“Off Tangent Show # 13 with your host Latin

[LatinAmericanview]

Latin answer a series of emails pertaining to various shows and random topics. Finally Latin begins to unveil the true nature of our political situation. He demonstrates the skeleton of conspiratorial hierarchy.

Topics covered
Scientific Dictatorship
Sheeple

http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/oft13.mp3





Special thanks to: Azixx, Joe Blow, and Canard

[LatinAmericanview]

This is supporting documentation for radio show
Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government - 50 min  - May 26, 2006
Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government

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Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda
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[Anonymous]

Grabbin.

For google videos, use the button beside youtube called 'googelvid', it shows how to use the syntax as well

Peace.

[joeblow]

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[googlevid]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827[/googlevid]

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[Anonymous]

Without the player part Joe

[joeblow]

I fixed it right before you said it, beat you to it!

[LatinAmericanview]

You guys are great.  Hey can download the show? This is the first time using ftp.info underground

[Anonymous]

Shite, I'll go take a look, I don't think guest DL is enabled, my bad.  Hold on I'll go fix it  I thought it was just that the upload wasn't done again lol

[Anonymous]

The link is fixed.  using http instead of ftp until i figure out why ftp won't allow anonymous users.

Peace.

[Anonymous]

Audio of the video: The Hidden Agenda For World Government

Content of video: The Reece Committee: Social Science as a Tool for Control

Carnegie aim to control State Department is also discussed by the Edwin M. Wright interview where he talks about the Zionist take-over of the State Department: http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=106&p=321

Dodd was taken down by the anti-Semite canard for one of his staff members allegedly owning the book Waters Flowing Eastward - Denis Fahey (aka Paquita Shishmareff, Leslie Fry)
Archive rar: http://theinfounderground.com/lav/books+docs/Waters%20Flowing%20Eastward%20-%20Denis%20Fahey%20(Paquita%20Shishmareff,%20Leslie%20Fry).rar
Online HTML: http://iamthewitness.com/books/index.php?dir=Denis.Fahey%2FWaters.Flowing.Eastward%2F

Additional info on tax-exempt foundations:
Final Warning: A History of the New World Order; Chapter 2.5: Tax-exempt Foundations

[GordZilla]

Latin,


 'Challenge your show to see who has the best hypothesis of what is going on'? Even if those pages were a mere 500 years old, and scientifically we can prove they're older, but even if ...you still cannot honestly address my original questions!! Therefore it remains the best hypothesis of what 'is going on'  period. God or no God.  If The Amazing Kreskin wrote those words 1000 years ago, would you not be amazed? (at least then maybe you'd at least read it) Ah but if it has the word "God" in it , well now it's just silly? Cause you got 'over it' as a teen? Well me too, however, I came back to it because of the very fact that those questions are unanswerable. You can't answer them either, you simply side step it then pretend your theory has weight, even though it's premise is now tainted until you can address those points.  Perhaps, after all,  you are fallible? Maybe you over looked something in error (or out of ignorance) cause by 17 the media already did a number to you - especially when it comes to the topic of God. As it did to everyone! By design it was done, and very slowly at first as the early television viewers were still too Christian to buy into shows like Threes Company. First they had to remove the 'God believing' bit from the audience, ever so subtlety... in the beginning they had to do this at a snail's pace .  If you can't address my questions, than please admit that and then seriously try to before concluding it's not valid cause the word 'God' appears in the text. That's fricken ludicrous! Replace it with 'tuna sandwich if it helps you;  And the tuna sandwich said ....


The point remains; you have now way of explaining the words found in these near ancient passages and how they so aptly describe and even predict the Talmudic Jew and all his evil traits and deeds. You have no way to explain how it was people, by following this book,  throughout history have found the way to fight and even , albeit temporarily, rid themselves of these people – where no other 'tool' was ever used to accomplish this or EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY recognize them for what they are. Well, ok  the Qu'ran has also been used a few times, but not nearly as many - it is almost a mute point.  There's your tool and solution. Shit! It has the word 'God' in it, don't it? So let's throw it away and follow Latin's theory! No thanks. Not with knowing that this HAS BEEN proven to work, that it CAN BE used to predict and IS more apt (and ancient) of any description of the evils we are currently talking about today. It's like finding a map while your lost, then finding along the way that it's accurate by the landmarks it describes then, when night falls, burning it cause you're cold. It's only your bias stopping you Latin. You're trained much too well, don't confuse that training with wisdom.


