Sibel edmonds controlled opposition?

[§N9sh2bj]

Christ.

I wrote this, but not wanting to embarrass anyone, nor engage in the discussion publicly, sent a private message.
 :lol:

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

EXTREMISM OF ANY KIND IS THE CANCER OF THE WORLD! And it certainly won't be tolerated here. If I were an anti-Zionist Jew, I'd have hard time participating in this forum or even just reading because of hate-fileld posts.

It's kind of extreme to call him a neo-nazi, I don't see him posting nazi insignia's everywhere and praising hitler. He calls Jews "idiots".... lol this is not "extremism". Wouldn't an anti-Zionist Jew have a hard time participating here if he/she saw your rants about Alex Jones' wife being "Jewish" as if this makes him the devil because of this. I don't like double standards. Let's be fair.

I'm disappointed that you, MSMD, are taking CSR's stand... but I've duly noted your position.

I agreed with CSR that this site is going downhill if we have people telling us to all be the same or get out. I'm not taking anyone's "side" per se, I'm agreeing with that assertion of his. CSR isn't asking anyone to conform to his beliefs or force them to use his lingo, you are. That's what I disagree with you on.

[sullivan]

So leave the extremism and hate off this site. If you cannot make a post without name calling and attacking people purely based on their ethnicity, don't click Submit. It's as simple as that.

Mike,
I agree that we don't want to become a hate site. However, that is difficult when certain religious beliefs (Judaism being one) are so revolting in nature that they rightly evoke hatred. Jewishness is not an ethnicity, it is a religious belief system and one that is pernicious.  I feel as strongly about another racist, exploitationist and usurious religion - Hinduism. We have to understand that the power these religions have over those who are born into them is immense, and many blindly and unquestioningly believe the bullshit they are fed from the time they were infants. I agree that we can't write off people and we have to leave open the door for those who throw off any ties they have to these obnoxious and anti-social belief systems.

[MikeWB]

Sullie, why preface everything that you write with "Idiot Jew"? What does that accomplish?

[MikeWB]

I'm disappointed that you, MSMD, are taking CSR's stand... but I've duly noted your position.

I agreed with CSR that this site is going downhill if we have people telling us to all be the same or get out. I'm not taking anyone's "side" per se, I'm agreeing with that assertion of his. CSR isn't asking anyone to conform to his beliefs or force them to use his lingo, you are. That's what I disagree with you on.

 Site's never taken off and we've never had hundreds of people here. The reason for that is that we're good at complaining but not good at attracting people here. If we allow nonsense posts by CSR who's prefacing everything with "Idiot Jew", who exactly are we going to attract to this site? Nazi types, that's who! And with those racist idiots comes cointelpro and other forms of hate. What normal person who we'd like to wake up to what's happening would read a site from the "Jew haters" point of view? People already coil up after you mention the word Jew on its own and when you start hating on them, you've already lost them. The way you influence people is not through hate but through the exposition of facts and by being a reasonable and a rational human being. Hate filled idiots are neither of those... they only see it as black or white.

Seriously, what the heck do we get from even more CSR threads that start with "Idiot Jew"?

 WE ALREADY KNOW THAT ZIONIST JEWS ARE BEHIND IT ALL! Cursing at them and "hatin' on the Jew" does NOTHING! Now is to time to convert those who are in the conspiracy/truth movement and still believe in nonsense that AJ and other people are filling them up with. We need to get those people on our side and get the momentum going! Posting more "Idiot Jew" hating bullcrap does nothing to get us there and it actually takes away credibility away from us! Expose them by telling people what they did and don't just engage in retarded adhominem attacks which do the opposite.

MSMD, you're complaining about the site and yet in other threads you're claiming that it's all futile and how we should give up. So what's it to you?

You've already given up and what are you doing now... throwing shit at me and trying to create another drama here? Blaming me for trying to be rational and stop all the bullshit posts about "Idiot Jew"? Don't like that some of us don't want to give up and don't want to give in to negativity and hate? Just erase this site from your bookmarks. Go on Stormfront or whatever and post there about "kikes" and how it's all futile. Don't spread this hate cancer here.

"Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)

"You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? (Matthew 5:43-47 )

I find it sad that I, as an atheist, come closer to Christ's ideals than those who read the Bible and believe in him and yet still preach hate.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

You've already given up MSMD and what are you doing now? Throwing shit at me and trying to create another drama here? Don't like that some of us don't want to give up and don't want to give in to hate?

Calm down there Mike the only one creating "drama" is you. I disagree with your insistence that everyone must conform to your current beliefs or get out that's all. I'm not the one threatening people that if they do not think or talk like me then they should get out. Nobody here is posting nazi insignia's, nobody here is praising hitler, nobody here is shouting "every single Jew is bad and must go"... you're a little too gung-ho in accusing people of being extreme. It seems your main concern is to fight people who say it's all Jews instead of those who say it's no Jews. You need to get your priorities in order, you're wasting your time with this crusade against the "extremists". You could just ignore them instead of wasting your breath.  :| The result wouldn't be much different.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

All I can say Mike is that most Atheists don't like to be called an "Idiot" as well as most "Jews".   In a "Godless" world (of Jews and Atheists) Intelligence rules supreme.  
If you want to be like Jesus, then call them out and throw them out of the temple... but I doubt you would ever call them "evil".  I'd prefer to call them "idiots", since they obviously continue to believe in a Babylonian Pagan religion founded on a elitist priestly class, than to call  them "evil".  

But I know in this world they don't work for good.  The fruits of their labor is "death" and "destruction" and Chaos.  I guess you want to attract others...to TIU. Okay.  But remember, if I or many others never ever showed up here at TIU... I bet you would still have a small core on this forum like when I came here a few months ago.  This is not a vehicle to "wake up" the masses, this  an "officers" school to prepare the leaders, IMHO.  In fact, MSMD's posts and mine so far have the highest hits for the entire forum after they got linked to Rense.com. We got those hits since we both did core research mostly on our own and had a place to share our findings here at TIU. But we face a forum admin that is a little too worried about upsetting people.  In 2 seconds most Jews have already trashed this place.   I can understand trying to attract with honey rather than vinegar here at TIU...  but if you are building a "Case" against the criminals you go with evidence.  At TIU, I think most people will judge posts according to the evidence presented.   Remember, the WNs and the Anti-Zionists have different approaches but the same goal.  I've lived under the yoke of Jew Idiocy and I'm frankly sick of it.  It amazes me that when you unpeel the layers you find numerous Jew lies, scams and ripoffs. It's endless.  So, I don't care really -- I'll drop  "insults" on them all day long until they stop being Jewish.

Since you got your panties in a Wank,  I'll drop out of TIU and come back in a few months. If this place has gained a larger audience then great -- I'll drop all insults against the Jews... but if it hasn't, then it will only be a full-bore straight up, straight-on, take no prisoners approach here... I bet your Jewish Freethinkers will continue to ignore TIU... because they are massively brainwashed and think they are largely smarter than all of the ranting Goyim posting here.  Look at Large Sarge's original questions...

Besides, learn how to run a SQL update statement. It's a hell of a lot easier than "renaming" my posts. Run a Chron job if necessary to sleep well at night knowing no Jews have been insulted or that TIU appears "Pure Play".  With the Jews, there is no Pureplay.  They will only destroy and ruin.  First hand experience has validated these beliefs as has the economic crashes they've largely been responsible for.  You remind me of a Goy Russian Menshevik -- trust them at your peril.  

Just my 2 cents...

The CSR

[Wimpy]

CSR, please don't leave brother.  Screw making a point, which I think you'll win, but in the interim there will be a void.  Reminds me of a story I read in the National Jewographic from a reporter in the Congo living with the pygmies.  A particularly rare deer was spotted while tromping through the jungle and the reporter asked the guide if they would kill and eat it.  The pygmy replied that this deer belongs to the forest and without it there would be a hole.  Kind of mystical, yes, but in an abstract way somehow pertinent to your place here.

[satya]

what do all the smart folks at TIU think?

I confess I do not know her whole story, but the geist is that she points at turkey for 9/11, and blames the bush/bin laden connection


she is getting tons of free press, and of course no mention of Israel....

