understanding Ron Paul (for DBS, Ognir, etc)

[Large Sarge]

ok folks I know RP gets a lot of grief.

Let me explain my take on old RP

He has stated from the beginning he understood,  that he has no real chance of winning the presidential election, his goal was/is primarily educational.

regarding 9/11 (and other crimes)

I saw the late Harry Browne (libertarian prez cand) speak, and he was asked on this question (this was perhaps 7 years ago)

"give a good solution to 9/11 Harry" (and it was not widely known that the mossad was behind 9/11 at that time)

Harry "its rather simple, I would offer a $50 million dollar bounty on Osama, and lesser amounts on everyone else involved"

"no innocents killed, no invasions, etc"

Anyway here we are 9+ years later, and we are still killing innocents, had we followed the principles, we would have gotten Osama, and of course it would have come out the Mossad was behind it all, in the meantime we would not have millions of innocents killed

that is RP "principles over criminals"

Now lets go a step further, I am fairly long time subscriber to Jim Willie.

Now Jim Willie is brilliant (he even has the great wit/sarcasm/arrogance that true brilliance has, they have no patience with average intelligence folks)

Mr. Willie has named names a few times in the past,

He has had a mossad agent/ DHS goon take the seat next to him on a long flight, and proceed to threaten him for the entire flight

(He then gave up traveling and speaking engagements)

He lives in Costa Rica, he has had at least 2 separate goon squads fly down and threaten him about his newsletter

He has had his place broken into at least 1 time, stole his computer and all his work for the newsletter

etc

get the drift

Now if RP came out and said things aobut the criminal gang, he would either be dead, or completely discredited

whereas if he focusses on the principles and teaching them, he can touch the future

also to add, sometime it helps to play the "what if" game

"what if we did ge tthe word out, and arressted all the crime gang"

the majority of the U.S. population are clueless on liberty, free markets, the constitution, etc We would just trade 1 crime gang for another, that would replace them, the people have no idea about the real role of govt, the real power of the american citizen, etc

Now this is not an apology for RP, but it is my understanding on him

of course he has his faults, but look what they did to Debra Medina, she came out early on 9/11 truth, they attacked her, she had to back pedal and they disgraced her. (and she lost)

politics is a nasty business

look at 9/11

if we followed RP

no patriot act, offer bounties for all the criminals (no invasion, massmurders, etc), etc

would anyone here really be that upset if Osama ( a former CIA patsy) had to stand trial and prove his innocence?
I mean we see all the fmailies killed in iraq, pakistan, and afghanistan, and thats what makes us angry.

RP never endorsed that

"principles before criminals"

(let the attacks begin)
LOL
 

[Ognir]

Whatever happened to the $20 million  :lol:

[mgt23]

RP is bullshit. He is a partial popularist not realist. He's stitched us over the zios over 911 the jewish lobby but more than that people think returning to a gold standard will save us. idiots only greenbacks backed with labourtime(surplus value) can save the monetary system-which ill qualify must be localized in a confederate county structure.

[Large Sarge]

I believe some of the 20 million was squandered by dishonest folks near the top(Jim Condit covered this), some went into "Campaign for liberty"

regarding the money system, the constitution  says "silver and gold are money"

BIMETALLISM:  THE ONLY ENDURING STANDARD

 "This is the end of Western civilisation."

 -- Lewis Douglas (US Budget Director), remark to James P. Warburg after President Roosevelt announced that the US was going off the gold standard, April 18, 1933

Douglas was wrong, of course.  The end of Western civilisation had already come sixty years earlier, when the United States demonetised silver.

In the last eight months I have been forced to recognize a huge gap in my understanding.  I know that I am not alone, since over and over I read phrases like, "Gold is the money that has withstood the test of time" and "Gold has always been the only money," and "Gold is the only money with intrinsic value."

This, of course, is all wrong.  100% wrong.  The gold standard by itself is a problem, because it is essentially monistic.   A gold standard alone is just a fiat standard in disguise.  Bimetallism is the only answer, with gold defined in terms of silver and silver in terms of gold.  That offers a self-correcting mechanism to keep the currencies honest.  A gold standard is just fiat money defined in terms of gold and gold defined in terms of fiat, without any independent valuation to keep the system honest.

That the bimetallic system is self-correcting can be induced from the 45 centuries men used it.  Since what date have we had the greatest monetary and financial instability?  Since the introduction of the monometallic gold standard in the 19th century (not to mention the introduction of Central Banks, beginning with the Bank of Sweden in the 1650s).

I am embarrassed to admit it, but this never quite lodged in my mind until I read an article, "Gold Standard = Fiat in Disguise" by one J.N. Tlaga that  appeared on LeMetropoleCafe.com.  Why I never saw the real issue in bimetallism, namely, it keeps the whole system honest and makes fiat impossible, I can't explain, but it is considerably embarrassing.  If nothing else, I should have seen it from a philosophical/theological standpoint, because a gold standard system is monist, and the universal matrix of truth is Trinitarian, not monist.  Anyway, I didn't see it, but do now.

The gold/silver system governed itself for nearly thirty centuries, without any governments fixing ratios.  The first reference I remember to fixing ratios was the Spanish mint upping the ratio about 1496, so that argues they had been regulating it since the Middle Ages. The Romans also issued coins at fixed ratios, but deferring to the existing market, not trying to maintain some arbitrary ratio in the face of it.  Meanwhile, the ancient East operated on a far different ratio, and the world was not destroyed or disrupted.  

