Missing Gold from WTC 4 on 9/11

Started by CrackSmokeRepublican, January 18, 2010, 10:24:50 PM

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CrackSmokeRepublican

January 18, 2010, 10:24:50 PM
Anybody have further news on this?  It seems to be one of those little "details" on 9/11 that didn't get the press it deserved...

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Missing Gold

A King's Ransom in Precious Metals Seems to Have Disappeared

This image is found on the PBS.org website companion for the television documentary America Rebuilds under the section Uncovering Property. The page, entitled A Treasure in Silver and Gold, describes the vault as two levels of 3,000 square feet each. See the source for the full-sized image. The page credits images to Leslie E. Robertson and Associates.

The basement of 4 World Trade Center housed vaults used to store gold and silver bullion. Published articles about precious metals recovered from the World Trade Center ruins in the aftermath of the attack mention less than $300 million worth of gold. All such reports appear to refer to a removal operation conducted in late October of 2001. On Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered.

 A New York Times article contained:
Two Brinks trucks were at ground zero on Wednesday to start hauling away the $200 million in gold and silver that the Bank of Nova Scotia had stored in a vault under the trade center ... A team of 30 firefighters and police officers are helping to move the metals, a task that can be measured practically down to the flake but that has been rounded off at 379,036 ounces of gold and 29,942,619 ounces of silver .. 1  

Reports describing the contents of the vaults before the attack suggest that nearly $1 billion in precious metals was stored in the vaults. A figure of $650 million in a National Real Estate Investor article published after the attack is apparently based on pre-attack reports.

Unknown to most people at the time, $650 million in gold and silver was being kept in a special vault four floors beneath Four World Trade Center. 2  

An article in the TimesOnline gives the following rundown of precious metals that were being stored in the WTC vault belonging to Comex. 3  

    * Comex metals trading - 3,800 gold bars weighing 12 tonnes and worth more than $100 million
    * Comex clients - 800,000 ounces of gold with a value of about $220 million
    * Comex clients - 102 million ounces of silver, worth $430 million
    * Bank of Nova Scotia - $200 million of gold

The TimesOnline article is not clear as to whether the $200 million in gold reported by the Bank of Nova Scotia was part of the $220 million in gold held by Comex for clients. If so, the total is $750 million; otherwise $950 million.

There appear to be no reports of precious metals discovered between November of 2001 and the completion of excavation several months later. Assuming that the above reports described the value of precious metals in the vaulst before the attack, and that the $230 million mentioned by Giuliani represented the approxmiate value of metals recovered, it would seem that at least the better part of a billion dollars worth of precious metals went missing. (It is not plausible, of course, that whatever destroyed the towers vaporized gold and silver, which are dense, inert metals that are extremely unlikely to participate in chemical reactions with other materials.)

An article in The Sierra Times suggests that gold was recovered from two trucks in a tunnel under 5 World Trade Center, giving rise to suspicions that the trucks were being used to remove the gold from the vaults before the South Tower fell. 4   However, this report may have been based on an erroneous reading of other reports that describe the removal of crushed vehicles from a tunnel under 5 WTC in order to gain access to the vaults under 4 WTC to remove their contents. 5  

Why is there this huge discrepancy between the value of gold and silver reported recovered, and the value reported to have been stored in the vaults? There are a number of possible explanations, from outright theft using the attack as cover, to insurance fraud. Until there is a genuine investigation that probes all the relevant facts and circumstances surrounding the attack, we can only speculate.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Bela

#1
March 15, 2010, 03:44:57 AM
Some asshole (a precious metals dealer)who stole my life savings was an agent for Mocatta Delivery Orders, which was a service of Standard Chartered Bank.  MDO's were available if you sent at least 10K - it was for transferring money and metals overseas - the thing about an MDO was that it did not have to be reported to the US Treasury or the IRS.  So you could transfer any amount of money out of the country without the govt. being informed as long as you used this method.  Tax attorneys and tax evaders and the wealthy knew about this.

The gold that got "transferred" overseas would be held in a vault, you would get a certificate (I am not keen on the fine details).  At the time, the warehouse/storage/vault for Mocatta was in Delaware.  At some point, the metal stored in Delaware got moved to the WTC.  I am not sure if all the gold in the WTC belonged to Mocatta or if only some of it did.  

Apparently the Bank of Nova Scotia is now handling Mocatta Delivery Orders and / or has taken over these gold deposits from Standard Chartered Bank.

CrackSmokeRepublican

#2
March 16, 2010, 08:46:46 PM
Thanks for the info Bela. I'll keep an eye open on Mocatta.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Bela

#3
March 19, 2010, 03:01:55 PM
something more  - though I think this is old info
http://www.beginnermoneyinvesting.com/h ... on_gol.htm

Mocatta had an office on the 25th floor of the WTC
http://worldtradeaftermath.com/wta/wtc_ ... iberty.asp

This also mentions Mocatta and the Bank of Nova Scotia
http://www.wtc911coins.com/category/res ... dex-vault/

Tenants of the WTC, Bank of Nova Scotia and Mocatta  are listed here http://www.tenantwise.com/reports/wtc_relocate.asp
that site states:
Scotia Mocatta     Financial     1 Liberty     25,000     9/03: Scotia Mocatta returned to its space at One Liberty Plaza.     Downtown Existing
Bank of Nova Scotia     Financial     1 Liberty     235,000     9/03: Scotia Group returned to its space at 1 Liberty Plaza.     Downtown Existing

You might want to try and find out when :

Mocatta got shifted from Standard Chartered Bank to the Bank of Nova Scotia
and
when the metals were moved from the vault in Wilmington Delaware to the basement of the WTC.

abduLMaria

#4
March 19, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
i don't understand all the details, but i know that there were some major precious metal vaults in the WTC complex, and that the WTC perpetrators benefited very handsomely from their foreknowledge of the attacks.

the people who did 9-11 may have been psychopaths but they were not ham-handed clumsy bumblers.  my guess is they got most if not all of the gold out before the buildings came down.
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Bela

#5
March 20, 2010, 12:55:51 AM
"my guess is they got most if not all of the gold out before the buildings came down"
No - there was security guarding the gold after the towers fell (it was stored in the basement area).

CrackSmokeRepublican

#7
April 08, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
Great eye Bela...! Yeah,Canada's Gold was stolen... by JEWS! And that's big too!!!  :shock:
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Bela

#8
May 18, 2010, 10:56:23 PM


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No, which is why (IMHO) the nuclear theory is a crock.

CrackSmokeRepublican

#9
May 18, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
I agree with Bela...
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan
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