What is the ultimate goal?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

I've been curious for quite some time now to find out what exactly is the ultimate goal of people who participate on this forum or forums like this on a daily basis. What are your motivations and what do you hope is the end result of your so called internet activism? Is there really any hope that conversing with like-minded people on the internet is really going to stop Israeli snipers from smoking out little Palestinian children? Does speaking about these subjects on the internet prevent them from actually happening in real life? The answer is no. I guess people are drawn to continue talking and pursuing this stuff (on the internet) or in personal dialogue with friends, acquaintances , etc,  because you enjoy talking about it, not that you expect it to have any kind of effect in real life. I can attest to this because I am absolutely positive the affect of talking shit on the internet or even in person has zero effect on what evil does. Evil does as it wishes and will continue to do so, there is no stopping it simply by chattering about it or professing knowledge about it. It's just fun to talk about it, it's just so fun.  

Any thoughts?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

No response. Let me take the lead then. People are drawn to continue talking, making videos, trying to 'enlighten' others, etc, because it sort of gives them a feeling of "I did my part" type of thing. Deep down they realize that whatever they wish was the outcome of this current situation is not actually going to be the outcome. It's especially annoying to hear morons peddle over-the-top ideas like "America should be given back to the American Indians". This is downright delusional especially just yelling this across the internet. 1) the person saying this knows that 250 million ppl minus the American Indians are not just going to pack up and leave to wherever their ancestors came from just because some clown on the net tells them to, and 2) this would also mean that the person saying this would also have to leave but they have no plans of actually doing so. They are basically talking out of their ass. Another dumb and downright annoying thing I hear is people who are advocating entire new systems of government like National Socialism or whatever floats their boat. Do they really think that 250 million people are going to just wake up one day and demand a national socialist party to take over america? It's downright delusional if people think this is actually going to happen, and deep down they know it's not, they just can't stop talking about it. The 'solutions' people propose are completely unfathomable and unrealistic. No person yelling stuff on the net could actually make something substantial happen in real life. 20, 000 anti-war activists marching on capitol hill doesn't even make a dent in the U.S. governments war plans, but somehow a few people on the internet are going to revamp America to their liking. It's also annoying when people say "this is my country". No it's no more your country then that ant crawling up your shoe. Just because you happened to be born in America doesn't mean you own it.

[Jaro]

You're right - there is no hope, i've tried presenting all these facts to my friends and family and they simply refuse to believe it. If you heard their responses you would be convinced that they work for the ADL by continually saying that Zionist Jews are merely the scapegoats for our worlds problems - they simply ain't gettin' it.

Look, if there was any answer or solution to the jewish question it would have already been revealed. The fact that people continually try to confirm this shit over and over again, in hopes of deepening their understanding via reading more books and participating on forums is a sign there is nothing to understand that will bring an end to our current state of conflict and misery in our society which is a direct result of the Zionist Jews.  Society is run by these forces and we are realizing that the whole thing is a piece of shit. cool. now what? become an extremist or go back to shleep. Alot of us coming into this knowledge are still on the fence and i assume that part of the purpose of this forum and others like it is to somehow help guide people in their decision process. Some are hoping for the police and military to finally come to the aid of the people but i wouldn't count on that happening. This ship is sinking and sadly most of us are still on board including myself.

Honestly, We're fucked - We live in hope and die in hope.

[MikeWB]

Ah guys, don't be so depressed. Things can always turn around! Americans are famous for doing just that. You can fool them for a while but people do wake up!

Just last night I was planning on starting a thread like this since we really do need one to answer this question: what is our mission? We do need one.

The reason why I participate here is to:

1) Learn more about the nature of the enemy
2) Learn more about how the said enemy is manipulating and using us
3) Learn how deep the rabbit hole goes
4) Wake up as many other people as possible to the reality of what's really going on.

The last point is probably the most important one since 1-3 we already know pretty well and learning more details doesn't really change anything. If we learned that Zios control Industry Y, what exactly does that fact change? Absolutely nothing. Banking is the most important industry in the world and we know with 100% certainty that they do control it. I think everyone on this forum will agree who exactly the top of the pyramid is and who controls things but we bicker a lot about details which don't mean anything in the bigger picture.