Today the market's operation on the bimetallic ratio ought to be far more efficient than ever before, in view of technological advances in communications.

Once again, we see that the issue of money is far too delicate and crucial to mankind's health to be left to government.  Frankly, I believe the American Founding Fathers thought exactly that way, reading from the monetary system they set up.  

That system was actually trimetallic, with copper, silver, and gold.  The ratio was 840.21 ounces of copper equal 15 ounces of silver equals one ounce of gold, and that's what the coins gave.  They intentionally set up a system with a lower gold/silver ratio than the prevailing world rate (15:1 when the French mint rate was 15.5:1) in order to draw silver, the metal of daily commerce, into the country. They were right, since the colonies had suffered from a dearth of specie for two centuries.  

The system they set up was one that Ed Vieira calls "symmetallism," although I'm not sure that is the precise term, since others use that differently.  Anyway, he means a system where one metal is the standard coin (in our case, the dollar of silver) and the coins of the other metal ("Eagles", not even denominated in "dollars" per the 1792 Coinage Act, but "valued in" dollars) are periodically adjusted to answer changes in the market ratio.  That exactly was done in 1834, without cheating anyone.  

And through all this, everyone was free to contract for payment in silver, or gold, or anything else, without compunction.  And they couldn't be forced to take inflated bank notes.  And there was no central bank.

But didn't the fluctuations in value of gold versus silver wreak havoc with world commerce?  From 1833 through 1873 – four decades – the London price of silver valued in gold ranged from $1.297 an ounce (1833, against an official US price of $1.2929 an ounce) to $1.36 an ounce (1859).  That's a gigantic, colossal deviation of – 4.86 percent!  Today a 4.86% fluctuation in fiat money exchange rates in one day would put everybody to sleep, let alone four decades that quiet.

The cure for our monetary woes is not a gold standard, but a return to a sound, self-correcting bimetallic gold and silver standard.

-- F. Sanders

[Large Sarge]

October 23, 2008 NA (Network America) e-wire

Why Ron Paul Campaign Failed; Why Obama Campaign
Succeeded

I sense a tremendous DEMORALIZATION hanging over the heads of the good guys out there. It is a real demoralization. It is a demoralization resulting from a realization that "nothing works." And this realization is based in the reality of our experience in the last 20 years. "Nothing works" because the effective strategies
- or the "missing ingredient" strategies have been ignored. I have been promoting these "missing ingredient" strategies for 20 years - and continue feeling like the proverbial "voice crying in the wilderness." ( These three strategies are all detailed in the video on the
home page of my congressional website:
www.WagTheDog2008.com )

WHY THE RON PAUL CAMPAIGN FAILED

The Ron Paul Campaign failed because Ron Paul and the sincere part of his campaign team failed to recognize, or at least did nothing to strategically counter, the "safeguards" erected by the NeoCon/Communist Jewish Crime Syndicate now pretty much running the USA. First, they have by now bought up ALL major media. This media buy up started in 1913 (then newspapers only) when the Rothschilds and their buddies got the US Congress to delegate all money-issuing power for the USA to them through their privately owned Federal Reserve Board (FED). (See "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by
G. Edward Griffin, or "Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins, or the video on Google, or available on DVD, "The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America" by Bill Still, circa 1996.) This NeoCon Crime Syndicate's ownership of Big Media reached Monopoly status in the years following 1999 when Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and took down other barriers to monopolies, such as media-monopolies. For instance, Clear Channel Radio, where I am running my Campaign Radio ads - has all major AM stations in the Cincinnati Area on their wall as you walk in. WKRC, WLW, WSAI, and many other stations are run out of their 6th floor offices in a prominent building in Kenwood, a suburb of Cincinnati near 1-71. We have beat the drum ad nauseam about how ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the AP wire service - are all run by the Neo-Con Jewish Crime Syndicate.
See here:
http://www.realnews247.com/who_runs_the_media.htm

