TiU Radio upcoming guest Norman Finklestein

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Ognir

QuoteDear Mr. Finklestein,

Would you like to come on TiU Radio  .............................

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Okay.

Prepare your questions  :D
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mgt23

result.

1)was the holocaust a jewish holocaust? ordered by mi6 zionists/jews for moving jews to palestine under frank foley??

2)what in his opinion is the final jew bodycount in the holocaust?

3)was hitler the grandson of jews? did he pretend to be catholic?

4}do you agree that israel did 911, if so what do you question as fact then?

pm me answers if on legal iffy ground on holocaust.......

GordZilla

Here's my predictions on Norman's answers to your questions Mgt;

1)was the holocaust a jewish holocaust? ordered by mi6 zionists/jews for moving jews to palestine under frank foley??  -Norman will say "No, Hitler was the mad man responsible for the holocaust"

2)what in his opinion is the final jew bodycount in the holocaust?  -Norman will answer "Around 6 million"

3)was hitler the grandson of jews? did he pretend to be catholic?  - Norman will answer "No he was not Jewish, and I don't think he was Catholic either"

4}do you agree that israel did 911, if so what do you question as fact then? - Norman will answer "No Israel did not do 9/11"

Wimpy

From the videos I've seen of Norman, he appears to have a very focused mission to expose the hypocrisy of the holocaust sledgehammer, particularly as it is used to justify Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.  I believe that Norman is a Jew similar to Gilad Atzmon in that he is outraged towards members of his own tribe whom are endangering the survival of the lesser psychotic.  I wouldn't necessarily assume that Norman would abandon his heritage completely and agree with most people on TIU.  That said, I would like to know how Norman views the Rothschilds and if their titular position within the Jewish community is what 'really' needs to be addressed as the source of most problems or is it entirely a tribal thing.
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamburger today.

Ahmed

1) What do you make of the Kaabalist-Rothschild-Illuminati connection (i.e. plans detailed in Albert Pike's letter to Guissepe Mazzini, August 15th 1871) and can there ever be lasting change as long as the Rothschild's or their familiars control the Federal Reserve / other economies?

2) Once Israel suffers a defeat comparable to that of the Nazis in WW2, would it prompt emigration to Birobidzhan. Or see a return to Bernard Lazare-esque sensibilities amongst non-practising Jews and an old Yishuv with Dr Dehan-esque sensibilities amongst religious ones?

"If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been hated by all peoples among whom it has established itself. It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, lived in countries very distant from each other that the general cause of anti-Semitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel."

Bernard Lazare, \'L'antisémitisme son histoire et ses causes\'.

scorpio

I have read Finklestein's book The Holocaust Industry
He puts the body count much lower than the 6 million. (less than a million)
He also points out that at least 1/2 of the victims were not jewish.
He is a very brave man and has paid the price for exposing jewish lies.
He lost his job as a professor thanks to Abe Foxman and the ADL.
The whole point of his book is that the holocau$t was greatly exaggerated
for the express purpose of grabbing power and sympathy.

Those of you that have seen 'Defamation' already know that he is hardly a fan of Israel.

I highly recommend his book and it is a must have for any antizio library.  :geek:

I look forward to hearing this interview. Nice work, Og  :up:

sue

" It is a  fashionable business these days of separating between "good" Jews (leftists who sort-of/kind-of dare to consider Palestinians as human beings) and "bad" Jews (rightists who take literally all that stuff in the Old Testament about the Arabs being "Amalek" whose eternal destruction is commanded by God) the fact is that they are 2 wings on the same bird. When comparing the two, they differ from each other as much as the Corleones did from the Tattaglias in The Godfather–two crime families engaged in similar "business" but with different names."

I found this quote on mark Glenn's website "The Ugly Truth".I as a person of palestinian descent agree with him.I have met all types of Jews/Israeli's.I must admit that they ALL without exception walk around with an aura of "chosen-ness" about them.They all profit,benefit and just by being jewish are in a small way responsible.When push comes to shove."Birds of a feather  flock together".I may be biased in my opinion,but who can blame me.

GordZilla

Quote from: "sue"" It is a  fashionable business these days of separating between "good" Jews (leftists who sort-of/kind-of dare to consider Palestinians as human beings) and "bad" Jews (rightists who take literally all that stuff in the Old Testament about the Arabs being "Amalek" whose eternal destruction is commanded by God) the fact is that they are 2 wings on the same bird. When comparing the two, they differ from each other as much as the Corleones did from the Tattaglias in The Godfather–two crime families engaged in similar "business" but with different names."

