Learned helplessness and my problems with Daryl

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Khanverse
I think I brought that up in my second post in this thread.
Yes, I think humans can owerwrie their feeling of learned helplessness. Let´s take a third approach.

There are people with extreme spider phobia. When they see a spider their cortex gets cut of and their reptile brain take complete charge over their behavior – there are people who faints when they see a spider (the play dead variant of the three wired in the reptile brain, flee and attack being the other two) . They can easily be treated with cognitive therapy and will overcome their fear by reasoning and guidance from a therapist in a calm environment.

I think the reverse is also possible- by inducing fear the people act less rational (for instance the fear of this terror threat when in reality the risk of being killed by a deer in a car accident  far exceed the risk being killed by a "Muslim terrorists"(more accurately: Mossad terrorists)  in US – even in my country,  Sweden,  people are afraid of terrorists even though nobody ever been killed by one in Sweden, other example could be climate changes, race hatred and so on). By presenting the idea that theres this giant jewish spider out there and there´s nowhere to hide (more then perhaps in the forest, surviving by killing deers and swapping gold with other terrified scouts) they get people feel small and helpless. But they are few and even though they are dangerous their main power lies in their ability to make us believe they are invincible. I mean they can´t beat the Palistinians in a place where jews are most densely populated ( my highest regards to the Palistinian people whos brave struggle ought to be an example to us all).

I think your right that Palestinians are more resilient then westerners to this form of mind control. Not because they are smarter, but because they are more critical then the westerners, who have become very naive and easy to lead (and I actually think my country far exceed US in naivety)

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This comic strip ought to be in my previous post but I thought of it to late and it was closed for editing, quite funny:

[jai_mann]

Khanverse
I think your right that Palestinians are more resilient then westerners to this form of mind control. Not because they are smarter, but because they are more critical then the westerners, who have become very naive and easy to lead (and I actually think my country far exceed US in naivety)

I would argue that it is actually the environmental circumstances which make the Palestinians more critical than Westerners. For example, the Palestinians have been physically forced from their homes by Jewish terrorists. They are herded, killed, and OVERTLY interacted with through coercive measures.

On the other hand you have westerners who have not been overtly coerced during the same decades long period. Instead they have been gradually mind fucked via one of the most intense brainwashing campaigns to have ever existed. It is through this gradual "attitude conditioning" that generations have been molded to go along with propaganda.

If you took either population and swapped the contextual situation I would wager that you would get similar results mainly as a result of the situation. Humans tend to have similar responses across situations. Not identical, but the "herd" tends to flow in certain directions. This is the kind of thing the ruling classes study. So when 9/11 happens they study the reaction of the population for further information as to how they can manipulate a population. Of course the life experiences up to that point will influence the population's interpretation. If the zionists pulled a "false flag" in the refugee camps the refugees would know damn well who to point the finger at. So instead you hear about "suicide" bombers attacking israeli's. How many of the bombs were Mossad plants to help demonize the refugees? How many "suicide" bombers had been absolutely brainwashed by Mossad into committing the action? We may never know but these are realistic questions given the modes of operation of the Mossad. The best bet for dealing with more false flags in the US is to keep hammering home the points regarding false flags in order to open up other "possibilities" for the foolish herd which relies on the ruling class to decide why events occur.

[Anonymous]

Americans and Europeans are way too comfortable for anything more than spreading information/spirituality to be useful at this point.

It's really nice the way you can categorise all Americans and Europeans into one neat little group. There are some on both continents who have a history of resisting tyranny and who did so for centuries before our Palestinian brothers and sisters were forced to do so. Nothing is as clear-cut as it might seem.

I'm guessing instead of categorizing all "jews" into "one neat little group" you consistently refer to the ones causing our problems as the "bad", "zionist", "elite" jews, eh?

I would really like to see what you mean by that statement though.

Maybe europeans and americans were also put in open air prisons, starved, blockaded, and bombed from the sky for 60 years as well.

[Free Truth]

How many of the bombs were Mossad plants to help demonize the refugees? How many "suicide" bombers had been absolutely brainwashed by Mossad into committing the action?

I have been thinking about this quite a bit.

Does anybody know of any audios or other links to info on this idea? That would be great.

The best bet for dealing with more false flags in the US is to keep hammering home the points regarding false flags in order to open up other "possibilities" for the foolish herd which relies on the ruling class to decide why events occur.

That is a good point.
Simply make as many people as possible familiar with what a false flag is. Just hammer it home, program them.
I will use that more in my talks with goy.

[jai_mann]

How many of the bombs were Mossad plants to help demonize the refugees? How many "suicide" bombers had been absolutely brainwashed by Mossad into committing the action?

I have been thinking about this quite a bit.
Does anybody know of any audios or other links to info on this idea? That would be great.

