Israel's faulty claim to a faulty Jerusalem

[twiceborn]

I think we all have a pretty thorough grasp of the fact that Israel has no legitimate claim to any land in the Middle East. The the reasoning usually given is that most of the "Jews" in Israel are so-called "Ashkenazi" who did not originally come from the area. I have already adressed the "Khazar" = "Ashkenazi" question in my other articles.

(So who then do we think would have a legitimate claim to this area of the Middle east? Do we think the "Sephardim", who are       supposed to truly be of "semitic" (middle eastern) stock, have a legitimate claim, just because they are "real jews"? It seems like many people support the idea that there was an "ancient" Jewish kingdom in the area of modern Israel, and that this Biblical evidence is trustworthy.

What would you think if I could prove to you that the very area of the "Holy Land" is a fake. That modern "Jerusalem" is NOT the same city referred to in Biblical accounts, and that there was never any Jewish kingdom in that area to begin with?

Would the Ashkenazi vs. Sephardim question be mute? Would the idea of a biblical covenant be seen as ancient propaganda? Would the Biblical claims of the origin of the "Jews" themselves be called into question?

Yes.

----------------------(Modern Jerusalem's shady past)------------------------

So, lets take a look at modern day Jerusalem, located in Palestine. This city is admitted to be fairly recent, its history dating back only to the late 1800's.  In the center of the city is the area called the "old City", the ruins of the "Ancient Jerusalem" we read so much about in the Bible. Why is this significant?

The total area of the "Old City" is only 0.35 square miles or 1,800 feet squared. Basically, its the size of three Wal-Marts in length and depth. Keep in mind that we are told to believe that THIS IS THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE ANCIEINT CITY OF JERUSALEM, the "Old City". The rest of the sity is "urban sprawl" since the 1860's. This entire ancient city is barely as large as most indoor shopping malls (without the parking lot) , and is supposed to be one of the "Greatest" cities in the world, the head of the entire ancient empire of Israel? This very same city and the tales of its people form a large chunk of the Biblical accounts, so wouldnt you think it would be just a tad bigger?  
(Facts from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_%28Jerusalem%29 )

I think modern Jerusalem has a case of penis envy.

We are also to believe that in this "old city" is the site of the ancient "Temple of Solomon", which sat on the so-called temple mount, where the current dome now sits. It is considered the "holiest" place to Jews because of this and they still do their best Stevie Wonder impersonation at its base, the Wailing wall. ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... qgOHm_XBBA )

Shit, they even have little plastic chairs. It MUST be holy.

This site is also important to Islam as the supposed site where Muhammad had his "ascent into heaven". It must be noted that the Quran NEVER NAMES the place where Muhammad has his experience, and it is just assumed it was at Solomons temple. The location of this, their third most holy site is, the source of much infighting ans strife is, you know, um...        ...an educated GUESS.

Wouldn't your God be pissed if you were wrong?

Why, when you could pick anywhere in the world to associate with your spiritual leader's greatest spiritual acheivement, would you pick the most important city of your mortal enemies? A real contradiction. But I digress..

It is a historical FACT that there is no proof that Solomon's Temple ever existed here. In the
1990's they supposedly found an "Ivory Pomegranate" with old Hebrew text which was said to be from the tip of one of Temple Priest's staff. This was a prized find which gave the needed support to the Jew's claim on the area. In the past few years, a MASSIVE HISTORICAL RELIC FORGERY RING was uncovered in Israel and this very relic, the ONLY PROOF OF SOLOMONS TEMPLE BEING THERE, was declared a FAKE.
(From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6753063/ )

Now, as we know, any "massive forgery ring" would have made many, many, forgeries. It was reported that this group worked mostly on "Jewish" antiquities and religious relics. How many of these "relics", never uncovered or admitted as FRAUDS, are being used to support Jewish History today?


-------------------(Modern Jerusalem was only a Roman outpost)------------------------


The area of "old city" in modern Jerusalem was never a city to begin with. The size was too small and there were never any real settlements there until the late 1800's.