Reaching out to as many people as possible should be our ultimate goal if we want to make any difference in this fight. Just posting articles and hating on other races won't solve anything and will actually retard our fight. Hate is a disease. It breeds negativity and that doesn't help anyone. If reading TiU raises your blood pressure and makes you angry, that's not good either. AJ does that to his listeners. Thinking about negative aspects traps you in the mindset in which you don't look to find solutions but you actually make the problems seem bigger than they are. Whining, complaining and getting angry doesn't solve anything. It only makes you ill and causes heart attacks.

Just think about it: millions of people are waking up to the reality that AJ and Glenn Beck have painted to them. People know that something ain't right. They know something's wrong. They know that rich are getting richer. They know that their kids are getting dumber. But they can't figure out what's wrong.

We just need to push them from thinking that "illuminati", "globalists", "german death cult" control things to the truth about who's really in charge. That's actually not as hard as you think.

All we need to do is to convert a small percentage of population and the truth will spread! It's like a virus!

What I'm saying is that we need to move away from constantly looking at problems and look towards finding solutions instead. One activist article that gives a step by step process of how to reach out to others and tell them about zionists is worth 1000 "Jew X is behind Y" type of stuff that we see posted here daily.

Our progress should be measured in how many people we wake up and bring in here and not by the number of posts we make. Preaching to the converted doesn't really solve much. Going into ministries does. We should study how propagandists and cults operate and use some of their techniques to wake up others. It's time to use their methods against them.

[Jaro]

We just need to push them from thinking that "illuminati", "globalists", "german death cult" control things to the truth about who's really in charge. That's actually not as hard as you think.

All we need to do is to convert a small percentage of population and the truth will spread! It's like a virus!

How is waking up a small percentage of the population to the Zionist Jews any more productive than waking up a small amount of people to the Illuminati or NWO? The Global Elite have already been exposed at great depth and things have only continued to get worse on the planet. And remember that most of those books on TFC exposing Jews and Zionism are old !

[MikeWB]

How is waking up a small percentage of the population to the Zionist Jews any more productive than waking up a small amount of people to the Illuminati or NWO?

Good question. My only reason for waking them up to Zionists threat is so that zionists won't be able to coopt the movement. People like AJ and others who wake them up to "elites" and "globalists" meme can be easily influenced and if there is a violent revolution, zionists will escape unscathed by shifting the blame on other bullshit groups.

If there's a violent revolution, people better know who the culprits are! If we all end up in a civil war or a police state, it better solve something or we'll have another one in 100 years time.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

We just need to push them from thinking that "illuminati", "globalists", "german death cult" control things to the truth about who's really in charge. That's actually not as hard as you think.

All we need to do is to convert a small percentage of population and the truth will spread! It's like a virus!

How is waking up a small percentage of the population to the Zionist Jews any more productive than waking up a small amount of people to the Illuminati or NWO? The Global Elite have already been exposed at great depth and things have only continued to get worse on the planet. And remember that most of those books on TFC exposing Jews and Zionism are old !

Jaro is right. Let's say you convince 20 'average' people that the Jewish crime network (instead of the 'illuminati') is responsible for everything from JFK assassination to 9/11 to instigating the world wars. What do you expect these 20 average people to do? They might try and convince a few people of this and be unsuccessful. What I'm saying is that convincing regular people of this stuff doesn't do anything. People with no power cannot do anything, and won't even try. People are too comfortable. If they got their talmudvision and a bucket of icecream they are content and just want to be left alone. The reason people continue with this 'truth crusade' or whatever you want to call it is simply because they enjoy talking about it. Most people who are like this do not even have any desired outcome in mind in the midst of their so called activism (including me at the peak of my so called activism). They just do it because they like to and because they like to talk about it because it's interesting and makes their life a little more exciting.

[MikeWB]

Well, if they started calling their congressmen and started asking about Zionists power in congress, it would make a world of difference to the congressmen who are currently scared to talk about it because they'd be labeled as anti-Semites and would be a target of AIPAC which would fund their opponents. It would blunt the "he's an anti-Semite" label. That's one of their biggest weapons right now.

