this recording on iamthewitness a blockbuster

[jai_mann]

Feck sake LS, Ron Paul has been on AJ for at least the last 5 years if not longer, so bullshit he didn't know about 911, that's pretty weak :roll:

Ron Paul is a mason so he's just playing his role. I had no faith in him before he was interviewed at an airport about his views on 9/11, when he had the chance to actually say something important and he towed the line-just like I knew he would.

Self-Governance over governance by others.

[Large Sarge]

your stolen CC analogy is pretty good, but lets follow it out a step or 3

in the analogy you just say "F em all, we are not responsible"

now how that translates in the real world is every foreigner holding dollars is "getting F ed"

to add to this, is the fact that the U.S. has no industry left, and imports everything (and they are destroying our remaining agricultural base)

they of course did this by design

if we
 say "f em all", we have nothing here, and all our troops are overseas....

We produce nothing in the U.S. anymore, we are forced to import everything, so if say "F Em" we are cutting our own throats.


a migration is better for everyone.

you notice how in the past, the fed jealousy guarded against any competing currencies *libert dollar for example)

they did not want any choice or migration

[MikeWB]

your stolen CC analogy is pretty good, but lets follow it out a step or 3

in the analogy you just say "F em all, we are not responsible"

now how that translates in the real world is every foreigner holding dollars is "getting F ed"

to add to this, is the fact that the U.S. has no industry left, and imports everything (and they are destroying our remaining agricultural base)

they of course did this by design

if we
 say "f em all", we have nothing here, and all our troops are overseas....

We produce nothing in the U.S. anymore, we are forced to import everything, so if say "F Em" we are cutting our own throats.


a migration is better for everyone.

you notice how in the past, the fed jealousy guarded against any competing currencies *libert dollar for example)

they did not want any choice or migration

Look, each analogy has its limitations.

The way you deal with debtors is through NEGOTIATION. If you initial position is to pay off the debt, where does that leave you?

But if you say: you're getting nothing and all of the debt created by the Fed is illegal! Well.. that is sure to wake them up! Then the real negotiation would start and that's where we could get heavy concessions and cut our debt by over 80% and only to those countries that actually traded with us (and not pay parasites like Israel and other Jewish banks).

Riot's position seems to be: we'll take over the debt and pay it off and manage the money ourselves and do exactly what they've been doing for the past hundred years.

What we need is a clean break from the usury and cumulative interest on this debt!

[Large Sarge]

look we have no industry, and with what they are doing in california w/ water crisis, our agriculture is on its way out.

you are right "we can negotiate", but the original statement was "stolen credit card" & we are not responsible.

All those purchases at wal mart, and such were done voluntarily.

so of course we are responsible to some degree.

He covers how to pay them off, in a fair manner.

but really now they they (foreign creditors) hold most of the cards (they got the foreign reserves, cash flow, factories, etc)

We are a hollowed out nation, with astronomical debt, and an over stretched military

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[Large Sarge]

he quotes 10 years to pay them off, and 2.5% top payment

he offers incentives to "buy american"

I feel like he has put some thought into this,

the rothschilds are famous for playing both sides in any conflict

we see all these congress critters all of the sudden jump on the "lets audit and end the fed" bandwagon

Why?

they are not worried about tea parties

with electronic voting, most of them are not worried about getting re-elected...

of course you can negotiate the debt down, I am unsure what the foreign creditors would accept,

but you need to have something in place before you goto the table, and they say  "we will think on it" and shut down the factories, the food shipments, etc

until you come begging back

[MikeWB]

Large Sarge, do you understand how debt works? What the heck does Wal Mart have to do with the Fed's debt structure? It's the cumulative interest that's the problem. It grows exponentially and we'll never pay off the principal at any rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest

We need to get rid of the whole debt-based structure to be free from them.

[Large Sarge]

Large Sarge, do you understand how debt works? What the heck does Wal Mart have to do with the Fed's debt structure? It's the cumulative interest that's the problem. It grows exponentially and we'll never pay off the principal at any rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest

We need to get rid of the whole debt-based structure to be free from them.

I understand it

They have bought bonds or t-bills, that are redeemeable (upon maturity) into FIAT

in the past they have always graciously "rolled this over" for us, never asking for payment.

no more, the chinese and many others are moving their long term debts into short term (2 year, 5 year etc)

the long term auctions look like ghost towns anymore, and the fed just "monetizes" all of that.

Bonds are currency at maturity.

The treasury must pay that.

You can redesign the monetary system later, goto a "social credit" as some advocate, or interest free hard money.

but for now we are stuck with what we have.

all $2 trillion dollars of chinese owned U.S. debt is in fact currency (at maturity)


and as stated, they keep taking a shorter and shorter position on that...