I found this quote on mark Glenn's website "The Ugly Truth".I as a person of palestinian descent agree with him.I have met all types of Jews/Israeli's.I must admit that they ALL without exception walk around with an aura of "chosen-ness" about them.They all profit,benefit and just by being jewish are in a small way responsible.When push comes to shove."Birds of a feather  flock together".I may be biased in my opinion,but who can blame me.

I, for one, can't.

I'm of the same mind. To me,  however, the selling point is how vocal a group they are in every other movement on earth BUT the ones that really matter. It's the worst war crime on earth (Israel's domination of Palestine) and we have but a mere handful of Jewish folk that actually speak up against it. With that said look at some generally accepted  'stories' of present day and history. Whenever those stories shine a bad light on the Jewish folk, the numbers in protest are always UNUSUALLY small. 'Unusually' as, again, when another movement springs up, anywhere in history, they are all over it like flies on Sh%@.  (9/11 Truth movements, Feminist movements, Anti-hate movements, Gay and Lesbian movements,  ... etc... but 'truth about Palestine' movements? Holocaust revision movements ? (or almost any historical revisionist movement) Nothing but a hand full speak up, and only one I can think of when it comes to the Holocaust. Perhaps Norman too but although he may down play the numbers, the fictional aspect of the whole thing is unlikely to appear in his mind or come out his mouth. ( So David Cole stands alone here, at least for me).

 To me it's clear; for all intensive purposes, a person of Jewish faith or race should have the onus of proof of innocence placed on them,  in this case; 'guilty until proven innocent'.  Too harsh? Maybe.    Necessary? If we plan to win this fight then absolutely necessary. I mean we know they will hide their identities; Mureno(sp?) Jews, name changes, facial changes etc. If we are really serious about defeating this creature, then what other approach can we take but to presume guilt until proven innocence? Also this approach would have to be extremely thorough in its findings, or rest assured 100 years from the day of our final victory we'll be right back here again.

That's the way I see it. There's no half way in this fight, not this time. If we fail, even in the slightest degree, it's over. Totally over.

CrackSmokeRepublican

What will the "Jewish Religion" look like 100 years from now?
What will the Jewish people be like at that time?

What does Israel's current leadership think Israel will look like in 10,25,50 or 100 years? (Or something about Jews "far off in the distant future"...)
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Christopher Marlowe

Anything about the holohoax is out: If they discuss that for real, Darryl will go to jail.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteIn France, the Gayssot Act, [pronounced: gā 'as] voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.

    LAW No 90-615 to repress acts of racism, anti-semitism and xenophobia (1990)

    MODIFICATIONS OF THE LAW OF JULY 29, 1881 ON THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS Art 8. - Article 24 of the Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 is supplemented by the following provisions: In the event of judgment for one of the facts envisaged by the preceding subparagraph, the court will be able moreover to order: Except when the responsibility for the author of the infringement is retained on the base for article 42 and the first subparagraph for article 43 for this law or the first three subparagraphs for article 93-3 for the law No 82-652 for July 29, 1982 on the audio-visual communication, the deprivation of the rights enumerated to the 2o and 3o of article 42 of the penal code for imprisonment of five years maximum;

    Art 9. – As an amendment to Article 24 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 24 (a) is as follows written: <<Art. 24 (a). - those who have disputed the existence of one or more crimes against humanity such as they are defined by Article 6 of the statute of the international tribunal military annexed in the agreement of London of August 8, 1945 and which were a carried out either by the members of an organization declared criminal pursuant to Article 9 of the aforementioned statute, or by a person found guilty such crimes by a French or international jurisdiction shall be punished by one month to one years imprisonment or a fine.

    Art 13. - It is inserted, after article 48-1 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 48-2 thus written: <<Art. 48-2. - publication or publicly expressed opinion encouraging those to whom it is addressed to pass a favourable moral judgment on one or more crimes against humanity and tending to justify these crimes (including collaboration) or vindicate their perpetrators shall be punished by one to five years imprisonment or a fine.
Ognir has a little more breathing room.
QuoteSwitzerland
Ognir might also have to watch his step:
Holocaust denial is not expressly illegal in Switzerland, but the denial of genocide and other crimes against humanity is an imprisonable offence.