I don't know of any thing but as I said given the MO of the Mossad I would almost wager the bulk of the "suicide bombings" are staged if not all. If you want to dig into this I would highly recommend combing through Israeli papers (online would be most convenient, good luck if it's in Hebrew..). Find as many reports as possible on a given bombing, look for inconsistencies across stories, then look into the possibility of the event even being able to take place (ie: if the bomb material was listed, is it something these refugee/prisoner camps could either make or easily obtain?). Look to see what kind of legislation was immediately passed after such a bombing (that's what these shit heads do...). If it is restrictive legislation upon the refugees then that bombing should be suspect and possibly further investigated... Any way just some thoughts on the process. Others should throw in ideas too because THIS is an important issue.

The best bet for dealing with more false flags in the US is to keep hammering home the points regarding false flags in order to open up other "possibilities" for the foolish herd which relies on the ruling class to decide why events occur.

That is a good point.
Simply make as many people as possible familiar with what a false flag is. Just hammer it home, program them.
I will use that more in my talks with goy.[/quote]

If you are going to teach about false flags then it would be wise to avoid "controversial" (ie: main stream media has been involved in pushing an official line) material. IF you talk about 9/11 to someone who is indoctrinated they will be turned off to all further discussion regarding false flag material. You want to initiate the discourse by presenting evidence of distant and not so current issues/propaganda. This will allow you to get your foot in the door so that they will be open to FACTUAL evidence regarding the false flag technique. This needs to get hammered home before ANY sort of discussion regarding 9/11 or more recent and heavily propagandized issues. This will also help to give them a foundation from which to understand 9/11 from an entirely NEW perspective.

An example of this approach is how I just showed building 7 dropping to a friend and didn't get into the details of the issue. He sought out more info and had questions after that point. If you present conclusions the brainwashed have more of a foundation in BRAINWASHING information/sensitivity conditioning(emotional) and this is what they will rely upon in assessing the conclusion you present.

Just for shits and giggles: I've been listening through http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savage William Cooper mp3s. If you all haven't saved and listened to his work I would recommend you do so. One of the new things I've learned is that there is no way in Hell that the Moon landings occurred(I was leaning towards it being a hoax but had not researched it enough to decide...). The levels of radiation in the Ionosphere and the Van Allen belts would cook astronauts like hot dogs. It's a matter of an absolute physical impossibility. Now I'm jumping the gun in presenting evidence here but I expect that most of the people on this site are critical thinkers capable of doing some basic research. It's the sheeple who have a problem doing that... Look up Ionosphere, Thermosphere (never heard of that one either eh?), and "Nasa mooned america" for a book by Rene which includes citations regarding radiation levels.

[Free Truth]

I don't know of any thing but as I said given the MO of the Mossad I would almost wager the bulk of the "suicide bombings" are staged if not all. If you want to dig into this I would highly recommend combing through Israeli papers (online would be most convenient, good luck if it's in Hebrew..). Find as many reports as possible on a given bombing, look for inconsistencies across stories, then look into the possibility of the event even being able to take place (ie: if the bomb material was listed, is it something these refugee/prisoner camps could either make or easily obtain?). Look to see what kind of legislation was immediately passed after such a bombing (that's what these shit heads do...). If it is restrictive legislation upon the refugees then that bombing should be suspect and possibly further investigated... Any way just some thoughts on the process. Others should throw in ideas too because THIS is an important issue.

Yes I shall try that, good points.

I was hoping there would be an audio out there on the topic... I would also like to see more on truth in Iraq, who is killing the troops...kind of a similar situation. I have read a few short pages on jud. on Iraq, but it would be great to have more info for both topics.

[Free Truth]

The conversation kind of changed from the topic of the thread, what could this have to do with learned helplessness?

Well, what if there really isn't any mad men out to kill you, goyim  

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I do think they are out there but their power primary lies in leading the crowd in the desired direction.

I think they use different techniques for different segments of the population of a country.

For the small, but potentially dangerous , segment (as people on this forum) that are informed and know all about their destructive, deceitful history ,they use fear mongering and try to make people  feel helpless. The "gurus" that are allowed to pop up are those who invoke more fear and tries (willingly or as useful idiots)  to trigger of the "flee" reflex i the reptilian brain. Invoking the feeling that resistance  i futile and that their power is overwhelming and the best thing we can do fleeing while theres still time is essential to tame this segment. Promoting different conflicting views, sow as much uncertainty as possible in order to get us confused is also essential parts – confused people reacts less rational and are easier to guide. Much of their activity toward this group is damage control and contain the information from spreading.  