You hope on a scientific leader, or Caesar, to be benevolent? You know how flawed that logic is, don't you?


The video you posted as 'supporting documentation' does in no way prove anything towards it being an 'illuminati' thing , maybe it's just miss-titled and not the point you were trying to make with it. It does suggest they were preparing the USA for communism, and I think this is why you included it so let's look at the 'revolution'. You know it was fundamentally Talmudic Jews who orchestrated that revolution, that we agree on. But what happened to the Christians shortly after the 'revolution'? How about to their Churches, priests and people? And why them specifically?  This is the ideology you would favor? The Jewish one as opposed to the Christian one?(and not Catholic, please learn the difference, there is one.)


Mass extermination in a scale unseen before is the outcome whether it be from a Talmudic Jewish lead Caesarian government or a Scientific one (as science will not allow for error, hope your children's teeth are straight – and the Talmudic Jewish one will not allow their leader to be humbled by a 'God'- they will expect arrogance and mercilessness). Either way, the outcome in these two scenarios is grim at best. Our only real chance is to learn from our elders, they knew how to spot'm, how to detect their traits. Even the simplest of them could do it too, as all you had to do is try to live a humble life under God, know you are not perfect, love thy neighbor etc and you'll quickly notice those who do not share these morals. They quickly stand out. In fact you could argue part of the reason this 'Christian moral structure' had to be deconstructed first was for PRECISELY this reason.  I'll still throw it back to you, what can your theory offer, that this does not? This is our best 'tool' still, BAR NONE! Don't believe me? Then disprove my original points ...  


Oh and scientific evidence of creation (and therefore a creator) was already provided to you. I have addressed your questions, and the link I posted is just a start. There are many ways to argue for the need –SCIENTIFICALLY – for creation... hell that one's easy anymore.  


-note; "Science" itself is ultimately a belief, that can only be 'accepted' to be 'proved'  -and only in the physical. It also has its rules constantly rewritten even after being 'proved', and in this respect it holds no more truth than the belief in God. Not in the least.  


As for number 13;


I have heard this argument before;  that the Talmudic Jew rises to the top cause they  are more studied and more demanding of their children to take their well paid for education seriously. But it doesn't fly, Yes they do practice a studious regimental approach to educating their children. However the table is not even; they have had the necessary time afforded to them to spend with their children, they have the luxury of having their children go to the best private schools. They have the advantage of favorable (and racist) hiring practices and finally they have been dishonest and deceitful to get to this position and to stay there. This has not always been the case, and in the past when they weren't the majority of the 'administrative' class and weren't afforded the luxuries that were listed above, in other words; when the playing field was leveled ... well they did no better gentiles. Notice, it is the rich who go to the best schools, the rich therefore are most likely to remain in the administrative class and above. This has always been true, whether the rich were gentile or Jew. They had to lie, steal and cheat to get those positions away from the gentiles in the first place, then they  used it to further the gentile's demise. It doesn't excuse them, it doesn't prove in anyway  they are somehow more enlightened. It proves only that when Talmudic Jews get to the top they are more evil than anyone else (as a people), as seen repeatedly in the past. More murderous, than anyone, more deceitful than anyone, they remain the only ones to put into effect then legalize usury on a people (which has also be outlawed many times in the past – by Muslims and Christians). Your premise is again broken from the start. They are not there because of somehow being more intelligent than the rest of us, they are there because they are more usurious than us,  period. If 'your people' secretly practice hate and distrust for all others, practiced usury on all others and then passed your hate and coupled it with an expensive education to your children, would this be wisdom or enlightenment? Or is it just despicable?  'At the top', do you even still question who's there? Dammit read the book , that's answered too!  Yours or Strauss's point about falling into a class of workers based on your abilities is all fine and dandy, but do you not recognize that the Talmudic Jew is not playing fairly when it comes to this approach? (which is how it really does work, and that we agree on as well) If they were all Ojibwa American Natives, who used their traits of deceit in order to gain personal, and community, wealth to the detriment of all other lesser humans, would you later be surprised to find the Ojibwa make up the greater portion of the administrative class? Would you begin to make excuses for them too? Strauss's theory works on some degree, the theory of the violinist, however it fails when you try to argue this is how certain races or religions of people end up in certain 'levels' of the working class. To say it's merely based on their personal amplitude may be true but many of them would've done much better if, say, they could've stayed in school longer, didn't have a single parent, didn't watch so much TV when they were younger, didn't listen to so much music as a teen that distracted them from learning etc etc. All the poisons they generously provided for us have also helped them to ensure our bold challenges to their ill gained power would be less and less frequent.

