Michael Collins Piper Discussion

[memory hole]

I haven't heard the show from the 4th yet, but I listened to the 3rd March show. To be honest I'm really surprised at the fuss its generated here!

So Mike had a strange experience that he can't explain. He obviously is a person who is sensitive to the spiritual realms.

Come on, he's hardly tuned into Icke with his tall tales of reptiles and 4th dimensional being being at the top of the pyramid. He even warned ya, that most people would think he was a crank.

He knew this tale would cause a reaction, and indeed it has.

I for one am not religious, and don't subscribe to any particular doctrine, but I am VERY aware of the spiritual world and the good and bad forces that dwell there.

I doubt very much the MCP is gonna change his track after many many years of truth telling and Zionism exposing to go down this route.

Take it for what it is, a strange unexplanble tale that he felt the need to tell his listeners.

Not everything can be explained via Jews and Zionism. SO i wouldn't panic just yet.

 :?

As a foot note for me personally learning about Jews and Zionsm and the horrors of world wars,corrput  banking and the like, kinda knocks the spirituallity out of you. TO much HARD FACT makes you think anything that cant be explained is bullshit or shillery in action.

[rodin]

I trust not one truther. I do my own analysis and research and I am aware that red herrings swim free.

For example - Bro Kapner has some great material on his site, and the comments are just as revealing if not more. Nevertheless he seems stuck on the idea Putin is a genuine orthodox Christian.

Someone made the observation that the most quoted Holocaust researchers appear to be Jewish.

Is there a spiritual side to life? Well I am a rationalist and I say yes. Jesus did a better job of calling it than any present day truther - he never put a foot wrong. If he was just a myth do you think He would be the subject of so much Jewish vitriol - as directed from the Sanhedrin down?

I see Judaism like a black hole - pretty hard to escape its gravity. Pity because some great souls are trapped there...

UK has just awarded a couple of the new Holocaust Heros medals I heard this morning on BBC MI5 live radio...

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Anyone who discourages spirituality is helping the Jewish cause.

u sir are an idiot

ad hominem

[MikeWB]

FWIW, MCP has read the email from TiU member on his show just a minute ago. Oh, and he's completely wrong about the writer of the email.

He then reveals another story about some evil presence in his room. He forgot to turn his heating on and he somehow says that this is work of demons.

[sue]

"Anyone who discourages spirituality is helping the Jewish cause.

I tend to agree with that statement.

[timfromga]

Michael Collins Piper is a good freedom fighter write great books and tell it how it really is so lets not start in fighting cause that what the jews want

[Rockclimber]

FWIW, MCP has read the email from TiU member on his show just a minute ago. Oh, and he's completely wrong about the writer of the email.

He then reveals another story about some evil presence in his room. He forgot to turn his heating on and he somehow says that this is work of demons.

He would be wrong to be certain

Stay the course MCP, stay the course

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I trust not one truther. I do my own analysis and research and I am aware that red herrings swim free.

For example - Bro Kapner has some great material on his site, and the comments are just as revealing if not more. Nevertheless he seems stuck on the idea Putin is a genuine orthodox Christian.

Someone made the observation that the most quoted Holocaust researchers appear to be Jewish.

Is there a spiritual side to life? Well I am a rationalist and I say yes. Jesus did a better job of calling it than any present day truther - he never put a foot wrong. If he was just a myth do you think He would be the subject of so much Jewish vitriol - as directed from the Sanhedrin down?

I see Judaism like a black hole - pretty hard to escape its gravity. Pity because some great souls are trapped there...

UK has just awarded a couple of the new Holocaust Heros medals I heard this morning on BBC MI5 live radio...

Judaism is first and foremost a religious conspiracy and secondly a political one.

The spiritual world is far more powerful than the physical world. The Jews are Satan's chosen people and they derive their deviancy and "power" from him.

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
-- Harold Rosenthal

[MikeWB]

"Anyone who discourages spirituality is helping the Jewish cause.

I tend to agree with that statement.

LOL... except that Jews use Christianity and practically OWN IT in the US.

We're not in a spiritual war here. It might be spiritual to you but it's not a spiritual war.

[MikeWB]

FWIW, MCP has read the email from TiU member on his show just a minute ago. Oh, and he's completely wrong about the writer of the email.

He then reveals another story about some evil presence in his room. He forgot to turn his heating on and he somehow says that this is work of demons.

He would be wrong to be certain

Stay the course MCP, stay the course

It won't be long before we hear a UFO story from MCP  :lol:

[Whaler]

I am a big fan of Piper but I couldn't help myself.  :lol:

[mgt23]

maybe hes a jesuit agent.....

