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[Anonymous]

http://www.mediafire.com/?xehwi53prkurlig

Jew/Christians

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Both of those guys tend to "over simply" Christ.  The key question for me was Christ a historical figure and Indo-European like the Hittites, or actually Judaic-Canaanite?

[Anonymous]

Yeah it's a hard one, Jesus was a jew, Jesus wan't a jew, jesus was a white nationalist, etc etc.

My opinion is that Jesus was a jew, he had some form of early t-sachs, he thought he was the son of god (alot of jews do think they are godlike), the jews knew what he was preaching would not be good for them so they killed him. They thought why waste this christian stuff, lets see if we can get the romans to follow it.

[pas]

Didn't Jesus say he:''only came for the lost sheep of the house of israel''?And that he came to forfill what the prophets had said (or something to that effect)?Well Isaiah had some interesting prophecies.Here's one, of many, of the nice things he had to say:

"And strangers [non-Jews] shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien [non-Jews] shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers."

Isaiah 61:5

[pas]

Exellent post btw, Bluejelly.Thanks.

[Anonymous]

You are welcome pas. I listened to the interview and thought it was good enough to commercial edit and upload but there is a better copy someone did better as the file size is smaller at concen now. I really don't understand why people are still interested in the bible and jesus, selling afterlife insurance is a racket and anyone involved in it should be looked carefully at.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

LOL@bluejelly. Do you think everyone buys into the "Christianity is a Jewish conspiracy" theory? Thousands of years of belief in Christ as opposed to what, maybe 10 years of this theory circulating the internet? Yeeaaaah, sure.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Yeah it's a hard one, Jesus was a jew, Jesus wan't a jew, jesus was a white nationalist, etc etc.

My opinion is that Jesus was a jew, he had some form of early t-sachs, he thought he was the son of god (alot of jews do think they are godlike), the jews knew what he was preaching would not be good for them so they killed him. They thought why waste this christian stuff, lets see if we can get the romans to follow it.

Actually, Jesus made a point of not calling Himself God. He let others do it for Him. And, no, they weren't coerced.

As for Jesus coming for the "Lost sheep of the house of Israel," was that not thoroughly answered already in another thread of yours by myself and Michael K? If not, why did you not raise an objection then?

Why not take a scientific approach to the whole thing—instead of trying to prove atheism or that Christianity is a Jew plot, why not, instead, attempt to disprove the teachings of Christ? It's especially funny considering that virtually all anti-Christians claim to be of scientific mind.

Thoughts on this broadcast:

Kaminski cherry picks. He brings up the fact that the Vatican and ecumenical councils are there for the benefit of Jewry. This is true. But this is far from new news. In fact, Christians were the first to bring these facts to light. Does Kaminski mention that? No. He pretends that these man-made institutions completely represent the teachings of Christ.

For those of who have been in the conspiracy community for a considerable length of time, the idea of the Zionists attempting to frame Christendom for Jew crimes was predicted—years ago. Ask yourself why this line of thinking has only become prominent in the last few years. Because of the internet? Really?

Kaminski and the host then claim the Old Testament is a Jewish plot against gentiles. If this is true, why did the Pharisees see the need to carry out the enormous task of producing the voluminous Babylonian Talmud? If the Old Testament were such a conspiracy, would it not stand on its own as a basis for Jewish power?

Kaminski claims that Christians have been the Jews greatest bodyguard. This is false for the most part. Only since the Scofield Reference Bible was created has Christianity protected the Jew. And even then, it was only Christians in the United States. European and other world Christians never adopted the Scofield Reference teachings. Kaminski is twisting things to fit his theorem.

Jewliani then misquotes Jesus, saying He ridiculed gentiles for not knowing whom the Jews worship.