From what I understand, Sibel Edmonds implicates Israel as being behind the Turkish spies, their connection to 9/11, and the compromising of American representatives.  It does not make too much sense that she is controlled opposition if that is the case, unless she is trying to soften the blow on Israel.  Read this article in entirety before replying: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

[Wimpy]

From the link Satya posted above.

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

SIBEL
"Grossman became a person of interest early on in the investigative file while he was the U.S. ambassador to Turkey [1994-97], when he became personally involved with operatives both from the Turkish government and from suspected criminal groups. He also had suspicious contact with a number of official and non-official Israelis. Grossman was removed from Turkey short of tour during a scandal referred to as "Susurluk" by the media. It involved a number of high-level criminals as well as senior army and intelligence officers with whom he had been in contact.

Another individual who was working for Grossman, Air Force Major Douglas Dickerson, was also removed from Turkey and sent to Germany. After he and his Turkish wife Can returned to the U.S., he went to work for Douglas Feith and she was hired as an FBI Turkish translator. My complaints about her connection to Turkish lobbying groups led to my eventual firing.

Grossman and Dickerson had to leave the country because a big investigation had started in Turkey. Special prosecutors were appointed, and the case was headlined in England, Germany, Italy, and in some of the Balkan countries because the criminal groups were found to be active in all those places. A leading figure in the scandal, Mehmet Eymür, led a major paramilitary group for the Turkish intelligence service. To keep him from testifying, Eymür was sent by the Turkish government to the United States, where he worked for eight months as head of intelligence at the Turkish Embassy in Washington. He later became a U.S. citizen and now lives in McLean, Virginia. The central figure in this scandal was Abdullah Catli. In 1989, while "most wanted" by Interpol, he came to the U.S., was granted residency, and settled in Chicago, where he continued to conduct his operations until 1996."



So it seems good ole Douglas Feith, super Zionist, is the person to be protected.  No surprise here.  I'm amazed Sibel is still breathing.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Well Satya,

That's why I'm not a big fan of Sibel Edmonds. She comes across muddled. Who did 9/11?  -- The Bush Gang, the Israelis with AIPAC, the Arab Al-Queda?  Like I said before, just let it all hang out and damn all -- do it like Sylvia Stolz -- accuse them straight up... but she's coy... unless she's with an ex-CIA spook then she speaks freely (). She has important input on AIPAC-Gossman-9/11-Israelis but where is it going? Reminds me of Ruppert, the Turks, the Bushes, and Armitage in Central America along with the Narcs? Was anything stopped? Did Israel-NeoCons pull of 9/11? Yes they did.  If she doesn't know who did 9/11 then why in the hell throw up "State Secrets" and present a muddled -- it's Al-Queda, no it's the Bushes, no it's AIPAC, no it's the Turks.  Name all names in a list. She's got to Nail the real deal to the wall for all to read.  No more "to and fro".

From what I understand, Sibel Edmonds implicates Israel as being behind the Turkish spies, their connection to 9/11, and the compromising of American representatives. It does not make too much sense that she is controlled opposition if that is the case, unless she is trying to soften the blow on Israel. Read this article in entirety before replying: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

They are making a big "side show" out of this "States Secrets" thing paticularly with her Israeli-American Jew Lawyer...Why? Just Nail'em if you have them in your sights.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

WImpy, I'm going to go over back to Iraq-war.ru. The Russians really don't care at all as long as you have some facts or something of actual interest.  You might see me over there more often these days.

Cheers,

The CSR

[MikeWB]

CSR, I told you numerous times through PMs to drop "Idiot Jew" nonsense. Almost every one of your posts is riddled with that term. You take some story off the web and add your own "Idiot Jew" terms to the title thereby tainting it with blatant hate. If you cannot discuss something without name calling, don't bring it up. This is childish behavior not even fit for the high school. I don't know what the heck is wrong with you  but please keep that language off the forums. If you can't keep it dignified and intellectual, the speech is not welcome here. This is as blunt of a statement as I can make it.

And don't lecture me on Jesus... you clearly don't follow his teachings.

PS: And how prevalent is the problem? We're a number 2 search result on Google for the term "Idiot Jew" - http://www.google.com/search?q=%22idiot%20jew%22 and the term itself appears hundreds of times here... almost all of them attributable to you. We don't rank high for anything important but we do for this. Sad.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

MikeWB,

We obviously see things differently. Particularly in regards to what "Idiot Jew" means. You want to be intellectual. Go ahead. But don't stop others on this forum.

