Italy's Financial Police have seized US Bonds worth US 134.5

[curioustoo]

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/06/i ... bonds.html

[LordLindsey]

From what I remember, actor Don Johnson was in Germany/Italy when he was detained for carrying SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS worth of bonds and other cash instruments about 6-7 years ago, or so.  That was about the biggest cash "situation" ever and it involved Don Johnson, which made it MUCH MORE bizarre.  This is a different animal because it involves nearly $135 BILLION and what is even MORE troubling is that they are in increments of $500 MILLION, which means that governments were obviously involved in this.  Look, people, NO ONE other than governments or the controllers of the banks can possibly have access to that much money and certainly not at one time.  Also...you would expect that if this was something very serious and involved some real bad guys, the cops who discovered this could simply be paid-off or whatever else is done when circumstances like this happen.

The sheer amount of money involved tells me that this was a secret governmental/banking transaction, and what I want to know is WHY was this a secret transaction?

LINDSEY

[Ognir]

Don Johnson that gobshite, got a link there for me LL? as I don't remember ever hearing about that

[Yammitor]

Max Keiser maintains that the bonds are counterfeit and were being moved around to from different countries and various banks as need to satisfy balance sheet requirements and to keep the Ponzi scheme rolling  8-) .


Talks about this issue in the 1st quarter of the file..
The Truth about markets - $134.5 billion in bonds
http://ia301536.us.archive.org/2/items/MaxKeiserRadio-TheTruthAboutMarkets-13June2009/tam130609.mp3

He talked about same issue back in November 08, but above audio file is better.

[youtube:2eruewfl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiWd0bGAdc[/youtube]2eruewfl]

[Yammitor]

First half highlights are in bold for faster reading, second half is worth a read i think.

Smuggling Or Counterfeit-Printing?
Thursday, June 11. 2009
Posted by Karl Denninger
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1114-Smuggling-Or-Counterfeit-Printing.html

Ok, this was rumored several days ago, but now I can find actual news reports - at least, outside the US:

    Milan (AsiaNews) –  Italy's financial police (Guardia italiana di Finanza) has seized US bonds worth US 134.5 billion from two Japanese nationals at Chiasso (40 km from Milan) on the border between Italy and Switzerland. They include 249 US Federal Reserve bonds worth US$ 500 million each, plus ten Kennedy bonds and other US government securities worth a billion dollar each.

Those sound like Bearer Bonds - at least the Kennedy ones do.

We no longer issue those (nor does pretty much anyone else) for obvious reasons - they're essentially money and can be had in VERY large size, making them great vehicles for various illegal enterprises.

But folks: This is $134.5 billion dollars worth.

If they're real, what government (the only entity that would have such a cache) is trying to unload them?

If they're fake, this is arguably the biggest counterfeiting operation ever, by a factor of many times.  I've seen news about various counterfeiting operations over the years that have made me chuckle, but this one, if that's what it is, is absolutely jaw-dropping.

The cute part of this is that if the certificates are real Italy just got a hell of a bonanza - their money laundering laws provide for a statutory 40% penalty for failure to declare instruments and cash in excess of $10,000 Euros, which means they'd garner a close-to-$40 billion dollar windfall.

That ought to help their budget problems!

Notice, by the way, that the US Media has totally ignored this story - even though the securities in question are allegedly US instruments.

Gee, I wonder why?  Might the authorities know they're real and be just a wee bit nervous that disclosure of a sovereign attempting to covertly dump nearly $140 billion in debt could cause a wee bit of panic, given that we're running nearly $200 billion a month in deficits?

Inquiring minds want to know what's really going on here.

The Saga Of The Bearer Bonds
Saturday, June 13. 2009
by Karl Denninger
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1119-The-Saga-Of-The-Bearer-Bonds.html

It just gets more and more odd after my original report, with the latest coming from a German newspaper (translation courtesy of Google):

Hit for the Zöllner: The contraband securities valued at 134 billion U.S. dollars are apparently real. Die italienische Finanzpolizei hatte zwei Japaner ertappt, die im doppelten Boden eines Koffers milliardenschwere Anleihen in die Schweiz schaffen wollten. The Italian financial police had two Japanese caught in the false bottom suitcase billion-dollar bonds in Switzerland wanted to create. Von dem Fund profitiert das hochverschuldete Italien.

Note that this has received very little coverage in the so-called "mainstream US media" - but it is everywhere in Europe and Asia.

Japan, for its part, oddly said the following as soon as this story started to hit the press:

"We have complete trust in the fact that the U.S. views its strong-dollar policy as fundamental," Yosano, 70, said in an interview in Tokyo on June 10 before attending a Group of Eight meeting of finance ministers starting today in Italy. "So our trust in U.S. Treasuries is absolutely unshakable."