  If we were to become all secretive and full of deceit for all others, then we formulated a plan to enact upon an unsuspecting, trusting, honest and God loving people in order to extract wealth from them to gain real power to help perpetuate the cycle, would we be wise ones in your mind? Would we be deserving of the administrative AND RULING class seats? And if we were all filthy rich, couldn't all our children be afforded the time to become great thinkers, or philosophers? It really is that simple. Unless your trying to find another way of excusing them, then it must get complicated, by necessity.  Truth never appears in complication; it's in simplicity that it remains hidden. Its people who themselves look for complication, we believe, wrongly, that we cannot be fooled that easily. We look for complication probably to stroke our egos, to get that feeling of 'one up-man-ship', to feel 'in the know'  -but in the end there is nothing there, no substance just more complications, speculative thoughts, theories and opinions. Universities, higher education in general, help with this process and as a result it's often its product who are the hardest to reach with the truth. For all they paid, all their time and all their faith put in their professors they are very unlikely to look to any sources that are not commonly respected by their communities for a 'valid' source of the truth. They would rather excuse and explain away the information the 'conspiracy nuts' provide by using their learned sophisticated language to make their arguments have the air of validity – and it works for most.    You, yourself seem to be borderline on this position. Obviously you looked outside the box, but for your average 'in the know thinker' this is a rare leap. You, however, still cling to some of your programming to help prove your 'theories' ...it's a rather bizarre mix.  ( Ironically enough, Michael Piper stated just  while I was typing this; " I find the most educated,  the ones with the most degrees,  often know much less than the least of the educated " – too funny had to include that) Your audios would be better served at a college in some Modern Philosophy course than on a web site who's members for the most part  know damn well it's the Talmudic Jews behind it – ALL OF IT- and damn well that they have an agenda, and one that's inherently evil.

 
 And for the love of goodness, please stop talking down to us. Your information, although littered with elaborate words is really not at all as lofty as you like to imagine. Also it's "we", not "you guys", are we not in this together? You sure you're not a preacher?


Canard; before you, yet again - and for the third time, attack the messenger rather than the message please just put me on your 'ignore' list instead. You have nothing to add to my provided content, and you cannot debunk it neither. That's obvious.


Just know that the word 'ignorance' is derived from the word ignore, and you (and Latin to a degree)  are doing a great job of it when it comes to the points I've made.


-Gord

[Ognir]

Good stuff, glad to see our ftp is being used btw for obvious reasons

[Canard]

Great show, thank you for addressing my concerns I think I have been able to serve as a barometer of sorts to help bridge that gap of ignorance between those with and without the grasp over these large concepts you've been discussing.

I must admit my two obsessions are geopolitical intrigues and mixed martial arts aka ultimate fighting.  
If you need a little inspiration to keep the fires burning, one of the most exciting MMA fighter's on the planet will do just nicely.  It helps break up the monotony of recounting the deeds of historical criminals we must constantly immerse ourselves in, during this fight.

"War in the Ring Peace on Earth"

--Wanderlei Silva

[youtube:3cdhbtfv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EL5tGCCgN8[/youtube]3cdhbtfv]

[mutha]

Latin,


If you can't address my questions, than please admit that and then seriously try to before concluding it's not valid cause the word 'God' appears in the text. That's fricken ludicrous! Replace it with 'tuna sandwich if it helps you;  And the tuna sandwich said ....


The point remains; you have now way of explaining the words found in these near ancient passages and how they so aptly describe and even predict the Talmudic Jew and all his evil traits and deeds. You have no way to explain how it was people, by following this book,  throughout history have found the way to fight and even , albeit temporarily, rid themselves of these people – where no other 'tool' was ever used to accomplish this or EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY recognize them for what they are. Well, ok  the Qu'ran has also been used a few times, but not nearly as many - it is almost a mute point.  There's your tool and solution. Shit! It has the word 'God' in it, don't it? So let's throw it away and follow Latin's theory! No thanks. Not with knowing that this HAS BEEN proven to work, that it CAN BE used to predict and IS more apt (and ancient) of any description of the evils we are currently talking about today. It's like finding a map while your lost, then finding along the way that it's accurate by the landmarks it describes then, when night falls, burning it cause you're cold. It's only your bias stopping you Latin. You're trained much too well, don't confuse that training with wisdom.