John Kaminski and Charles Giuliani base much of their rhetoric on Christianity's humility. They would have you believe that because Jesus did not empower people with revolutionary and political ideas, that is evidence of a plot to easier control the masses. They, like the Pharisees, would prefer a militaristic revolutionary Jesus. And when He doesn't bring them that, they re-crucify Jesus. Where do the Pharisees end, and Kaminski and Jewliani begin?

Jewliani at one point interrupts Kaminski and says, "...but getting back to the Christian theme....."

Yeah, Charles, we know what your agenda is. All your Jew talk is merely a ruse to distract from your real target. Nice try.

[Roy Hobs]

Blue Jelly Wrote:
I really don't understand why people are still interested in the bible and jesus, selling afterlife insurance is a racket [/b]

What if there is life after death?  What if our soul is destined for eternity?  You say the gospel is a life insurance "racket".  I don't know what you mean by 'a racket'.  I'm not making money off my beliefs.  I don't get a 'kick back' when I share the gospel to others.  I don't feel like I am gaining anything which is categorized as a 'racket'.  Hell....I've lost friends and family for my belief so I don't see how this is a 'racket'.  If my beliefs are correct, what will happen to all those who do not believe?  If your belief is correct?  Then I am safe both ways.  

It is very unfortunate that today's version of Christianity is incredibly tarnished and defamed.  For this, I can hardly blame people for not believing.  But the Bible is available to everyone today.  And.....the bible PREDICTS this phenomena.  2 Timothy 4:3.  There are no excuses.  Read it for yourself.....all the way through.  Especially the Gospels.  A person's version of Christianity can be unique to himself.  It certainly is for me.  Biblical Christian belief has never, nor will it ever be mainstream.  "Narrow is the way". Peace.

[Anonymous]

NEW SHOW

http://freeamerican.com/audiofiles/john ... as2012.mp3

John Kaminski was interviewed by Clay Douglas on Wed 2012.

Ok Roy Hobs, I used to think that way, becoming a christian and insuring yourself either way. The problem with that is you fail to understand what life is all about, you forsake this life for an imaginary afterlife. A Christian also does not have the stomach to face what life is really all about, evolving and raising mankind to the next level. There have been many recent studies out showing that religious people have a lower IQ's than other people in general. I think the reason for that is unlike in the past, science has advanced to such a level that makes these religious texts really seem absurd and impractical, only the idiots are the ones still walking around with the bible these days.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Bluejelly, no rebuttals to my comments again? Second time you have done this now. I takes time to listen to these shows, form and write opinions. I would appreciate you responding if you could.

Thanks for uploading another show. I will dissect and refute this one, too.

Ok Roy Hobs, I used to think that way, becoming a christian and insuring yourself either way. The problem with that is you fail to understand what life is all about, you forsake this life for an imaginary afterlife. A Christian also does not have the stomach to face what life is really all about, evolving and raising mankind to the next level. There have been many recent studies out showing that religious people have a lower IQ's than other people in general. I think the reason for that is unlike in the past, science has advanced to such a level that makes these religious texts really seem absurd and impractical, only the idiots are the ones still walking around with the bible these days.

I know plenty of ballsy Christians. What Christians have you been hanging around? While the Bible does teach humility, it does not teach people to be wimps. Unfortunately, Christianity sometimes attracts wimps and serves as a crutch to insecure people. But a wise person would see through that. Are you gullible enough to fall for the typical Christian stereotype of weak-minded, wimpy, and unintelligent people? As for these alleged studies showing Christians have lower IQs, where is your source for this? Where does advanced science make religious texts look absurd?

[Wimpy]

Are you gullible enough to fall for the typical Christian stereotype of weak-minded, wimpy, and unintelligent people?

-TF

Wh,.. what? :?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Sorry, Wimpy. No pun intended.  

