TFC TiU - DARYL RAFEEG & OGNIR 14th June 09

[Ognir]

Daryl Bradford Smith http://iamthewitness.com
Ognir TiU Radio http://theinfounderground.com

Recorded 14th June 09

TFC with guests Ognir & Rafeeg

Lively conversation
Financial
Ireland and Lisbon 2
Gold & ETFs
Zionist Crimes


http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... UNE.09.mp3

[rmstock]

4.5 million Irish people.... ehh less pull the calculator, that will
take 4.5 Trillion EURO to make em all millionaires. If Merkel and
Zarkozy are enough power hungry, the Irish Prime minister should demand
EUR 4.5 Trillion for his signature on the Lesboa Treaty.

But remember folks, by the time Merkel has arrived home from her Irish
envoy, she will read inside  der Süddeutschen Zeitung that a
conservative college of Merkel in South Bavaria will have veto-ed the
Lissabon Treaty :

From: Arend Lammertink <lamare@gmail.com>
Subject: [Pressreport e/o Article] Karlsruhe 30 juni 2009,
              end station for Lissabon treaty?

Karlsruhe (DE) - The Bundesverfassungsgericht, The German State
Constitutional Court, will plead a verdict on June 30, 2009
wether or not the Lissabon Treaty is in agreement with The
German Constitution. Germany has, contrary to our country
(The Netherlands), a Constitutional Court which has the
competence to review laws and treaty's to judge if they meet up
with standards of the German Constitution. In this case
it means that in fact a veto can be pronounced over
the Lissabon Treaty and as such force European Politics
back to the negotiation table.
....
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(translation is in the works ...)

Sources :
http://www.minbuza.nl/ecer/nl/laatsteni ... richt.html

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub99C3EECA60D84C0 ... ntent.html

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/331/443070/text/

http://www.rug.nl/Rechten/faculteit/ove ... ezingVries

http://www.radio-utopie.de/2009/04/20/S ... e-Republik

Further info :
http://www.teameurope.info/taxonomy/term/23

http://blog.zeit.de/bittner-blog/2009/0 ... tz-aus_254

http://www.minbuza.nl/ecer/nl/laatsteni ... sruhe.html

http://euobserver.com/18/28219

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Karlsruhe-en ... 13840.html

http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/07/lissa ... ngsgericht

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/deut ... 22,2728396

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland ... 03782.html

http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deu ... ag;2147379

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/vertrag ... on100.html

http://blog.zeit.de/bittner-blog/2009/0 ... tz-aus_254

http://eudssr.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/ ... gsgericht/

http://www.euractiv.com/en/future-eu/ge ... cle-179372

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 33057.html

http://www.zeit.de/2009/07/Lissabon-Vertrag

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub99C3EECA60D84C0 ... ntent.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/columnist/ ... sruhe.html

http://www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/hint ... ik/917095/

http://www.radio-utopie.de/2009/04/20/S ... e-Republik

[HHAndy]

Hi rmstock

Don´t rely on the German Constitutional Court to come to the rescue. Based on recent decisions, I´d say there is no chance they will make an objective and correct decision. The adoption of the Euro had a similar challenge, but was quickly dismissed. I´d be staggered if the same does not happen here.

Andy

[rmstock]

You know, that I know, that we all know , that the Lissabon Treaty
is a filthy powergrab by fascist types. If The Bundesverfassungsgericht,
does not veto the Lissabon Treaty, there will be some Germans
dropping dead in very high places. That's not a promise, its a guarantee.

Why? Because its a matter of life and death for humans in
our Western society. If your from Germany, you better start
looking for some safety belts.

R.M. Stockmann
--
Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
crashrecovery.org  mailto:stock@stokkie.net">stock@stokkie.net

[rmstock]

Constitutional Court allows Lissabon Treatty only under additional agreements

Constitutional Court Judge in Karlsruhe: Lissabon treaty is conformal to
the German Constitution - although only under additional agreements

  Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe : The Lissabon Treaty is in agreement with
     the German Constitution - but only under special circumstances
     http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 89,00.html

   "30.06.2009
   
    EU-REFORM

    At this judgment are all eyes of Europe. The German Constitutional
    Court has allowed the EU-Reform treaty, but demands rework and more
    participation of the German Parliaments. The Ratification has
    however been stopped - until a special meeting has been convened
    for which the German Parliament will interrupt its Summer break.
   
    Karlsruhe - Germany is not allowed, for the time being, to ratify
    the Lissabon EU-reform treaty. The German law Agreement to the
    Treaty system is however mend-able with the German Constitution.
    Before Bundes President Horst Köhler places his signature
    underneath the treaty, the Participation rights of both the
    Bundestag and Bundesrat (Lower and Upper House of Parliament) must
    be substantially reinforced, as was meant by the Verdict of Tuesday.
   