-Gord

That bit about finding a map that has showed you the way by pointing out landmark after landmark...and then BURNING IT CAUSE YOU'RE COLD is one of the most intelligent things I ave HEARD or THOUGHT ABOUT here!  Way to go, Gord!
Some of us in the shadows who read but don't comment are starting to WONDER...so WHAT IS the big taboo about bringing a faith in a Higher Power into the discussion?

I am STUNNED to read that CAGE FIGHTING could serve as an inspirtation to ANYONE!! ( No matter HOW many times they, themselves, may have been hit on the head in their lifetime!!)  

I vote for using the tuna sandwich substition method, if necessary, for the overly testosterone-laden disbeliever set, and let's hear Latin tell us exactly WHY he "got over" the whole God thing!  Did God do something so AWFUL to you, personally, that you won't even DISCUSS IT in public?

Now...personally, I'd love to see THAT! ( It sure would be a whole hell of a lot more "inspirational" than seeing 2 neandrothals beat the living shit out of each other in a cage...for WHAT?  A lot of sweat and B.O. and high 5's in the locker room? HU RAH!  What a bunch of mentally stunted LOOSERS that whole bunch is!)

In the REALITY of life...if we can't figure out what and where our moral compas lies, we're ALL gonna go over the cliff WITH the pack of lemmings!  If we can't find something that morally constrains us, and sets us APART from the pack, we're doomed to die WITH them.   WHO am I?  WHERE did I come from?  WHY am I here?   That's a discussion that MUST be heard...for the future wellbeing of ALL of us in the truth movement.  If we can't (or won't) address those issues, (whether it be from fear OR from ignorance), how can we even continue to call ourselves TRUTHERS?
IMHO...if we can't or WON'T seek truth WHEREVER it may lead...we bocome, sadly, WALKING ENCYCLOPEDIAS OF WORTHLESS TRIVIA doomed to fall into the ditch!  :roll:

GordZilla was RIGHT!  There's a HELL of a difference between "higher edumacation" and WISDOM!
Between DEGREES and intelligence!  Hell...THERMOMOTERS HAVE DEGREES!  And you know where they stick THEM, don't you?   :lol:   Just a little humor to encourage you, Latin.  You, Canard, just sit down, shut up and keep on wavin the cheerleader's pom poms for him.  It's BETTER when you do the IGNORE act!   :lol:
Tact and persistance didn't inspire you to answer.  How about some HUMOR to do the trick?

[Canard]

I vote for using the tuna sandwich substition method, if necessary, for the overly testosterone-laden disbeliever set, and let's hear Latin tell us exactly WHY he "got over" the whole God thing! Did God do something so AWFUL to you, personally, that you won't even DISCUSS IT in public?

Definitely getting off on the right foot, with the rational attitude, cheers!!!  

I am STUNNED to read that CAGE FIGHTING could serve as an inspirtation to ANYONE!! ( No matter HOW many times they, themselves, may have been hit on the head in their lifetime!!)


Now...personally, I'd love to see THAT! ( It sure would be a whole hell of a lot more "inspirational" than seeing 2 neandrothals beat the living shit out of each other in a cage  

Whenever someone expresses thats what goes on in the cage, they show a clear command of what actually goes on inside, ps thanks for raising the level of discourse! :roll:

...for WHAT? A lot of sweat and B.O. and high 5's in the locker room? HU RAH! What a bunch of mentally stunted LOOSERS that whole bunch is!)

You, Canard, just sit down, shut up and keep on wavin the cheerleader's pom poms for him. It's BETTER when you do the IGNORE act! :lol: Tact and persistance didn't inspire you to answer. How about some HUMOR to do the trick?

Great first post, Welcome to TIU,




So I want to know more about your perceptions, basically you mythological system instructs you to hate the jews, rather then getting more specific and treating it like a court case, let's just go with Bible Says = Jews Bad.  Thanks for that  

[mutha]

I vote for using the tuna sandwich substition method, if necessary, for the overly testosterone-laden disbeliever set, and let's hear Latin tell us exactly WHY he "got over" the whole God thing! Did God do something so AWFUL to you, personally, that you won't even DISCUSS IT in public?

Definitely getting off on the right foot, with the rational attitude, cheers!!!  