There were however, small desert settlements and outposts created during the various Roman empires to connect far flung parts of their empire together. The masonry and construction of "Old City" suggests just that, a Roman outpost in the Levant (The East). There are accounts of "Fort Antonia", but these are from some less than accurate ancient accounts and may or may not be the true name of the place. Something was built there, and there was even a small settlement of locals who lived there, but it was NOT Jerusalem.  (Picture of the supposed fort: http://www.askelm.com/temple/images/xmside.gif   ...this may not be totally accurate, but the SIZE of it is. Like I said, its pretty small.)

So my question is this,  WHY WOULD THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACE IN JEWISH HISTORY BE FORGOTTEN FOR 3000 YEARS?

What took the Jews so long? I have never found any ancient accounts of Jews trying to return to the area of modern Israel. They sat in their estates in Europe, longing the for their "holy land", but if they knew where it was and it was largely UNINHABITED at the time, then why not just pack you bags and go?  

What, you heard that you cant get a good corned beef Reuben in the middle of the desert? Go figure.

They actually didnt know where the "holy land" was in the middle ages. They knew it was not in the area of palestine, they even refer to "Palestine" in a totally non-sentimental way in their accounts of it. A far cry from the "motherland" shouts we hear today.



------------------(The Basis for believing in Jerusalem in the first place)-----------------------


We believe that there is probably a mountain of evidence suporting the "ancient Jerusalem" and most Biblical events for that matter. After all, is is the "historical truth" right? Million will fight, kill, and die for claim to these historical areas and ideas, the validity of which we never question, or check whatsoever. We are horribly mistaken.

ALL of the Ancient knowledge and "proof" of Jerusalem's existence comes from the Bible, which we should remember is only a book. The city exists nowhere except in the pages of this literary acount, and you'd be surprised how often this is the case in history.  
( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... bible.html )

Many archaeologists, motivated to prove their "faith" correct, have dug in the sands of the "holy land".  Most of these historians are Clergy. They find many things, but NONE OF THEM are irrefutable proof of the Biblical accounts. How do you prove that a pottery shard is that of the Biblical peoples and not from some other native group who never heard of "Israel"?

You can't.

Historical items are just that, items. We ASSUME we know where they come from, and we even try to prove it when it will suport our beliefs, but its all just guesswork. Very seldom do we ever find an "item" with a historical account, even in areas which suposedly housed millions of people over a thousand years. You think there would be more of their junk lying around.

Hell, in a thousand years we will all be "Xbox worshippers", who paid tribute to the "good king Geico", who's royal standard depicts a small lizard...

This is where the historical forgers come in. We also know that the Israeli ring, and others like it, also forge "antique" books and "original" literature, which is then said to be "found in some clay jars in a cave" or other such nonsense. They usually fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars and all you need to do is write them without any glarin errors and make them look old. This same hoax has been used over and over again for the past few thousand years.

This pretty much casts doubt on ANY claim made about the past, ESPECIALLY literary. Be especially wary of those historians who have a political agenda or who have enough funding to buy forgeries to back them up!

The man who found "Ancient Troy", Heinrich Schliemann, was known to buy forged objects and put them in his dig sites to be "rediscovered". There is even a sales reciept from a Parisian jewler for the so-called "Treasure of King Priam", the only tangible proof of Troy, which he sold to Schliemann before his excavations. This is a story better left for another day, but it is a good example of historians who we "respect"  these days who were less than honest in their work.

Often we will see one dubious book emerge, and then other people read it and write their own books about its ideas. This keeps going on and on, and eventually there is so much information, ALL OF WHICH is written about a bullshit work to begin with, that we assume its correct and "established". This is exactly the case for the "Khazar" story, which I outline here:
( viewtopic.php?f=21&t=129 )

Its the child's game "telephone", but with PhD's and peer review.

The same person who might be wary of an obvious hoax might believe it if he reads it written in another way, in another more polished mainstream book, regardless of the tale's accuracy. Be very wary when researching, for this is often the case.


-----------------(So, where else might Jerusalem have been located?)-----------------------


Lets look at it this way. Someone wrote the biblical accounts, although they were NOT writing about modern Israel. These writers may have been perfectly honest in their accounts, but their works have been twisted and the meanings given to an unrelated area or time period. The Bible did not come with a map or a calendar inside, and we really have no idea where or when it refers to.