Folks, all reports and forecasts point to a violent revolution in few years time. If there is one, people better have the real target in their sights.

[Shiksa Rage]

Here in the UK there has been a memorial service at St Pauls Cathedral in London for service people killed in the Middle East. Tony Bliar tried to shake the hand of the father of one of the dead servicemen who roared "don't you dare, you have my son's blood on your hands". This shows that there is genuine anger out there. If this gentleman, and others like him, come round to the fact that his son died, not to defend Britain or "Democracy" but in fact to benefit Israel, then it's the end for the Zionist Jews and the craven politicians who work for them.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Just think about this... thousands and thousands of people have petitioned for a new investigation into 9/11 and what did the government say to this request by thousands of people? Nah we don't feel like it. When will people realize that asking criminals to investigate themselves doesn't do anything. People are hopeless and somewhat pathetic in their attempts. It is vain desperation at best. The people who did 9/11 will get away with 9/11 because they control the entire system. You cannot defeat a system that was invented, owned, and operated by the enemy.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Well, if they started calling their congressmen and started asking about Zionists power in congress, it would make a world of difference to the congressmen who are currently scared to talk about it because they'd be labeled as anti-Semites and would be a target of AIPAC which would fund their opponents. It would blunt the "he's an anti-Semite" label. That's one of their biggest weapons right now.

Mike do you really believe that calling and yapping in a congressperson's ear is going to change anything? Of course not. The congress is BOUGHT. They are criminals and are bought. Congresspeople are old people and are happy to keep quiet about corruption as long as the money keeps flowing into their bank accounts. Also because they are involved in corruption themselves. People are too afraid to take a risk and go out on a limb. People are pussies especially old politicians who have no fucking balls.

[Wimpy]

No response. Let me take the lead then. People are drawn to continue talking, making videos, trying to 'enlighten' others, etc, because it sort of gives them a feeling of "I did my part" type of thing. Deep down they realize that whatever they wish was the outcome of this current situation is not actually going to be the outcome. It's especially annoying to hear morons peddle over-the-top ideas like "America should be given back to the American Indians". This is downright delusional especially just yelling this across the internet. 1) the person saying this knows that 250 million ppl minus the American Indians are not just going to pack up and leave to wherever their ancestors came from just because some clown on the net tells them to, and 2) this would also mean that the person saying this would also have to leave but they have no plans of actually doing so. They are basically talking out of their ass. Another dumb and downright annoying thing I hear is people who are advocating entire new systems of government like National Socialism or whatever floats their boat. Do they really think that 250 million people are going to just wake up one day and demand a national socialist party to take over america? It's downright delusional if people think this is actually going to happen, and deep down they know it's not, they just can't stop talking about it. The 'solutions' people propose are completely unfathomable and unrealistic. No person yelling stuff on the net could actually make something substantial happen in real life. 20, 000 anti-war activists marching on capitol hill doesn't even make a dent in the U.S. governments war plans, but somehow a few people on the internet are going to revamp America to their liking. It's also annoying when people say "this is my country". No it's no more your country then that ant crawling up your shoe. Just because you happened to be born in America doesn't mean you own it.

Government By, Of and For "The People" to Pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness (was Property).  We don't own the Country but are theoretically in charge of those that we permit to Govern.  We have done a poor job in keeping with the founding documents and our Bill of Rights.  America, unlike Australia, broke away from the Crown,...sort of.

My self appointed mission is investigating the reasons why our situation, and the World's, has gone so terribly wrong from what was intended.  Maybe this was intended....My discoveries and knowledge I attempt to share with loved ones, friends and even strangers and I have attained varying degrees of reception.  Regardless, I am taking personal responsibility for my own survival and any others I may assist as the political and economic conditions worsen.