    Art. 261bis 1

    Racial discrimination

    Whoever publicly, by word, writing, image, gesture, acts of violence or any other manner, demeans or discriminates against an individual or a group of individuals because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion in a way which undermines human dignity, or on those bases, denies, coarsely minimizes or seeks to justify a genocide or other crimes against humanity [...] shall be punished with up to three years imprisonment or a fine.
Quotehttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p11_exile.html
Swiss Revisionist Forced Into Exile for Thought Crime

A prominent Swiss revisionist author who fled his homeland rather than serve a 15-month prison sentence for "Holocaust denial" has been welcomed in Iran.

Rather than begin serving the politically-motivated prison term that was to commence in October, Jürgen Graf is staying in Tehran at the invitation of a group of Iranian scholars and university professors who are sympathetic to Holocaust revisionism.... He has written an 80-page overview of the history and impact of Holocaust revisionism that is being translated into Persian and Arabic for distribution to scholars, journalists and religious and political leaders. Graf will also be giving lectures at Iranian universities. He learning [sic] Persian (Farsi) in an intensive study course.

Graf arrived in Tehran on November 17, 2000, concluding a journey that had taken him to Poland, Russia, Ukraine and Turkey. He is impressed with the hospitality and helpfulness of his hosts, as well as with the orderliness, cleanliness and sense of security in the Iranian capital.

At the conclusion of his trial in July 1998, a court in the Swiss town of Baden sentenced Graf to 15 months imprisonment and imposed a heavy fine because of his writings.

We have to be smart about how we use our communication. Although Norman Finklestein (NF) might not "deny" the holohoax in the way many on this site would like, he wrote a book that shows how the ADL and israel use that fairy tale for political advantage and monetary gain.  Scorpio already has made an eloquent defense of NF, so I don't need to say that NF is not the enemy.

The question becomes: How can we best use this occasion for the purpose of spreading Truth?

Although we might feel that Finklestein needs to be informed, how should this be approached?  Do we want this to be the only time that NF does an interview on TIU/TFC ? I don't know NF personally, but I like him.  He seems to want to get at the truth, and he has a good sense of humor.  He also has respect for human life, and is an outspoken critic of israhell and its genocidal activities. And NF is very smart. NF shredded Dershitz in that debate. Isn't this the type of person you want on your side?

I would just advise caution when interviewing NF. Tell the truth, but do it gently. This guy is used to getting attacked, but do we want to attack him? I don't. I want him as a friend.

1) How can we get the message out about israhell? What other political options are there besides boycotts?
2) What does he think about the "war on terror"? Homeland security?  The Patriotard act?
3) Has he read the "israel Lobby"? Thoughts on being let go from DePaul? How can a Catholic University be controlled by Dershitz?
4) Has he heard about other terrorist acts performed by israel? USS Liberty? Lavon Act?
5) Has NF heard about the many coincidences involving israel & 9/11? It might be helpful here to provide the list: Odigo prior warning, Silverstein (personal friend of 3 israeli PMs, israeli spy ring: videotaping, proximity to "Atta", "Atta" on Abramoff's yacht, mossad in Mexico congress one month after 9/11 with guns/explosives (Diario de México, October 11, 2001, El Heraldo de Mexico (Mexico City), 10/11/2001), mossad spy cousin of 9/11 hijacker, Comverse, Amdocs, etc... You might even have the audio of the hijacker on flight 11, who sounds suspiciously israeli: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_A ... _Flight_11
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Free Truth

All the "holocaust denial laws" are bullshit!

Don't ever submit and not tell the truth out of fear!

I think much of the questions posed so far are aren't keepers.

There are easy ways to get around these "laws" (statutes) if one is scared.

When you are to turn up the heat and go for his opinion on the veracity of the official WW2 claims, do it toward the end of the show (but leave ample time to discuss it).

If anyone is fearful of their enemy's rules, there are ways to discuss the event without ever "denying" anything.

Q: You're surely aware of the scientific (and common sense) arguments made by revisionists against the official narrative of WW2 and the "homicidal gas chambers..." What is your stance on this?

PLEASE touch on the fact that proponents of the truth regarding this event are on the side of morality and what is right.
The "holocaust" is a tarnish on all of our history. It's only right to at least be certain of the claims.
PLEASE touch on the fact that those on the side of truth denial are the disgusting ones (this is already his stance and could be the winning argument to get the masses [if that's possible  :| ]); and they are or at least should always be called exterminationists. Theirs is the exterminationist side.
Think about it, they are the ones that want 6 million "jews" to have been genocided (sick)!
The other is the moral side of truth.