In fact, the first efforts in the field of "chronology" were to determine ancient dates as a backdrop to the Biblical story. They wanted to find a history that they could "plug the biblical story into" to give it credibility. The first chronologists were two JESUITS, who had "converted" from JUDAISM, and wrote an entire history of the Earth, from Genesis onwards, in the mid 1400's. There was no chronology, no dating for events, before this. To illustrate how obvious a forgery these works were, these two Jews actually gave a Year, Day, and TIME OF DAY for EVERY historical event prior. These datings are STILL USED BY HISTORIANS TODAY, but we conveniently drop the day and time, for obvious reasons!

Go back a re-read what I just said. Let it sink in. Our history is a sham, and we dont know the half of it.

Obviously the "Jewish Faith" had to have come from SOMEWHERE. They themselves might be the unwitting dupes of a false history. The "Jews" are people too, and they have obviously been tricked into believing Israel is worth fighting for, and we think otherwise. Its only a difference in perspective, remember that.

None of us has the true story of history. This game is all about controlling the masses, and its working well.

So, assuming that the accounts were simply mistranslated, where else might "Jerusalem" have been located?  The name "Jerusalem" means literally "City of Peace". This is obviously a descriptive term, the same way "Big Apple" refers to New York. In this light, Jerusalem may NOT be the actual proper name of the city.  it was the descriptive term used by the Jewish population IN the city and its surrounding empire. We also know that it was a MAJOR city, very large, and the strong center of a major Kingdom. The city also had protective walls which stretched for a number of MILES. (over 6,000 meters long) These walls do not exist in modern Jerusalem, and its accepted that the Romans "totally dismantled" them, which is HIGHLY unrealistic. What a waste of time and manpower it would be to take apart, stone by stone, such a huge structure. And where did all the stones go anyway, hmmm?

What modern historians wont tell you is that there WAS another city referred to as "Jerusalem" up until the late middle ages. Some of the key features of this city are:
- It is located in the East, the very area we should look for the historical Jewish homeland
- This city was the main center of control for BOTH the Christian and Jewish faiths in the ancient world
- There are still large populations of both groups living there today
- This city is extremely large, with a huge influence on ancient history
- It was the capital of a large empire, which was called "ISRAEL" in antiquity.
- The province it was located in was called "JUDAH".
- it was controlled by a lineage of religious Kings (Jewish Patriarchs means "fathers")
- It still has a huge defensive wall which you can visit today, and many wars were fought for it.
- The major temples and sites still exist, including the the GREATEST TEMPLE OF THE ANCIENT WORLD.
- It was a bountiful area, capable of supporting an empire, unlike ancient Palestine.
- It is also at the "Crossroads of the World", the trade routes between Europe and Asia, just as described in ancient accounts.
- And MOST of all, this city was never "Forgotten", it never had to be "rediscovered" and it has a REAL, TRACEABLE HISTORY back to its beginnings. It is not a historical fairy tale that diappears when you look into its past.

...so far, it fits every description we could want for "Ancient Jerusalem", so where is it?

Its the city known today as modern "Istanbul", Turkey.

Lets face it, we in the West know little to nothing about this place. I was never taught about it in school, except in passing. Most Americans still think the place has camels and deserts, and killer Turks with scimitars. I went to Istanbul a few years back, and I looked into these accounts first hand. The city is nothing like what we have been taught , and all of the facts I have told you about it are 100% reliable.  I have seen them myself.

Most Christians dont even realize that their Church was CREATED in the area of Turkey, not Italy. Most of the Church Fathers were from the area, and its HIGHLY plausible that many of the accounts written into the Bible may have contained native accounts of their history.

The city itself has been called by many names in the past.
- New Rome (Novus Roma - Latin for "The (New) Nurturing Breast")
- Byzantium (Basilaea Romaon - Greek for "Empire of the Romans")
- Constantinople (Constantine-oplolis Greek for "Constantine's City")
- Istanbul (Istam-bolu Greek for "The City")
- Illion (Greek for "Many")
- Jerusalem (Hebrew - "City of Peace")

The Empire ruled over an empire which we call "Byzantine" today. But, it has been called the Eastern Roman Empire, Ottoman, and even ISRAEL depending on the time period. There are even existing ancient hand written maps which show the city as being named "Jerusalem".  (page. 331)
(From: http://books.google.com/books?id=fSvlaZ ... #PPA331,M1 )

The Biblical city of Jerusalem was described as being "by the waters". Historical depictions of Jesus's crucifixion show it on a hilltop overlooking the sea. Modern Jerusalem is 70 miles inland. Istanbul is on the Bosphorous, and is still a major port.