[Christopher Marlowe]

When I was a young man I did not believe in God. When I heard that someone believed in God, I would challenge them. I would argue against people and try to shake their faith. I felt that I was doing them a favor because I thought that any belief in God was akin to belief in faeries.

So I understand where the non-believers are coming from.  AND it would be hypocritical for me to condemn them for their lack of faith.

When I got older, I had a strong spiritual experience and I could no longer deny the existence of God. I have gone on living my life and trying to grow closer to God. I don't want to put on that I am a saint. I am still a sinner, but I believe there is forgiveness in Jesus Christ. And I believe that I have to forgive others.  

This present discussion involves 2 sides: those who believe in a spiritual realm and those who do not. And as I say, I can identify with both sides.  

To extrapolate further, those who believe in the spiritual realm often feel that this struggle against zionism is merely the shadow of the greater struggle of the forces of Good against evil. God against satan.  Those who do not believe might think that discussions about the spiritual discredit the Truth movement.  They might feel that discussions of God and spirits will only divide the movement and drive people away from the truth.  

And there is nothing I can say here to RESOLVE this, but there are some thoughts we might keep in mind. There is an expression: "Agree to Disagree".  That is what friends do when they discover that they have reached a point of discussion on which they cannot agree. The Friends say: "My friend is Wrong. But I want to stay friends with my Friend.  This is not a Deal-Breaker.  I still agree with my Friend on 98% percent of stuff.  I could go off and find people who agree with me on this point, but they might agree with me on only 93% of other stuff.  Let's agree to disagree on this point."

At some point in my atheistic career, I came upon the word "agnostic", which means "not knowing".  Someone who is agnostic does not profess to believe or disbelieve in God. I started using that word to describe myself (before I came to believe) because I thought that my disbelief in God was certainly no more well founded than anyone's belief. I felt that stubbornly clinging to disbelief would be hypocritical in light of my attacks on other people's belief.  A true scientist, I felt, should keep an open mind.  

For truly we do not see everything in this world and the truth is often concealed. Plato talked about people in a cave seeing shadows on the wall. St. Paul referenced that passage when he wrote:

We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known.

Another example is the story of the blind men who find an elephant. The one feeling the legs say it is a tree. The one feeling the trunk says it is a snake.  But they are all feeling in the dark. It is beyond their power to see what is before them.

And so it is with us.  If I could PROVE the existence of God, I would. But that is not my power. God must make Himself known. But I don't wish to strive against my friends to make myself seem RIGHT. Truly I am no better than anyone.  God will make Himself known to whom God wishes to make Himself known.  

I would like to Agree to Disagree with my friends. We can go on feeling the elephant and telling each other what we are sensing. One day the lights will come on.

[mgt23]

im not an atheist....... Im an Agnostic Logical Positivist
see
http://www.deathflag.org/viewtopic.php? ... f03a6bae56

[Whaler]

I'm not really shocked or surprised at MCP's stories. It doesn't change my opinion of him. I hope he goes out on a limb more often. I would say that MCP is one of the biggest reasons for my awakening to Zionism so I hold a lot of well deserved respect for him.

[LordLindsey]

I am calling him tonight and I am going to be very direct with the concerns expressed here at TIU...

if he is on-air tonight.

LINDSEY

[Christopher Marlowe]

im not an atheist....... Im an Agnostic Logical Positivist
see
http://www.deathflag.org/viewtopic.php? ... f03a6bae56

Since Logical Positivism had already been shot down in the Vienna circle- ALP was the only conclusion.
So with this context your point of the evil genius is irrelevant, as the evil genius has to make sure he is not controlled by an evil/good genius and so on ad infinitum. The truth of ALP and the resulting inescapable solipsistic idealism is we can make no propositional claims whatsoever and is the one conclusion that Wittgenstein refuses to accept in Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. The Tractatus if it was to be "true" should have stayed a blank page.

For the layman analogy ALP states "at this moment i know not of any proposition that i can utter, including this one"

Fair enough.

[mgt23]

and lets just add the rest of that context...............

This was the implication of the failure of Poppers Falsificationism's inability to escape induction problems. For how could one verify that a falsification test was true without using verification methods to make sure the falsification claim wasn't a misreading of the data, as all scientific claims had to go through peer review and therefore reliant on phenomenal data(for this reason i claimed that solipsistic idealism was inescapable).

In conclusion ALP was an extremely simple idea with devastating results and i remember now the A J Ayer pupil that taught me he was called Mike Smithurst a gentlemen of the highest caliber and the best lecturer i have ever witnessed. He was in complete agreement with me, but never really addressed this fundamental issue which would destroy Wittgenstein's second philosophy of language. Maybe now you can see why Ray Monk hated me. I was in a way taking the Tractatus forward to its logical end more than Wittgenstein did and counterclaimed that if the Tractatus was blank(rather than trying to defend it) it would contain more truth than his second system.

This sounds crazy but i stuck to this position and came up with the evolutionary best guess argument; which would eventually lead to a Harmonist position of a consciousness of a mathematical omega phenomenal perspective.

In other words if someone held a gun to your head and you knew that you didnt know whether the bullet would leave the chamber and kill you, You would still believe it, because all scientific knowledge has a survival value which the Id(DNA instincts) forces you to deal with(Or someone who tested this would be dead). It is the accumulation of science through the driving force of warfare/death that forms this evolutionary best guess nexus of facts. This is of course personal knowledge only but if my kids were on the line(in the above gun to the head scenario) I'd choose my evolutionary best guess system anyday.

......back to the topic piper is making himself a target for enemy propaganda, designed to stop people who are not spiritual taking piper seriously.

[Christopher Marlowe]

back to the topic piper is making himself a target for enemy propaganda, designed to stop people who are not spiritual taking piper seriously.

Let's take a hypothetical example of an ALP person, who one day has a dream: In the dream ALP's friend is hit by a train.
ALP guy writes down this very vivid dream in his diary.
The next day ALP guy is walking down the street and looks up to see his friend get hit by a train.
ALP guy is shaken up. He goes home and checks his diary: the dream is still on the page, just as he had written earlier.
ALP guy then writes an addendum, noting all the ways in which his dream corresponded exactly with reality.  

Should ALP guy avoid discussing this very bizarre incident? He is telling the truth. He has taken some care to make sure that this was not all in his own imagination. It is an interesting story.
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Hypo #2: ALP guy does some 9/11 research and finds out that the attacks on that day were orchestrated by israelis and Jews having close ties to the government of israel.
ALP guy posts this information on the internet.
Later on ALP guy finds a book called "Lectures on the Holocaust" by Germar Rudolf. ALP reads that book and finds out that the "holocaust" is a big scam, and that all the physical evidence supports the theory that 6 million Jews DID NOT perish and that there were NO homicidal gas chambers.
ALP guy posts all this information on the internet on the same site as his 9/11 research.
ALP's friend writes him an email and suggests that ALP remove all the Jewish stuff because he doesn't want to offend them. "You are going to drive away people who aren't ready to hear about the holocaust."
Should ALP guy not post the holohoax information? He is telling the truth. He has taken care to see that his facts are in order. It is interesting.
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Hypo #3: Same story but with the Apollo Moon landings.
ALP's friend writes him an email and suggests that ALP remove all the Apollo stuff because it just sounds too whacky. "You are going to drive away people who aren't ready to hear about the Apollo Moon Landings."
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IMHO, there is always going to be a story that is true, but someone else wants to edit for some reason or another. We can only speak our truth.

[mgt23]

chris your hilarious. im going to buy you a pint one day.

......to answer your question he should hold as fact, if he believes the suggested editing adds nothing and the original hypothesis has personal survival value. If he guesses that it may have survival value for others and feels compelled to help his memetic nexus he should publish. i feel that going on about ghosts, facechanging (insert icke meme here) blah blah has no survival value for me or my social nexus and so im going to publish this comment anyway :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  sorry i just  couldnt help it.........

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

maybe hes a jesuit agent.....

Oh, here we go. Funny that the legitimate anti-Judaics don't seem to be giving it to MCP.

[mgt23]

Funny that the legitimate anti-Judaics don't seem to be giving it to MCP.

im going to sig this after you listen to last nights MCP show(Wed)

[VoltaXebec]

Great call to MCP's show Steve(mgt23), call in more often if you can  

[mgt23]

cheers.....thanks to piper and crew for having me on as well.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Great call monsieur gt.  I don't think Hitler was a zionist for these reasons:
1) He moved Germany off the banking system and took his country from rags to riches in 5 years; The banking system is the backbone of the zionist plot. Showing people the way to prosperity is not in the zionists' interest.

2)There is no paper trail showing a plan to kill the Jews; The fact that, not only was there not a plan, but there was no evidence of any orders shows that this holohoax was created completely from outside of Germany.  If Hitler was a secret zionist, then he would easily have been a party to create the holohoax myth. And if so, he would not have needed to actually kill Jews, but merely create an paper trail.

There was probably some financing of Hitler by the bankers. I don't know why Hitler didn't round up Warburg et al. But Hitler did create his own money.

I don't know why Hitler let the English go when he had them pinned down at Dunkirk. People theorize that Hitler thought England was not the enemy, and that he wanted to fight the Soviet Union. Sending Rudolf Hess to England with a peace plan revealed Hitler's motivation.

More likely than Hitler being a zionist agent, it seems more likely that Hitler underestimated the zionist control of the United States and England.  I don't think he understood the crappy press he was getting abroad.  I consider myself somewhat well educated, and I had been told many times about the editorial power of the press. But I had no idea of how locked down the information has been in this country.  The media gets ahead of the story and manipulates the public's ability to understand. This alters how the individual PERCEIVES the story. It is like putting a pair of glasses on every individual.  (A good example of this is: 1) MSM lead up to 9/11 booga booga on OBL; 2) KROLL bastard Jerome Hauer on television on 9/11 blaming OBL while we were looking at the WTC being destroyed. 3) MSM barrage of OBL post 9/11. Net result: Get OBL! Invade Afghanistan! Jokes on Letterman about wimpy weapons inspectors.)

Without getting too side-tracked, I didn't understand how much this country was controlled by the zionist media. I don't think Hitler did either. Ditto with England.

Another interesting point that Michael Piper made the other day was that Foxman wrote the introduction of the paperback version of "The Transfer Agreement".  So while that book may show zionist complicity in any scheme to build up israhell, the imprimatur of Foxman makes me think twice as far as its evidentiary value is concerned.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Regarding MGT's "genius" call in to The Piper Report.

Your first point to Piper was semantics and Piper agreed and has spoke of what you brought up about Jews only needing a majority to dominate things.

Second point on "was Hitler a Zionist (Jewish)" is a non-issue. The result would have been the same regardless of whether or not Hilter was a Zionist. Jews can use people whether they are willing or unwilling.

Regarding your third point, it doesn't matter if Jews are a race or not. It changes nothing. The important thing is what those calling themselves Jews are doing.

Saying the name Rothschild over and over again isn't impressing anyone, teaching anyone, or helping solve the problem mgt23. We heard that enough from the likes of Alex Jones and the Mossad-911 Truth posse. You mention "pure play." Is that accomplished  by not calling Jews what they are? How obfuscation is "pure play" is beyond me.

Local currency production is a great concept but implementing is quite another thing. MGT23, interesting that on this forum you have a loud bark but on the radio you sound very normal and in your place.

[mgt23]

1)point one was not semantics it was a relevant point on how 100% of policy is implemented with less than 100% zionist representation by a simple majority. AIPAC then notes the dissenters and uses deselection mid term. setting up point 2)......

2) Hitler was a zio is not a non issue as it highlights the collaboration of our supposed most hated enemy collaborating with our supposed most victimized chosen people. It is an effective propaganda point and shows how you are desperate to defend and maintain your concept of race regardless of the genetic arguments showing no people are separate from the human race. we are all one family and piper agreed do note. again you are a NAZI.

3)yes it is important to show whether they are a race or not to reach out to jews and break their brainwashing that they erroneously "choosen" solely on the basis of matriarchal lineage. You'd rather select them on racial and/or judaic lines and wipe them out. Jews can believe what they want secular or not, whats important to me is whether they are zionist or not and believe in the supremacy of israel and "jews" at the expense of gentiles.

4)i dont even understand your last point......talk sense. i named nm Rothschild london j Rothschild new york as the persons giving orders to obama on economic policy. Its important to name names as targets and drill it into people so they can be removed. If you dont cut off the head we will lose. You obviously dont and like hitler will just target lower and middle class jews. Your war is with judaism not zionism. This is why im convinced you are an agent.

pure play is about naming targets and you name non but a general population. now go away fool, you bore me

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

1)point one was not semantics it was a relevant point on how 100% of policy is implemented with less than 100% zionist representation by a simple majority. AIPAC then notes the dissenters and uses deselection mid term. setting up point 2)......

2) Hitler was a zio is not a non issue as it highlights the collaboration of our supposed most hated enemy collaborating with our supposed most victimized chosen people. It is an effective propaganda point and shows how you are desperate to defend and maintain your concept of race regardless of the genetic arguments showing no people are separate from the human race. we are all one family and piper agreed do note. again you are a NAZI.

3)yes it is important to show whether they are a race or not to reach out to jews and break their brainwashing that they erroneously "choosen" solely on the basis of matriarchal lineage. You'd rather select them on racial and/or judaic lines and wipe them out. Jews can believe what they want secular or not, whats important to me is whether they are zionist or not and believe in the supremacy of israel and "jews" at the expense of gentiles.

4)i dont even understand your last point......talk sense. i named nm Rothschild london j Rothschild new york as the persons giving orders to obama on economic policy. Its important to name names as targets and drill it into people so they can be removed. If you dont cut off the head we will lose. You obviously dont and like hitler will just target lower and middle class jews. Your war is with judaism not zionism. This is why im convinced you are an agent.

pure play is about naming targets and you name non but a general population. now go away fool, you bore me

True cointel uses the Nazi card as you continue to do with me. True cointel tries to remove Zionism from Judaism. True cointel tries to make himself appear wiser than others, all the while belittling and personally attacking those that disagree. You haven't impressed anyone and you certainly didn't catch Michael Piper off guard.

We all know of the Hegelian dialectic and we know that Nazism was set up as the controlled opposition to Bolshevism. Tell us something we don't know.

[mgt23]

Nazism was set up as the controlled opposition to Bolshevism.

sure i actually agree with that which is why i said Hitler was a collaborator supported by the Thule society initially. The reason i accuse anyone of being a nazi(and to be fair there is only one other on this board) is that they require a concept of race. I simply deny them that on the basis of current science whilst acknowledging differences from divergent  and insular gene pools. A concept of race is quite simply erroneous and unnecessary to the anti zionist argument and in Charles guliani's latest show who is pushing the more extreme anti judaic view he doesnt require it either.........as im sure he realises that just because the zionist jews believe in it doesnt mean to said one should or that it is necessary to carry an argument.

as far as coinintel goes you have no idea do you? quite simply no idea of what i have done for the fight..............

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Where's the Talmud in all of this???   :shock:

 CJB claims Hitler was Talmudic because he was vegetarian, yet Hitler's best friend, August Kubizek, claims Hitler was vegetarian because he lived nearly homeless in Vienna and couldn't afford to eat meat. Martin Borman, Hitler's Personal secretary (an atheist), was an agent for Stalin and sold out the Third Reich.

Hitler's last will and testament penned in the Bunker, blamed International Jewry for Bolshevism, WWI and WWII. Was it a joke?

Jewish?

THE TIRELESS SOCIALIST

Even Sebastian Haffner, a Jewish writer and fanatical Hitler hater, was forced to admit

Hitler had a fierce courage unmatched by anyone at the time or since.

Another Jew by the name of Karl Hanisch, who shared lodgings with Hitler, recalled him as

a pleasant and likeable man who took an interest in the welfare of all his companions.

 

He later recalled that his fellow lodger

was neither proud nor arrogant, and he was always available and willing to help. If someone needed fifty Hellers to pay for another night's lodging, Hitler would always give whatever he had in his pocket without another thought. On several occasions I personally saw him take the initiative and pass the hat for such a collection.

Hitler's war heroism is a matter of record and it was only when he entered politics, in a bid to stem his rising popularity, that is was ever questioned. Typically however detractors were forced to recant and pay damages. Historians have noted that Adolf Hitler was born poor and died poor. In fact he was the only statesman who never had a bank account.

Jewish, Jew Dupe or just cut-throat, no-holds-barred, vindictive Nationalist?

Remarque flees to America. He has already written two sequels to All quiet on the Western Front (The Road Back and Three Comrades) and other novels - and now he becomes even more productive.

 

In the United States Remarque becomes the hero of the pacifist movement - and of Hollywood, after a movie is made of Im Westen Nichts Neues. He has love-affaires with Marlene Dietrich  Greta Garbo and Paulette Goddard.

 

Safe and famous in America nothing can harm Remarque anymore.

 

That's why the Nazi's in 1943 snatch his sister Elfriede, who had stayed behind in Germany with her husband and two children. After a short trial she is found guilty of 'undermining morality'.

 

The verdict states verbatim that she is convicted, "as her brother is beyond our reach at this moment".

 

Elfriede is decapitated with an axe, this on a specific order by Adolf Hitler.

Hitler's Traitor: Martin Bormann and the Defeat Of the Reich Louis Kilzer Presidio Press 352 pages

Kilzer's aim is to solve a baffling riddle of World War II. Namely, how Adolf Hitler's military orders made their way to Joseph Stalin's headquarters almost immediately after being issued. He calls his mind-boggling investigation "a conspiracy in search of a theory." The winner of two Pulitzer Prizes and a George Polk Award, Kilzer is a crackerjack investigator, and he delivers a gripping, tree-to-life thriller. Historians have familiarized us with the British code-breaking successes that helped win World War II. But the "culture of treason" that surrounded Hitler