Unfortunately Daryl submits to these laws and although I'm sure he could come up with good questions, if his presence on the audio will prevent discussion then just do a TiU show.
The goal is to get NF to acknowledge that there is reason to investigate the arguments made by revisionists all the while not having him get turned off. And also to question him on the bigger picture regarding the crimes of zionism...

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bigwaga

1) what he thinks should be done with the jews in israel once they are removed for crimes against humanity?
2) What level of independence should they have wherever they are repatriated too?
3) In what way should they repay all the fraudulent monies they have garnered over the years?
4) would he have an objection to the talmud being exposed as the evil, racist, sick and perverse document that it most clearly is?

John

Christopher Marlowe

Quote from: "Free Truth"All the "holocaust denial laws" are bullshit!

Don't ever submit and not tell the truth out of fear!
Agreed.

Quote from: "Free Truth"Unfortunately Daryl submits to these laws and although I'm sure he could come up with good questions, if his presence on the audio will prevent discussion then just do a TiU show.
The goal is to get NF to acknowledge that there is reason to investigate the arguments made by revisionists all the while not having him get turned off. And also to question him on the bigger picture regarding the crimes of zionism...

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You make some good points FT, but I am reluctant to tell anyone else to risk their freedom. They might have families and children who depend on them.

If I feel so strongly about defying that stupid holocaust law, there is nothing stopping me from going to France or Germany and speaking openly about the holohoax and going to jail.  Maybe I will do that someday.  

I understand that the holohoax is an important cornerstone in zionist power, but is it necessary for DBS and Ognir to risk their freedom by questioning the holohoax now?  Other shows do it. Piper talks about it. But even though these other shows dispute the hoax, there are many who still believe in it. If DBS brings it up, is it going to help that much right now?  

I don't know what DBS' audience share is, but if it is getting larger, maybe bringing up riskier stuff would be best put off in the future when he has a larger audience share and it gets a bigger impact.  

You do phrase the question in a clever way, but even still DBS won't be able to respond in any meaningful way to NF's answer.  If NF says there was an extermination program, DBS would not be able to dispute that.  He couldn't say there were no homicidal gas chambers. Saying anything of substance puts DBS at risk.   And giving the last word to the wrong viewpoint accomplishes the opposite of what we want.

DBS avoids the topic I think because there are so many other things to talk about. Why focus on the one subject for which they can put you in jail?  DBS is doing a lot of good by remaining a free man.  Why end it now?

Again, I would never ask someone to do something that I am not willing to do myself.  Going to jail for questioning the holler would have to serve a larger purpose, like getting a lot of attention. If it was just done in quiet, it would hardly be worth it.
And, as their wealth increaseth, so inclose
    Infinite riches in a little room

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Can you ask him please

1) of what importance does he think had a)Typhus b)other diseases c)starvation or/and  d)others  - playing a role in the death counts at the concentration camps ?

2) does he think of the concentration camps as a) extermination camps  b) force labour camps or/and c) other

3) Does he think the zyklon B was used  a) for delousing to control typhus or b) other options ?

4)   Does he think the House of Rothschild (and their partners in the business of power)  had wich role in the creation of the State of Israel a)little, b)some, or c)a great deal ?

5) Some troughs about some solutions to the Palestinian occupation ?

6) what does He think is gonna happens with Iran and USA/Israel in the near future ?

7) Does he consider the Jewish Elites as a force comparable to the power of a mighty  Empire ?

8) Some troughs about  the idea of "a greater Israel", Some troughs about  the Talmud, AIPAC, Vanunu, the Role of the  Sanhedrin in the Past and wich could be the motive behind the modern action to re-establish it in Israel , and last but not less The Protocols (remember here  the connection between the French House of Rothschild/The league of the Just Men/Marx and Jacob Venedy [wish M. Joly steel some of ideas from]  ) ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_attem ... _Sanhedrin

9) Does he think if it is the Talmud wich provides the moralist ground for the culture of supremacy dominating some of the Hebrew circles ?

10) Some troughs about 9/11 and about the War on terror. Qui bono this War on terror ?

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I agree with Mr Marlowe on this one.  There's plenty of scope for discussion without having to tread on eggshells and risking people's freedom.  

Quote from: "Ahmed"The whole point of his book is that the holocau$t was greatly exaggerated
for the express purpose of grabbing power and sympathy.

