ARE JEWS "BROTHERS" OF CHRISTIANS?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

By Rev. Ted Pike
21 Nov 11
Christian Zionists increasingly claim Jews and Christians are "brethren," children of the same divine plan for salvation. They say Christians are indebted to Jews for preserving God's plan and enabling our redemption. Our united heritage and purpose is called "the Judeo-Christian tradition." The least we Christians can do is bless and defend Israel—especially in this time of unprecedented world criticism. It is even becoming fashionable for Christian Zionist leaders like Beck and Hagee to declare, "I am an Israeli!"

Evangelicals believe their duty includes shielding and obscuring the teachings of Talmud and Kabbalah, the extent of Jewish supremacist control, and the fact of Israel's many injustices.  This suppression of truth is necessary in their minds to prevent anti-Semitism and even a second holocaust. No religion has as much to hide as Talmudic Judaism. Christian Zionists help whitewash those spiritual descendants of the ones Christ described as "whited sepulchers, full of dead men's bones." In this, they believe they are serving God.

But the Bible nowhere teaches this behavior. It does not encourage Christians to support a religious system which first crucified Christ (See Are Jews Today Guilty for the Crucifixion?) and today continues to militate against Him. Israel persecutes, even under threat of prison, effective evangelism of Israelis. (See Christians in Israel: An Endangered Species)

This articles summarizes the New Testament ban on blessing or claiming brotherhood with apostate Judaism.

If first-century Christians could see the way modern evangelicals worship their Jewish persecutors, surely they would think we never loved Jesus at all. We have instead joined the crowd who cried, "Crucify Him!"

Hidden Hatred against Jesus

To even be Orthodox, Jews must accept the authority of those who masterminded the death of Christ: the Pharisees. The Talmud perfectly expresses Pharisaic hatred of Jesus. It boasts that Jewish leaders had Christ crucified (Sanhedrin 43a) and claims He is now in hell. There Jesus faces His punishment

With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement. (Gittin 56b, Somcino trans.)

Orthodox Judaism agrees that crucifixion of Christ by the Pharisees was wise, just, and necessary and that His present torment in hell represents divine justice.

Articles at http://www.truthtellers.org extensively document Judaism's hatred, not only of our Lord but His mother and disciples. There can be no doubt that Judaism is fundamentally and unalterably opposed to Jesus, His mission, and His followers.

Yet Christian Zionists passionately argue that there are more similarities than divisions between Christians and Jews. They say we are "brothers," bound by God's will and a common tradition.

Here's what the Bible really says:

Nowhere does the New Testament even hint that Christians have a duty to a nation of Christ-rejecting Jews--a nation whose existence defies God's oft-repeated command that He will only sanction a Jewish nation in the Holy Land if they are repentant and obedient to Him. (See List of Conditional Occupation Verses)

Christians owe no debt of spiritual gratitude to the Jewish people at large. The entire Bible records a nation usually resisting the message of a tiny minority of saints and prophets. Moses described the Hebrews as an unusually stubborn, rebellious people, repeatedly saved from annihilation only because of his intercession.

Christians owe deep gratitude to a minority of Jews in scripture who carried the torch of true obedience and faith, looking forward to Christ. The roots of Christianity descend to Jewish saints such as Moses, Joshua, Samson, Daniel, and Jeremiah. They were all disobeyed, even vilified and persecuted by the majority of Jews. Christians could not have a stronger affinity with such holy Jewish heroes. With them we do indeed share a "Judeo-Christian tradition!" But Christians should feel the strongest revulsion against wicked Jews such as the rebels of Korah, the priests who persecuted Jeremiah and the Pharisees, founders of modern "rabbinic" Judaism.  No true Christian is "brother" to them, any more than we are to Jewish supremacists today.

What fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness, and what communion hath light with darkness? (II Cor. 6:14)

The apostle John portrays Christ-denying Jews as deceivers and anti-Christs.

many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

Yet today the spiritual children of Christ-reviling Jews are the very ones Christian Zionists call brothers! Jesus describes such "Jews" as the "the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie." (Rev. 3:9) Judaism is the "church" Satan attends and supports. It is his place of fellowship.

Christians' Real Duty to Jews

The Christian's true obligation to Jews is to preach them salvation through Yeshua, Israel's spiritual husband and redeemer. Christ said evangelism should begin "at Jerusalem" and spread to the whole planet. Christians should have no part of several prevalent extremes regarding evangelism of Jews.

Hagee's view that Jews (especially at his CUFI meetings) are above evangelism and don't even need to hear the name of Jesus spoken in public. Hagee may deny it, but his actions affirm the heresy that Jews have a special covenant of salvation apart from the cross. Hagee influences millions of evangelical tourists to Israel who agree to obey Jewish authorities and not evangelize Jews during their trip.

The opposite is the "Two Seedline" Christian Identity heresy which says Jews are below Christian obligation to evangelize. Agreeing with the Kabbalah, it says Eve had sex with Satan, that Jews are his offspring and are unredeemable.

A third error is "displacement theology:" virtually all prophesy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. and God is finished with Jewry in a national sense. He has replaced them with "spiritual" Israel--all who trust and obey God. (Galatians 3)
The Bible says clearly that Jews are not racially or morally better or worse than Gentiles, or more favored by God. Yet God does have unfinished business with the Jewish nation. He did not vainly promise national restoration of a repentant remnant at Christ's return. He will not be frustrated by Jewish apostasy but will receive something no convinced Jew would ever believe He could have: repentance from the Jewish people.

The Bible is absolutely clear that God's favor—to individuals, communities or nations—only comes as a result of faith and obedience. The Christian's prayer is to see Jews rescued from a darkened religious and cultural tradition that has deeply prejudiced them against Jesus. The Bible never teaches it is the Christian's duty to defend unbelieving Jews or Israel morally, financially, or militarily. Christians, in the years before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., were told to flee Jerusalem, not flock to its aid. Paul predicted wrath "to the uttermost" (1 Thessalonians 2:16) on unbelieving Jewry--a wrath that will be authorized by God not man, ultimately to bring the remnant to repentance. Thus there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel of Jewish evil. We should no more deny this than deny Israel's current wickedness. The apostle Paul affirms the hope of the Hebrew prophets for eventual Jewish redemption: "the Deliverer will come from Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob." (Rom. 11:26)

But today, after at least three quarters of a century of injustice to the Palestinians, Israel fully deserves world criticism and withdrawal of financial support.

Christians cannot support Israel today because Jesus is not supporting Israel. He said their house was left "desolate" and portrayed apostate Israel as a withered fig tree which He cursed to never again bear fruit. (Matt. 21:19) He said He was leaving those who rejected Him and they would never "see" Him again—never receive His advocacy or blessing—until they repent and say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." (Lk. 13:35)

Until that day, our duty to Jews is the same as our duty to all men: to love them as much as ourselves and lead them to the love, forgiveness and eternal life of Israel's truest friend and redeemer, Jesus.

If Christ considers the Jewish people without Him "desolate," how can Christians consider them blessed?

 Source: http://truthtellers.org/alerts/AreJewsB ... tians.html

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Gordzilla, thoughts?

The Christian's true obligation to Jews is to preach them salvation through Yeshua, Israel's spiritual husband and redeemer. Christ said evangelism should begin "at Jerusalem" and spread to the whole planet. Christians should have no part of several prevalent extremes regarding evangelism of Jews.

Hagee's view that Jews (especially at his CUFI meetings) are above evangelism and don't even need to hear the name of Jesus spoken in public. Hagee may deny it, but his actions affirm the heresy that Jews have a special covenant of salvation apart from the cross. Hagee influences millions of evangelical tourists to Israel who agree to obey Jewish authorities and not evangelize Jews during their trip.

The opposite is the "Two Seedline" Christian Identity heresy which says Jews are below Christian obligation to evangelize. Agreeing with the Kabbalah, it says Eve had sex with Satan, that Jews are his offspring and are unredeemable.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Pike said:

A third error is "displacement theology:" virtually all prophesy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. and God is finished with Jewry in a national sense. He has replaced them with "spiritual" Israel--all who trust and obey God. (Galatians 3)

This is where I disagree with Pike. This is futurist bullshit. The Church can't replace the Jews because the Church has always existed. Pike really means replacement theology, which John Hagee also rails against. I don't understand why Pike buys into this Zionist nonsense. Then he goes on to attack Preterism, which is a much older belief in the Church than his Zionist futurism.

[GordZilla]

(all just my opinion, since you asked)

I'm not a 'thoroughly studied' Christian by no means, nor am I completely 'Christian Identity' either. I do believe that one's own faith is made from his own understanding  -alone, I therefore do not particularly trust a 'man of God' when he's speaking, I always meet them with skepticism. Not to say they are all bad, but rather that they need to earn my trust first and even then I will double check with what is actually written and in which context. Father Coughlin, to me, was one of the wisest of Christian spokesman I've ever heard, again in my opinion. Mr. Pike, however, I'm not totally on board with. And Hagee? Who cares? All that being said I will still maintain that the line 'you are of your father who is the king of all lies" still stands out like a sore thumb. I don't know exactly where the truth lies, but that quote sure seems to fit the bill. There are other aspects of the 'Satan's children' concept that fit nicely to what is written as well. And in real life, as well, we can see it.  The way they side with each other without question and never turn away from their hatred of all others, and en masse. It makes me wonder if indeed there is something different in their heads and souls. I'm almost convinced there is. They are not like the rest of us in any conceivable way. They have no compassion, no empathy nor do they even appear to have a conscious, except when only concerning themselves. They work hard to destroy all things good, it may be a too 'black and white' outlook that I have here  BUT they do indeed act like the devil's advocate here on earth - in almost every respect.

 As for our 'obligation' well, I guess I'm not a good Christian in that respect, I do not see it being possible; their salvation. I know we're told, however, that we should strive for that, I just can't see it happening. They are most certainly not interested in Christ's message, even the 'Jews for Jesus' I distrust in this respect. They are artists at infiltrating and destroying, from within, all movements for the 'common good'. I don't see how Christianity should be any different, so of course there's  a 'Jews for Jesus'  movement and of course there's Hagee, and Judeochristianity , and Scofield Bible etc. That is just them destroying something good  -yet again and like always. "What am I? My brother's keeper?"

"And these are the generations of Adam...." Can't find Cain in that list. I don't think it's an oversight, it's a long list. I think He was actually making the point that IT WASN'T an oversight, it's the first clue.

"Esau, you shall lift your brothers yoke but your time will be short." We are living in that time now. We kept them (realitively) contained for centuries, but not any more.  Esau the 'Red' , hmmm...

IMHO C.I. is right on the point that we are not all the same, I believe salvation can be achieved thru Christ for anybody, but I do not believe the Jew will ever try for it. They would rather convince the world that there is no God, Satan's oldest trick, than ever believe in a man who could indeed offer them salvation. That, to me,  says a lot about their character.

I know the dynamic, Cain and Able, was created by God and I know it was re-created in Esau and Jacob. My only question is, and has always been; why?  Seems to me the best answer is it was created to stand as testament to God.  A preacher, who was 'Jew wise', once answered me with this; "we're all fingers of the same hand". The whole dynamic is needed so the best rise and the worst fall, and so that free choice (and free will) is maintained. There had to be challenge in this life, it could not be easy, it had to be hard. It's the filter of souls -this level is. The next? Who knows, but I think it will be predominately 'Jew-free' -that is if you happen to go up, and 'Jew heavy' if you travel the other direction. That would truly be hell, to spend eternity surrounded by these 'people'.
         

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

As I said before, all sinners are the children of hell until they repent. Someone being a Jewish sinner as opposed to a Gentile sinner makes no difference to God. On that note, all hell means is eternal separation from God. God does not send ANYONE to a fiery torment. That is just an illustration many use. Instead, the unrepentant choose hell (eternal separation) of their own accord. It is what they want. God does no forcing.

Proverbs 18:21 Death  and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Furthermore, Jesus states that anyone can become a child of hell:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Gord said:

It makes me wonder if indeed there is something different in their heads and souls.

Sure there may be something in their heads, but other races have things in their heads too.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

As I said before, all sinners are the children of hell until they repent.

:lol: You sound completely insane. Hell is a figment of your imagination, like your Jewish deity.