Ancient depictions of the city of Biblical-era Jerusalem show it with both MINARETS and Islamic crescents on the tops of buildings. The Crescent and Star has historically been the city heraldry for Constantinople, even in ancient times. (page: 80 & 246)
(From: http://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFAV ... BDjk6ympuc  )

The Israelites were made up of 12 tribes, eventually, a 13th was added at the end of the kingdom. The Eastern Empire was made up of 12 dioceses, or regions, and a 13th was added under the reign of Constantine II.  (page: 33)
(From: http://books.google.com/books?id=fSvlaZ ... #PPA331,M1 )

The Jewish Patriarchs have a lot in common with the Eastern Roman Caesars, in fact, down to the smallest of details. It has been postulated that the three greatest Jewish kings, "Saul, David, and Solomon" are Hebrew depictions of the famous Roman triad of "Sulla, Julius Caesar and Pompey". When compared, the actual life events of these rulers, their lifespans, length or rule, battles fought, and other facts, match up as a mirror reflection of the Jewish Patriarchs listed. The only part of their life story that changes is the name and time period attributed to them.  (p. 362)
(From: http://books.google.com/books?id=fSvlaZ ... vRl7L80x5w  )

There are even some matters in Church history that are seeming contradictions, such as:
"The Patriarchs of Jerusalem were subject to their brothers of Constantinople in civil matters." (p.367)
(From: The Catholic Encyclopedia  By Charles George Herbermann )

As for the location of Solomon's Temple, we need look no farther than the greatest and most massive  temple in the ancient world, modern Hagia Sophia (The Church of Divine Wisdom).  This temple, again, is a parallel to Solomon's, falling under siege and being rebuilt many times.  Compare the floor plan of Hagia Sophia to depictions of Solomon's Temple:
(Hagnia Sophia -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hagi ... ndriss.jpg )
(Solomon's temple - http://www.yahrzeit.org/goodfull.jpg )
Notice the front courtyard, enclosed with columns. They are nearly identical. Keep in mind that no one knows what Solomons temple looked like aside from the floor plan, and the main temple may very well have been a dome.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophian )

Another interesting fact about Solomon is the exact match to the name Suleiman, as in "Suleiman the Magnificent". Suleiman took over Constantinople and made Haghia Sophia his mosque. He was considered the wisest man, and a master magician. Just some food for thought.


--------------------(The Turkish Jews who write Hebrew)--------------------

There is a society of Crimean Jews (northern coast of the Black sea) who still speak Turkish and use HEBREW letters to write it.  These Jews "resemble the Tatar (Turkish) in appearance, language, and costume". This is tradition among them, and they are clearly not just mixing and matching alphabets and languages for the hell of it.  This area is not a part of Turkey, so they are basically using a foreign language to the area, again, as was tradition. This indicates that Hebrew was originally meant to go with Turkish, and may have been the original Turkish writing style.
(Map of Crimea: http://www.rentmyflatinfeodosia.com/feo ... a_map2.jpg )

We are to believe that the Turks are all card-carrying Muslims, and have been for ages. Its just not true.

In 1928 Kemal Ataturk introduced Latin as the written characters of the country of Turkey. Before that they used the "Ottoman script", basically Arabic, which was introduced when the Eastern Empire fell to the Ottomans (Islamic). The ORIGINAL script used in the Eastern Empire was HEBREW. The Hebrew script was used by government for official business, the empire was large and needed one "official" script so a governor of a province in Palestine could speak with one in Constantinople regardless of their spoken dialect. The general public in the empire spoke whatever language was local to them.

(p.s.- Ataturk was a "Crypto Jew", who was trained in Paris with the "Young Turks" - the Turkish Communist revolutionary movement. Part of his reforms was to change the language so Turkey could become part of a EUROPEAN UNION - this was planned in 1902 at the "Young Turk" conference in Paris.)