[So I want to know more about your perceptions, basically you mythological system instructs you to hate the jews, rather then getting more specific and treating it like a court case, let's just go with Bible Says = Jews Bad.  Thanks for that  

Okay baby, you're on.  But first of all, my comments were PRIMARILY aimed at Latin...not you, Canard.  SIGH!
Perhaps my first post COULD have been a trifle  less sarcastic, and less offensive to you.
After all, your sidekick, Azzizx, or whoever felt the need to send me a WARNING MESSAGE to mind my manners not once but 3 TIMES!     :shock:   Didn't realize you all were so SENSITIVE here!   Well... Boo Hoo!
Just so you know...  I'm sheading tears of bitter remorse and consider myself severely REBUKED!  

Since it's obviously a ONE-SIDED quest here....to remain mature and  UN-sarcastic, I will just choose to ignore your juvenile over-generalization that anyone who believes in God or His word believes exclusively that "Bible Says = Jews Bad". That's just laughable!  I don't know Gord from Adam's housecat, but I just got tired of watching you guys in your little club house try and quash everything he was trying to ask Latin.

AFTER ALL, my comments were aimed at HIM!  So why don't BOTH of you cheerleaders let him speak up for HIMSELF?
That would be MUCH apprecieated!  Just tryin to stay RESPETFUL, here, so as NOT to hurt your wittle bitty feelings again.

Mutha

[Anonymous]

Sorry to send it 3 times ,there were errors the previous times and then I corrected the error and sent it the final time with success.

Stop with your mouthing off.  Who is defending Latin?  You were not only addressing Latin, you mentioned Canard specifically, since you obviously made a remark to him by name.. how delusional are you to claim your comments were aimed at Latin and not at Canard when he posts a response as if you have the say-so on who gets to respond?  Don't detract from issues by calling people "cheerleaders" in attempts to lower our perceived status as representing ourselves.  Grow up and act more mature.

If you want to stir up shite and cause problems you won't be lasting here very long.

[mutha]

touche...I DID adress Canard and I'm so glad you jumped in to rescue him!
Sure thing, fine. most certainally, you BETCHA!  ANYONE can address me!
It's just that it was LATIN I wanted to see engage himself in the discussion.
Specifically I want him to state WHY he so "got over" anything to do with the Bible.

Let's try to keep the tempers down.  Dust off your feathrs, boys.  I'm not trying to stir up ANYTHING but some FAIR discussion presenting BOTH sides of the topic as to whether God's word is relevant in these days in which we find ourselves living in...as TRUTHERS.  Since Latin seems to think it's IRrelevant  to the truth movement.  I'd just like to hear WHY...NOT in vague generalities...SPECIFICALLY why!

If I could just make one suggestion:  Let him answer Gord's questions... and stay out of the fray ON HIS DEFENSE.  Cheerleaders was just an analogy of what I see happening here.  No offence intended.  There's no SHAME in being a cheerleader, is there? I mean...there are even MALE cheerleaders out there.  It's just not a helpful role to play in a two-way discussion like I'd LOVE to see happen here.  

[Anonymous]

Have you listened to Og's radio shows?

He has mentioned in several shows how he doesn't want the forum to go into religious stuff, i.e. THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION.

So please do not bring it up.  Og is not religious, I am not, and many other people are not either.  Faiths are beliefs and you cannot argue with someone who holds onto a belief.  We each have our own understanding and perceptions of things regarding what to believe and what not to believe.  Believe what you want, just don't try and push it on me, you don't see me trying to push my version of it onto you.  So keep the religious stuff out of here, we have common ground to band together on without creating conflicts on theological concepts.

If you want to argue over religious things, go over to Khanverse's forum and you will be welcomed to debate religious philosophies.

Again, this is not a religious discussion forum.  If you wan to hear it from Og's mouth himself all of the shows are here:  http://theinfounderground.com/archives.

The arguments go no where, people get offended, insults are made, it's a no win road.  So do no bring it up.  If you want to discuss a religious mater with someone, please PM them.

And I didn't jump in to rescue Canard.  You may have that perception, but I was applying the rules to your ridiculous commentary.  Comments like yours do not improve debates or engender amicable discussion to help us fight the enemy.