Uh huh.  And the Japanese said in December of 1941 that all was well too.  Anyone remember what happened on the morning of the 7th?

No need to highlight the rest in bold.

Let's apply a little "Occam's Razor" to this entire story.

You're not going to walk into a bank with $130 billion in bearer bonds and cash them.  Nor are you going to sell a bond with a $500 million face value to someone without them authenticating it.  They will be authenticated before you get one dime out of them - no matter who you think you're going to "give" them to.

So if they're fakes and you're "just screwing around", there is no reason to hide them.  Nor is there any particular reason to have authentic and recent original bank documents in your luggage with them, as has been reported.

Next, unless someone knew you were smuggling them, why would you be subject to that sort of search?  What made the people involved "interesting" to the authorities?  This doesn't sound like a random stop to me; how many people are carrying $130 billion in bearer bonds at any given point in time?  No, someone was tipped off that this was happening.  Now why would you bother to stop them here, prior to their attempted delivery of such instruments, if they were fake?

Think about this: You know someone is smuggling a load of drugs.  You can either bust them immediately or you can tail them and bust them when they show up at the "meet" to exchange the dope for the money.  If you do the former the guys with the money get away, having committed no crime.  But if you do the latter, you get to bust both the courier and the purchaser - two times the effectiveness for the price of one, and double the seizure value, since you get to seize the cash too!

So let's assume that the certificates are real, as German media seems to believe and which, by the way, makes logical sense given what they were and the sheer impossibility of cashing a fake $500 million bond.

Ok, who has $130 billion in bearer bonds?  Remember, bearer instruments haven't been issued by the Treasury since 1982, when they became illegal to issue, at least to US institutions and residents (there was an exception carved out for Treasury instruments issued to non-US residents in 1985 - a time of high deficits)  The answer to that question: it is rather unlikely that there remains $130 billion of legitimate US Bearer issuance outstanding anywhere - to anyone.

Mr. Holmes would be initially puzzled by such a caper.  On the one hand we have the impossibility of the bonds being real, because there simply isn't $130 billion of issues remaining outstanding.  On the other hand we have the impossibility of negotiating a fake $500 million bearer instrument, making the exercise of counterfeiting one expensive and futile.

This leaves us with more questions than answers at this point.  

Or does it?

As Mr. Holmes is famously rumored to have said, "once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however implausible, must be the truth."

So what remains?  Let's run a theory here - one of the few possible remaining options, given the exclusion of what we know not to be true...

Are we willing to assume that all the "issue" of Treasury bonds has been done "above board" as required by law.  If Treasury has been surreptitiously issuing bonds to, say, Japan, as a means of financing deficits that someone didn't want reported over the last, oh, say 10 or 20 years, then the following is about to occur:

Who could have possibly been complicit in such a scheme?  I can come up with only two nations (and only nations could be involved due to size): The Japanese and Chinese.  Since the two individuals who were arrested were reported to be Japanese nationals......

There are tremendous implications in an event like this, again, assuming the bonds are real.

The owner is going to want them back, of course.  But Italy is going to keep a third as their statutory penalty for non-declaration on the border.  Oops.  That's great for Italy, but it blows bananas for the actual owner.

Of course Italy (or the US!) could declare them "fake" and as a consequence simply burn them.  If they are in fact real, that's an even bigger problem.  See, Bearer Bonds are issued without registration - they are as anonymous as a $100 bill in terms of who owns them.  That's one of their "features", and why they were often used for various clandestine money operations.  So if they are real and are destroyed, the owner is out of luck - their money is gone just as it is if you burn a $100 bill in an ashtray.

How much is $130 billion in this context?  About 1/5th or so of what Japan legitimately owns of US Treasury debt.  How would you like to take an instantaneous (and permanent!) 20% haircut on your securities?  That's what I thought.

To add some balance here, there have been stories about fake bearer bonds coming out of North Korea and other places for years.  But the idiocy of attempting to pass a $500 million certificate belies this possibility - who in the name of God would take such a thing and give you anything for it without authenticating it first?  While bearer instrument are "anonymous" in terms of who owns them, their authenticity is easily verified as they ARE serialized instruments.

I remain puzzled, and am not advancing the above theory as fact.

It is, however, one of the few explanations that actually fits the facts, and for that reason, I think we need some answers.  If in fact previous administrations were issuing "off-book" Treasury debt in this fashion to sovereigns then implications are truly explosive as such issues are blatant and outrageous unlawful acts and would expose everyone involved to severe criminal penalties.

Let's hope we get those answers, and this isn't one of those "funny things" that just disappears into the night.