Such monopoly of the issue of a nation's money, and such a monopoly of major media -- has nothing to do with free enterprise or fair competition.
Those around the FED (a private company) can issue unlimited loans or money to themselves and their friends WITHOUT any accountability. The FED operates in the dark - and has never been audited (even once) since 1913. As one commentator put it: "It's like we're fighting a war with bullets - and they are the only ones allowed to
manufacture bullets." So the FED Gangster-Banksters kept issuing themselves or their front men enough money to buy up about 1400 radio stations in the late 1990s
and before September 11, 2001. There was a news article about a decade ago that Clear Channel was offering independent stations 3 times the going price. I'm sure many families or small corporations said: "We'll never have an opportunity like this again - let's sell." When the smoke cleared, every major talk radio station in the USA was run by this gang of Neo-Con Jews now looting the nation - and pushing us into more years of war in the Mideast. As I'm sure many of you noticed, every major talk
show host in the USA (by then Clear Channel men,
one and all) had to be a fawning cheerleader for
the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - or he was fired or
transferred. See "How to Lose Your Job in Talk
Radio" by Charles Goyette which can be found
here: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/feb/02/00013/ By at least 1988 - I would say more like 1938 - EVERY Big City daily newspaper was under the
control of the same crowd. The New World Order Wirepullers knew that there would eventually be ATTEMPTS at tremendous reactions against what they were doing to America. So, with the power to issue unlimited money to themselves and their allies, they set in
safeguards against the candidates who would try
to lead America against their monstrous program. And those safeguards are: 1) Control of all Big Media, a necessary prerequisite of every totalitarian state; 2) establishing several companies that would constantly (allegedly) do public opinion polls for their Big Media, and would issue phony public opinion polls when asked to do so, in order to prepare the public mind for the easily rigged
computer result to be announced on election night. This subject was mentioned extensively in our year 2000 Network America ewires; then the Big Media was using phony public opinion polls as
early as January 1996 and 2000 to kill the
Buchanan candidacy; they would use the same
tactics on Ron Paul in 2008. It should be noted that in 1996 massive vote fraud had to be used against Buchanan in the GOP primaries because he was pretty well known due to his successfully TV career on CNN and The
McLaughlin Group on PBS. Buchanan won three of the first four verifiable primary contests, and probably had Iowa stolen from him as demonstrated in the article "A House
without Doors." (See "A House without Doors" by
searching google or going to the home page of
votefraud.org). But then, Buchanan starting losing to the
lackluster Senator Bob Dole 80% to 20%, and 70%
to 30% in states using the easily rigged election
computers. The fact that Senator Bob Dole was
such a terrible candidate, and NOT a conservative
AT ALL, made this contrast between hand counted, open primary contests on the one hand, and computer counted contests, on the other hand, in 1996 - all the more glaring. 3) Establish the "exit poll" scam through an entity owned by their Big Media, for a long time called Voter News Service (VNS) so that on election day they could start issuing phony exit polls early in the day which prepared the public to believe the easily rigged computer result that would be announced on election night. (This was also covered ad nauseam in our 2000 and 2001
Network America ewires.) See the home page of votefraud.org, especially the articles: http://www.votefraud.org/how_a_priva..._our_votes.htm http://www.votefraud.org/relevance_o...s_to_study.htm

4) Buy control of both the Republican and Democratic parties at the top (this would only be possible if your gang had a monopoly on issuing money) so that your gang could stage phony elections every four years between two of your competing puppets, and so that you could
pressure, cajole, bribe all states and 99% of the
counties in those states - to adopt easily rigged
election computers which would be controlled by
your gang through phone lines, computer connections, modems, and satellite technology. (This has actually been accomplished, as we have explained elsewhere many times. No citizen except in 120 small towns in New Hampshire are allowed to see or count their ballots on election day, or three weeks thereafter, by which time the ballots could be easily switched to make the published
computer results "come true".) 5) Establish several APPARENTLY competing companies which offer easily rigged election computers to every state and county in the USA. Through control of these easily rigged computers,
the Neo-Con Jewish Crime Syndicate can alter the
vote when necessary - that is, when it becomes
necessary because their super slanted media
coverage and media censorship did not get the
final result they had wanted. So, now we have laid the foundation to quickly state why the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign failed, and why the Obama Campaign is succeeding. But one more thing first: Harvard's motto today is "Veritas" or "Truth" - taken from what, believe it or not, is still Harvard's official motto: "Truth for Christ and
His Church." The University of Cincinnati's Motto is: "Juncta Juvant", Latin for "Strength in Unity." The US Marines have the motto of "Semper Fidelis", Latin for "Always Faithful." And the motto of the US Military Academy at West Point is the stirring: "Duty, Honor, Country." In fact, every organization in the world which
uses a motto -- has a positive uplifting motto as far as I know - except one. The Mossad's (Israel's Intelligence Agency) motto is: "Make War by Way of Deception." MAKE WAR - by way of deception. (!!!!)

So, when the 30 or so NeoCon Jews in New York City rig a public opinion poll, or issue a phony exit poll on election day, or rig the election computers on election night - they don't feel guilty. - They slap themselves on the back for a
job well done. For they are making war on YOU and YOUR country - by way of deception. That attitude is based deeply in their diabolical book, The Talmud. As famous author Michael Collins Piper says: "Who put the mud in the Talmud?" Now that we understand the mindset we are
fighting, let's proceed as to why the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign failed, and was so easily disposed of by the cackle of NeoCon Jewish Criminals around the Fed and 5 Big TV Networks. -- The Ron Paul Presidential Campaign needed to challenge the public opinion polls starting in
mid 2007. Failure to do so allowed the 5 Big TV
Networks to establish that Ron Paul was an
insignificant candidate and that such ciphers as
John McCain and Rudy Giuliani were "favorites of
the people." The Buchanan campaign made exactly
the same mistake in 2000 - never once challenging
the Big Media shadowy opinion polls. (By the way, this is why the betrayal of Ron Paul
by his own Paid Staff, namely Lew Moore, the late
Kent Snyder, Jesse Benton, Don Rasmussen, Jeff
Frazee, and others, -- was so devastating at the
Iowa Straw Poll on August 11, 2007. These de
facto traitors-within to the Ron Paul Revolution
worked hand in glove with the crooked Iowa GOP to
make sure that the Iowa Straw Poll vote was
counted on the discredited and easily rigged
Diebold computers. These de facto traitors within
fought our Watch the Vote 2008 group TOOTH and
NAIL as we tried to get an OPEN Count. Also, the Ron Paul organization on the ground in
Iowa deliberately threw the Iowa Straw Poll, as
they deliberately took a dive five months later
in the Iowa Caucus on January 3, 2008, under the
more than hideous "leadership" of Drew Ivers. But
that's another story for another time. - HAD Ron Paul come in a strong 2nd in the Iowa
Straw Poll - as we believe he did - that result
would have proven all the Big Media as liars in
that they were disseminating phony public opinion
polls that Ron Paul had ZERO SUPPORT. That's why
we were in Iowa, and that's why the Iowa Straw
Poll was so important. See this article if you
want to study up on this betrayal from within
now: http://www.votefraud.org/snail_mail_...ignDec2007.htm