I could apply the same simplistic argument to you about "defending" someone (since you share a similar view as Gord): that you are defending his position rather than expressing your own?  Childish argument to imply Canard and I are simply "defending" Latin as opposed to speaking for ourselves.  So again, stop deflecting our own comments as mere simplistic "defenses" on the part of Latin by calling us "cheerleaders".  It is quite clear what you are attempting to convey when using such language.

Focus on the issues, not on attempts to insult others.  That is the bottom line.  If you cannot comply with the rules then you are welcome to leave.  They are in place for a reason.

Lastly, if Latin wants to address your issues, he can with a PM.  I recommend you stop attacking him for not being here and misrepresenting others' positions for interjecting their own comments.  You are focusing on one aspect of Latin's shows and bringing that one portion to the forum for what looks like a big war on "God" vs no-"God".

The above explanation is the reason why Gord's religious questions were not discussed by me, and I would assume by anyone else either.  I have not made an issue about posting such religious topics before, but with the recent posts today and their rude immature statements, I felt a clarification was needed on what the forum is here for discussing.  You can post your comments, but do not expect us to respond to them and assume we are afraid or unable to respond.  I choose not to for the reasons mentioned above, and also I suspect others feel the same way.

Peace.

[mutha]

Faiths are beliefs and you cannot argue with someone who holds onto a belief. We each have our own understanding and perceptions of things regarding what to believe and what not to believe. Believe what you want, just don't try and push it on me, you don't see me trying to push my version of it onto you. So keep the religious stuff out of here, we have common ground to band together on without creating conflicts on theological concepts.

The INFORMATION underground, huh?  I could probably be okay with that...but then in the next line, right under that, you guys also included the word TRUTH.
See...THAT'S where the REAL problem lies.  INFORMATION can be on a par with data entry....pages and pages of 1s and 0s spit out by a mindless computer...and still be called INFORMATION...and RIGHTLY SO!  Data entry IS a form of information!  But when you aspire to associate yourself with TRUTH...that, my friends, professes that there is a higher level of thinking....of CRITICAL ANALYSIS taking place here.  Starting with a working hypothesis, if you will, and introducing a series of supporting facts as evidence, you eventually arrive at a working theory of TRUTH.  But even THAT truth is NEVER a totally FIXED notion!  Sometimes more facts will emerge that will SUPPORT the hypothesis.  Sometimes they will DISCREDIT it.   And so TRUTH is always to be questioned and re-examined as MORE evidence is UNEARTHED...and the task of re-analyzing the NEW data being presented AGAINST the previous body of OLD data MUST take place, and the definition of truth changed or expanded as indicated.  OR...after looking at the new data perhaps the OLD definition of truth will stand unchanged!  This IS an explanation of the scientific method in it's simplest form, and it should CERTAINALLY appeal to even the most die-hard rationalist!    

If we want to call ourselves "TRUTHERS" we take on a HEAVY role!   TRUTH is not a single monotonous MONOtonal mantra that we chant.  It is the sum total of MANY parts, put together to make a WHOLE.  Allow me to borrow the word LIGHT to illustrate my point.  The words LIGHT and TRUTH are oftentimes interchangable...and RIGHTLY so!  "Let's throw some LIGHT on the subject"  "I see the LIGHT!"  "How enLIGHTening!"  Anyone who understands science knows that the white light we see appears to be one "color".  But when you take a ray of sunlight and bend it through a prism, you see that what we call "light" is made up of MANY spectrums of light PUT TOGETHER!  You suddenly see that the world of light has to do with electromagnetic radiation in a whole RANGE of wavelengths and you see a spectacular MULTI-colored band of light...just like a rainbow.  And without boring you TOO much, may I remind you that SOUND operates in exactly the same way?  That SOUND is a combination of MANY wavelenghts of frequency?
So, as rationalists ... are you not "throwing out the baby with the bath water" when you reject ALL talk of an all-powerful all-knowing Supreme Being who is ABOVE the world that we SEE and FEEL and MEASURE?  Is it not FOLLY to think that all my 5 SENSES tell me is the END-ALL SUM TOTAL OF TRUTH???  Is there to be NO discussion as to POWERS at play.... in a world UNSEEN to us?  