There may be reason to believe in the 3% theory and I do see hope if we keep our whits about us and our powder dry.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Here in the UK there has been a memorial service at St Pauls Cathedral in London for service people killed in the Middle East. Tony Bliar tried to shake the hand of the father of one of the dead servicemen who roared "don't you dare, you have my son's blood on your hands". This shows that there is genuine anger out there. If this gentleman, and others like him, come round to the fact that his son died, not to defend Britain or "Democracy" but in fact to benefit Israel, then it's the end for the Zionist Jews and the craven politicians who work for them.

Shiksa, all that old man can do is get angry. That's it, he can't do any more than that. And what does getting angry do to the criminals? Nada, they laugh and scoff at pathetic serfs who were duped into serving in the military because of some petty promise of compensation or 'education'. They have been duped into fighting wars under the auspices of Israeli and American imperialism. Dumb cattle, zombies, dupes, robots who are so easily manipulated and controlled. Fighting and dying for war profiteers. It's almost funny to me how dumb people are, I don't feel sorry for them, not in the least. You can make your own decisions it's your fault if you fight and die for war profiteers, totally your own fault.

Stuppering cattle after 9/11 "kill the arabs", "kill the arabs", while rat-faced beasts are riddling with contemptible laughter and lining their pockets with money. "This is too easy" they say. Too fucking easy. And people make it easy for them.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Well, I come to this forum to learn.

Also to help create a record of "account" for the Idiot Jews and their Idiot Crimes.

I can't say I expect anyone to see the light. But I do know that TIU is popping up more and more in Google Searches about "Jews".  A thread might help pull in others to the side of anti-Zealotry and anti-Stupidity and against the Zionist goals. I hope I've helped that process along. I like to think of TIU at large as sort of a virtual "Court" for the Jews.  They are being "tried" here for their "collective crimes".  The evidence is collected and presented. Few other places on the net, except for Iraq-war.ru, WUFYS, Atheo's Blog, TFC, and a few others do this with precision. I railed from 2004-2008 on Iraq-war.ru against the Jewish corruption -- they are all snipers on the Scammers over there now after long periods of indecision and uncertainty about "who" is responsible. Europeans across the board have put the Jew Scams in their scopes. I believe TIU is a good scope to hunt with because it is accurate.


MSM, Jaro and others,,, Indict the Jewish Religion and not so much their crimes (9/11, Iraq, Iran, WWI,WWII) in conversations and you will get their attention.  Do it the way the Jews do... like...ask, "What do you think is wrong about Judaism in the world today? Why is it so violent? Do you really think God is behind them?".  You won't make too many new drinking buddies but you will get the focus...

[MikeWB]

Well, if they started calling their congressmen and started asking about Zionists power in congress, it would make a world of difference to the congressmen who are currently scared to talk about it because they'd be labeled as anti-Semites and would be a target of AIPAC which would fund their opponents. It would blunt the "he's an anti-Semite" label. That's one of their biggest weapons right now.

Mike do you really believe that calling and yapping in a congressperson's ear is going to change anything? Of course not. The congress is BOUGHT. They are criminals and are bought. Congresspeople are old people and are happy to keep quiet about corruption as long as the money keeps flowing into their bank accounts. Also because they are involved in corruption themselves. People are too afraid to take a risk and go out on a limb. People are pussies especially old politicians who have no fucking balls.

They answer to people. Period. How do you then explain Traficant or McKinney? Go ahead, try to disprove the fact that good men and women do exist in Congress and some are terrified of opposing AIPAC. If there's an alternative, they wouldn't be.  This is the same bullshit theme that AJ is pushing on his shows: despair. AJ and Bermas blame everything on US government, gov workers and police so that you are isolated and fear them. That's bullshit! Gov is full of people who know what's going on but are afraid to speak out because zionists control the top.

People like Ray McGovern have said hundreds of times that CIA/NSA is full of people who know what's going on but can't do anything because zionists control most of the position in the White House and Congress. Hell, CIA is still opposing neocons and zionists about the Iran. So don't give me this bullshit about how there's no hope! There is hope but people need to have faith and they have to stand up and fight.

I really don't get your game here MonkeySeeMonkeyDo. You're making all the anti-Zio videos and web pages and now you're spreading fear, uncertainty and depression around here. So if you don't think anything can be changed, why are you here?