Next, the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign needed
to challenge the uniform Big Media censorship
against his campaign. This censorship reached ABSURD heights on
December 17, 2007 - when every Big TV Network,
every major Talk Radio Stations, Sean Hannity,
Rush Limbaugh, and every Big City Daily Newspaper
in the USA -- IGNORED the fact that the "minor"
Presidential candidate Ron Paul who had "no
support" - achieved the largest fund raising day
for any American political candidate in American
history, raising $6.2 million through the
internet on December 16, 2007, -- the anniversary
of the Boston Tea Party. The "missing" $20 million dollars of campaign contributions squirreled away somewhere by Lew Moore should have been used to mount this
challenge of the 5 Big TV Networks through major
TV and Radio stations against ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN,
FOX, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. See the type of radio ad they should have run on
youtube, or at my youtube channel,
www.YouTube.com/JimConditJr -- the youtube
address for this radio ad, "Fighting Back for Ron
Paul" - is here:
YouTube - Fighting Back for Ron Paul TV Radio Ad
YouTube - Fighting Back for Ron Paul TV Radio Ad  
 

The "Reasonable Access Law" (also known as the
"Candidate Advertising Law") would have required
all major FCC licensed Radio and TV stations to
carry all of such Ron Paul ads without censorship
or alternation. While this counter-attack on the
Big Media would not have in and of itself
produced a Ron Paul victory, it would have
exposed to tens of millions of American Citizens
that the 5 Big TV Networks constituted THE ENEMY
of the American people and the free flow of
information - and that all 5 Big TV networks were
run by the same monolithic force. Finally, the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign would have had to demand that all the easily rigged computers be thrown out - and that all venues use paper ballots to be counted by hand by the
citizens in each neighborhood precinct - as soon
as the polls close. This age-old procedure makes
the central rigging of election impossible.
(Election computers make the central rigging of
elections an ever present possibility.) Ron Paul did acknowledge after the campaign was
basically over that he had come to a new
awareness of the seriousness of the votefraud
issue. You can hear his answer live at:
www.AUnetwork.tv - the third link at the top of
the HomePage on the left hand side. Again, the ruthless criminals running the election system would NOT have allowed the counting of the ballots at closing time in the
open - unless hundreds of citizens were at each
polling place demanding such a count. But again,
this would have exposed to millions of Americans
that our election system was under a hostile
occupation force - and millions of Americans
would have realized that the 2008 election was
illegitimate. CONVERSELY, WHY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IS SUCCEEDING First, the NeoCon Jewish Crime Syndicate running all the Big Media - have issued phony polls from
day one that Obama was everyone's favorite. These
polls eventually apparently became true after
BILLIONS of dollars of free publicity from the
Big Media telling everyone that Obama was a REAL
PLAYER for President. Since Obama is relatively smooth on stage and
when giving a speech with a teleprompter or
script - and since he is a minority who is looked
at by most of the black community as perhaps
their first "man" in the White House - there did
develop a genuine enthusiasm for his campaign. But without his being chosen as a "contender" by
the 5 Big TV Networks - none of us would have
ever heard of him - or we would have only barely
heard of him. The Big Media, far from censoring Obama like they
did Ron Paul, gave Obama non-stop billions of
dollars for free publicity, while minimizing such
as Senator Joe Biden, former Senator and former
Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards, etc.
etc. etc. Few Americans seem to notice that all 5 Big TV
Networks move as one propaganda arm when it comes
to who gets publicity and who doesn't. The phony
public opinion polls - issued by these same 5 Big
TV Networks - are the justification used to give
the "chosen ones" publicity -- and the
"not-chosen ones" little publicity or none at
all. Even with the Billions of dollars in free
publicity - Obama tried a money bomb - and had to
call it off at noon when he had only raised
$6,000 (six thousand dollars !!!). Remember that
Ron Paul had raised $6.2 million on December 16,
2007 - and $5.2 million on November 5, 2008. This
shows Obama's grassroots enthusiasm was very
shallow and TOTALLY generated by the Big Media,
unlike Ron Paul's deeply committed grassroots
movement - which rose up AGAINST the censorship
of the crooks running the Big TV Networks. Finally, IF ALL THE PUBLICITY FAILS FOR OBAMA,
the NeoCon Jewish Crime syndicate will rig the
election computers in as many places as necessary
(usually the big cities where they have crooked
or brain-dead agents who allow the Elites to send
in "computer experts" to do anything they want on
election night, and in the weeks following the
election) to make Obama the President by
"computer magic". Whether Obama is ELECTED or not --- he has been
SELECTED by the NeoCon Ruling Elite - and the
election computers will reflect THEIR choice, ---
whether it is OUR choice or not. Please visit my congressional "radio ads"
campaign website, WagTheDog2008.com - and
contribute - there is still time for us to make a
MAJOR IMPACT in the last week of Election 2008
through my radio ads. Two of my ads and last week's radio shows are up
for listening at the top link on the home page of
WagTheDog2008.com - and you can, of course, watch
my video, "The Rest of the 2008 Campaign", there. To contribute to help me reach hundreds of
thousands of people next week through Radio Ads,
go here: http://www.condit2008.com/what_you_g...ating_2008.htm Thanks. Jim Condit Jr.
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"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything."
Attributed to Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin

[Large Sarge]

