truly observed: "So far as a man thinks, he is free."

.....surprisingly i agree and have stated so on air "....i stand for total emancipation of the individual. I believe in neo kurt saxonism"

but I note that it's a well known part of England associated with the Military, SAS and GCHQ.

what will also surprise you was that im from a military school and was in the officer training corp for a year and left to join the SWP. i probably know more about the establishment than you.

about 6:20: Ognir: You said you were part of it [career anarchism] in 1998...

yup and have been fighting banks for 13 years.

TiU Radio 29 Nov 2009 with Ognir
about @52:28 (on the subject of UBS change of status to holding company and possible move from Switzerland) because I have a newswire I've got several accounts direct to the trading floor...)

[Can't find this ref now, it's there somewhere on one of
TiU.Radio.5th.April.2009.Parts1-3
http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... .Steve.mp3
http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... dec.09.mp3]:
about @31:57 [? not found at that location] I know loads of people on the trading floor and they don't know what fractional reserve banking is...

yup i know people who worked for banks........im sorry maybe i should remain ignorant to please you.

TiU Radio with Ognir 29 Nov 2009
about @44:42: used to know people from ... NW Frontier... the Moslems I knew were developers, into small scale property development.

yup and specifically Peshawar.

TiU Radio 5 April 2009, part 3
about @50:17: Ognir says to the effect "if you don't agree with us come online and say".
Taking it "offline" for a private skype session doesn't seem to me an open way of responding to an observation. Caucus groups/one-on-ones are a methodology typically favored by political handlers for atomising dissent and steering the message.

sorry but your talking bollox, ring me on skype and grow some balls.


as regards weed ill never speak against it, it should be legalised period.

[superzebra]

divide and conquer is the enemy motto.
claiming that steve is jew without evidence..real evidence this a one score for the enemy.
we have to steak together,help each other.
steve has great show.he is doing good research...that means he is fine.




usually molls expose it self like alex jones.

one hand does not claps but two hands do.

[GordZilla]

divide and conquer is the enemy motto.
claiming that steve is jew without evidence..real evidence this a one score for the enemy.
we have to steak together,help each other.
steve has great show.he is doing good research...that means he is fine.




usually molls expose it self like alex jones.

one hand does not claps but two hands do.

I'd have to agree with this. Steve and I have butted heads a few times, but never did it cross my mind that he is a Zionist shill. I simply cannot buy into that idea. He has said and exposed way too much to be even considered in such a role, and this is from one of his critics!  :lol:

Just kidding Steve, in all honesty, you are doing GREAT work! keep it up.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Hey Guys,

Share a Juicy Pork Sandwich... on Skype!  Hell have a Pork ribs cookout and share barbecue recipes... let the Pork decide!  :lol:

Hey HH,
just remember that there are large number of non-church going Europeans and in general they are often ready to criticize any religion (maybe the WWI/WWII effect?) more readily than Americans state side. They also tend to focus on the "Power bases" in their "Country" as well.

Also, we do weigh all input and criticism for what it is worth...  so hit the freezer and get the grill fire going... hell wrap a piece of the Talmud in the Pork Bite and just down it... man-o-man-o with a Scotch chaser!   :lol:

[Helphand]

OK thanks for the confirmation Catch22.
By comment accord this thread is a yawnfest so I'll can it now.

As they're germane, however, let me note the following which I can't immediately see flagged elsewhere and I thought were excellent:

<http://www.archive.org/download/TheUglyTruthPodcastApril52010/uglytruthAPR12010brnathanael2.mp3>

Mark Glenn interviews former Jew ("and I mean a *former* Jew") Nathanael Kapner of <www.realzionistnews.com> (...like it says in the intro to the 1961 Willard Hotel speech by Benjamin H. Freedman...).

@41.30 approx (front end of my mp3 trimmed, yours may differ):

Bro. NK: [televised porn, Gaydom, computer game style violence etc etc] "it's brought to you by ... not Zionists, not the Illuminati... not the Banksters... not the Bildebergers... not the Trilateral Commission... no, it's brought to you by J-E-W-S, Jews!

MG: "And that is the Ugly Truth!"

"Tell, em, tell 'em that you've told 'em and tell 'em again" (as they say in military school):

<http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=495>
Hitler's Most Trenchant Speech

In Comments:
Mark Glenn
April 18, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

"True, it is a very small minority that is ACTIVELY (note the word I used) involved in business such as what we see taking place these days.

HOWEVER, as far as the rest of the group goes, once the orchestra starts playing they hum along.
...
due to the conditioning they received growing up in the Jewish community--meaning the legendary automatic, autonomic silence and acquiescence they provide when the gangsters amongst them get busy--they don't do anything to try and STOP the music either, and this is the problem.
...
They KNOW who is doing what and yet, not only do they not lend their voices in speaking out against it, they run to their defense, and this makes them just as guilty as the perpetrators."


hth