Fuck all this defeatism! If you think there's no hope, quit posting here and quit spreading despair! Seriously, folks, if you think there's no hope, either quit posting or just shut up and keep the bottled up negativity to yourself. Let the rest of us fight. We don't need you tripping us up and screwing our morale! ADL, Mossad and AIPAC will do that without your help.

PS: This thread will now move to proper subforum.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

How do you then explain Traficant or McKinney?

It's quite simple really. Traficant is a guy with nothing to lose. Like he says "I'm happy to be anywhere". He has a grudge and he wants to go after the people who took away 7 years of his life. "Those people" was the Jewish crime network. There aren't many James Traficant who have "nothing to lose" who are willing to go out on a limb. JFK tried, he failed. Nobody has tried since. If they feel the need they will get rid of Traficant like they do with everyone else.

Simply professing knowledge about these subjects is not good enough. Yelling "AIPAC is bad" won't do anything. The solution is simple. Total and utter non-compliance of military personnel. Every military person should abandon their post and forcefully cease these Israeli engineered wars. Of course this will never happen, it's almost impossible. Military people are like robots they do what they are told and don't ask questions. Am I a pessimist? indeed I am. But that also means I'm a realist. I'm always brutally honest, I don't like candy-coated illusions or mirages. There is very little hope in defeating the JCN. The only hope is that they get so out of control that they end up destroying themselves. Hopefully.

I really don't get your game here MonkeySeeMonkeyDo. You're making all the anti-Zio videos and web pages and now you're spreading fear, uncertainty and depression around here. So if you don't think anything can be changed, why are you here?

No game just being real. I didn't really have a plan or desired outcome from my so called activism, I just had an urge to do it. I'm thinking outcomes now, and don't see any good ones at the moment. Mind you I might wake up tomorrow and have a totally different point of view. Depending which side of the bed I wake up on maybe  :mrgreen: .

[jai_mann]

How do you then explain Traficant or McKinney?

It's quite simple really. Traficant is a guy with nothing to lose. Like he says "I'm happy to be anywhere". He has a grudge and he wants to go after the people who took away 7 years of his life. "Those people" was the Jewish crime network. There aren't many James Traficant who have "nothing to lose" who are willing to go out on a limb. JFK tried, he failed. Nobody has tried since. If they feel the need they will get rid of Traficant like they do with everyone else.

Simply professing knowledge about these subjects is not good enough. Yelling "AIPAC is bad" won't do anything. The solution is simple. Total and utter non-compliance of military personnel. Every military person should abandon their post and forcefully cease these Israeli engineered wars. Of course this will never happen, it's almost impossible. Military people are like robots they do what they are told and don't ask questions. Am I a pessimist? indeed I am. But that also means I'm a realist. I'm always brutally honest, I don't like candy-coated illusions or mirages. There is very little hope in defeating the JCN. The only hope is that they get so out of control that they end up destroying themselves. Hopefully.

I really don't get your game here MonkeySeeMonkeyDo. You're making all the anti-Zio videos and web pages and now you're spreading fear, uncertainty and depression around here. So if you don't think anything can be changed, why are you here?

No game just being real. I didn't really have a plan or desired outcome from my so called activism, I just had an urge to do it. I'm thinking outcomes now, and don't see any good ones at the moment. Mind you I might wake up tomorrow and have a totally different point of view. Depending which side of the bed I wake up on maybe  :mrgreen: .

I think I landed here due to WUFYS and I can't even recall how I stumbled onto it but it likely had to do with research on Jews and the Talmud.

MSM I consider myself an optimistic realist. I realized during heavy depression in 10th grade, surrounded by immature children, that I could either continue to be pessimistic regarding my perceptions, which would lead to further misery (and I may as well just kill myself and end it) _OR_ I could attempt to find positive perceptions while still being realistic. Perceiving reality is one thing, attaching negative or positive emotions is another. Unless one wants to live a miserable life (or end it and not even have a chance to change things or do things that one might desire) then it is simply being productive, rather than non-productive, to determine what positive things can be construed regarding perceived reality.