Like I said, it is either "Idiot Jews" or "Evil Jews" -- you are not giving them a chance to learn and change.  I really don't care how YOU perceive it.  They are Idiots until they learn how misguided they are and change. I only say IDIOT JEW because it annoys and they deserve the annoyance.  In the meantime, have fun at TIU MikeWB... it is all your opinion from here on out, if you want a High School forum then keep at it.  

Strangely, I actually want to popularize the term "Idiot Jew". A poster over at Iraq-war.ru used the term frequently and was quite eloquent in describing their scams in detail. I kind of picked it up because it seemed to really PISS OFF IDIOT JEWS on that forum -- and it made me laugh so there you have it.  Dick Fuld --- Idiot Jew or Visionary?  I think he's an Idiot Jew.  Shalom Bernanke? Idiot Jew or Clever Saviour of the System?  Decide for yourself... Later.

[§N9sh2bj]

Good. Let's try for number one. No sense in being second-best.

We're a number 2 search result on Google for the term "Idiot Jew"

[LordLindsey]

What in the Hell is wrong with people here?  Can't you see that extremism is going to do NOTHING but turn-off anyone who is either new or relatively new to this information?  Jesus CHRIST, I just don't understand why people can't see this.  I understand how you all feel, but using terms like "Idiot Jews" and "Stupid Jews" is OUT OF THE ADL-ZIONIST PLAY-BOOK.  

Mike, I dis-agree with many things that you say, but you are absolutely right about this.  I have been in this fight for too long to lie to myself about the level of ignorance that "the people" have regarding the truths as we have found them out to be, and this kind of language is nothing but counter-productive to our efforts.  It breaks my heart to see people not realize that we are supposed to be REACHING-OUT to those who know very little about these truths and doing it in such a way as to not make them run-away from us in fear or disgust because of their Talmudic-inspired mental-conditioning.

LINDSEY

NB:  I have said here that it was confirmed by Sibel HERSELF that she was a Jewish Turk, and even though I can't find the absolute documentation, I STAND-BY WHAT I HAVE SAID.  I am NOT against using the terms Jew or Jewish, but I am completely against using the term exclusively when attempting to bring "the people" to our level of understanding from a starting-point.

[Free Truth]

Calling so-called jews idiots? Could be worse...
They are indeed idiots...  

I do agree with some of Mike's arguments... But I think for anti-zionists to be liberally throwing around terms like 'Nazi' and 'Neo-Nazi' (especially at other anti-zionists) is inexcusable and could just be an example of something worse. That's a jew tactic and foolish goy's mind lock defense response.
And again, fuss over calling idiot jews 'idiot jews' is maybe just too picky.

As for this Edmonds, whether she is telling the whole truth or not should be all that matters. Trying to uncover whether she's technically a so-called jew (whatever that is) is pointless.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Right on, F.T.  
I mean hey, if a Jew is an idiot and acts that way... I call them an Idiot. It's just that simple.

It's not like I'm asking... "Who was/is the stupidest Jew in your school?"...  I got a right to say "I.J." and it is a free country!!  

I hope "I.J." isn't the new "N" word... ?    :shock:

Mike, I dis-agree with many things that you say, but you are absolutely right about this. I have been in this fight for too long to lie to myself about the level of ignorance that "the people" have regarding the truths as we have found them out to be, and this kind of language is nothing but counter-productive to our efforts. It breaks my heart to see people not realize that we are supposed to be REACHING-OUT to those who know very little about these truths and doing it in such a way as to not make them run-away from us in fear or disgust because of their Talmudic-inspired mental-conditioning.

They aren't running here yet and most of them think like Sarah Silverman. If we do or say something totally outrageous to Jews (especially Orthodox-Chabad), you'll see this site popping up in interesting places.

[maz]

She is a Jew. We've posted it at Prison Planet before, but it's somewhere in the 140 plus pages of "I am not an anti-Semite..." thread. Personally I don't think that it proves anything. Hell I bet she was probably hired becaues they figured as a Jew she would play ball  8-)