   
       Constitutional Court Judge in Karlsruhe: Lissabon treaty is conformal to
       the German Constitution - although only under additional agreements
   
    The ratification document to the Lissabon Treaty will therefor, for
    the time being, not be deposited, until a appropriate law has been
    put into force, as was decided by the constitutional guardians.  
    Foreign Minister Steinmeier (SPD) had traveled to Karlsruhe for
    this pronouncement of judgment.
   
    The Lissabon Treaty should further the competencies of Brussels and
    make the EU leaner, more democratic and more decisive.  Last year
    German Parliament blessed with a large majority an agreement law
    with which the EU-reform treaty had been approved.
   
    Bundes President Köhler had delayed his signature underneath the
    treaty, in order to take consideration for the decision in
    Karlsruhe -- now it has been laid down on ice even longer. Besides
    Germany, also Poland, the Czech Republic and Ireland still haven't
    ratified the treaty.
   
    The plaintiffs - among which CSU-Representative Gauweiler -, who
    filed a complaint at the Court, fear however, "that further
    uncontrolled power will be given to the EU-Committees". The treaty
    damages the sovereignty of the German Republic, while the EU and the
    European Court of Justice could pull further authorities away.
   
    German Parliament interrupts summer break
   
    The Constitutional Court Judges partially honored the plaintiffs
    demands : The Parliament and the Upper House are so-far not
    sufficient participated inside the European Union, as was said in
    the Judgment reasoning.
   
    After the words of the Court, German accompanying law, which
    regulates participation of parliament by decree of European
    Regulations, points to deficiencies and must be improved.
   
    Only then can a ratification document be deposited. "The
    Constitution says yes to Lissabon, but demands on national level a
    reinforcement of integration responsibility in parliament", as said
    Vice president Andreas Voßkuhle during Pronouncement of judgment.
   
    Through this verdict German parliament gets in time pressure -- The
    treaty should at least starting 2010 be enacted. "The Senate is
    however confident, that the last hurdle for Deposition of the
    Ratification document will be taken soon", said Voßkuhle.
   
    German Parliament will now interrupt its summer-break and on August
    26 gather for a special meeting -- as was agreed by the coalition
    leaders immediately after the announcement of judgment. On that day
    a first reading to a new amendment in German law shall take place,
    as was said by a spokes-woman of the SPD fraction in Berlin. The
    final vote will then happen on September 8 -- the day for which the
    first reading of the 2010 Household has been planned.
   
    "Historic Judgment"
   
    The Union-Delegates Gauweiler (CSU) and Willy Wimmer (CDU) had
    voted in April 2008 in German Parliament against the Lissabon
    Treaty. The former Secretary of Defense Wimmer declared after the
    pronouncement of judgment in a conversation with SPIEGEL ONLINE,
    that the battled decision by his colleague Gauweiler will become of
    historic importance. With this he will have "ensured the substance
    of the German Rule of Law and the self-determination of the German
    people on the road of our expressed desire of a freedom abiding,
    peaceful, and social Europe."
   
    The disempowerment of German Parliament as a valid representation
    of citizens in the parliamentary democracy has been stopped
    substantially by this decision. "its now up to German Parliament, to
    vote against the ordered powerlessness and become a mouthpiece
    again of the German people", said Wimmer.
   
    Court awards itself with more authority
   
    In addition, the Constitutional Court assigned itself with a
    stronger control function. It is necessary that the German
    Constitutional Court guards and ensures, that Brussels does not
    harm constitutional identity and "not evidently exceeds its granted
    authority", as explained by the Court.
   
    Against the Lissabon-treaty drawn for the Court were, besides
    Gauweiler, a group around ex-MEP Franz Ludwig Graf von Stauffenberg
    (CSU), the left-wing faction in German Parliament as well as Klaus
    Buchner, Chairman of the Ecological-Democratic Party.
   
    Correction : In a earlier version of this text it read, the
    Union-Delegates Gauweiler and Wimmer had voted as the only ones
    inside their Parliamentary group against the Lissabon-treaty.  That
    is wrong, also five further Union Delegates voted with no. We
    apologize for this error."
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Robert
--
Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
crashrecovery.org  mailto:stock@stokkie.net">stock@stokkie.net

[HHAndy]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 33,00.html

Saying Auf Wiedersehen to a Strong Europe

By Hans Hoyng

Euro-skeptics have plenty of reasons to celebrate. By strengthening national parliaments vis-a-vis the EU, Germany's highest court has ended the dream of a 'United States of Europe.' And that's good news for Eastern European countries, who often feel bullied by Germany, the alliance's heavyweight.

A few years ago, continental Europe was busy trying to present itself as a convincing alternative to American neoconservatives and their power-hungry worldview. And, in doing so, "Old Europe" actually experienced a completely unexpected resurgance. In the minds of its inhabitants, the European Union was the perfect alternative to an enormous United States that was drunk on power, savouring its "unipolar moment" and not giving a hoot about either its allies or enemies. To them, it was soft power against the hard US way of doing things --wanting to impose Western democracy on the entire world at any price. These were the issues that historians and political scientists were debating at American universities and at think tanks in the US capital.