For other segments they use other ways to manipulate. I think for instance they use a completely different technique  on left winger utopian's  who don´t look back on history - the containment of the information is less important for this group – they are seen more as useful idiots (even though these left wings ideas often are well meant they almost always tends to be extremely naive). The technique towards this group is more of a guidance. The "gurus" for this group put  the pieces togheter on how the world should be seen and the naive flock endorse this view without thinking on their own – without ever seeing the missing parts.
I think for instance the gatekeeper Chomsky has this role. He talks in a soft, reasonable way and the things he says seems to make sense (provided you skip the parts he intentionally leave out from the the perception he want to impose – things the naive  leftist don´t have a clue about but Chomsky do ). By being a father figure (or perhaps more of a granddad) he get a upper hand in guiding his disciple towards the desired perception). As a therapist in cognitive therapy he¨s able to direct his disciples thoughts and reactions.
It´s interesting to note that  Chomsky is seen as a forerunner to the cognitive revolution in that his criticism of Skinners behaviorism made way for this view point. So Chomsky is most certainly most aware of these techniques and surely a master of it. I still enjoy listening to Chomsky though, mostly because I´m now able to see all the parts he intentionally leaves out. (for instance:  the roots and histicoric purpose of the anarchy he promotes, the fact that he never mention the concentration of jewish wealth and power , that he  never mention the fractional reserve system and the history of usury, his rejection of  all non government views of 911 as "conspiracy theories" and so on) It´s rather funny listening to all the holes in his rhetoric as a ex-believer and brained washed follower.

For the vast majority,  overlaying it all, is of course this bread and circuses for all segments as distractions. Entertainment in all of it´s forms are a sure way to dumb down the population.

[high_treason]

I don't really agree with your view regarding DBS, just look at the latest attack on his ally "Muhammed Rafiq". He scares them thats why they tried to take his group out the first time and succeeded now they fear his new group because:

a. They don't go around blaming anyone like the first group (Bollin, Hufshit)
b. They are very well informed especially in the most vital areas where the bankers have absolute control i.e. Finances
c. They have a much bigger audiance than the old FC
d. A lot of high profile guests are showing up on the FC

The new FC trio are DBS, Muhammed Rafiq and Andrew Hitchcook. DBS provides the platform, Muhammed Rafiq provides finance information, Andrew provides the historical perspective of the Rothschilds and the bankers. They don't seem to care about each one's individual alliance if you go to prothink's site he links to Andrew's new website, I don't know if he already knows or not but it still shows that even with Mike's stance regarding DBS doesn't stop the spread of information.

The reason why DBS doesn't give you the solution is because the group that caused our downfall has been doing it for  centuries and have had a great success. The solution will come in time, now is the time to inform and build a large base and gather resources then when we have all that we will be able to have a solution. Plus DBS himself is scared so its only natural that he projects his fear on his show, who wouldn't be if the Mossad is targeting you and you've made enemies with the group that controls the world.

DBS has his faults, but his show has had a large impact on many people. I even go to unrelated forums where politics are hardly discussed you should see how many people there hate israel's guts and have become regular listeners to the FC (they don't even know who Alex Jones is), if its Jews who set the FC up its like shooting themselves in the foot and if history has taught us anything they never shoot themselves in the foot. They are very powerful and they do control the world, but to be able to fight them atleast on equal grounds we first need to have many informed people around the world and from all walks of life. This has been happening lately on a large scale and gaining more traction every day, so lets just hope we get there soon and with no Jew-made obstacles.

[targa2]

Some good points.  DBS is a great guy and I sense no malice in him but the criticism of offering no solutions is correct.  I have tried to get Daryl to call me or at least reply to emails on several occasions to have a verbal discussion about 2 topics which provide actual , proven methods for grass roots solutions to the economic problem at least.  No response.  I am not asking to go on the show or anything, but I would if he thought it was up to par, and I know the info is up to par. I would happy to pay the bill for the call.

Example.  Has anyone ever looked at Community Currency projects?  I have worked in some capacity and and belong to one community currency project.  Sounds kinda week and limp-wristed eh! ?  Do a little research on what transpired in 2001 in Argentina with regards to community currency. This is what saved the Argentinians during that crisis.  You literally create your own local currency as a supplement to federal money and use it the same way.  I won't bore you with the mechanics of it here, but suffice it to say it IS a working solution that has been ,and is currently, very successful on a small scale . It is only small scale by choice. I know it won't save any lives in Gaza but neither will talking.  We will never vote away anything we are currently fighting against. You have to vote with your money. This is the power they have over us all.  You will never get the usurers to give up their grip, so you simply have to create an alternate economic universe and just start to walk away.

If you keep giving governments and bankers tons of your energy, they will continue to make war on us and everyone else. History is replete with this.  We have volunteered for all of this and we fucking well deserve it too. We may have done it through ignorance, but we volunteered none the less and now we are paying for it.  I've read 200 books and watched 1000's of hours of video and so have most of us.  We lost our sovereign  ground an increment at a time and that is how we will have to reclaim it.  Every time you spend a federal dollar a portion of the tax goes to kill a Palestinian.  We are all guilty.  Spending a community dollar may just save a life.

http://www.ithacahours.com/

http://www.saltspringdollars.com/

Anyone think this is not a worthwhile topic for a show?

[targa2]

A supplement to the last post.  Go to the Salt Springs Island Community Currency web site  (  http://www.saltspringdollars.com/  )and look under the heading  " who accepts $$? "


You will see that CIBC accepts it.  That is The Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce !!!!!!!!!!  Uh Huh. That is one of the largest chartered banks in Canada.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Interesting. !!!