I come to the site to see what the latest news or commentary is regarding world events and Jewry. I read more than I comment simply because I'm constantly reassessing my perception of reality and/or integrating new facts. I've seen on youtube and on a number of forums people talking about issues such as brainwashing and attitude conditioning and I'd like to think that I've played a strong role in getting the word out regarding these techniques. I can't say that I've seen any one else citing experimental studies on these issues on youtube or many other sites prior to when I made the connections myself and started talking about them (3+ years ago). There definitely have been others such as Brent Jessop who I unfortunately didn't find out about until his site went down. The point is, that for any given issue, with out people repeating truth, the general, lazy ass masses, will never get a chance to come in contact with truth. They're too stupid and lazy and would rather engage in forms of entertainment over learning. So, by getting them to come in contact with truth, lies can be counteracted. Obviously there is a spectrum whereby some people will continue to believe lies. The most important part is when physical action occurs. And it will regardless of who starts it. In all likelihood the ruling powers will kick off another great war and it is at this point that the issue of truth becomes the most important. Look at what has happened in war after war due to the ignorance of those serving in the military. Millions of Don Quixote's have died. If they were more well informed they wouldn't have died for lies. In fact, there might have been mutiny's. In the states here, there were well informed military men that literally took up arms and drove out government officials in Tennessee who were controlling elections (after WWII and before Korea). People don't hear about things like this because it gives strength to the idea that it ISN'T futile to resist.

When you say the only hope is that the JCN get out of control, how do you expect that to happen? We could sit around and hope for a lot of things but that won't make it happen. Keep informing people. Tell people to arm up and get their minds right. Plan long term.

Too many people are focused on the present and not a vision that they can work to achieve. This problem is a long term one and requires that people think in those terms. ie: to avoid contrived food crises plant lots of wild fruit& nut trees. Plant them where others are less likely to find them. This will also drive down the costs of living when they start to produce. Raise a family (this is essential or the fight ends with you) and train your children to understand the problem, but with a positive light because your goal is to effect a societal change.

If you're a realist then you should be able to think about what you can do to improve your future and the future of your community. These long term goals should be broken into smaller goals in order to make tasks more manageable and to receive reinforcement when you accomplish the small tasks along the way to the greater goals.

[MikeWB]

MSMD, you're not familiar with Trafican't work. He's been active long before he had nothing to lose (ie. since he came out of prison). Traficant has been fighting zionists for a very long time.

Never forget this quote:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

[Jaro]

Fuck all this defeatism! If you think there's no hope, quit posting here and quit spreading despair! Seriously, folks, if you think there's no hope, either quit posting or just shut up and keep the bottled up negativity to yourself. Let the rest of us fight. We don't need you tripping us up and screwing our morale! ADL, Mossad and AIPAC will do that without your help.

Hope and Fear are one and the same. The hope that you can change society into something better or different than it already is, is demanding it to be something its not. You have this idea that society started as something harmonious and turned into a rotten egg but get this straight.. society is and was always based on the foundation of conflict. If you stop adding momentum to all the movements of liberation and freedom (ie: isms that make up society), you haven't become a defeatist, you just aren't conning yourself any longer by believing in a system. Basically all systems are the same and if you've tried one you've tried them all.

I've said it before in another post how most people talk about wanting freedom but are only interested in maintaining their relationship with the idea of becoming free. Any real action is immediate. Any action which  includes the words "hope", "becoming" and "tommorow" (dependant on time) aren't interested in harmony and are only interested in maintaining
the goal of freedom and liberation ie: the system, which is maintaining the misery and status quo of society. We are programmed and conditioned to the core ! How is pointing this notion out fearful and defeatist?

Make no mistake about it - Hope truly is part of the program.

[gurdgieff]

Its all just a conspiracy theory.
911 is 10 years old they still think it was the muslims.
king amadinijihad of iran is gonna blow up the world with the nuke we better nuke him first.wow
its nearly 10 years and they still belive this crap.why cant they see it.
will I end up sitting in a gulag saying see i told you so I warnd you and then  them saying duh uh  wa innit.
We knew 911 was shit since it happened but they still think it was muslims.why are they so naive thick.