Germany's highest court has literally barred Angela Merkel and any subsequent chancellor from giving up any additional powers to the European Union.

If we take a look, they said, can't we see that the EU is currently expanding democracy, freedom and prosperity -- and in a peaceful way? Of course, it's not trying to do things like they've been done in Iraq. No, in the EU, sovereign nations have relinquished part of their rights in order to attain something better for all of those concerned. A few years back, you could often hear the phrase "the European model." And Europe could have served as a model -- at least until the next regional or global crisis that proved once again that the EU's 27 member states had still not forfeited enough sovereignty or mustered the nerve to share a joint foreign policy. In other words, it was enough until everyone called on the US again to make everything all right.

After each of these embarrassing episodes, there was always new hope that everything would get better. At first people thought this would happen after Europe had a constitution in place. And, then, after the word "constitution" was ditched following failed referenda France and the Netherlands, people thought that everything would get better once the Lisbon Treaty was ratified. If the EU could only get to that point, they thought, it would actually have a number it could be reached at, a genuine foreign minister and a president of the European Council who actually stayed in office for two and a half years. And maybe, just maybe, something approximating joint foreign policy would develop, bringing the EU's 500 million inhabitants into a recognizable bloc and earning them some respect.

Now, there's actually going to be a Lisbon Treaty, a telephone number and a foreign minister to boot (provided that Ireland -- which already rejected Lisbon once in a referendum last summer -- the Czech Republic and Poland don't pull the plug at the last minute). But, as both those who support and oppose continued European integration will confirm, there's not going to be much more than that. And the reason for that can be found in Tuesday's decision by Germany's Federal Constitutional Court, based in the western city of Karlsruhe. Karlsruhe said "Enough!" and it drew a line in the sand separating Brussels' power from its own. "The primary responsibility for integration is in the hands of the national constitutional bodies which act on behalf of the peoples," the court said in a press release accompanying its decision.

In other words, the court is talking about national parliaments, the true paragons of democracy (even if they do lie about their travel expenses a bit in London). In the court's opinion, unlike the European Parliament, these bodies don't have a "structural democratic deficit." And it's right: The fact that it only takes 70,000 voters in Luxembourg to get a seat in the European Parliament, while it takes 800,000 German voters to do the same thing, is proof in itself that there is no equality when it comes to voting. Given such deficits, the court came to the conclusion that further steps toward integration may "undermine (either) the states' political power of action (or) the principle of conferral."

Or, as the court clearly stated in its press release: "European integration may not result in the system of democratic rule in Germany being undermined." It's a sentiment shared by the people of the Czech Republic, Ireland and Great Britain (and they're serious about it there, where the typical British euro-skeptic already thinks of the European Parliament as the "mother of all parliaments"). People aren't talking about a unified Europe anymore. Nowadays, you're much more likely to hear people talking about a "Europe of the fatherlands."

Now everyone is rushing to declare they could live perfectly fine with this decision. And, sure, they probably could. Eastern Europeans, for example, interpret the court's decision as meaning that Germany's chancellor won't be able to boss new member states around anymore and to tell them where they stand in the pecking order when it comes to EU politics. For years, Germany has been viewed as an overzealous motor for integration, who bullied its partners into forfeiting the sovereignty that some of them had actually just won for themselves. But that's a thing of the past now that the German court has explained to Germans and Europeans alike where true democracy lies -- in the countries themselves.

Long-standing euro-skeptics like the British will say that, in doing so, Germany has finally made up its mind that Europe is an unruly, undemocratic monster. Still others will say that this decision reflects the reality that Europe is not a truly united entity and that, as a result, it has put the (what is, in terms of realpolitik, useful) kibosh on the altogether too ambitious fantasies about a future "United States of Europe."

The decision once again anchors Europe's power a bit more securely in its capital cities. And the only ones who won't support it are euro-boosters like Cohn-Bendit and Joschka Fischer, who are fervent in their belief that the process of European integration has not kept pace with the thoroughly globalized world.

In the past several years, European power has in fact been largely concentrated in the capital cities. For people like Sarkozy and Merkel, it ultimately didn't matter who, within their ranks, happened to be playing the role of president of the European Commission. But now Germany's highest court has literally barred them from giving up even the tiniest portion of that power.

Of course, there are still a few issues to clear up in the parliament in Berlin, which the court has so affectionately annointed the true refuge of democracy. The parliamentarians could use that type of encouragement. It does their souls some good after all the abuse they've gotten from the grand coalition, which really didn't say much of anything to them all year long. Indeed, for both Germany and Europe, politics has been something that happens elsewhere.

[rmstock]

Saying Auf Wiedersehen to a Strong Europe

Ah you mean "Saying Auf Wiedersehen to a Fascist Europe" ..
That's the good news yes. In fact, as we still have the EURO
Europe could never have been stronger.