Comments like yours do not improve debates or engender amicable discussion to help us fight the enemy.

aZiXx...you are PARTIALLY right...and I admit that wholeheartedly!  I was stooping to the level of SARCASTIC HUMOR in refering to you and Canard as being cheerleaders in my attempt to coax Latin into some two-way conversation about the topic of God...in print...on the forum...with Gord.  You called me RUDE, IMMATURE, CHILDISH, and RIDICULOUS.  That's okay by me.  Maybe I WAS being that, to some degree...so no offense taken.  
I just want to point out that DESPITE what you seem to think of me, I'm NOT trying to "stir up shit"....as you so eloquently put it. After the initial salvo, I TRIED to back pedal and throw some oil on the water to calm things down. REMEMBER???      

Let's try to keep the tempers down. Dust off your feathers, boys. I'm not trying to stir up ANYTHING but some FAIR discussion presenting BOTH sides of the topic as to whether God's word is relevant in these days in which we find ourselves living in...as TRUTHERS. Since Latin seems to think it's IRrelevant to the truth movement. I'd just like to hear WHY...NOT in vague generalities...SPECIFICALLY why!

I realize that I DID stir the POT a little!  But my motive was to ENCOURAGE some "amicable discussion" that will REALLY "help us fight the ENEMY"!  There is really NO point in us getting hysterical, over what COULD BE the THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS OF OUR LIVES!   The problem is this, my friend:
Who really IS the enemy?  Is it the Masons? The Bilderbergers? The Council on Foreign Relations?  George DumbButt Bush/Dick Cheney/and the NeoCons?
Is it the Illuminati? The Jesuits? or Evil JEWS?  Is it the international bankers?  The IMF and the World Bank? Is it the Pentagon and the "Military Industrial Complex"?
Is it a combination of SOME of the above?  ALL of the above?  Or could there be an even LARGER enemy?
Could it be a conflict between the forces of GOOD and EVIL themselves???
Maybe I'm wrong but I THINK this is a large part of what Gord wanted to address here.  If it makes everyone so freaking UNCOMFORTABLE they can't even ADDRESS THE ISSUE...are we REALLY truthers?
Or or we just KIDDING OURSELVES?  And so...I STICK WITH what I said before:

In the REALITY of life...if we can't figure out what and where our moral compas lies, we're ALL gonna go over the cliff  WITH the pack of lemmings! If we can't find something that morally constrains us, and sets us APART from the pack, we're doomed to die WITH them. WHO am I? WHERE did I come from? WHY am I here? That's a discussion that MUST be heard...for the future wellbeing of ALL of us in the truth movement. If we can't (or won't) address those issues, (whether it be from fear OR from ignorance), how can we even continue to call ourselves TRUTHERS?
IMHO...if we can't or WON'T seek truth WHEREVER it may lead...we bocome, sadly, WALKING ENCYCLOPEDIAS OF WORTHLESS TRIVIA doomed to fall into the ditch!

PLEASE tell me we're more than fractionalized, disjointed, self-proclaimed experts in SPEARS and HOSES and ROPES and are doomed to fail to see THE BIGGER PICTURE!!
You see...the men in the picture are feeling the tusk, the trunk, and the tail and THINK they have truth....that a SPEAR, a HOSE, or a ROPE is TRUTH (depending on which one of them you ASK, of course!)  But that is seeing the Illuminati as the enemy!  Or Khazarian Jews! Or the international bankers! (also, depending on who you ASK!)
IMHO there is a "LARGER PICTURE" approach to solving this mystery of WHO IS the enemy?  In the "larger picture" approach you realize that the tusk, the trunk, and the tail...while they are all separate PARTS of something...they DO NOT represent the WHOLE!!!   It takes a BRAVE WILLINGNESS to be willing to step back and look at the picture in it's ENTIRETY.  Only THEN do you discover that BEHIND the the body PARTS there stands an ELEPHANT!
It takes an INQUIRING MIND to be willing to understand that BEHIND the scenes of what MOST PEOPLE choose to see, the likes of the Illuminati and the rest of them operate to control and hurt us.  We've ALL, here, figured THAT much out!   But that's only Level 1 stuff!  It gets REALLY exciting when you're brave enough to ponder that behind THOSE operators of evil, there is yet ANOTHER level of evil that is "operarting" THEM!  To see and understand that the PLAYERS are BEING PLAYED!
To choose to stay at Level 1 is to miss out on ANY hope for defeating or even SURVIVING what is going on!  
You see...I'm NOT the divider you seem to think I am.  And I certainally don't want to push any specific religious "beliefs" on you.  I won't expect you to quote scripture, get baptized, or take communion.  You don't even have to pray!   But you might want to at least CONSIDER that there is a BIGGER PICTURE to what is going on!  Is that really so MUCH to ask?  