[kolnidre]

If you stop adding momentum to all the movements of liberation and freedom (ie: isms that make up society), you haven't become a defeatist, you just aren't conning yourself any longer by believing in a system. Basically all systems are the same and if you've tried one you've tried them all.

I've said it before in another post how most people talk about wanting freedom but are only interested in maintaining their relationship with the idea of becoming free. Any real action is immediate. Any action which  includes the words "hope", "becoming" and "tommorow" (dependant on time) aren't interested in harmony and are only interested in maintaining
the goal of freedom and liberation ie: the system, which is maintaining the misery and status quo of society. We are programmed and conditioned to the core ! How is pointing this notion out fearful and defeatist?

Make no mistake about it - Hope truly is part of the program.

I think I have a new crush. Jaro, that was brilliant! Thank you.

[sirbadman]

I'm here to learn more and get the different perspectives. I would like to be more active in my opposition though. I also like most of Oggy's podcasts. Would be nice if we could organise more action to get more people to this site. Contains a lot of good info.

[abduLMaria]

I've been curious for quite some time now to find out what exactly is the ultimate goal of people who participate on this forum or forums like this on a daily basis.

What are your motivations and what do you hope is the end result of your so called internet activism? Is there really any hope that conversing with like-minded people on the internet is really going to stop Israeli snipers from smoking out little Palestinian children? Does speaking about these subjects on the internet prevent them from actually happening in real life? The answer is no.

Any thoughts?

on any given day, why do people read the news ?  to understand what is going on in the world.  which i think is what draws people to websites like TIU.

of course, once you understand the "what" (the state of affairs, including for the Palestinians, Iraqi refugees in Jordan, etc.), then you think, "how do i stop this - what is a realistic way to stop it ?"

i think for a lot of us, one of the most realistic contributions we can make is to do what we can to move the Palestinians out of harm's way.  we can debate all we want about Israel, and it's obvious nothing about the situation is FAIR to the Palestinians.

to move the Palestinians out of harm's way -
*  adopt a child
*  sponsor a family - find someone with a big piece of land that will allow a Palestinian family to live there.
*  sponsor a village - find someone with a big piece of land that will allow a Palestinian village to live there.

easier said than done - but not impossible.

obviously, some people think the best reaction to the situation is to try to inform others about it.  i'm very glad that Ognir & DBS made that choice.

[Free Truth]

i think for a lot of us, one of the most realistic contributions we can make is to do what we can to move the Palestinians out of harm's way. we can debate all we want about Israel, and it's obvious nothing about the situation is FAIR to the Palestinians.

to move the Palestinians out of harm's way -
* adopt a child
* sponsor a family - find someone with a big piece of land that will allow a Palestinian family to live there.

I think this is a good idea, but how possible it is is a question.
If you can't help financially though, at least be persistent about making the people in your life well aware of their plight.

[Free Truth]

The ultimate goal is to restore self government and take war to the rich and their representatives.
And our army numbers in the billions...

Unfortunately, I have to agree with MSMD and others on their pessimistic (realistic) view on the chances of wide success.

Look no further than the last couple of days of activity here at TIU. Here we have some of the best anti-zios and truth tellers out there and we can't organize a quality action plan or even a conversation...
It was actually a pretty pathetic display IMHO!

We need to take it upon ourselves to create the change we want.

But a wise relative of mine always tells me, "hey, don't fight them, go fishing."

I am being swayed to that outlook, but I will never stop doing my part to affect the change I want in my country. Good luck to all of you with yours.

[Jenny Lake]

i think for a lot of us, one of the most realistic contributions we can make is to do what we can to move the Palestinians out of harm's way. we can debate all we want about Israel, and it's obvious nothing about the situation is FAIR to the Palestinians.

Ashkenazi Jews have zero entitlement to Palestine. Until they are the ones removed from Palestine, this will never stop. Dissolve the criminal state of Israel once and for all.
...and if there's any point to having a forum, it's for the building of concensus --that's what your 'enemies' are doing-- otherwise it's just a scrapbook.