RP is bullshit. He is a partial popularist not realist. He's stitched us over the zios over 911 the jewish lobby but more than that people think returning to a gold standard will save us. idiots only greenbacks backed with labourtime(surplus value) can save the monetary system-which ill qualify must be localized in a confederate county structure.

the bimetallism post is directed at you, and bimetallism is in the constitution

[abduLMaria]

there are times when the right thing to do, is to 'fall on the sword'.

as an elected Rep., Ron Paul has the power to do a complete 2 hour press conference telling the truth about 9-11.  it might blow away his political career; that's what i mean by "fall on the sword".

he also has some ability to protect himself from Zionist flak.  not infinite ability, but some ability.

the question is, how can Ron Paul best serve his country, by being silent or by speaking out ?

i say, let him join with Cynthia McKinney and tell the truth about 9-11.

right now, the US virtually has no government.  it's like the United States of Israel.  most of the elected reps. are terrified - and playing along.  that's not leadership.

Ron Paul has shown a small amount of leadership.  the people of the US - and the world - need for him to show a LOT MORE leadership.

simply by telling the truth about 9-11.

also, miracles do happen.  Ron Paul could be re-elected after telling the truth about 9-11.

we - citizens of the US - have already lost our nation.  not much to lose.  why not tell the truth ?

Ron Paul needs to learn to fight ghetto-style - as if he had nothing to lose.

he'd have 20 million new best friends.  admittedly, 100 of them might be Mossad agents.

[mgt23]

the bimetallism post is directed at you, and bimetallism is in the constitution

so what if its in the constitution? am i supposed to bow or something? My point still stands they own all the gold and whilst it is harder to monopolise the silver in my opinion it is perfectly within their capability to do that. Labourtime is something they cannot strip you of and has a fixed value in the sense that there is a baseline of the amount of energy needed to keep 1person perday alive. When you have full employment and only then can you have legitimate growth as labourtime then becomes a scarce resource and increases the value of the note.

[Large Sarge]

the bimetallism post is directed at you, and bimetallism is in the constitution

so what if its in the constitution? am i supposed to bow or something? My point still stands they own all the gold and whilst it is harder to monopolise the silver in my opinion it is perfectly within their capability to do that. Labourtime is something they cannot strip you of and has a fixed value in the sense that there is a baseline of the amount of energy needed to keep 1person perday alive. When you have full employment and only then can you have legitimate growth as labourtime then becomes a scarce resource and increases the value of the note.

they have never been able to take control of both metals

the wizard of oz (the book, dorothys slippers are silver)

Silver is the solution (as Jason Hommel points out in "give me silver or give me death" posted on this site)

the bankers/zionists worked a long long time to demonetize silver



Baum's Allegory According to Rockoff
Dorothy = the American people: plucky, good natured, naive.
Toto = the Prohibition (Temperance) party. Favored the bimetallic standard but like any fringe group often pulled in the wrong direction. So they got to be a dog. (Toto is a play on "teetotalers.")
Oz = the almighty ounce (oz) of gold.
The yellowbrick road = paved with gold bricks, but leads nowhere.
Dorothy's silver slippers = originally the property of the Wicked Witch of the East, until Dorothy drops the house on the witch. Walking on the yellowbrick road with the silver slippers represented the bimetallic standard. (MGM changed the silver slippers to the vivid (garish, even) ruby slippers to exploit the fabulous technology of Technicolor.)
The Good Witch of the North = New England, a populist stronghold.
The Good Witch of the South = the South, another populist stronghold.
The Wicked Witch of the East = Eastern banking and industrial interests. She is killed by Dorothy's falling house because the Populists expected that the eastern industrial workers would vote Populist, but this never really happened.
The Wicked Witch of the West = the West was where the Populists were strongest. The only reason why the West gets a wicked witch is a) you need two bad guys to balance the two good guys, and especially, b) William McKinley was from Ohio, then thought of as a western state.  The wicked witch is sometimes identified directly with President McKinley.
The Munchkins = subjects of the eastern banking and industrial interests, i.e., eastern workers who didn't vote for Bryan.
The Scarecrow = western farmers. They were Populists.
The Tin Woodsman = eastern workers. Populist mythology always looked to this group for support, but never found it in reality. Baum realized this (most Populists didn't) and shows the Tinman as a victim of mechanization. He's so dehumanized he doesn't have a heart.
The Cowardly Lion = William Jennings Bryan.
The Emerald City = Washington D.C. The color is suggestive of paper greenbacks.
The Wizard = President McKinley, but sometimes his advisor, Marcus Alonzo Hanna.

[Large Sarge]

there are times when the right thing to do, is to 'fall on the sword'.

as an elected Rep., Ron Paul has the power to do a complete 2 hour press conference telling the truth about 9-11.  it might blow away his political career; that's what i mean by "fall on the sword".

he also has some ability to protect himself from Zionist flak.  not infinite ability, but some ability.

the question is, how can Ron Paul best serve his country, by being silent or by speaking out ?

i say, let him join with Cynthia McKinney and tell the truth about 9-11.

right now, the US virtually has no government.  it's like the United States of Israel.  most of the elected reps. are terrified - and playing along.  that's not leadership.

Ron Paul has shown a small amount of leadership.  the people of the US - and the world - need for him to show a LOT MORE leadership.

simply by telling the truth about 9-11.

also, miracles do happen.  Ron Paul could be re-elected after telling the truth about 9-11.

we - citizens of the US - have already lost our nation.  not much to lose.  why not tell the truth ?