You can choose to blow me off and I'll gladly go on about my busiess.

But before you do, take a minute to remember this old saying... and take it to heart:
There are none so BLIND as those who WILL NOT see!
 
Do you REALLY want to be TRUTHERS...or is it okay just to stay an expert on SPEARS and HOSES and ROPES?   Ponder on THAT as you try to fall asleep tonight.  It's YOUR choice.

Your friend who's ALL ABOUT finding & spreading the truth,
Mutha      

[Anonymous]

Most here and elsewhere who are aware of what is going on in all facets of the 'tentacles of the octopus' don't merely see one single aspect such as the trunk, the ears, etc, as you may claim.  Apparently you got that impression about some people at TIU, and I don't know how to remedy that for you... sorry  You may be right about supernatural powers, but event though it can be true, so can the claims that aliens are watching us and will save us if we go to nuclear war, and how they created us, etc, etc.  There is not enough evidence so substantiate such claims on the basis of evidentiary fact that merits wide mass dispersal of such info as an honest provable "truth".  Those people and any others who propose a theory and assert it, can claim that others who do not discuss such issues are doing as you claim, i.e. not seeing the elephant in the room by only focusing on certain aspects of the "big picture".  It is a fallacious claim because it cannot be proven, while is it asserted as being a "truth" of some sort.  That is why "The Information Underground" is more focussed with factual information.  So again, any of these concepts may be true, but they cannot be proven.  I did my "CRITICAL ANALYSIS" on theological concepts and came to my conclusion after spending much time on the subject.  You did your own and came to a different conclusion.  Too each our own. These things cannot be proven.  Leave it at that.

There are always bigger pictures.  But when you delve into the realm of superstitious entities that polarize a good vs evil dichotomy where these mysterious entities are controlling people... well go ahead and discuss it with people whose interests lay in the same like-minded field.  Do not assume that we have the same desire nor impose the need for everyone here to agree with your request to discus such matters.  If you want to debate or discuss matters in your field of interest, I suggest you find a forum or something similar somewhere that actually engages in such theorizing.  This is not the place to discuss "God" vs "devil" matters

Here is a thread you may like that deals with the concept of evil as a disease: Political Ponerology.  I have not looked into it, but it does seem plausible as a psychological disease...

Peace.

[GordZilla]

Most here and elsewhere who are aware of what is going on in all facets of the 'tentacles of the octopus' don't merely see one single aspect such as the trunk, the ears, etc, as you may claim.  Apparently you got that impression about some people at TIU, and I don't know how to remedy that for you... sorry  You may be right about supernatural powers, but event though it can be true, so can the claims that aliens are watching us and will save us if we go to nuclear war, and how they created us, etc, etc.  There is not enough evidence so substantiate such claims on the basis of evidentiary fact that merits wide mass dispersal of such info as an honest provable "truth".  Those people and any others who propose a theory and assert it, can claim that others who do not discuss such issues are doing as you claim, i.e. not seeing the elephant in the room by only focusing on certain aspects of the "big picture".  It is a fallacious claim because it cannot be proven, while is it asserted as being a "truth" of some sort.  That is why "The Information Underground" is more focussed with factual information.  So again, any of these concepts may be true, but they cannot be proven.  I did my "CRITICAL ANALYSIS" on theological concepts and came to my conclusion after spending much time on the subject.  You did your own and came to a different conclusion.  Too each our own. These things cannot be proven.  Leave it at that.

There are always bigger pictures.  But when you delve into the realm of superstitious entities that polarize a good vs evil dichotomy where these mysterious entities are controlling people... well go ahead and discuss it with people whose interests lay in the same like-minded field.  Do not assume that we have the same desire nor impose the need for everyone here to agree with your request to discus such matters.  If you want to debate or discuss matters in your field of interest, I suggest you find a forum or something similar somewhere that actually engages in such theorizing.  This is not the place to discuss "God" vs "devil" matters

Here is a thread you may like that deals with the concept of evil as a disease: Political Ponerology.  I have not looked into it, but it does seem plausible as a psychological disease...

Peace.

Not much evidence, that is, EXCEPT what I've earlier offered and has yet since been challenged.   Sorry, had to point that out   , it is the truth of the matter after all. Except by dismissing it, no one has adequately challenged it. If it stands uncontested, then you may want to wash down the white board and start anew.

-Gord