Resurrection of Jesus - Was It a Con ?

Started by abduLMaria, August 22, 2009, 01:07:08 PM

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abduLMaria

first of all, i will apologize to anybody who is offended by the question.  it is not intended to erode anybody's Christian faith.  i want to better understand the relation between Jews & Christians.

we are told that Jesus was crucified on Good Friday, and that his body was taken down and placed in a tomb, by his followers.

then we are told that, 2 days later, they went to check on the body, and it was GONE ! - and that his was taken as evidence of His resurrection.

Question #1 - if human beings can place a body in a tomb, what stops them from surreptitiously removing the body from the tomb ?

then there is another section of the Bible where they talk about Jesus walking around after the crucifixion, and indicating the wound in his side, inflicted upon him by the soldiers who crucified him.

Question #2 - who was it that reported seeing Jesus walking around after his supposed resurrection ?

Paul was Jewish, and it is his testimony that led to much of what we now call Christianity.

How do we know that the resurrection of Jesus wasn't a big con, possibly performed by Jews, possibly performed for benevolent reasons - but a Con nonetheless ?
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Yammitor

Hurray another atheists vs non-atheists debate featured specially here on TiU.  :P
This is a recurring issue that always crops up given enough time.

I do not think its so simple as simplifying christianity to "Resurrection of Jesus" Yes or No, the bible is more complicated than that.
Everyone must decide for themselves what direction they will take in their life.

Let the faction wars begin. I predict a stalemate.  8-)

Allow me to modify your original question if i may, that is more specific. As what is a Jew ??? these days or back in the time of Jesus thats a big question and a whole new thread.

Was the resurrection of Jesus a Con by the the Pharisees ?
No

Paul was a Pharisee by belief until his conversion, we can have a whole new debate on if Paul was a racial jew or not, but thats another more complicated atheists vs multiple factions of different non-atheists debate and another stalemate  8-)
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CrackSmokeRepublican

Was there a "Historical Jesus?"
Let's start with that. But beware, it is a trick question...  ;)
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

abduLMaria

i notice that the Zionists have a pattern.

when someone emerges who is a certain threat to their dreams of world domination, they have a 2 step process -
A/  they kill that someone
B/  they build monuments to that person.

JFK, for example.  he told Ben Gurion to STOP the Israeli nuclear program.  Ben Gurion responded by resigning.  JFK was killed.  Israel got their nuclear materials.  JFK got lots of monuments & even got his picture on the 50 cent piece.

another example - Paul Wellstone.  one of the little details that lead me to believe that it was an assassination is that local Minnesota news media reported that the FBI van that went to investigate the crash site left the office BEFORE the plane left the ground.

Wellstone was a huge impediment to the first Iraq War and i'm sure he was putting together the pieces about 9-11.

well, maybe Wellstone doesn't quite fit the pattern i cited at the beginning - he doesn't have any monuments, yet.

Martin Luther King would be another example.  what city doesn't have a street or school named after him ?

going back to the time of Jesus - he was a serious change agent (i think, i wasn't there).  so, he had to go.

i can image the Jews rubbing their chins thoughtfully and smiling greedily and thinking, "hmmm, maybe we can use this."

in any case, Jesus fits the pattern on display in the 20th century - he was a change agent, he was killed, he had monuments erected to him.

i see the Zionists practicing this MO in the 20th & 21st century.  it makes me wonder is they were using the same MO back around 30 AD or whatever year it was when they killed Jesus.
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CrackSmokeRepublican

In a weird sense Jesus could be seen as the ultimate enemy of the Jewish Rabbis/Sanhedrin/Scholars.

Not only did his little sect spread and destroy the very profitable Jewish centers of the Roman Empire, Jesus as the forsaken Messiah for both Goyim and Jews, aimed at converting Torah Jews to his promise of a New Kingdom.  Jewry duped by generations of Sanhedrin/Pharisical Law was his primary audience. He always stressed that his Kingdom was "Not of this earth" and open to all the nations. Consequently, he had a long view of events and stressed that the Roman Empire would fall. As did his prophets.

The Jews would have to have hatched a self-immolating plan to support the Jesus Con theory IMHO.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Free Truth

QuoteIn a weird sense Jesus could be seen as the ultimate enemy of the Jewish Rabbis/Sanhedrin/Scholars.

Not only did his little sect spread and destroy the very profitable Jewish centers of the Roman Empire, Jesus as the forsaken Messiah for both Goyim and Jews, aimed at converting Torah Jews to his promise of a New Kingdom. Jewry duped by generations of Sanhedrin/Pharisical Law was his primary audience. He always stressed that his Kingdom was "Not of this earth" and open to all the nations. Consequently, he had a long view of events and stressed that the Roman Empire would fall. As did his prophets.

This in addition to the establishment and the Synogogue of Satan either killing or corrupting CHRISTianity to this day is the ultimate testament to Lord Jesus IMHO. Further, considering the purity of his loving teachings, I don't care if it's true or not whether he rose again or even existed all together. I've accepted Lord Jesus in my heart and try to emulate him, either way!

I want to share this (first part, to about 2 mins, is especially great!)  

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abduLMaria

Quote from: "Free Truth"This in addition to the establishment and the Synogogue of Satan either killing or corrupting CHRISTianity to this day is the ultimate testament to Lord Jesus IMHO. Further, considering the purity of his loving teachings, I don't care if it's true or not whether he rose again or even existed all together. I've accepted Lord Jesus in my heart and try to emulate him, either way!

i completely agree, what Jesus taught & lived was sacred.

however, Israel & the Zionists are using Christians & Christianity, and that behavior goes pretty far back.

what i had been taught was that the absence of Jesus' body was taken as evidence of His Resurrection, and obviously human beings do move bodies, and it's possible that this happened with Jesus' body.

i have also heard that Jesus was walking around after the crucifixion, and that he showed people the hole in his side from the spear.  so then the question is, who documented this and what was THEIR motivation ?

my learning curve regarding the cruelty & criminality of Zionists changed a lot since their attack on Gaza in December 2008/ January 2009.  very painful to watch, but also educational.

in asking questions about Jesus i'm not intending to slander him.  i'm just trying to connect the dots, based on what i have recently learned about the Zionists' and some Jews' capacity for deception of their fellow humans.
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