Does NF only talk about this in a post Hollow Hoax sense?  Or does he put it into a historical context ie; a recognition of a desire to gain power and sympathy pre- Hollow Hoax?  - Connections to Balfour Declaration etc  

Great guest, can't wait.

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One more thing, just for the record, the name is Norman Finkelstein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

QuoteCan you ask him please

1) of what importance does he think had a)Typhus b)other diseases c)starvation  d)others  - playing a role in the death counts at the concentration camps ?

2) does he think of the concentration camps as a) extermination camps  b) force labour camps or c) other

3) Does he think the zyklon B was used  a) for delousing to control typhus or b) other options ?

4)   Does he think the House of Rothschild (and their partners in the business of power)  had wich role in the creation of the State of Israel a)little, b)some, or c)a great deal ?

5) Some troughs about some solutions to the Palestinian occupation ?

6) what does He think is gonna happens with Iran and USA/Israel in the near future ?

7) Does he consider the Jewish Elites as a force comparable to the power of a mighty  Empire ?

8) Some troughs about  the idea of "a greater Israel", Some troughs about  the Talmud, AIPAC, Vanunu, the Role of the  Sanhedrin in the Past and wich could be the motive behind the modern action to re-establish it in Israel , and last but not less The Protocols (remember here  the connection between the French House of Rothschild/The league of the Just Men/Marx and Jacob Venedy [wish M. Joly steel ideas from]  ) ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_attem ... _Sanhedrin

9) Does he think if is the Talmud wich provides the moralist ground for the culture of supremacy dominating some of the Hebrew circles ?

10) Some troughs about 9/11 and about the War on terror. Qui bono this War on terror ?


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Free Truth

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CM, your entire post is based on the belief that the "authorities" are going to immediately spring on anybody that dares to speak the truth.

Any future cases must get plenty of attention to make it back fire on the perpetrators. Getting people talking about the holocaust in any way is not what they want.
Any more discussion on the entire issue is a great thing.

You do make some good points, but NF must be asked some real questions!

I really like my question and I think a few of Tab's questions are great!

Quote1) of what importance does he think had a)Typhus b)other diseases c)starvation or/and d)others - playing a role in the death counts at the concentration camps ?

2) does he think of the concentration camps as a) extermination camps b) force labour camps or/and c) other

3) Does he think the zyklon B was used a) for delousing to control typhus or b) other options ?
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Free Truth

Quote from: "Christopher Marlowe"If NF says there was an extermination program...

Man, that would make for an awkward rest of the show from that point on!
At least for me...

He would basically be turning his back on truth and probably losing some support at that moment...


Is this show planned to be a joint recording with TFC or just TiU???

Christopher Marlowe

Quote from: "Free Truth"CM, your entire post is based on the belief that the "authorities" are going to immediately spring on anybody that dares to speak the truth.
Yes. But I think that should be the case when the possible outcome is prison.
Also, DBS has spoken about being followed by mossad agents and talking to them.

Quote from: "Free Truth"Any future cases must get plenty of attention to make it back fire on the perpetrators.
With the amount of attention DBS has gotten, I could see that they are concerned about him and might want to make an example of him, like Rudolph, and Zundel, etc...  I don't know if we can be sure the publicity will back fire on the perpetrators (which I take to mean the zionist criminals).  
 
Quote from: "Free Truth"Getting people talking about the holocaust in any way is not what they want.
Any more discussion on the entire issue is a great thing.
I know you mean to say that they only want people to talk about the holocaust in that bullsh*t reverential way that Hollywood likes. Or when someone intelligent doubts the holohoax, they are spoken of as a nazi jew-hater, like Bishop Williamson or Pat Buchanan.  zionist criminals don't want a substantive debate on the factual basis of the holohoax.  

Quote from: "Free Truth"You do make some good points, but NF must be asked some real questions!
Agreed. Perhaps I am most concerned with opening a dialogue between NF and DBS. The point is to have a discussion and not a shouting match.  And the optimum would be to have many discussions rather than a single short, angry one.  

DBS and MR have had many discussions, mostly about finance, and I have learned a lot from listening to them.  They don't fight because they are friends.  Do people need to have a fight to have a meaningful discussion?