Bluejelly, here are my thoughts on the latest Kaminski rant:

Kaminski claims "all of the Christian denominations" echo the sentiments of the Vatican that Jews are our 'elder brothers.' This is a lie. As I stated earlier in this thread, American Christians as wells as Christians in British Commonwealth countries are the only ones who bought the Scofield lies that evolved into present day Christian Zionism. Most Christians have been and are anti-Jewish. WHy do you think the Bolsheviks burned down churches in Russia and crucified and tortured Orthodox priests? Because they thought Jews were their elder brothers? Why did protestant reformer Martin Luther become so popular with his writings, in particular, The Jews and their Lies?

Kaminski quotes the widely misinterpreted Bible passage, "render to Caesar what is Caesar's," spoken by our Lord Jesus. First of all, notice that Jesus never once says, "render unto the Jews what is the Jews"?

Jesus wasn't making a carte blanche statement about surrendering to governments. Because life was relatively bearable under the Romans, God permitted obedience to this worldly governments, so long as His people were free to practice their religion. This is thoroughly demonstrated throughout all of the Old Testament—if you actually read it—where God actually has a hand in selecting governments. However, this is not a free pass for tyrants and dictators who expect to rule untouched by resistance. There is actually a book that just came out about this very subject.

Now, having said all that, the above facts do not mean that governments didn't take advantage of unenlightened Christians who may not have understood the words of our Lord. Clearly, the American people are an example of Christians who clearly misunderstood Christ's "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." The point of the matter is, Kaminski is trying to perpetuate this false rendering of the passage to paint Christians as blindly obedient to all forms of government, good or bad.

He says Christians are unreliable allies in the fight against the Jews. What he means is that Christians are unreliable allies in the fight against religion, which Kaminski, Giuliani, et al are carrying out. Judaism just happens to be a religion in that group with a big target sign on its back for all the crap it does in the world.

But the underlining ignorance in all of this is your failure to realize what God commanded the things He did. He did not command the things he did so that people could make a utopia on planet Earth, he did so in order to prepare people for paradise—the next life. Kaminski, Giuliani, ZCF are very much like the Pharisees and the Jews in their expectation of a revolutionary political Messiah. This is undeniable and provable by the simple fact that these characters base most of their attacks on Christianity based on their humility. Kaminski and ZCF would be right there with the Pharisees 2,000 years ago condemning Christ to death because He wouldn't empower the people politically.

True Christians do not care if worldly governments persecute them because they know there is something better to come. Of course world governments will exploit this, but in the end, who ends up in paradise forever?

If Christians are right, would you rather live a miserable life on Earth for 60-80 years, if you are lucky, or paradise forever? And what if the world knocked the International Jews out of power, then what? You think there will be true democracy? Of course not, some other group will seek power. There is always someone looking to replace the Jew. Don't think for a minute that they couldn't be replaced or else you are a dreamer, a utopian dreamer.

[Anonymous]

I guess 2,000 years is not enough for you

About religious people having a lower IQ

[youtube:1cq9j2oe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO04pmW2Njk[/youtube]1cq9j2oe]

Goto 4 minutes in.

Pentecostals scored the lowest BTW  

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I'll watch this video later today. In the meantime, this is your only response to my paragraphs of rebuttals to Kaminski? I am a little disappointed, bluejelly, and frankly, I am becoming discouraged from responding to your posts.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Bluejelly, I'll take your silence as an admission that you are not looking for two-way dialogue at TIU.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

There have been many recent studies out showing that religious people have a lower IQ's than other people in general.

[youtube:tvs1jcb9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO04pmW2Njk[/youtube]tvs1jcb9]

Nyborg's hypothesis that religious adherents negatively correlate with IQ is flawed. He dishonestly separates those seeking a scientific approach to the universe from those seeking a supernatural approach to the universe. This is flawed because there is no group included of those seeking a scientific approach to a supernatural universe. Emmanuel Swedenborg was one of those with a scientific approach to our very supernatural universe. He had an IQ of 205. Or how about Sir Isaac Newton with an IQ of 190?

Come on, bluejelly, when you rig the game yourself, you can get any "scientific" finding you want. Global warmists, for example, are experts at this.