Ron Paul needs to learn to fight ghetto-style - as if he had nothing to lose.

he'd have 20 million new best friends.  admittedly, 100 of them might be Mossad agents.

Jim Willie reaches a few thousand subscribers, and they were after him with a vengeance

RP reaches millions on the presidential campaign (what is the outcome?) (I figure they would kill him)

pretty easy to say "fall on your sword" safely from the sidelines

and again you do not follow things out, I already played the "What if" game, most americans are ignorant of the role/nature of govt, so even if you rounded up the crime gang, you would still have the same govt in place (and a new crime gang starting over)

[mgt23]

i have to agree to disagree. Anything that has scarcity can be monopolised, for example the water supply in the UK. They have managed to monetize something that falls from the sky. I think you underestimate the control they have over society.

[Large Sarge]

i have to agree to disagree. Anything that has scarcity can be monopolised, for example the water supply in the UK. They have managed to monetize something that falls from the sky. I think you underestimate the control they have over society.

they could never control both metals

the free market system (bi metallism), the ratio always corrected accordingly (a floating system)

for instanc ewhen a big supply of silver hit the market, the normal ratio of 16 silver ounces to 1 gold ounce would skew up to say 20 to 1 (or some such)

so if they started hoarding the free market corrects it

when silver is scarce it buys more goods and services in the free market

when it is abundant is buys less

(supply and demand)

thats why you need bimetallism

[mgt23]

so if they started hoarding the free market corrects it

what free market? there isnt one.....look at what they do to the diamond market (de beers)

if there was it would be nuked.

[Large Sarge]

you can not "corner", manipulate or control both metals while they are money

besides the ratio correcting imbalances

the natural price/value changes, the more they hoard or control the metal

i.e.

they dry up all the silver

well the ratio on silver to gold corrects, so instead of 16 to 1 it goes to 5 to 1

at 5 to 1 ratio, the free market allows you to buy a lot of goods and services for silver

it also encourages more silver mining, because the return on it is much better than gold

so miners bring more silver to market (increasing the silver supply)

etc

they had to demonetize silver, because they could never corner both markets in a floating system

The Silver Slippers in the wizard of oz offered the escape from the wizard (zio bankers)

silver has always been the common mans money

[mgt23]

so miners bring more silver to market (increasing the silver supply)

and this is why i think you are wrong.
1)the common man doesnt own the mining companies cartel/multinational conglomerates who would set the quotas and price.
2)the current collapse of the fiat money is to totally dispose the common man of any land title and mining rights.
3)with the above two in mind the silver supply can indeed be monopolised and usually is through warfare if ever there was a danger to the cartel.

[Large Sarge]

so miners bring more silver to market (increasing the silver supply)

and this is why i think you are wrong.
1)the common man doesnt own the mining companies cartel/multinational conglomerates who would set the quotas and price.
2)the current collapse of the fiat money is to totally dispose the common man of any land title and mining rights.
3)with the above two in mind the silver supply can indeed be monopolised and usually is through warfare if ever there was a danger to the cartel.

if Copper is known as the smart metal, then silver is the brilliant metal (the best electrical conductor, best reflector of light, heat, etc)

silver is quite unique in its properties

and more importantly, almost all the silver has been used up, unlike all the gold that has been mined is still sitting in a vault somewhere

most of the silver is either in use, or sitting in a landfill somewhere

conservative estimates say there are 5 times as much gold above ground as silver currently

the cartel owns the gold miners (spec Barrick Gold)

but a lot of silver comes to market as a byproduct of base metal mining (zinc, copper, etc)

so the contorl is more elusive

Silver is they key, just like Dorothy figured it out

[scorpio]

Ron Paul is a 33rd degree mason - I know that for a fact.  :shock:
He is an actor playing a role; A steam valve, so to speak.
He is a dead end for a movement designed to go no where.
That way, all of the pay-trio-tards can think that there is someone
out there who is going to save the system.
Why do you think Alex Jones pushes him all the time??

[Ognir]

Large Sarge, I have a question for ya

Has RP ever spoken openly about the Zionism

/insert WAVE

He dissed the 911 movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUukbFgQcY

[Large Sarge]

Large Sarge, I have a question for ya

Has RP ever spoken openly about the Zionism

/insert WAVE

He dissed the 911 movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUukbFgQcY

I doubt he has spoken on it (zionism)

principles over criminals

I love this site, DBS is great, so is Ognir,

imagine a govt so small that no matter who got a hold of it, the damage is minimal

imagine we arrest and kickout all the zionist crimionals, and leave the behemoth U.S. govt as it is
Well its pretty obvious some other group would take over, the brainwashed sheep would expect a new group of criminals to come in and run things (like we get democrats or republicans)

everyone here is wise to zionism and the conspiracy

but the principles of the constitution transcend anyone criminal group

i.e. no zio central bank in the constitution (Ben Shalom Bernanke would be looking for work)

you know they say when you try and quit smoking (or some other bad habit) that you cannot focus on what you were (like "I am a non-smoker")

because the mind does not hear negatives, so it only hears/thinks "I am a smoker"

instead you focus on what you want  "I am a healthy person" (or some such)

We focus on the zionist criminals (the bad)

The principles focus on the good solutions

here is another example

there are no drug laws in the consitution

The DEA who puts folks in prison for running drugs would be out of business
The CIA who is running drugs would be out of business

you see?

this is not feel good nonsense, its just the constitution, but it solves most of the problems

RP has a 20+ year voting record that follows the constitution

if he is an actor or getting paid, he deserves about 12 oscars/academy awards

[scorpio]

if he is an actor or getting paid, he deserves about 12 oscars/academy awards

Yes, he is a very good performer, as is his friend Alex Jones.
He is a fraud and the FACT that he is a 33rd degree mason, makes anything he does highly suspicious.
Academy awards for both of them.  