Quote from: "Free Truth"Man, that would make for an awkward rest of the show from that point on!
At least for me...
He would basically be turning his back on truth and probably losing some support at that moment...
Exactly. So why put him into that position?  And why on the first interview? There are other areas of agreement that can be discussed. If they are just getting to know each other, why not start from a point on which they agree? Maybe after a couple of discussions they can talk about areas where they might have some disagreement. But at that point, they might have a friendship that would allow them to politely express their differing views and their reasoning and let the audience decide.  

Quote from: "Free Truth"Is this show planned to be a joint recording with TFC or just TiU???
I don't know if any recording is going to take place now. I just saw a post on TFC that was labeled:
"The True Professor Norman Fecalmatterstine...This Guy Is Full Of It!!!" :o
pointing here: http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/last-fall-norma.html

The ideal interviewee would be Ellen Brown. She is very sweet (I met her once) and very intelligent.  She is not perfect, of course, but you don't want to fight her and she doesn't want to fight. She likes to think the best of everybody.

Most people are not that sweet. Dysfunction is a something that affects everyone, and as with most everything else, it can be envisioned on a continuum: Some people are very dysfunctional (George Bush), and some people not so much (Ellen Brown). I think that lying is a major symptom of dysfunction. People lie because they see that reality is not in accord with their own world view. By lying they are attempting to change reality to to fit in with their distorted world view. For example, people tend to exaggerate their academic histories and athletic prowess to make up for the discrepancy between their large ego and their lack of success.  

Confronting someone who is dysfunctional does not necessarily heal their dysfunction. In my experience, they will more often than not, respond with venom, anger and lies because that is where they live.  That is what breeds dysfunction. When I used to teach, I found that the worst kids did not respond well to the strong-arm tactics. The result was usually that the kid would cause more trouble and spread lies about me.  

On the other hand, if I made friends with the kid, then the kid didn't want to fight me. I could seek out the qualities in the kid that were good and reward him for those qualities. If I made the kid my friend, his opposition to me caused a conflict in himself.  The kid who has the teacher for an enemy can channel all of his energy against the that teacher. But the kid who has the teacher for a friend will feel guilty when he hurts the teacher.    

Jesus said:
Quote"But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you."

As I said, lying is a symptom of dysfunction. I don't know how dysfunctional NF is, but if he lies, there you have it. I do think that the answer with someone like NF is to find grounds for agreement first.  Form a friendship. Then venture into those areas that you may disagree. The friendship will cause both parties to use respectful terms in their discussion and this will provide a better forum from which the truth will emerge.
And, as their wealth increaseth, so inclose
    Infinite riches in a little room

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Two more questions to Norman Finkelstein

What does he think of the fate of Rachel Corrie ?




 And in the matter of David Cole's investigations, his opinion about it and what has he thinks about the fate of  David Cole after the production of the documentary ?



David Cole - The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 610001004#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 550012012#

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Free Truth

Two great posts...
Couple more good questions too...
Especially the one asking about Cole (and even other revisionists).

QuoteAs I said, lying is a symptom of dysfunction. I don't know how dysfunctional NF is, but if he lies, there you have it. I do think that the answer with someone like NF is to find grounds for agreement first. Form a friendship. Then venture into those areas that you may disagree. The friendship will cause both parties to use respectful terms in their discussion and this will provide a better forum from which the truth will emerge.

Definitely...
You catch more flies with honey.
Negativity (or opposition) is good for getting nothing more most of the time. A progress blocker...
Form a friendship. Then venture into those areas that you may disagree.

Yes! Be smart about it by establishing that and be in control of where any (not just talking about the interview now) discussion/interaction will go.

It was J.T. Gato who, in his explanation of the major points taught to the rich students of the elite private schools, said that politeness and/or manners are "the foundation(s) of all future relationships, alliances and access."
You catch more flies with honey...

QuoteJesus said:

    "But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you."

Once when I was reading the Bible, I (if I'm not mistaken) read a similar passage but it ended in something like: "...for it will be like lightning upon their heads."
i really liked it. Made me smile...


Is this show still going to happen???

Free Truth

Quote from: "Christopher Marlowe"
Quote from: "Free Truth"Man, that would make for an awkward rest of the show from that point on!
At least for me...
He would basically be turning his back on truth and probably losing some support at that moment...
Exactly. So why put him into that position?  And why on the first interview?

Hopefully it isn't the case, but it could be the only interview opportunity that legit anti-zionism gets from him.

joeymaclover

-Parvus error in principio magnus est in fine-
A small error in principle is a large error in conclusion

Ognir

Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe