Michael Collins Piper Discussion

[MikeWB]

I've been PMing with few people on here about the latest MCP revelations and I think we should discuss some of them in here. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to this thread Michael Collins Piper Audio Shows and download shows from 03 Mar 2010 and 04 Mar 2010.

Both of these shows are very bizarre and totally irrelevant to what MCP's show has been about... namely: Zionism and its influence on the World.  In these two shows, MCP comes off as a crank and I'm afraid that those who disagree with his anti-Zionism views will use them against him. It seems to me that MCP has now joined the cadre of conspiracy radio show hosts who mix reality with fiction and nonsense (people like Rense, Noory, etc).

What has happened to MCP? Has anyone gotten to him? Have they slipped him something or is he destroying his credibility out of his own volition? Is he losing his marbles?

What does TiU think?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I've been PMing with few people on here about the latest MCP revelations and I think we should discuss some of them in here. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to this thread Michael Collins Piper Audio Shows and download shows from 03 Mar 2010 and 04 Mar 2010.

Both of these shows are very bizarre and totally irrelevant to what MCP's show has been about... namely: Zionism and its influence on the World.  In these two shows, MCP comes off as a crank and I'm afraid that those who disagree with his anti-Zionism views will use them against him. It seems to me that MCP has now joined the cadre of conspiracy radio show hosts who mix reality with fiction and nonsense (people like Rense, Noory, etc).

What has happened to MCP? Has anyone gotten to him? Have they slipped him something or is he destroying his credibility out of his own volition? Is he losing his marbles?

What does TiU think?

This first thing that came to mind when hearing this... was this:
"Is MCP trying to set the stage to rehabilitate the image of a 'Cross-Dressing/Reptilian propagating' David Icke for some strange reason? "  I don't know why MCP would want to tarnish his credible reputation by going in this direction but maybe he's been talking with Icke and may want to invite him on RBS? He would have to prep people to accept the current, "Brain toasted" on Amazonian Toad Hallucinogenics, Miss Icke.    

I know it is an "out-there" kind of thought but that's the only thing I could think of after listening to this past week's shows. He's laying the groundwork to allow the introduction of "something" that might be currently tarnished in the movement by association with the whole "Reptilian" thing. Maybe it's Icke or Pidcock, and MCP is just trying to "pad" the intro of that somebody.     :shock:

[joeblow]

I myself do not find those shows all that shocking. What is the big deal with Piper discussing some spiritual events that have occurred in his life? If the point of this thread is that our common enemies might use it as ammunition, then I believe that there are tons of other things they could use or they could just make up stuff  (it would not be the first time). Anyone who is a regular listener to Piper has heard him mention his "special sense" before.

P.S.

Would not this thread be more appropriately moved to Off Topic?

[MikeWB]

This first thing that came to mind when hearing this... was this:
"Is MCP trying to set the stage to rehabilitate the image of a 'Cross-Dressing/Reptilian propagating' David Icke for some strange reason? "  I don't know why MCP would want to tarnish his credible reputation by going in this direction but maybe he's been talking with Icke and may want to invite him on RBS? He would have to prep people to accept the current, "Brain toasted" on Amazonian Toad Hallucinogenics, Miss Icke.    

I know it is an "out-there" kind of thought but that's the only thing I could think of after listening to this past week's shows. He's laying the groundwork to allow the introduction of "something" that might be currently tarnished in the movement by association with the whole "Reptilian" thing. Maybe it's Icke or Pidcock, and MCP is just trying to "pad" the intro of that somebody.     :shock:

Could be. Your guess is good as any. All that talk about people changing faces, rocks in his underwear, angels sitting on his shoulder, CIA/Mossad agents "training" on him and him "detecting" them... just nutty.

I'm saddened that he's decided to go down this road and give ammunition to his detractors who will now use this to discredit all the fine investigative work that he's' done. I'm quite sure that his future work will be criticized not based on its merit but on these revelations.

Joe, leave it here.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This kind of brings up the whole money making issue in this "alternative" media as well.  

It seems that shows and personalities that give a little lip service to the "mystico-spiritual side" seem to get a lot more $$ at the end of the advertising month (Noory, Rense, etc.).  Maybe MCP is making an appeal to widen the audience with these types of musings?   I think at the end of the month when the bills come due, people might start playing for the "crowd" a bit more and not just focus solely on reportable facts.  It may be for purely Marketing reasons as well.  If they want to really grow, they might be making an effort to attract a different listening segment to the show by introducing these types of "spirit" stories?? Who knows but it out of character for MCP.  Personally, it doesn't bother me too much.

[LordLindsey]

What in the Hell is wrong for a man to come-clean with his SPIRITUAL BELIEFS?  Hindus run-around worshipping Blue gods, devout Catholics and other Christians tack themselves to crosses with nails pounded through their bodies to signify their devotion to Jesus, American Indians pierce huge hooks through their skin and fly-around in the air to get closer to God, and on and on and on and on, and you want to sit there in judgement of a man who openly discusses his spiritual beliefs and EXPERIENCES?  I have had experiences that were absolutely true, but because of the way that a man held in such high-esteem as Mike Piper is ridiculed, I will keep them to myself.

I know how it looks to some people, but Mike is expressing the importance of the spiritual world to the machinations of "THIS" world, and that is EXACTLY what religion by-right dictates REAL "REALITY" is.

LINDSEY

[MikeWB]

Those are not spiritual beliefs.

[mgt23]

he was on about hitler not being a zio and a psychic woman babbling shit....i dont want Final Judgement being discredited. Like it or not sometimes its not someone havinga divine experience but someone who is just talking shit.

[Rockclimber]

He sounded batshit crazy to me. A mans who's face was shape shifting, psychic connections, hell he's good and ready for a Rense or Coast to Coast interview...

He's should stick to exposing zionism

[scorpio]

Those of you who are atheist should not knock other people's spiritual experiences.
Atheism is a belief system as well, since NONE of us know for sure what awaits us beyond this life.
This isn't a big deal to me, unless Piper starts making it a regular part of his show, which I SERIOUSLY DOUBT will happen.
From what I have observed about Piper's show, he kinda just talks about whatever is on his mind at the moment.
Give him a break guys....We all get in a strange mood once in a while.  :ugeek:
Maybe he had a drink or two before those shows   ....and so what if he did. I like a nice cocktail from time to time  :shock:

[Rockclimber]

Hell as long as everyone is being honest, why aren't there any comments on the Texe Marrs thread?    I sense a bit of silence...

Personally, I'm spiritual, just not in that way. It's my humble opinion that he should stick to zionist issues. If I told you I had seen a sasquatch would you say I'm a bit odd? Probably!  He's starting to give me the feeling that he has special powers and that's reminiscent of some other 'special' people we know. It personally just rubbed me the wrong way and he also said one day he would write a book about his experiences such as the aforementioned. I don't know, sounds like he may have some credibility issues if he does.

Mike Wb...refresh my memory, didn't Piper say that angel's sit on his shoulders?

In any event, Piper will be discussing this further on his show.

[MikeWB]

Mike Wb...refresh my memory, didn't Piper say that angel's sit on his shoulders?

Sure did. So how exactly is this a "spiritual experience"? How many religious people claim to have seen angels on their shoulders, have been guided by them, have psychic abilities and so on? This is not religion or spirituality. I'm sure that if you went to a priest with this story, he's think you're nuts.

[Rockclimber]

Mike Wb...refresh my memory, didn't Piper say that angel's sit on his shoulders?

Sure did. So how exactly is this a "spiritual experience"? How many religious people claim to have seen angels on their shoulders, have been guided by them, have psychic abilities and so on? This is not religion or spirituality. I'm sure that if you went to a priest with this story, he's think you're nuts.

I agree. Listen, our 'guys' are not above reproach either. And as I said in the Texe Marrs thread, give me both barrells because I'm a man and I can take my lumps too. I have been humbled more times than I can count and I'm sure it will continue

[Christopher Marlowe]

I just listened to the Piper psychic stories and he's onto the caller part of the show.

That's it? You think Piper is nuts because he gets hunches and dreams? I've had this stuff happen many times. I've dreamed things would happen before they happened. I've had feelings that people far away were sick without seeing them and before they were diagnosed.

If I remember correctly, Joseph Campbell said that the sum total of all mythologies of all the cultures is this: That there is a spiritual world which supports this world.  This makes me believe that this sort of experience is universal, and these sorts of things have been happening to people of all cultures and religions throughout all of time.

[/tab]

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Is too early to say, I don't believe MCP is gonna continue in this same track in the future, but about what already been said by him, I see it kind of a natural development of MCP following in his hero's footsteps  : The Way in the Occult



Here [Munich] Hitler also met Dietrich Eckart, one of the early founders of the party and member of the esoteric Thule Society. Eckart was a major influence on Hitler, who he later payed tribute to him in the second volume of Mein Kampf.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

The Thule Society
was a German occultist and völkisch group in Munich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

Dietrich Eckart

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Eckart

Rudolf Von Sebottendorf
He was a Freemason and a practitioner of meditation, astrology, numerology, and alchemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_Sebottendorf




But it was not just the Thule Society that gave Hitler the support he needed to become the leader of the German government. There were additional sources of Hitler's strength. One who offered an explanation of Hitler's easy rise to power was Walter Langer, a noted psychoanalyst. Langer wrote in his book The Mind of Adolph Hitler that it was his theory that Hitler was himself one-quarter Jewish and the grandson of a Rothschild.

He wrote:

There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree. Adolph's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was Johann Georg Hiedler.... Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to Hitler.

A peculiar series of events, prior to Hitler's birth, furnishes plenty of food for speculation.

There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_thule04.htm

This is Important

Emil Maurice

 Emil Maurice [A Jew] 1897–1972( !)  (seen in the photos below)

In 1925, two years after the failed Beer Hall Putsch, Maurice and Hitler refounded the Stabswache as the Stosstrupp Adolf Hitler which was renamed, later that year, as the Schutzstaffel (SS). At that time, Hitler became SS Member nr. 1 and Emil Maurice became SS Member nr. 2. He reportedly had a brief relationship with Geli Raubal, Hitler's niece.
While Maurice never became a top commander of the SS his status as SS Member #2 effectively credited him as the actual founder of the organization. Heinrich Himmler, who ultimately would become the most recognized leader of the SS, held SS Member #168.

After Himmler had become Reichsführer-SS, Maurice fell fowl to Himmler's racial purity rules for SS officers, when he had to submit details of his family history before he was allowed to marry. All SS officers had to prove racial purity back to 1750, and it turned out that Maurice had Jewish ancestory. Himmler, who had always been jealous of Hitler's close friends from the early days of the Party, and especially of the lack of control he had over Hitler's inner bodyguards, was delighted.

He recommended that Maurice be expelled from the SS, along with other members of his family. To Himmler's annoyance however, the Führer stood by his old friend. In a secret letter written on the 31.8.1935, Hitler compelled Himmler to make an exception for Maurice and his brothers, who were allowed to stay in the SS. Despite his Jewish ancestory, and his relationship with Hitler's niece, Geli Rabaul, Maurice was first and foremost a loyal companion to the Führer, and Hitler would not forget that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

So, everybody got ultimately in prision but Emil Maurice managed to escape ?  Maybe nobody was looking after him ? The Founder of  THE Waffen SS ? What a travesty ! Or a crypto party as usual?





http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=Emil%20Maurice&aql=&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi


BOTTOMLINE :  MCP always had a blind Eye [Very extrange] - not seeing the City of London connections and the Zion Elites financing those puppets, sadly but true, MCP always had flirt with Nazism without (?)  understanding the similitudes between it and Talmudism :





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[Chargeemquick]

This kind of brings up the whole money making issue in this "alternative" media as well.  

It seems that shows and personalities that give a little lip service to the "mystico-spiritual side" seem to get a lot more $$ at the end of the advertising month (Noory, Rense, etc.).

I`d really hate it if this is the case,but Piper did mention that every time he mentions this spiritual stuff he gets a load of "supportive" fanmail(and donations?).

I`ve only been listening to his shows regularly for a couple of months,but even so,I`ve got a sinking feeling it`s starting to go South now.

Please prove me wrong MCP.

[Ognir]

I haven't heard any Piper audios in a while, will check them out when I get a chance

[mgt23]

great post tab we should have Hitler was a zio debate with MCP

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.

and in my book the faintest whiff of this and hitler was guilty. the fact that he was at the same school as wittgenstein takes the cake.

[Rockclimber]

I just listened to the Piper psychic stories and he's onto the caller part of the show.

That's it? You think Piper is nuts because he gets hunches and dreams? I've had this stuff happen many times. I've dreamed things would happen before they happened. I've had feelings that people far away were sick without seeing them and before they were diagnosed.

If I remember correctly, Joseph Campbell said that the sum total of all mythologies of all the cultures is this: That there is a spiritual world which supports this world.  This makes me believe that this sort of experience is universal, and these sorts of things have been happening to people of all cultures and religions throughout all of time.

When you combine that with the face shifting (or melting) combined with angels sitting on his shoulders, and premonitions, yes I will say it sounded a bit crazy to me.  

Consider his great works, and than add the book he will be writing about these experiences. Too each his own I guess but it still sounds crazy to me.

I just think people have wild imaginations, or just maybe somebody slipped a hit of acid in his drink that day.   :lol:

Furthermore, when you consider some of the ridiculous statements and actions of others such as Shayler or Morgan Reynolds, it's my belief that several people have been compromised in this movement. Piper has a long list of enemies and I'm sure their digging, and you know who THEY are. This could explain others actions who are silent on certain issues. Death threats or prison penalties can do those kinds of things, but I'm not emphatically implying as much, I just offer it up as food for thought.

Personally this doesn't mean I intend to stop listening to the guy or that I dislike him in any way and I will continue to post his files of course. I think he's a very good man with very good info, but at the same time I see nothing wrong with having this discussion, in fact it sounded like he was hoping it would generate a response.

[MikeWB]

No, Hitler and whether he had some jewish blood is a joke and you should know that! Seriously, get Hitler off this site. He's totally irrelevant and is just a giant distraction that ADL uses to discredit people and movements. We've already lost a lot of people on this site because they feel like we're White Nation/Neo-Nazi  site.  It's hard enough to use the word "Jew" in a civilized way and the last thing we need here is Hitler worship.  Go on Stormfront and discuss Hitler with all the ADL agents there all you want. That post will also be gone unless you edit Hitler shit out.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Funny that the faux anti-Judaics on this forum are making a fuss over Michael Collins Piper demonstrating the slightest of spiritual perspective. Like the Jews, they would prefer that we only think and conduct ourselves using the basic physical senses. Obviously, by living in such a primitive state we become easier controlled and are more easily exploited. Furthermore, opening up that can of worms would eventually show the true spiritual nature behind the Jewish plot. This is a threat to their "Zionism is only political" hogwash.

[abduLMaria]

That's it? You think Piper is nuts because he gets hunches and dreams? I've had this stuff happen many times. I've dreamed things would happen before they happened. I've had feelings that people far away were sick without seeing them and before they were diagnosed.

once i bailed out of a skin dive - after hours of preparation - because i felt "scared".

pretty wimpy.  been diving all my life, but when i got in the water that day i just got so scared.

so i swam near shore for a while, then got out.

a few days later, there was an article in the local paper about a lobster fisherman seeing a great white feeding 1/4 mile east of the kelp beds where i was originally headed towards that day.  just ripping apart a mother seal, baby seals floating in the water.  the event happened about 3 days before my own dive.

so - what did i experience ?  coincidental laziness ?  taste of blood in the water ?  odd ability of humans to sense the fear of seals  ?

a year later i met another swimmer who aborted a surf in the same time-frame in the same area.  for the same reason.

so i guess that makes us the Koo-koo Crazy Shark Premonition people.

in Western society, human beings are taught that they have only 5 senses.  but there might be more to it.

[mgt23]

hunchs are not divine intervention but maybe intuition. Not being funny but if someone says they are hearing voices in their head i immediaetly don my skeptics hat and say prove it........and even if true ask for what infomational value is this beyond YOUR personal experience. How is talk like this on RBN going to appeal to a mainstream anti-zio audience? This is not the dark ages.......

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

hunchs are not divine intervention but maybe intuition. Not being funny but if someone says they are hearing voices in their head i immediaetly don my skeptics hat and say prove it........and even if true ask for what infomational value is this beyond YOUR personal experience. How is talk like this on RBN going to appeal to a mainstream anti-zio audience? This is not the dark ages.......

Truth over appeal.

[mgt23]

YOUR Truth. Not the truth of the movement.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

hunchs are not divine intervention but maybe intuition. Not being funny but if someone says they are hearing voices in their head i immediaetly don my skeptics hat and say prove it........and even if true ask for what infomational value is this beyond YOUR personal experience. How is talk like this on RBN going to appeal to a mainstream anti-zio audience? This is not the dark ages.......

Keep in mind:

Miraculous

Adolf has few friends on the Western Front. That is not only due to his unpleasant character. Almost all friends die in action - while Adolf again and again miraculously escapes from death.


After the war he told G. Ward Price, an English reporter, how once he was eating his dinner with his comrades in a trench. "Suddenly a voice seemed to be saying to me, 'Get up and go over there.' It was so clear and insistent that I obeyed automatically, as if it had been a military order. I rose at once to my feet and walked twenty yards along the trench, carrying my dinner in its tin can with me. Then I sat down to go on eating, my mind being once more at rest. Hardly had I done so when a flash and deafening report came from the part of the trench I had just left. A stray shell had burst over the group in which I had been sitting, and every member of it was killed."

World War I

From all his friends finally only Fuchsl, little fox, remains. The small white terrier, apparently the mascot of English soldiers, had been chasing a rat in No Man's Land. The dog had jumped into a German trench, where Adolf had caught him - and kept him.


From that moment on Fuchsl never leaves Adolfs side. "I can look at him like I look at a human being", he writes. When the orderly takes his diner the dog sits beside him. "I am crazy about him."

Hitler and two of his front-comrades have their photograph taken. Adolf insists on having Fuchsl at his feet.