[Ognir]

When you see RP for what he is, then you kinda know where you are but you have to get over him, he's let us down several times and that's the pattern.

[Large Sarge]

When you see RP for what he is, then you kinda know where you are but you have to get over him, he's let us down several times and that's the pattern.

depends what you expect of him?

did he ever vote against the constitution?

an american citizen gets 3 votes

1. the ballot box (going away fast thanks to diebold)
2. the grand jury (refusing to indict on any uncontitutional laws that were broken "drugs, taxes, etc")
3. Jury Trial (jury nullification)

we all sit here and say "Obama is a puppet for the zionists"

"he has no real power"

etc

How much would we expect RP to do really? (aside from taking a bullet for telling the truth)

The Congress was supposed to be the most powerful branch (the peoples house)


He votes with the constitution, and he advocates people learn it themselves.

[Rockclimber]

there are times when the right thing to do, is to 'fall on the sword'.

as an elected Rep., Ron Paul has the power to do a complete 2 hour press conference telling the truth about 9-11.  it might blow away his political career; that's what i mean by "fall on the sword".

he also has some ability to protect himself from Zionist flak.  not infinite ability, but some ability.

the question is, how can Ron Paul best serve his country, by being silent or by speaking out ?

i say, let him join with Cynthia McKinney and tell the truth about 9-11.

right now, the US virtually has no government.  it's like the United States of Israel.  most of the elected reps. are terrified - and playing along.  that's not leadership.

Ron Paul has shown a small amount of leadership.  the people of the US - and the world - need for him to show a LOT MORE leadership.

simply by telling the truth about 9-11.

also, miracles do happen.  Ron Paul could be re-elected after telling the truth about 9-11.

we - citizens of the US - have already lost our nation.  not much to lose.  why not tell the truth ?

Ron Paul needs to learn to fight ghetto-style - as if he had nothing to lose.

he'd have 20 million new best friends.  admittedly, 100 of them might be Mossad agents.

Jim Willie reaches a few thousand subscribers, and they were after him with a vengeance

RP reaches millions on the presidential campaign (what is the outcome?) (I figure they would kill him)

pretty easy to say "fall on your sword" safely from the sidelines

and again you do not follow things out, I already played the "What if" game, most americans are ignorant of the role/nature of govt, so even if you rounded up the crime gang, you would still have the same govt in place (and a new crime gang starting over)

First of all nobody is going to kill Ron Paul as long as he keeps talking. He has taken on the biggest players in the game--the Fed (and the international bankers indirectly) and he is still alive today. He has an angry following so I believe the powers to be know this will dare not go there. If I had to guess, revolution is on the horizon anyway.  The problem for me personally is that if he wants to attract more followers, especially those grass roots types that supported him, he has to speak straight-no more BS. At a minimum he should denounce freemasonry-perhaps not in Fox News setting but on alternative radio to remove the doubt that many have about his being one (which is a fact, ask scorpio for more details). He should take a more definitive position on 9-11 since we all know that the evidence to prove 9-11 was an 'outside job' is OVERWHELMING. The science and facts are on our side so he can't play chicken little on this issue anymore and it should come into the light by somebody of his caliber. I'm GUESSING he knows damn good and well who the neoconservatives are and I would hope he would define them as well. I agree with the 'fall on the sword' statement. It's time that someone with credibility (perceived) starts  to put themselves out there and speak openly and bring these issues to the forefront. Repetition is key. It's time for him to stop being a POLY TICian. I have high expectations so sue me And why? Because I'm quite frankly sick of the bullshit and games.

I am a silver guy so in short I would support it over a gold standard. The gold market is being manipulated by the international bankers and so would the silver market if it became 'king'. The problem really is to root out the IB's, than return to sound money and avoid systems of credit. But I am a novice when it comes to economics, trust  me on that. Screw fiat money, whatever it takes to get back to sound money, I support it.

[Large Sarge]

Look unless I see something highly provocative, this is my final post on this

RP takes an oath of office every 2 years "I swear to uphold the constitution" (etc)

that is his job title

thats what he is paid to do


his voting record for 20+ years follows the consitution

He never took an oath of office to be the 9/11 spokeperson, or confront zionism, etc

I already addressed how the constitution solves almost all the problems we face today

so really folks you hire a trashman to come every thursday morning, collect your garbabe (thats what his contract states, and what he is paid for)
He does a great job at that, he is on time, does not leave trash by the curb, etc

yet you want him out there watering your shrubs, or walking your dog also, and you get upset when he is not doing those things...

oh and for the record, it does not really matter if he is a 33rd degree mason, as long as he follows the constitution.

we could have an entirely jewish congress, and if they followed the constitution, it would be ok

[scorpio]

yet you want him out there watering your shrubs, or walking your dog also, and you get upset when he is not doing those things...

oh and for the record, it does not really matter if he is a 33rd degree mason, as long as he follows the constitution.

we could have an entirely jewish congress, and if they followed the constitution, it would be ok

You are really reaching now.
He is obviously your hero and you don't want to let go of that.
It does matter quite a bit if he is a 33rd degree mason. You should study the
history of Freemasonry and you may come to a different conclusion.
Secrecy and deception are two of the hallmark traits of Freemasonry, which is JEWISH CONTROLLED.
You don't find it suspicious that Alex Jones is constantly pushing him??