We all need to look at the fact that historically, Jews have been the doctors, lawyers, and tax collectors throughout the world. They live in self-imposed seclusion and only deal amongst themselves. The "Jewish Professions" have always been closed to outsiders, and they like it that way. These two professions, Law and Medicine are based TOTALLY on Roman ideas. They still use Latin as their language of choice, and still carry on business the same way they did hundreds of years ago.

Where did all the Jewish doctors and Lawyers come from when they came to Europe? Where did they recieve their training in these professions? Why would a tradition of ROMAN origin have been introduced into a "Khazar" or "Palestinian" ethnic group?
People never question how jews got their money in the first place, where the were able to get the capital to lend. They didn't come from a shithole in the desert, they came from a major empire with both wealth and education.

-----------------(Conclusions)----------------------

Well, thats all I got.

History is not so cut and dry, and it has been one of the main tools used to control us for thousands of years.

Ask yourself, "If I found out tomorrow that the US history is fake, and it only goes back to 1890 and was created by the George Bush's great granddaddy, what would I feel"?  Would I have any "national identity"? How about my patriotism and willingness to fight others to protect "my country"?

We identify with our histories on a personal level. We make them a part of who we are.

This tendency has been used against us, all of us, Jew, Christian and Muslim alike.

We are all pawns in this game. There are no countries, there are empires. The Roman empire never fell, it just got outsourced. We are all still slaves to something, some job, some religion, some government. The main war is not between people on either side of an imaginary border, it is between those who CONTROL our society and those who ARE the society.

They're winning.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for yet another informative piece.  I for one have come across the points you have mentioned in my own reading/research, specifically the aspects of contrived biblical archeology that was the principle technique used prior to the 1970's (and still remains to this day to some degree) for creating the history of "Israel" and other stories of the bible, where the archaeological "evidence" was used or rather manipulated to validate the biblical account.  Now more archaeologists and historians are openly looking at the validity of such evidence to come to a logical non-prejudiced non-belief based conclusion as to what the evidence actual means.  And the conclusions are that there is no evidence for the claims of a great Israeli kingdom in Palestine as the bible portrays.  Sources?  My memory, sorry folks  One of them is "The Mythic Past" by Thomas L. Thompson.

As for the Byzantine Istanbul Eastern Empire Israel stuff, still need to get my hands dirty with that  But your research makes me a "believer" (haha) so far

And excellent final words.

[twiceborn]

Thanks for the kind words aZiZx,

I do believe Biblical history is contrived, or rather a bastardized retelling of actual native beliefs. I am not denying that the Biblical texts were native stories and philosophy from the Eastern Mediterranean, I just believe they were rewritten and rehashed to serve the political agendas of the people ruling those areas (And all of the world ever since...).

Before the era of printing presses, you would find books and maps which gave differing locations for otherwise well known places. Cities and empires would change locations depending on who drew them up.

For example, does anyone here know that there was a "Babylon" in Egypt that was recognized long before anyone started excavating in Mesopotamia? Its still there, you can go to "Babylon fortress" and "Babylon Church" when you visit Cairo. They are considered the oldest non-dynastic ruins there. These were Roman era settlements, and it begs the question of if the Biblical accounts actually meant this region or the other. Hell, if thats the case, then the "tower of Babel" still exists (as one of the Pyramids), and the "historical" accounts of the Bible were not far flung ancient sources of te "Hebrew" nation, but contemporary writings from the era when the official Bible was created.

"Bible" does, after all, mean "Egyptian Papyrus" in Greek (Byblos).

So, you are absolutely correct in your assumptions. I'll have to check out that book you mentioned, and I will also be the first one to admit that I have no way of knowing if my theories are correct. It took millions of people thousands of years to make history, and I am just one guy on a computer!  

These are my own thought on the matter, and I wanted to share.

We all need to wake up and realize that we are not enemies if we believe something different from one another, that diversity  of thought is the spark which makes men great. We can all learn from one another, and indeed, that is the way human civilization is meant to work.

In the end, all that matters is that we question our present condition and search for OUR OWN TRUTH in it all.

Take care,
-twiceborn