In October 1916 Adolf runs out of luck. The massacre at the Somme is still going on. The allies keep on attacking. In three months time they have lost 600,000 men: completely in vain, because the German lines hold.

In the night of 7 October Hitler sleeps in a new tunnel that runs to the regimental headquarters. A British shell hits and Adolf gets a fragment in a leg. "How bad is it? I don't have to go, have I?", he anxiously asks his lieutenant. But after a glance at the soldiers leg, the lieutenant orders a hospital-orderly to carry Hitler away.

http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Hitler%20wwI.htm

[mgt23]

yeh he was a messenger runner for one and it just appears to be so so so so so odd that a profession where the life expectancy of a messenger runner i believe is three months that he lasted so long. I dont think it was divine intervention at all. Think about it..... Maria Anna Shicklgruber is a housemaid to Rothschild....wtf guilty guilty guilty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

While he was in Ireland, Germany annexed Austria in the Anschluss; the Viennese Wittgenstein was now a citizen of the enlarged Germany and a Jew under its racial laws. He found this intolerable and started to investigate the possibilities of acquiring British or Irish citizenship with the help of Keynes, but this put his siblings Hermine, Helene and Paul, all still living in Austria, in considerable danger. Wittgenstein's first thought was to travel to Vienna, but he was dissuaded by friends. Had the Wittgensteins been classified as Jews, their fate would have been the same as other Austrian Jews, only a minority of whom survived the war.[46]  Their only hope was to be classified as Mischlinge: Aryan/Jewish crossbreeds, whose treatment, while harsh, was less brutal than that reserved for Jews. This reclassification was known as a "Befreiung". The successful conclusion of these negotiations required the personal approval of Adolf Hitler. "The figures show how difficult it was to gain a Befreiung. In 1939 there were 2,100 applications for a different racial classification: the Führer allowed only twelve  Edmonds and Eidinow, pp. 98, 105."

 Mike i feel its not so irrelevant when you consider racists like Nick Griffin of the BNP who has changed the manifesto to Pro Israel. Although I can understand why noobs might take a cursory glance and jump to that conclusion. I personally despise any nazi but im not a popularist i just want to know the facts and if it ever crops up in topic profer my own opinion.

[Christopher Marlowe]

hunchs are not divine intervention but maybe intuition.

In the immortal words of mgt23: "prove it".  At this point I think it is a matter of what a person believes that will color the source of these hunches.  Someone who doesn't believe in a Creator God will say that it is intuition. Someone who believes in God will say it is angels, saints or God Himself. Can it be proven?  Hardly. The person experiencing such a phenomena can hardly understand what they are experiencing. It is not rational. If it were rational it would not strike one as odd or interesting, but merely logical. e.g. if Abdul Maria had SEEN a big-ass shark, then deciding not to go for a dive that day wouldn't be odd. It would be logical.

After discovering that there was a REAL DANGER, unseen, and unknowable, then a Christian might say: "It was Jesus that saved me."
A Catholic might say: "It was the Blessed Virgin..."
An Irish person might say: "It was a fairee, with two e's, sure and begorrah."
And the agnostic person might say: "It was intuition.....  It only LOOKED like the Blessed Virgin."  

Not being funny but if someone says they are hearing voices in their head i immediaetly don my skeptics hat and say prove it........and even if true ask for what infomational value is this beyond YOUR personal experience.

If a person is in court testifying as a witness, unless he is an Expert Witness, his personal experience would be the limit of his testimony:

Fed. Rules of Evidence Rule 602: A W may not testify to a matter unless evidence is introduced sufficient to support a finding that the W has personal knowledge of the matter....

We mistake our own truths for THE TRUTH all the time. I believe there is an external reality. We all perceive it imperfectly, but that doesn't make reality change.  My perception of reality is all I can attest to.  

But I say to you not to swear at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God: Nor by the earth, for it is his footstool: nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king: Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil

How is talk like this on RBN going to appeal to a mainstream anti-zio audience? This is not the dark ages.......

What does a mainstream anti-zio audience look like? Are they young or old? Agnostic? Religious? All we can do is speak our own truth. Should I change my truth for who I think my listeners are?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

YOUR Truth. Not the truth of the movement.

Anyone who discourages spirituality is helping the Jewish cause. How? By aiding their ploy to promote all the pleasures of the physical senses as if they are end in themselves. This carnally and primitive minded society is easily controlled and directed by the Jews as is outlined in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Only the spiritually enlightened can discover the true cause of the Jewish question and not just the fairly obvious Zionist political aims.

[mgt23]

Anyone who discourages spirituality is helping the Jewish cause.

u sir are an idiot