[Rockclimber]

you yet you want him out there watering your shrubs, or walking your dog also, and you get upset when he is not doing those things...

oh and for the record, it does not really matter if he is a 33rd degree mason, as long as he follows the constitution.

If knowingly covering up treason, dual citizenship, lying, deception etc are what you consider 'watering the shrubs', or 'walking than dog', than yes, I want him to be the best fucking gardner and dog walker there is. You see, those things are also covered under the Constitution

we could have an entirely jewish congress, and if they followed the constitution, it would be ok

And the reality of that is? Once again, Ron Paul shares the burden of exposing these evils. The  zionists are not going to relinquish there current power; we have been highly infiltrated by a parasite. Furthermore, you can't expect results and a return to the Constitution without revealing the problems.

Go water that bush, and walk those dogs RP, you wanted the job, now go and get er done

[Large Sarge]

you yet you want him out there watering your shrubs, or walking your dog also, and you get upset when he is not doing those things...

oh and for the record, it does not really matter if he is a 33rd degree mason, as long as he follows the constitution.

If knowingly covering up treason, dual citizenship, lying, deception etc are what you consider 'watering the shrubs', or 'walking than dog', than yes, I want him to be the best fucking gardner and dog walker there is. You see, those things are also covered under the Constitution

we could have an entirely jewish congress, and if they followed the constitution, it would be ok

And the reality of that is? Once again, Ron Paul shares the burden of exposing these evils. The  zionists are not going to relinquish there current power; we have been highly infiltrated by a parasite. Furthermore, you can't expect results and a return to the Constitution without revealing the problems.

Go water that bush, and walk those dogs RP, you wanted the job, now go and get er done

try again

offering a bounty for Osama and friends to bring them to trial, voting no on the patriot act, voting no on illegal immoral invasions, etc

he follows the constitution

and he is one vote out of 435

RP is not the problem folks, its the 434 other congress critters

the consitution solves 99% of the problems (including zionism)

i.e. no foreign aid for anyone (including Israel)

a sound money system (bi metallic)

[Large Sarge]

CPAC Straw Poll Winner Ron Paul Miserable on Israel
David Streeter — February 22, 2010 – 2:14 pm | Israel | Republicans Comments (36) Add a comment


At this weekend's Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) gathering in Washington, Texas Representative Ron Paul took the clear lead in a straw poll expressing a preference for a GOP 2012 presidential candidate. Paul's 31% showing—based on more than 3,000 votes cast—bested former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, and dramatically outstripped former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty and others. Echoing other media reports, Politico noted that the famous straw poll had been "thought to offer a window into which White House hopefuls were favored by movement conservatives."

 

Rep. Paul has been widely seen to have a miserable record on Israel, both in Congress and in public statements. During the 2008 campaign, a Haaretz article quoted Paul as saying, "The assumption is that AIPAC is in control of things, and they control the votes, and they get everybody to vote against anything that would diminish the [Iraq] war." The same article repeated his preference for the cessation of all U.S. aid to Israel, noting that when it comes to the U.S., "Israel doesn't really 'need us.'" On his own website, he noted that "Palestinians are confined to a 'concentration camp'" during the Gaza conflict in January, 2009. In Congress, Paul voted "no" on Iran sanctions legislation; he also voted against recognizing Israel's 61st anniversary and the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty, and he has consistently opposed U.S.-led peace efforts in the region. Ron Paul's newsletters over the decades have been riddled with racist and anti-gay writings as well.

 

"Conservatives have come together at their preeminent annual gathering, and they've said clearly and loudly who they most want to see as their standard-bearer in 2012 – and to say that person has a horrendous record on Israel and other issues of Jewish concern is a wild understatement," said National Jewish Democratic Council President David A. Harris. "Ron Paul is a man who misses no opportunity in Congress to vote against the U.S.-Israel relationship, but his record goes much deeper than that. From his unacceptable statements about Gaza, to the Ron Paul newsletter wondering aloud if the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was perpetrated by Israel, Paul is beyond the pale.

 

"The fact that the hearts and souls of the conservative movement have a clearly expressed preference for Ron Paul as their 2012 candidate demonstrates yet again the vast and growing chasm between the American Jewish community and the Republican, conservative movement," Harris added.

Comments

[rodin]

Sarge me old mucker

If you recall back in the Goy is Money days I posted on the blatant vote fraud in the primaries. This could have been exposed by knocking on the doors of a representative number of the constituents and asking them which way they voted. No takers.

The only voting system that will work is one where people put their names to their vote - published for all to see.

Paul is very good but no-one is allowed on TV if they are not asleeple, compromised or on the inside.

We get around MSM gatekeeping on the net, accessing information (while we can). But many, many more are enticed by the net into porn and other spiritual dead ends, and this suits the Sanhedrin of Satan. Plus of course they have IPs and addresses, a necessary precursor to a selective killing spree - or of course retrospectively charging people with 'hate crime'.

Jim Willie is the real deal, always was.

best to you n yours

r

[Large Sarge]

Hi Rodin,

great to see you popping up at one of my favorite watering holes.

yes I agree Jim Willie is the real deal, always has been

my only point with RP is that if you followed his principles, the crime gang becomes pretty harmless

and yes you are right on the primaries, a lot of evidence RP won new hampshir eprimary, and had it stolen from him

the pathetic thing is aside from Jim Condit and a few others, no one put up a fight